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User: "Pastor Frank"
Date: 27 May 2006 09:16:02 PM
Object: Re: Jesus on the subject of Pharisees and Scribes
Speaking below`is not the Jesus "meek and mild" which liberals like to
promote. Jesus had much to say to those who profess God, yet do the opposite
from what their God represents. These are Satan's minions, a quite numerous
contingent, considering the ratio elect to reprobates. See below
Pastor Frank
JESUS HOLDS FORTH RE: THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES
Jesus in Mt:23:13: But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in
yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore
ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make
him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
23: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay
tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have omitted the weightier matters
of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and
not to leave the other undone.
25: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make
clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full
of extortion and excess.
27: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are
like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are
within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
29: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye
build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the
righteous.
30: And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not
have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31: Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children
of them which killed the prophets.
32: Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33: Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the
damnation of hell?
34: Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and
scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall
ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of
Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36: Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this
generation.
37: O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest
them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children
together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would
not!
38: Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39: For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall
say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Jesus in Jn:8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of
your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode
not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
.

User: "Aaron"

Title: Re: Jesus the Pharisee 28 May 2006 07:48:11 PM
Despite Frank's hatred of Jews andhis redefinition anf
fictionalization of Jesus, Jesus is a Jew and a Pharisee.
A Pharisee was a Jew of any one of several schools of rabbinical
thought that held two theological beliefs. These two beliefs defins
Pharisaic Judaism. The first of these is the belief in an after-life
(Heaven or Hell). The second is the belief that each person is
responcible for his own actions and obliged to obey God. Jesus taught
these two beliefs.
There were widely divergent bel;iefs beyong these two. Beyt Shammai
focused on actions of obeying the Commandments. Beyt Hillel forcused
on how obedience to God's Commandments improves the person
spiritually. Jesus agreed with the Torah interpretations of Beyt
Hillel and even quoted Rabbi Hillel. readers of the Book of Acts,
will remember Rabban Gamliel the Elder did not denounce the
possibility that Jesus was the Messiah.
Frank also attacks the Scribes because some of them were part of the
saducees who did no believe in an afterlife and who did not believe
that any Messiah would ever come. For those not aware: Maimonides,
the codifier of Jewish (biblical) Law claimed that the Saducce's
theology was in direct opposition to the Torah and placed the Saducces
outside of Judaism. Maybe this is why God struck every Sadducee High
priest dead for entering the Holy of Holies without being worthy!?!
.
User: "Pastor Frank"

Title: Re: Jesus the Pharisee 29 May 2006 08:25:04 PM
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:lfgk72dokobagjkqsr0502kngmv21dvb3h@4ax.com...


Despite Frank's hatred of Jews andhis redefinition anf
fictionalization of Jesus, Jesus is a Jew and a Pharisee.
A Pharisee was a Jew of any one of several schools of rabbinical
thought that held two theological beliefs. These two beliefs defins
Pharisaic Judaism. The first of these is the belief in an after-life
(Heaven or Hell). The second is the belief that each person is
responcible for his own actions and obliged to obey God. Jesus taught
these two beliefs.
There were widely divergent bel;iefs beyong these two. Beyt Shammai
focused on actions of obeying the Commandments. Beyt Hillel forcused
on how obedience to God's Commandments improves the person
spiritually. Jesus agreed with the Torah interpretations of Beyt
Hillel and even quoted Rabbi Hillel. readers of the Book of Acts,
will remember Rabban Gamliel the Elder did not denounce the
possibility that Jesus was the Messiah.
Frank also attacks the Scribes because some of them were part of the
saducees who did no believe in an afterlife and who did not believe
that any Messiah would ever come. For those not aware: Maimonides,
the codifier of Jewish (biblical) Law claimed that the Saducce's
theology was in direct opposition to the Torah and placed the Saducces
outside of Judaism. Maybe this is why God struck every Sadducee High
priest dead for entering the Holy of Holies without being worthy!?!

You are such a rampant liar Aaron. I DON'T hate Jews, I only hate
inhumane ACTIONS, like justifying mass-murder at the behest of god(s). I.e.:
"Kill all that breatheth" in the entire country. But I bet you will accuse
Jesus of hating Jews. Read below.
Pastor Frank
JESUS HOLDS FORTH RE: THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES
Jesus in Mt:23:13: But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in
yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore
ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make
him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
23: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay
tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters
of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and
not to leave the other undone.
25: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make
clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full
of extortion and excess.
27: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are
like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are
within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
29: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye
build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the
righteous.
30: And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not
have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31: Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children
of them which killed the prophets.
32: Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33: Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the
damnation of hell?
34: Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and
scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall
ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of
Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36: Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this
generation.
37: O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest
them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children
together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would
not!
38: Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39: For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall
say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Jesus in Jn:8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of
your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode
not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
.
User: "Aaron"

Title: Re: Jesus the Pharisee 31 May 2006 11:38:51 AM
On Mon, 29 May 2006 21:25:04 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:

"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:lfgk72dokobagjkqsr0502kngmv21dvb3h@4ax.com...


Despite Frank's hatred of Jews andhis redefinition anf
fictionalization of Jesus, Jesus is a Jew and a Pharisee.
A Pharisee was a Jew of any one of several schools of rabbinical
thought that held two theological beliefs. These two beliefs defins
Pharisaic Judaism. The first of these is the belief in an after-life
(Heaven or Hell). The second is the belief that each person is
responcible for his own actions and obliged to obey God. Jesus taught
these two beliefs.
There were widely divergent bel;iefs beyong these two. Beyt Shammai
focused on actions of obeying the Commandments. Beyt Hillel forcused
on how obedience to God's Commandments improves the person
spiritually. Jesus agreed with the Torah interpretations of Beyt
Hillel and even quoted Rabbi Hillel. readers of the Book of Acts,
will remember Rabban Gamliel the Elder did not denounce the
possibility that Jesus was the Messiah.
Frank also attacks the Scribes because some of them were part of the
saducees who did no believe in an afterlife and who did not believe
that any Messiah would ever come. For those not aware: Maimonides,
the codifier of Jewish (biblical) Law claimed that the Saducce's
theology was in direct opposition to the Torah and placed the Saducces
outside of Judaism. Maybe this is why God struck every Sadducee High
priest dead for entering the Holy of Holies without being worthy!?!

You are such a rampant liar Aaron. I DON'T hate Jews, I only hate
inhumane ACTIONS, like justifying mass-murder at the behest of god(s). I.e.:
"Kill all that breatheth" in the entire country.

Frank, Since YHVH/Jesus commanded that, you define yourself as a
Satanist in the eyes of all Christians.
Frank, you are both ignorant and racist.
Your antiSemitic interpretation of Jesus' words if foolish. Jesus is
a Pharisee. Howeber Paharisaic Judaism was a broad collection of
several schools or rabbinical thought. A minority group, Beyt
Shammai, opposed Jesus. Beyt Shammai allied themselves with the
Saduccees, who do not even fit in the modern definition of Judaism
(See: Maimonides' "Mishneh Torah"). even so they were still a
minority. You supposition is like blaming all Christians for thinking
that they will become gods with their own planets when they die just
because the Mormons believe that.

But I bet you will accuse
Jesus of hating Jews. Read below.

Jesus IS a Jew - A Pharisee as well.
He taught only Judaism.
Frank you oppose Jesus' teachings. You use His name, but you hate
what He taught. Why don't you find a religion that you believe, like
Atheism?


Pastor Frank

JESUS HOLDS FORTH RE: THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES
Jesus in Mt:23:13: But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in
yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore
ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make
him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
23: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay
tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters
of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and
not to leave the other undone.
25: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make
clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full
of extortion and excess.
27: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are
like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are
within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
29: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye
build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the
righteous.
30: And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not
have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31: Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children
of them which killed the prophets.
32: Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33: Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the
damnation of hell?
34: Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and
scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall
ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of
Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36: Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this
generation.
37: O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest
them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children
together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would
not!
38: Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39: For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall
say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Jesus in Jn:8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of
your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode
not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

.

User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=AA=BA=AA_rrock?="

Title: Re: Jesus the Pharisee 30 May 2006 09:17:08 PM
Wrong Frank. You hate Jews and are a liar for denying it.
Pastor Frank wrote:

"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:lfgk72dokobagjkqsr0502kngmv21dvb3h@4ax.com...

Despite Frank's hatred of Jews andhis redefinition anf
fictionalization of Jesus, Jesus is a Jew and a Pharisee.
A Pharisee was a Jew of any one of several schools of rabbinical
thought that held two theological beliefs. These two beliefs defins
Pharisaic Judaism. The first of these is the belief in an after-life
(Heaven or Hell). The second is the belief that each person is
responcible for his own actions and obliged to obey God. Jesus taught
these two beliefs.
There were widely divergent bel;iefs beyong these two. Beyt Shammai
focused on actions of obeying the Commandments. Beyt Hillel forcused
on how obedience to God's Commandments improves the person
spiritually. Jesus agreed with the Torah interpretations of Beyt
Hillel and even quoted Rabbi Hillel. readers of the Book of Acts,
will remember Rabban Gamliel the Elder did not denounce the
possibility that Jesus was the Messiah.
Frank also attacks the Scribes because some of them were part of the
saducees who did no believe in an afterlife and who did not believe
that any Messiah would ever come. For those not aware: Maimonides,
the codifier of Jewish (biblical) Law claimed that the Saducce's
theology was in direct opposition to the Torah and placed the Saducces
outside of Judaism. Maybe this is why God struck every Sadducee High
priest dead for entering the Holy of Holies without being worthy!?!


You are such a rampant liar Aaron. I DON'T hate Jews, I only hate
inhumane ACTIONS, like justifying mass-murder at the behest of god(s). I.e.:
"Kill all that breatheth" in the entire country. But I bet you will accuse
Jesus of hating Jews. Read below.

Pastor Frank

JESUS HOLDS FORTH RE: THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES
Jesus in Mt:23:13: But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in
yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore
ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make
him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
23: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay
tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters
of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and
not to leave the other undone.
25: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make
clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full
of extortion and excess.
27: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are
like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are
within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
29: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye
build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the
righteous.
30: And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not
have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31: Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children
of them which killed the prophets.
32: Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33: Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the
damnation of hell?
34: Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and
scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall
ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of
Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36: Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this
generation.
37: O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest
them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children
together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would
not!
38: Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39: For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall
say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Jesus in Jn:8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of
your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode
not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


.



User: "Kingpin"

Title: Re: Jesus on the subject of Pharisees and Scribes 30 May 2006 10:36:30 AM
Pastor Frank wrote:

Speaking below`is not the Jesus "meek and mild" which liberals like to
promote. Jesus had much to say to those who profess God, yet do the opposite
from what their God represents. These are Satan's minions, a quite numerous
contingent, considering the ratio elect to reprobates. See below

Pastor Frank

JESUS HOLDS FORTH RE: THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES
Jesus in Mt:23:13: But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in
yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore
ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make
him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
23: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay
tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have omitted the weightier matters
of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and
not to leave the other undone.
25: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make
clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full
of extortion and excess.
27: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are
like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are
within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
29: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye
build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the
righteous.
30: And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not
have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31: Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children
of them which killed the prophets.
32: Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33: Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the
damnation of hell?
34: Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and
scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall
ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of
Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36: Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this
generation.
37: O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest
them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children
together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would
not!
38: Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39: For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall
say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Jesus in Jn:8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of
your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode
not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Frank, why do you keep referring to the bible? It's not helping you, as
you have proven to be an Atheist.
.


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