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Re: JOHN W.'S BIGGEST LIE YET!! So Sue Me, Sir |
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:16:33 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Mr John W. Can't seem to help himself. Did anyone else know that the
apostle Paul began the numbering system using Arabic Numerals and A.D. on
cornerstones of buildings? Read below. Honest, folks, Mr John W. truly
wrote and posted these outrageous, preposterous, sillyass words.
You need to back off on this endless calling me a liar. That's
illegal, and you cannot prove what you claim. You are doing it merely
for smear factor, and that's called "libel" or "slander". Putting it
in header after header is called harassment.
Are those, Mr John W., your words above? Yes, they are.
Did you, Mr John W., utter (in the legal sense) those words? Yes, unless
you can somehow prove someone is forging headers and IP addresses.
Do you make such an accusation of forgery (which really is unlawful)? That
would seem to be yet another absurdity, becasue you have defended those
words for many days and insisted those words are true.
Are those words true or false? They are false. Absurdly so. Manifestly
not true. Blatant lies.
And what is the common English noun used to accurately describe such a
person? Liar.
What you do not seem to comprehend, Sir, is that for a libel case to be
pursued, the plaintiff (you) must make a prima facie case that the accused
libeler published in writing, false information concerning the plaintiff,
under most circumstances. Unfortunately for you, Sir, there are numerous
records of our conversations. And I am quite content to let the record
speak for me.
Slander, Mr John W., involves oral, spoken, malicious, false, and
defamatory statements. Obviously, since you have never heard my voice,
slander is a legal impossibility in this case.
Are either libel nor slander are criminal offences in the United States?
If they are not, that means you must find an attorney willing to spend the
time, which you will pay for, to track me down. Please, Mr John W., do hire
an attorney to take any action you care to pursue. See if you can find one
who offers a free initial consultation. In the meantime, do complain to my
ISP. That will not cost you a couple hundred dollars an hour or more. If
you do not know how to ascertain what my ISP is (it is in the header of this
and all of my posts), seek assistance at geektools or spamcop. I eagerly
anticipate responding to your complaint.
You cannot accuse me with suppositions, and "I didn't believe him."
You must have PROOF that I lied, beyond your stupid speculations. You
do not have that, and I'll sue you for 10 times the amount needed to
go take a picture.
Ah, Sir, you do not seem to be reading your own words, much less mine. The
proof is in your own words. Read below. You posted the blatant lie that:
"While it was not common, this dating had to have started somewhere. Paul
was a Roman citizen, so he was in the perfect position to begin this
numbering system on churches. Many years later, commerce began using the
system." That is beyond merely false, it is bizarre. There is a more than
adequate record of your repeated, bilious, and malicious falsehoods and lies
on computers and servers in many places. I stand on the record of your
words. And mine.
Sir, feel free to sue me for whatever amount tickles your fancy.
Why don't you just learn to discriminate between what is obviously false and
what is arguably true?
John W
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:56:44 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In alt.talk.creationism, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in
<fihfiv844pbm7o390q5hsjp5fuuf3aehrb@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:33:21 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
...
Haven't you been paying attention? You were conned.
Haven't you been paying attention? I was there. You were not. So you
cannot speak for whether the church is there or not, can you? Other
then the crap you've been fed by your blood cult.
John, you have already shown that you are not a reliable witness. I
cannot accept your assertion unless you can provide some evidence to
support it.
Again, you missed some important words: YOUR LOSS! I don't care!
And what would be the point for the Turks and the American military
to
set that whole "charade" up, just to tool me? There's a church, it
covers the entire city block and stands between 2 and 3 stories high,
there is a cross in metal embossed on the door, and it bears a 1st
Century AD cornerstone.
I don't believe your claim.
I don't care.
What part of that gives you the most trouble?
The total lack of evidence, given the facts that are known about the
history of Ephesus, of Christianity, and of the AD dating system.
All in error.
You
never did tell us what the cornerstone actually said.
I have explained that multiple times. And if you're all that curious,
suppose you make the trip, and come back and tell us all the date?
I told the group about the church to encourage the group; not to
debate its existence.
How exactly do your silly and bilious lies "encourage the group" exactly?
As I pointed out,
the implication of your comment was that the cornerstone had something
like 68 AD on it, which is impossible.
Only in your small mind. It was there. And my scholars have explained
that the date is most likely correct. There would have been NO reason,
other than YOUR DISBELIEF, for the cornerstone to have been forged.
Why should Paul have NOT been the one to start the 70 AD dating system
on cornerstones?
AD would always come before the
number, arabic numbers were not used,
Yea, actually, they were, in special circu;mstances. And what more
special a circumstance than the cornerstone of a church?
Oh really, Mr John W.? And your source for this would what precisely?
and the Roman AUC system would
have been the one used if this were a contemporary cornerstone.
Yawn. You must MUST make the Roman Catholics first ! And they were
not.
I have
no idea if it was common to put dates on cornerstones at that time.
While it was not common, this dating had to have started somewhere.
Paul was a Roman citizen, so he was in the perfect position to begin
this numbering system on churches. Many years later, commerce began
using the system..
Why was the roman citizen Paul in a more perfect position than any of the
millions of other Roman citizens to begin this dating? Any evidence Paul
knew Latin?
This is so sad . . . .that a man is so desperate to prove his point he
makes
up such a silly and outrageous lie . . . . Will he blame this one on
dyslexia, ignorance, or dishonesty?
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| User: "John W" |
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| Title: Re: JOHN W.'S BIGGEST LIE YET!! So Sue Me, Sir |
04 Aug 2003 08:41:00 PM |
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:13:56 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0gojiv811qqvlqv2lbn90j9ukcm475lrvr@4ax.com...
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:16:33 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Mr John W. Can't seem to help himself. Did anyone else know that the
apostle Paul began the numbering system using Arabic Numerals and A.D. on
cornerstones of buildings?
YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT PAUL DIDN'T! All you spoke was your POV. I spoke
mine. At least I know quite a few people who agree. Talk with Dr. Wm
Steuart McBirnie, talk with Dr. Holland London.
Read below. Honest, folks, Mr John W. truly
wrote and posted these outrageous, preposterous, sillyass words.
Your word does not make it so. Keep this up, and I'll have the
authorities on your *****. You do NOT have the right to call me a liar
repeatedly, unless you can PROVE it, and you cannot prove it, you
psycho.
John W
You need to back off on this endless calling me a liar. That's
illegal, and you cannot prove what you claim. You are doing it merely
for smear factor, and that's called "libel" or "slander". Putting it
in header after header is called harassment.
Are those, Mr John W., your words above? Yes, they are.
Did you, Mr John W., utter (in the legal sense) those words? Yes, unless
you can somehow prove someone is forging headers and IP addresses.
Do you make such an accusation of forgery (which really is unlawful)? That
would seem to be yet another absurdity, becasue you have defended those
words for many days and insisted those words are true.
Are those words true or false? They are false. Absurdly so. Manifestly
not true. Blatant lies.
And what is the common English noun used to accurately describe such a
person? Liar.
What you do not seem to comprehend, Sir, is that for a libel case to be
pursued, the plaintiff (you) must make a prima facie case that the accused
libeler published in writing, false information concerning the plaintiff,
under most circumstances. Unfortunately for you, Sir, there are numerous
records of our conversations. And I am quite content to let the record
speak for me.
Slander, Mr John W., involves oral, spoken, malicious, false, and
defamatory statements. Obviously, since you have never heard my voice,
slander is a legal impossibility in this case.
Are either libel nor slander are criminal offences in the United States?
If they are not, that means you must find an attorney willing to spend the
time, which you will pay for, to track me down. Please, Mr John W., do hire
an attorney to take any action you care to pursue. See if you can find one
who offers a free initial consultation. In the meantime, do complain to my
ISP. That will not cost you a couple hundred dollars an hour or more. If
you do not know how to ascertain what my ISP is (it is in the header of this
and all of my posts), seek assistance at geektools or spamcop. I eagerly
anticipate responding to your complaint.
You cannot accuse me with suppositions, and "I didn't believe him."
You must have PROOF that I lied, beyond your stupid speculations. You
do not have that, and I'll sue you for 10 times the amount needed to
go take a picture.
Ah, Sir, you do not seem to be reading your own words, much less mine. The
proof is in your own words. Read below. You posted the blatant lie that:
"While it was not common, this dating had to have started somewhere. Paul
was a Roman citizen, so he was in the perfect position to begin this
numbering system on churches. Many years later, commerce began using the
system." That is beyond merely false, it is bizarre. There is a more than
adequate record of your repeated, bilious, and malicious falsehoods and lies
on computers and servers in many places. I stand on the record of your
words. And mine.
Sir, feel free to sue me for whatever amount tickles your fancy.
Why don't you just learn to discriminate between what is obviously false and
what is arguably true?
John W
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:56:44 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In alt.talk.creationism, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in
<fihfiv844pbm7o390q5hsjp5fuuf3aehrb@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:33:21 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
...
Haven't you been paying attention? You were conned.
Haven't you been paying attention? I was there. You were not. So you
cannot speak for whether the church is there or not, can you? Other
then the crap you've been fed by your blood cult.
John, you have already shown that you are not a reliable witness. I
cannot accept your assertion unless you can provide some evidence to
support it.
Again, you missed some important words: YOUR LOSS! I don't care!
And what would be the point for the Turks and the American military
to
set that whole "charade" up, just to tool me? There's a church, it
covers the entire city block and stands between 2 and 3 stories high,
there is a cross in metal embossed on the door, and it bears a 1st
Century AD cornerstone.
I don't believe your claim.
I don't care.
What part of that gives you the most trouble?
The total lack of evidence, given the facts that are known about the
history of Ephesus, of Christianity, and of the AD dating system.
All in error.
You
never did tell us what the cornerstone actually said.
I have explained that multiple times. And if you're all that curious,
suppose you make the trip, and come back and tell us all the date?
I told the group about the church to encourage the group; not to
debate its existence.
How exactly do your silly and bilious lies "encourage the group" exactly?
As I pointed out,
the implication of your comment was that the cornerstone had something
like 68 AD on it, which is impossible.
Only in your small mind. It was there. And my scholars have explained
that the date is most likely correct. There would have been NO reason,
other than YOUR DISBELIEF, for the cornerstone to have been forged.
Why should Paul have NOT been the one to start the 70 AD dating system
on cornerstones?
AD would always come before the
number, arabic numbers were not used,
Yea, actually, they were, in special circu;mstances. And what more
special a circumstance than the cornerstone of a church?
Oh really, Mr John W.? And your source for this would what precisely?
and the Roman AUC system would
have been the one used if this were a contemporary cornerstone.
Yawn. You must MUST make the Roman Catholics first ! And they were
not.
I have
no idea if it was common to put dates on cornerstones at that time.
While it was not common, this dating had to have started somewhere.
Paul was a Roman citizen, so he was in the perfect position to begin
this numbering system on churches. Many years later, commerce began
using the system..
Why was the roman citizen Paul in a more perfect position than any of the
millions of other Roman citizens to begin this dating? Any evidence Paul
knew Latin?
This is so sad . . . .that a man is so desperate to prove his point he
makes
up such a silly and outrageous lie . . . . Will he blame this one on
dyslexia, ignorance, or dishonesty?
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| Title: Re: JOHN W.'S BIGGEST LIE YET!! So Sue Me, Sir |
05 Aug 2003 04:49:07 AM |
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"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:13:56 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:16:33 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Mr John W. Can't seem to help himself. Did anyone else know that the
apostle Paul began the numbering system using Arabic Numerals and A.D.
on
cornerstones of buildings?
YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT PAUL DIDN'T!
Yes we do... it's called HISTORY...
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| User: "John W" |
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| Title: Re: JOHN W.'S BIGGEST LIE YET!! So Sue Me, Sir |
06 Aug 2003 04:22:04 AM |
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:49:07 GMT, "Christopher Robin"
<anonyngaddr@hotmail.com> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:13:56 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0gojiv811qqvlqv2lbn90j9ukcm475lrvr@4ax.com...
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:16:33 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Mr John W. Can't seem to help himself. Did anyone else know that the
apostle Paul began the numbering system using Arabic Numerals and A.D.
on
cornerstones of buildings?
YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT PAUL DIDN'T!
Yes we do... it's called HISTORY...
The New Testament is called "Early church history", and it says he
did.
John W
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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06 Aug 2003 11:57:31 AM |
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John W wrote:
On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:49:07 GMT, "Christopher Robin"
<anonyngaddr@hotmail.com> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:13:56 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0gojiv811qqvlqv2lbn90j9ukcm475lrvr@4ax.com...
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:16:33 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Mr John W. Can't seem to help himself. Did anyone else know that the
apostle Paul began the numbering system using Arabic Numerals and A.D.
on
cornerstones of buildings?
YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT PAUL DIDN'T!
Yes we do... it's called HISTORY...
The New Testament is called "Early church history", and it says he
did.
===>YET ANOTHER LIE!
NOWHERE does the "New Testament" say that
(quote from above):
"apostle Paul began the numbering system using Arabic Numerals and A.D.
on cornerstones of buildings".
You're so amusing, John W.!
Libertarius
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| User: "John W" |
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| Title: Re: JOHN W.'S BIGGEST LIE YET!! So Sue Me, Sir |
05 Aug 2003 12:46:43 PM |
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:49:07 GMT, "Christopher Robin"
<anonyngaddr@hotmail.com> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:13:56 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:16:33 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Mr John W. Can't seem to help himself. Did anyone else know that the
apostle Paul began the numbering system using Arabic Numerals and A.D.
on
cornerstones of buildings?
YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT PAUL DIDN'T!
Yes we do... it's called HISTORY...
Whose version? The Catholic version. As a trained journalist, I've
learned that histories are written by people, and so they have
built-in prejudices, and blind spots.
The Bible is ALSO HISTORY. The Bible history says there were/are 7
churches that Paul first built. 6 of the 7 are still there.
You merely prefer men's fallible history that attempts to discredit
God, to God's infallible history.
I'll trust God's version, since I've seen one of the churches
Christian/Bible history says is there.
John W
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| User: "Christopher Robin" |
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05 Aug 2003 03:54:43 PM |
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"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:49:07 GMT, "Christopher Robin"
<anonyngaddr@hotmail.com> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:13:56 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:16:33 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Mr John W. Can't seem to help himself. Did anyone else know that
the
apostle Paul began the numbering system using Arabic Numerals and
A.D.
on
cornerstones of buildings?
YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT PAUL DIDN'T!
Yes we do... it's called HISTORY...
Whose version? The Catholic version. As a trained journalist, I've
learned that histories are written by people, and so they have
built-in prejudices, and blind spots.
Actually, I've read it from secular history.
The Bible is ALSO HISTORY. The Bible history says there were/are 7
churches that Paul first built. 6 of the 7 are still there.
No... none of them are there. That's been proven time and again to you...
5 of the 7 cities were destroyed in the past 2000 years.
Furthermore, the Bible never said that Paul built a BUILDING... he built a
community that met in homes.
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| User: "Christopher Robin" |
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| Title: Re: JOHN W.'S BIGGEST LIE YET!! So Sue Me, Sir |
06 Aug 2003 02:55:30 PM |
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"John W" <john_weatherly@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:54:43 GMT, "Christopher Robin"
<anonyngaddr@hotmail.com> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:49:07 GMT, "Christopher Robin"
<anonyngaddr@hotmail.com> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:13:56 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:16:33 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:
Mr John W. Can't seem to help himself. Did anyone else know
that
the
apostle Paul began the numbering system using Arabic Numerals
and
A.D.
on
cornerstones of buildings?
YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT PAUL DIDN'T!
Yes we do... it's called HISTORY...
Whose version? The Catholic version. As a trained journalist, I've
learned that histories are written by people, and so they have
built-in prejudices, and blind spots.
Actually, I've read it from secular history.
The Bible is ALSO HISTORY. The Bible history says there were/are 7
churches that Paul first built. 6 of the 7 are still there.
No... none of them are there. That's been proven time and again to
you...
5 of the 7 cities were destroyed in the past 2000 years.
Furthermore, the Bible never said that Paul built a BUILDING... he built
a
community that met in homes.
You assume, and you assume incorrectly. My sources say the 6 churches
are still there, I've been to one of the 6.
And you've repeatedly been proven wrong by independent history.
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| User: "Christopher Robin" |
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06 Aug 2003 09:17:34 PM |
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"John W" <john_weatherly@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 19:55:30 GMT, "Christopher Robin"
<anonyngaddr@hotmail.com> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:54:43 GMT, "Christopher Robin"
<anonyngaddr@hotmail.com> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:49:07 GMT, "Christopher Robin"
<anonyngaddr@hotmail.com> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:13:56 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:16:33 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:
Mr John W. Can't seem to help himself. Did anyone else know
that
the
apostle Paul began the numbering system using Arabic Numerals
and
A.D.
on
cornerstones of buildings?
YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT PAUL DIDN'T!
Yes we do... it's called HISTORY...
Whose version? The Catholic version. As a trained journalist, I've
learned that histories are written by people, and so they have
built-in prejudices, and blind spots.
Actually, I've read it from secular history.
The Bible is ALSO HISTORY. The Bible history says there were/are 7
churches that Paul first built. 6 of the 7 are still there.
No... none of them are there. That's been proven time and again to
you...
5 of the 7 cities were destroyed in the past 2000 years.
Furthermore, the Bible never said that Paul built a BUILDING... he
built
a
community that met in homes.
You assume, and you assume incorrectly. My sources say the 6 churches
are still there, I've been to one of the 6.
And you've repeatedly been proven wrong by independent history.
IN YOUR OPINION.
No... Facts are facts John... FACTS demonstrate that IZMIR & SMYRNA were
the same place. FACTS demonstrate that the AD dating system was NOT started
by St. Paul as you suggested, but 500 years later. FACTS demonstrate that
any church with a 68 (or 74 or something similar) AD date on it would not be
the authentic date/cornerstone from the time the building was constructed.
FACTS demonstrate that
And you're just too damned stupid to know how to
gather evidence and HAVE an opinion someone else didn't give you.
Except I've gathered the evidence on the AD dating system and found NO
sources that stated that St. Paul started it...
At least my opinion i s my own, from independent investigation. Won't
be the first time the books were wrong.
More to the point, it wouldn't be the first time YOU were wrong.
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Christopher Robin wrote:
Whose version? The Catholic version. As a trained journalist, I've
learned that histories are written by people, and so they have
built-in prejudices, and blind spots.
Actually, I've read it from secular history.
John is trying to convince us that anytime a valid historian,
journalist, or antiquarian contradicts him, it's all part of a
vast, global Catholic plot to hide the truth. Thus, any
time that there is a lack of evidence for one of John's claims,
we must immediately indict the Catholic Church for furthring
it's global conspiracy against John and his real message he's
trying to get out to us.
What John seems to be experiencing is paranoid personality
disorder:
--begin quote--
http://www.healthcentral.com/mhc/top/000938.cfm
General Health Encyclopedia
Paranoid personality disorder
Alternative names:
paranoia
Definition:
An unwarranted tendency to interpret the actions of other
people as deliberately threatening or demeaning.
Symptoms:
* suspicion
* concern with hidden motives
* expects to be exploited by others
* inability to relax
* inability to collaborate
* social isolation
* poor self image
* detachment
* hostility
* argumentative
* poor sense of humor
* unforgiving
* easily slighted
--end quote--
John seems to be manifesting several of the symptoms on this
list. Perhaps it's time for him to get some help. Although
people with paranoid personality disorder rarely get help,
since they can't build trust with a professional, and they
won't admit that they are suffering from any problems.
If John is suffering from paranoid personality disorder, he
also may be suffering from a form of schizophrenia that would
allow hallucinations or false memories. He may really
believe that he was at a church in Ephesus, and another one in
Britain, and that he found "Holy Land Tours" that go to Turkey,
Greece, and Spain.
--begin quote--
http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual_home/sec7/91.jsp
Delusions are false beliefs that usually involve a misinterpretation of
perceptions or experiences. For example, people with schizophrenia may
experience persecutory delusions, believing that they are being
tormented, followed, tricked, or spied on. They may have delusions of
reference, believing that passages from books, newspapers, or song
lyrics are directed specifically at them. They may have delusions of
thought withdrawal or thought insertion, believing that others can read
their mind, that their thoughts are being transmitted to others, or that
thoughts and impulses are being imposed on them by outside forces.
Hallucinations of sound, sight, smell, taste, or touch may occur,
although hallucinations of sound (auditory hallucinations) are by far
the most common. A person may "hear" voices commenting on his behavior,
conversing with one another, or making critical and abusive comments.
--end quote--
John may be mentally ill, in which case, we shouldn't
be so hard on him. Either that, or he's a hard core
liar. But in the name of Christian charity, we should
give him the benefit of the doubt.
Daniel
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Professor of Sociology | incerta pro certis habere,
http://www.danielvieira.com | falsa pro veris?" -- Cicero
"Nemo enim se mutat; qui mutari se desperet" -- Seneca
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05 Aug 2003 03:04:01 PM |
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"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:13:56 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:16:33 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Mr John W. Can't seem to help himself. Did anyone else know that the
apostle Paul began the numbering system using Arabic Numerals and A.D.
on
cornerstones of buildings?
YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT PAUL DIDN'T! All you spoke was your POV. I spoke
mine. At least I know quite a few people who agree. Talk with Dr. Wm
Steuart McBirnie, talk with Dr. Holland London.
Oh yes, Mr John W., we do know that Paul invented no such thing. Your
contention is silly in the extreme. And in the extraordinarily unlikely
event the three gentlemen you name above agree with you, they too are silly
in the extreme.
Read below. Honest, folks, Mr John W. truly
wrote and posted these outrageous, preposterous, sillyass words.
Your word does not make it so. Keep this up, and I'll have the
authorities on your *****. You do NOT have the right to call me a liar
repeatedly, unless you can PROVE it, and you cannot prove it, you
psycho.
John W
Please, Mr John W., do get "the authorities on your [my] *****." Or better
yet, stop persisting in your outrageous falsehoods. I seek no retraction or
apology; merely that you stop lying and fabricating falsehoods. Your own
words indict and convict you and your words are the only evidence needed.
Stop posting falsehoods and lies and I stop posting your own words and
explicating why they are falsehoods and lies.
You need to back off on this endless calling me a liar. That's
illegal, and you cannot prove what you claim. You are doing it merely
for smear factor, and that's called "libel" or "slander". Putting it
in header after header is called harassment.
Are those, Mr John W., your words above? Yes, they are.
Did you, Mr John W., utter (in the legal sense) those words? Yes, unless
you can somehow prove someone is forging headers and IP addresses.
Do you make such an accusation of forgery (which really is unlawful)?
That
would seem to be yet another absurdity, becasue you have defended those
words for many days and insisted those words are true.
Are those words true or false? They are false. Absurdly so. Manifestly
not true. Blatant lies.
And what is the common English noun used to accurately describe such a
person? Liar.
What you do not seem to comprehend, Sir, is that for a libel case to be
pursued, the plaintiff (you) must make a prima facie case that the
accused
libeler published in writing, false information concerning the plaintiff,
under most circumstances. Unfortunately for you, Sir, there are numerous
records of our conversations. And I am quite content to let the record
speak for me.
Slander, Mr John W., involves oral, spoken, malicious, false, and
defamatory statements. Obviously, since you have never heard my voice,
slander is a legal impossibility in this case.
Are either libel nor slander are criminal offences in the United States?
If they are not, that means you must find an attorney willing to spend
the
time, which you will pay for, to track me down. Please, Mr John W., do
hire
an attorney to take any action you care to pursue. See if you can find
one
who offers a free initial consultation. In the meantime, do complain to
my
ISP. That will not cost you a couple hundred dollars an hour or more.
If
you do not know how to ascertain what my ISP is (it is in the header of
this
and all of my posts), seek assistance at geektools or spamcop. I eagerly
anticipate responding to your complaint.
You cannot accuse me with suppositions, and "I didn't believe him."
You must have PROOF that I lied, beyond your stupid speculations. You
do not have that, and I'll sue you for 10 times the amount needed to
go take a picture.
Ah, Sir, you do not seem to be reading your own words, much less mine.
The
proof is in your own words. Read below. You posted the blatant lie that:
"While it was not common, this dating had to have started somewhere.
Paul
was a Roman citizen, so he was in the perfect position to begin this
numbering system on churches. Many years later, commerce began using the
system." That is beyond merely false, it is bizarre. There is a more
than
adequate record of your repeated, bilious, and malicious falsehoods and
lies
on computers and servers in many places. I stand on the record of your
words. And mine.
Sir, feel free to sue me for whatever amount tickles your fancy.
Why don't you just learn to discriminate between what is obviously false
and
what is arguably true?
John W
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:56:44 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In alt.talk.creationism, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote
in
<fihfiv844pbm7o390q5hsjp5fuuf3aehrb@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:33:21 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
...
Haven't you been paying attention? You were conned.
Haven't you been paying attention? I was there. You were not. So
you
cannot speak for whether the church is there or not, can you?
Other
then the crap you've been fed by your blood cult.
John, you have already shown that you are not a reliable witness. I
cannot accept your assertion unless you can provide some evidence
to
support it.
Again, you missed some important words: YOUR LOSS! I don't care!
And what would be the point for the Turks and the American
military
to
set that whole "charade" up, just to tool me? There's a church, it
covers the entire city block and stands between 2 and 3 stories
high,
there is a cross in metal embossed on the door, and it bears a 1st
Century AD cornerstone.
I don't believe your claim.
I don't care.
What part of that gives you the most trouble?
The total lack of evidence, given the facts that are known about
the
history of Ephesus, of Christianity, and of the AD dating system.
All in error.
You
never did tell us what the cornerstone actually said.
I have explained that multiple times. And if you're all that
curious,
suppose you make the trip, and come back and tell us all the date?
I told the group about the church to encourage the group; not to
debate its existence.
How exactly do your silly and bilious lies "encourage the group"
exactly?
As I pointed out,
the implication of your comment was that the cornerstone had
something
like 68 AD on it, which is impossible.
Only in your small mind. It was there. And my scholars have
explained
that the date is most likely correct. There would have been NO
reason,
other than YOUR DISBELIEF, for the cornerstone to have been forged.
Why should Paul have NOT been the one to start the 70 AD dating
system
on cornerstones?
AD would always come before the
number, arabic numbers were not used,
Yea, actually, they were, in special circu;mstances. And what more
special a circumstance than the cornerstone of a church?
Oh really, Mr John W.? And your source for this would what precisely?
and the Roman AUC system would
have been the one used if this were a contemporary cornerstone.
Yawn. You must MUST make the Roman Catholics first ! And they were
not.
I have
no idea if it was common to put dates on cornerstones at that time.
While it was not common, this dating had to have started somewhere.
Paul was a Roman citizen, so he was in the perfect position to begin
this numbering system on churches. Many years later, commerce began
using the system..
Why was the roman citizen Paul in a more perfect position than any of
the
millions of other Roman citizens to begin this dating? Any evidence
Paul
knew Latin?
This is so sad . . . .that a man is so desperate to prove his point he
makes
up such a silly and outrageous lie . . . . Will he blame this one on
dyslexia, ignorance, or dishonesty?
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:04:01 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:13:56 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:16:33 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Mr John W. Can't seem to help himself. Did anyone else know that the
apostle Paul began the numbering system using Arabic Numerals and A.D.
on
cornerstones of buildings?
YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT PAUL DIDN'T! All you spoke was your POV. I spoke
mine. At least I know quite a few people who agree. Talk with Dr. Wm
Steuart McBirnie, talk with Dr. Holland London.
Oh yes, Mr John W., we do know that Paul invented no such thing. Your
contention is silly in the extreme. And in the extraordinarily unlikely
event the three gentlemen you name above agree with you, they too are silly
in the extreme.
Read below. Honest, folks, Mr John W. truly
wrote and posted these outrageous, preposterous, sillyass words.
Your word does not make it so. Keep this up, and I'll have the
authorities on your *****. You do NOT have the right to call me a liar
repeatedly, unless you can PROVE it, and you cannot prove it, you
psycho.
John W
Please, Mr John W., do get "the authorities on your [my] *****." Or better
yet, stop persisting in your outrageous falsehoods. I seek no retraction or
apology; merely that you stop lying and fabricating falsehoods.
I cannot stop what I am not doing.
Your own
words indict and convict
BS
you and your words are the only evidence needed.
Yawn. You are so full of doo doo I can smell you from here.
Stop posting falsehoods and lies
I never started, psycho. Why do you so intensely need to discredit me?
'
and I stop posting your own words and
explicating why they are falsehoods and lies.
You can show the judge why you believed I was lying. See if you
convince HER with no proof besides "it's obvious."
You need to back off on this endless calling me a liar. That's
illegal, and you cannot prove what you claim. You are doing it merely
for smear factor, and that's called "libel" or "slander". Putting it
in header after header is called harassment.
Are those, Mr John W., your words above? Yes, they are.
Did you, Mr John W., utter (in the legal sense) those words? Yes, unless
you can somehow prove someone is forging headers and IP addresses.
Do you make such an accusation of forgery (which really is unlawful)?
That
would seem to be yet another absurdity, becasue you have defended those
words for many days and insisted those words are true.
Are those words true or false? They are false.
You are absurd. And you may have to prove it. And you are psychotic.
John W
Absurdly so. Manifestly
not true. Blatant lies.
And what is the common English noun used to accurately describe such a
person? Liar.
What you do not seem to comprehend, Sir, is that for a libel case to be
pursued, the plaintiff (you) must make a prima facie case that the
accused
libeler published in writing, false information concerning the plaintiff,
under most circumstances. Unfortunately for you, Sir, there are numerous
records of our conversations. And I am quite content to let the record
speak for me.
Slander, Mr John W., involves oral, spoken, malicious, false, and
defamatory statements. Obviously, since you have never heard my voice,
slander is a legal impossibility in this case.
Are either libel nor slander are criminal offences in the United States?
If they are not, that means you must find an attorney willing to spend
the
time, which you will pay for, to track me down. Please, Mr John W., do
hire
an attorney to take any action you care to pursue. See if you can find
one
who offers a free initial consultation. In the meantime, do complain to
my
ISP. That will not cost you a couple hundred dollars an hour or more.
If
you do not know how to ascertain what my ISP is (it is in the header of
this
and all of my posts), seek assistance at geektools or spamcop. I eagerly
anticipate responding to your complaint.
You cannot accuse me with suppositions, and "I didn't believe him."
You must have PROOF that I lied, beyond your stupid speculations. You
do not have that, and I'll sue you for 10 times the amount needed to
go take a picture.
Ah, Sir, you do not seem to be reading your own words, much less mine.
The
proof is in your own words. Read below. You posted the blatant lie that:
"While it was not common, this dating had to have started somewhere.
Paul
was a Roman citizen, so he was in the perfect position to begin this
numbering system on churches. Many years later, commerce began using the
system." That is beyond merely false, it is bizarre. There is a more
than
adequate record of your repeated, bilious, and malicious falsehoods and
lies
on computers and servers in many places. I stand on the record of your
words. And mine.
Sir, feel free to sue me for whatever amount tickles your fancy.
Why don't you just learn to discriminate between what is obviously false
and
what is arguably true?
John W
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mc8iivokh2phqnam2qf91u7ot0sb7cgph0@4ax.com...
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:56:44 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In alt.talk.creationism, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote
in
<fihfiv844pbm7o390q5hsjp5fuuf3aehrb@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:33:21 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
...
Haven't you been paying attention? You were conned.
Haven't you been paying attention? I was there. You were not. So
you
cannot speak for whether the church is there or not, can you?
Other
then the crap you've been fed by your blood cult.
John, you have already shown that you are not a reliable witness. I
cannot accept your assertion unless you can provide some evidence
to
support it.
Again, you missed some important words: YOUR LOSS! I don't care!
And what would be the point for the Turks and the American
military
to
set that whole "charade" up, just to tool me? There's a church, it
covers the entire city block and stands between 2 and 3 stories
high,
there is a cross in metal embossed on the door, and it bears a 1st
Century AD cornerstone.
I don't believe your claim.
I don't care.
What part of that gives you the most trouble?
The total lack of evidence, given the facts that are known about
the
history of Ephesus, of Christianity, and of the AD dating system.
All in error.
You
never did tell us what the cornerstone actually said.
I have explained that multiple times. And if you're all that
curious,
suppose you make the trip, and come back and tell us all the date?
I told the group about the church to encourage the group; not to
debate its existence.
How exactly do your silly and bilious lies "encourage the group"
exactly?
As I pointed out,
the implication of your comment was that the cornerstone had
something
like 68 AD on it, which is impossible.
Only in your small mind. It was there. And my scholars have
explained
that the date is most likely correct. There would have been NO
reason,
other than YOUR DISBELIEF, for the cornerstone to have been forged.
Why should Paul have NOT been the one to start the 70 AD dating
system
on cornerstones?
AD would always come before the
number, arabic numbers were not used,
Yea, actually, they were, in special circu;mstances. And what more
special a circumstance than the cornerstone of a church?
Oh really, Mr John W.? And your source for this would what precisely?
and the Roman AUC system would
have been the one used if this were a contemporary cornerstone.
Yawn. You must MUST make the Roman Catholics first ! And they were
not.
I have
no idea if it was common to put dates on cornerstones at that time.
While it was not common, this dating had to have started somewhere.
Paul was a Roman citizen, so he was in the perfect position to begin
this numbering system on churches. Many years later, commerce began
using the system..
Why was the roman citizen Paul in a more perfect position than any of
the
millions of other Roman citizens to begin this dating? Any evidence
Paul
knew Latin?
This is so sad . . . .that a man is so desperate to prove his point he
makes
up such a silly and outrageous lie . . . . Will he blame this one on
dyslexia, ignorance, or dishonesty?
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06 Aug 2003 07:41:38 PM |
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On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 21:29:13 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
I no longer respond...
"John W" <john_weatherly@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:04:01 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:13:56 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:16:33 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Mr John W. Can't seem to help himself. Did anyone else know that
the
apostle Paul began the numbering system using Arabic Numerals and
A.D.
on
cornerstones of buildings?
YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT PAUL DIDN'T! All you spoke was your POV. I spoke
mine. At least I know quite a few people who agree. Talk with Dr. Wm
Steuart McBirnie, talk with Dr. Holland London.
Oh yes, Mr John W., we do know that Paul invented no such thing. Your
contention is silly in the extreme. And in the extraordinarily unlikely
event the three gentlemen you name above agree with you, they too are
silly
in the extreme.
Read below. Honest, folks, Mr John W. truly
wrote and posted these outrageous, preposterous, sillyass words.
Your word does not make it so. Keep this up, and I'll have the
authorities on your *****. You do NOT have the right to call me a liar
repeatedly, unless you can PROVE it, and you cannot prove it, you
psycho.
John W
Please, Mr John W., do get "the authorities on your [my] *****." Or better
yet, stop persisting in your outrageous falsehoods. I seek no retraction
or
apology; merely that you stop lying and fabricating falsehoods.
I cannot stop what I am not doing.
Your own
words indict and convict
BS
you and your words are the only evidence needed.
Yawn. You are so full of doo doo I can smell you from here.
Stop posting falsehoods and lies
I never started, psycho. Why do you so intensely need to discredit me?
You discredit yourself with your own words, Sir. My assistance is not
required in any way. You did it long before I began reading and posting
here, and doubtless you will continue to discredit yourself into the
foreseeable future.
and I stop posting your own words and
explicating why they are falsehoods and lies.
You can show the judge why you believed I was lying. See if you
convince HER with no proof besides "it's obvious."
I would be happy to show any judge with competent jurisdiction, Sir.
Precisely which judge do you have in mind, Mr John W.?
You need to back off on this endless calling me a liar. That's
illegal, and you cannot prove what you claim. You are doing it
merely
for smear factor, and that's called "libel" or "slander". Putting it
in header after header is called harassment.
Are those, Mr John W., your words above? Yes, they are.
Did you, Mr John W., utter (in the legal sense) those words? Yes,
unless
you can somehow prove someone is forging headers and IP addresses.
Do you make such an accusation of forgery (which really is unlawful)?
That
would seem to be yet another absurdity, becasue you have defended
those
words for many days and insisted those words are true.
Are those words true or false? They are false.
You are absurd. And you may have to prove it. And you are psychotic.
How precisely would I prove that, Sir? I suppose I could be psychotic. I
have a physical tomorrow morning. I shall inquire as to my mental health
and report back. But then Sir, so could you be psychotic. How are you
using the term? As a set of serious clinical psychiatric disorders as
outlined in the American Psychiatric Association "Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders"? Which do you believe I suffer
from, Sir?
John W
(John the Baptist)
10 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom,
and knowledge of the Holy one is understanding.
Prov 9:10
NIV
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07 Aug 2003 03:04:24 PM |
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"John W" <john_weatherly@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 21:29:13 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
I no longer respond...
It is so terribly difficult to defend lies, falsehoods, ignorance, and
blather. No wonder you are reluctant to reply.
Now which one of the twelve was your favorite? You said Paul? Paul?
Strange, none of the 15 New Testaments I checked list Paul as "one of the
twelve." Confused again? Or is it another of your patented falsehoods or
deliberate lies? I thought Biblical Christians knew their Bibles, so it is
difficult to believe you made that utterance from ignorance. Or were you
merely trying to provide some comic relief to our weary Usenet experience?
If so, you succeeded. Naming Paul as "one of the twelve" was funny . . .
honest.
Ah, a report from my physical today. No obvious psychosis noted. Are you
sure you didn't mean I was suffering from a neurotic or personality
disorder? You should have been more more specific so I could have asked.
No chance now until next year.
I anxiously await your subpoena . . . .
"John W" <john_weatherly@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:04:01 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:13:56 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:16:33 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:
Mr John W. Can't seem to help himself. Did anyone else know
that
the
apostle Paul began the numbering system using Arabic Numerals
and
A.D.
on
cornerstones of buildings?
YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT PAUL DIDN'T! All you spoke was your POV. I
spoke
mine. At least I know quite a few people who agree. Talk with Dr. Wm
Steuart McBirnie, talk with Dr. Holland London.
Oh yes, Mr John W., we do know that Paul invented no such thing. Your
contention is silly in the extreme. And in the extraordinarily
unlikely
event the three gentlemen you name above agree with you, they too are
silly
in the extreme.
Read below. Honest, folks, Mr John W. truly
wrote and posted these outrageous, preposterous, sillyass words.
Your word does not make it so. Keep this up, and I'll have the
authorities on your *****. You do NOT have the right to call me a liar
repeatedly, unless you can PROVE it, and you cannot prove it, you
psycho.
John W
Please, Mr John W., do get "the authorities on your [my] *****." Or
better
yet, stop persisting in your outrageous falsehoods. I seek no
retraction
or
apology; merely that you stop lying and fabricating falsehoods.
I cannot stop what I am not doing.
Your own
words indict and convict
BS
you and your words are the only evidence needed.
Yawn. You are so full of doo doo I can smell you from here.
Stop posting falsehoods and lies
I never started, psycho. Why do you so intensely need to discredit me?
You discredit yourself with your own words, Sir. My assistance is not
required in any way. You did it long before I began reading and posting
here, and doubtless you will continue to discredit yourself into the
foreseeable future.
and I stop posting your own words and
explicating why they are falsehoods and lies.
You can show the judge why you believed I was lying. See if you
convince HER with no proof besides "it's obvious."
I would be happy to show any judge with competent jurisdiction, Sir.
Precisely which judge do you have in mind, Mr John W.?
You need to back off on this endless calling me a liar. That's
illegal, and you cannot prove what you claim. You are doing it
merely
for smear factor, and that's called "libel" or "slander". Putting
it
in header after header is called harassment.
Are those, Mr John W., your words above? Yes, they are.
Did you, Mr John W., utter (in the legal sense) those words? Yes,
unless
you can somehow prove someone is forging headers and IP addresses.
Do you make such an accusation of forgery (which really is
unlawful)?
That
would seem to be yet another absurdity, becasue you have defended
those
words for many days and insisted those words are true.
Are those words true or false? They are false.
You are absurd. And you may have to prove it. And you are psychotic.
How precisely would I prove that, Sir? I suppose I could be psychotic.
I
have a physical tomorrow morning. I shall inquire as to my mental health
and report back. But then Sir, so could you be psychotic. How are you
using the term? As a set of serious clinical psychiatric disorders as
outlined in the American Psychiatric Association "Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders"? Which do you believe I suffer
from, Sir?
John W
(John the Baptist)
10 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom,
and knowledge of the Holy one is understanding.
Prov 9:10
NIV
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| Title: Re: JOHN W.'S BIGGEST LIE YET!! So Sue Me, Sir |
11 Aug 2003 03:34:23 PM |
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John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<gjvdjv0sirkr8ro8slmjgvgh7u20mfelpp@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:04:24 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 21:29:13 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
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Now which one of the twelve was your favorite? You said Paul? Paul?
Strange, none of the 15 New Testaments I checked list Paul as "one of the
twelve." Confused again? Or is it another of your patented falsehoods or
deliberate lies? I thought Biblical Christians knew their Bibles, so it is
difficult to believe you made that utterance from ignorance. Or were you
merely trying to provide some comic relief to our weary Usenet experience?
If so, you succeeded. Naming Paul as "one of the twelve" was funny . . .
honest.
I'd explain. It's quite simple, really, for any serious Bible scholar.
It's 1st year stuff. But you show no interest in real Christianity, so
I won't bore you, and you can get right back to your snickering
worthy of a 10 year old.
John, don't avoid the issue. Either prove your claim or admit that
you made a mistake. It's so simple. You can't keep making religious
claims without proof. You've said that you'd avoid making these
claims in the future without proof, but you keep right on doing it,
anyway. When will this ever end?
I know, I know, I know,
It's back to the kill-file I go.
JohnH
John W
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| User: "John Hennekes" |
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14 Aug 2003 07:55:48 AM |
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"galia" <galia@netrover.com> wrote in message news:<daUZa.55682$PD3.4572970@nnrp1.uunet.ca>...
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John, don't avoid the issue. Either prove your claim or admit that
you made a mistake. It's so simple. You can't keep making religious
claims without proof. You've said that you'd avoid making these
claims in the future without proof, but you keep right on doing it,
anyway. When will this ever end?
I know, I know, I know,
It's back to the kill-file I go.
JohnH
John W
John, your buddy's (JohnH) proposal sounds very reasonable to me.....
Incidentally, you gave me the idea for the "My Best Bud'" subject
topic in this NG. Now see what you've done? :-)
JohnH
galia
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15 Aug 2003 10:37:06 AM |
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lol JohnH, it's funny to see you go at it with the other John (the one
who tries to run the rooms). I'm not a violent person, BUT I'd sike my
dog (if I had one) on him if he came by my house. I know that's not
very Christian of me. Oh, well....
johnhennekes@nc.rr.com (John Hennekes) wrote in message news:<d11762c8.0308111234.797be4f8@posting.google.com>...
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<gjvdjv0sirkr8ro8slmjgvgh7u20mfelpp@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:04:24 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4v73jv48oqds0gi4rmkfoanatnsq2v667h@4ax.com...
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 21:29:13 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
snipped
Now which one of the twelve was your favorite? You said Paul? Paul?
Strange, none of the 15 New Testaments I checked list Paul as "one of the
twelve." Confused again? Or is it another of your patented falsehoods or
deliberate lies? I thought Biblical Christians knew their Bibles, so it is
difficult to believe you made that utterance from ignorance. Or were you
merely trying to provide some comic relief to our weary Usenet experience?
If so, you succeeded. Naming Paul as "one of the twelve" was funny . . .
honest.
I'd explain. It's quite simple, really, for any serious Bible scholar.
It's 1st year stuff. But you show no interest in real Christianity, so
I won't bore you, and you can get right back to your snickering
worthy of a 10 year old.
John, don't avoid the issue. Either prove your claim or admit that
you made a mistake. It's so simple. You can't keep making religious
claims without proof. You've said that you'd avoid making these
claims in the future without proof, but you keep right on doing it,
anyway. When will this ever end?
I know, I know, I know,
It's back to the kill-file I go.
JohnH
John W
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: JOHN W.'S BIGGEST LIE YET!! So Sue Me, Sir |
04 Aug 2003 10:30:49 PM |
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In alt.talk.creationism, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in
<3k2uivg6nna1i36m9s3pdq0t89s3q6uqa4@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:13:56 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0gojiv811qqvlqv2lbn90j9ukcm475lrvr@4ax.com...
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:16:33 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Mr John W. Can't seem to help himself. Did anyone else know that the
apostle Paul began the numbering system using Arabic Numerals and A.D. on
cornerstones of buildings?
YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT PAUL DIDN'T! All you spoke was your POV. I spoke
mine. At least I know quite a few people who agree. Talk with Dr. Wm
Steuart McBirnie, talk with Dr. Holland London.
Yes, we do know that the church building in question was not built by
Paul. Having a temper tantrum because we don't accept your dodgy memory
will not persuade us to change our minds.
Read below. Honest, folks, Mr John W. truly
wrote and posted these outrageous, preposterous, sillyass words.
Your word does not make it so. Keep this up, and I'll have the
authorities on your *****. You do NOT have the right to call me a liar
repeatedly, unless you can PROVE it, and you cannot prove it, you
psycho.
Sorry, based on the evidence that you have provided so far, your claims
would be instantly thrown out of court.
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| User: "John W" |
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05 Aug 2003 01:59:32 AM |
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 22:30:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In alt.talk.creationism, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in
<3k2uivg6nna1i36m9s3pdq0t89s3q6uqa4@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:13:56 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0gojiv811qqvlqv2lbn90j9ukcm475lrvr@4ax.com...
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:16:33 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Mr John W. Can't seem to help himself. Did anyone else know that the
apostle Paul began the numbering system using Arabic Numerals and A.D. on
cornerstones of buildings?
YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT PAUL DIDN'T! All you spoke was your POV. I spoke
mine. At least I know quite a few people who agree. Talk with Dr. Wm
Steuart McBirnie, talk with Dr. Holland London.
Yes, we do know that the church building in question was not built by
Paul.
Prove it.
Having a temper tantrum because we don't accept your dodgy memory
will not persuade us to change our minds.
What temper tantrum? You don't know me, so you don't know what my
temper looks like.
John W
Read below. Honest, folks, Mr John W. truly
wrote and posted these outrageous, preposterous, sillyass words.
Your word does not make it so. Keep this up, and I'll have the
authorities on your *****. You do NOT have the right to call me a liar
repeatedly, unless you can PROVE it, and you cannot prove it, you
psycho.
Sorry, based on the evidence that you have provided so far, your claims
would be instantly thrown out of court.
...
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| User: "Christopher Robin" |
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05 Aug 2003 03:49:17 PM |
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"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 07:31:41 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In alt.talk.creationism, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in
<3dluiv4q9l282dn9rqc3pr16jo12mlee6j@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 22:30:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In alt.talk.creationism, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in
<3k2uivg6nna1i36m9s3pdq0t89s3q6uqa4@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:13:56 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0gojiv811qqvlqv2lbn90j9ukcm475lrvr@4ax.com...
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:16:33 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Mr John W. Can't seem to help himself. Did anyone else know that
the
apostle Paul began the numbering system using Arabic Numerals and
A.D. on
cornerstones of buildings?
YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT PAUL DIDN'T! All you spoke was your POV. I spoke
mine. At least I know quite a few people who agree. Talk with Dr. Wm
Steuart McBirnie, talk with Dr. Holland London.
Yes, we do know that the church building in question was not built by
Paul.
Prove it.
It's not my responsibility to prove that you are wrong every time you
come up with another erroneously remembered or nonexistent church
building.
Funny how you skeptics who "know there were no church buildings in the
1st C" trust the anti-God, anti-Christ, anti-Bible "histories" and
"encyclopedias". The encyclopedia, ALSO incorrectly states that the
Roman Catholic "church" is the 1st. That is also incorrect.
Actually, no that is correct. The Church that is now known as the Roman
Catholic Church, as well as the Orthodox Church are the first Churches...
before around 1000 AD they were one church, known as the Catholic Church.
Go read the writings of Ignatius of Antioch... he's the one who was using
the term.
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05 Aug 2003 09:37:10 PM |
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Elizabeth Bonello wrote:
"galia" <galia@netrover.com> wrote in message
news:78OXa.52669$PD3.4544674@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3dluiv4q9l282dn9rqc3pr16jo12mlee6j@4ax.com...
On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 22:30:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In alt.talk.creationism, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in
<3k2uivg6nna1i36m9s3pdq0t89s3q6uqa4@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:13:56 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0gojiv811qqvlqv2lbn90j9ukcm475lrvr@4ax.com...
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:16:33 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Mr John W. Can't seem to help himself. Did anyone else know that
the
apostle Paul began the numbering system using Arabic Numerals and
A.D. on
cornerstones of buildings?
YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT PAUL DIDN'T! All you spoke was your POV. I spoke
mine. At least I know quite a few people who agree. Talk with Dr. Wm
Steuart McBirnie, talk with Dr. Holland London.
Yes, we do know that the church building in question was not built by
Paul.
Prove it.
Having a temper tantrum because we don't accept your dodgy memory
will not persuade us to change our minds.
What temper tantrum? You don't know me, so you don't know what my
temper looks like.
John W
Read below. Honest, folks, Mr John W. truly
wrote and posted these outrageous, preposterous, sillyass words.
Your word does not make it so. Keep this up, and I'll have the
authorities on your *****. You do NOT have the right to call me a liar
repeatedly, unless you can PROVE it, and you cannot prove it, you
psycho.
Sorry, based on the evidence that you have provided so far, your claims
would be instantly thrown out of court.
...
Hi John:
I hope you don't mind me butting in, but this time in their defense. I
really do think, it is time to reconsider your claim about this church
building. I don't know if you have noticed that there is another message
about this issue from Andrew encouraging you to answer him. You haven't
done so yet.
It is really no big deal to admit that you maybe did overlook certain
facts,
which made you believe as you do. We are all human and prone to make
mistakes and it takes quite a bit of courage to admit we were wrong. I am
not saying you were 'lying', I am saying, taking all the presented facts
into consideration, that you were somehow mislead and maybe you did forget
crucial details. I do give you the benefit of the doubt, but what I have
read so far from other posters, I must take their reasoning also into
consideration. You can't be both right; so one side is mistaken.
John, as a christian you owe it to the Lord and to the people in this NG
to
set things straight. If your'e in doubt about the validity of your
statement, you have to express this. You'll enjoy way more credibility as
if
you stubbornly insist that your'e not mistaken.
I know, certain people didn't treat you very human in those last weeks,
but
they are not perfect either, we all know that.
So John, I really encourage you to reconsider your position.
God bless you,
galia
Excellent post, galia! We do not necessarily agree, but we *can* learn to
be more civil and to accept correction gracefully.
===>You must be a believer in miracles.
For John to post a "correction" would indeed be one. ;-) -- L.
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05 Aug 2003 11:52:51 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message
news:3F3069D6.4766706C@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net...
Elizabeth Bonello wrote:
"galia" <galia@netrover.com> wrote in message
news:78OXa.52669$PD3.4544674@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
Hi John:
I hope you don't mind me butting in, but this time in their defense. I
really do think, it is time to reconsider your claim about this church
building. I don't know if you have noticed that there is another
message
about this issue from Andrew encouraging you to answer him. You
haven't
done so yet.
It is really no big deal to admit that you maybe did overlook certain
facts,
which made you believe as you do. We are all human and prone to make
mistakes and it takes quite a bit of courage to admit we were wrong. I
am
not saying you were 'lying', I am saying, taking all the presented
facts
into consideration, that you were somehow mislead and maybe you did
forget
crucial details. I do give you the benefit of the doubt, but what I
have
read so far from other posters, I must take their reasoning also into
consideration. You can't be both right; so one side is mistaken.
John, as a christian you owe it to the Lord and to the people in this
NG
to
set things straight. If your'e in doubt about the validity of your
statement, you have to express this. You'll enjoy way more credibility
as
if
you stubbornly insist that your'e not mistaken.
I know, certain people didn't treat you very human in those last
weeks,
but
they are not perfect either, we all know that.
So John, I really encourage you to reconsider your position.
God bless you,
galia
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