Religions > Bible > Re: Knowing the Difference Between General Time and Specific Time
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03 Jan 2006 03:01:26 AM |
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Re: Knowing the Difference Between General Time and Specific Time |
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:28:03 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
GENERAL TIME / SPECIFIC TIME
Although my son has been telling me for six months that "I will be
seeing you soon..." I did not feel like he was telling me "when" he
would be here.
And when someone says they'll see you soon and years
go by, you don't say that they kept their word.
In the same way, since Christ taught that He would
return soon and according to you, hasn't shown up
for 2,000 years, He hasn't kept His word either.
2,000 years does not equal "soon" and this "God time"
garbage is just that... garbage! God doesn't have
time, so there is no such thing as "God time".
God communicated with man and gave man time frames
that humans could understand.
And when we look through our Bibles, we see that every
time that God gave man a time frame, He stuck to it
and there was no, "Oh, I know I said soon and I'm sorry
that thousands of years have gone by, I was busy and
I really meant, 'God time' anyway.".
When God gives a time frame, He sticks to it and He
did with the 70 weeks. There is no break there. And
He did when He said He would be back within their
generation. Either He came "soon" from a human
perspective, or He broke His word, since God gave
us words that we speak. It's that simple and the idea
that God communicates to man using human words
and does so using some "Opposite of what I'm saying"
secret code that He didn't even tell us He was using,
is also ridiculous!
That would be ridiculous!
--
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
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| User: "oldwetdog" |
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| Title: Re: Knowing the Difference Between General Time and Specific Time |
03 Jan 2006 07:38:55 AM |
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70AD wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:28:03 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Dave loves to cross post, so I will piggyback the original post onto his
reply so his legions of fans can see what he was replyihg to ;-)
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GENERAL TIME / SPECIFIC TIME
Although my son has been telling me for six months that "I will be
seeing you soon..." I did not feel like he was telling me "when" he
would be here.
Then, the other day, he told me that he would be on flight #H145 at
11:35 AM on {date}. Well, now I feel like I know when...
Yes, I know I'm not telling you anything you don't know.
If we say, "I am going on vacation soon," the definition of "Soon" is a
general time to be specified by me later, not the listener. "Soon" is a
general, non-specific" designator.
If we say, "I am going on vacation the second week of May," then that is
a more specific time and the listener is not left to search for our meaning.
If we say, "My daughter does not know when I am coming," that "when" is
another general, non-specific designator. The term "when" is a general time.
If we say, "My son does not know the day or hour of my arrival," that
"day or hour" is much more specific, but still not exact in modern
usage, since train and airline arrivals are usually scheduled within the
minute.
If we say, "My parents do no know the instant I will arrive," that is
exactly specific, and maybe they will enjoy your surprise.
That is, we all know there are specific and nonspecific designators of
time; but I’m telling you something you already know--preaching to the
chorus.
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Scriptural examples of Exact Time;
Mat 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy
faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made
whole from that *very hour*
Mat 17:18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and
the child was cured from that *very hour*
Dan 3:6 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the *same hour*
be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.
Mat 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye
shall speak: for it shall be given you in that *same hour* what ye shall
speak.
John 4:53 So the father knew that it was at the _same hour_, in the
which Jesus said unto him, Thy son liveth: and himself believed, and his
whole house.
Mt 24:36 But of that _day and hour_ knoweth no man, no, not the angels
of heaven, but my Father only.
The term "when" is a general non-specific time; while "Day and Hour" is
an exact time.
When someone says we can't know "When" the Lord will come, you know they
have robbed the Word of God of the EXACT time designator and replaced it
with a general time--and made it into a lie.
Scriptural examples: General time;
A search of my electronic Library reveals 4 statements by Christ that:
"I am coming soon." Rev. 3:11, 22:7, 22:12, 22:20. RSV.
One, "He is coming soon." Acts 13:25 New Living Trans.
One, "The Lord is coming soon." NLT
Two, "The Lord is coming soon." Joel 2:1, and Phil 4:4, Good News Bible.
Pro 14:17 He that is soon angry dealeth foolishly: and a man of wicked
devices is hated. KJV
Mt 21:20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon
is the fig tree withered away! (Yes, it withered "presently" which is
not the same thing as "instantly." KJV
2 Thes 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither
by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of
Christ is at hand. KJV
The term "soon" can mean "quickly" but it does not mean "Instantly;"
that meaning is established by the speaker, not the listener. It does
NOT have the same connotation as "day and hour."
There are four "I Come Quickly," Rev. 3:11, 22:7, 22:12 and 22:20. KJV
Again, "Quickly" is, like "soon" a general and non-specific designation
of time determined by the speaker, not the listener.
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Back to EXACT time designators:
There are examples of both general and specific time designations in
prophecy of the coming of the Lord.
Notice I said, "specific" and not "Exact." I did NOT say "Exact" because
we cannot know the day or hour; that is, we cannot know the exact time
of the coming of the Lord.
However, saying that we cannot know the day or hour is not the same a
saying we cannot know "when." We CAN know "when" (general time) but we
cannot know the day or hour.
We can know the season (harvest) which is NOT the same as knowing the
day or hour.
We can know the generation, which is definitely not the same as knowing
the exact time.
Now, back to "Specific" designations of the time of the Lords coming.
Daniel 9:24-27 Seventy weeks are determined upon your people..." KJV
"...and in the midst of the week..."
Mat 24:5 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso
readeth, let him understand)
Here is the first, (as far as I know,) specific designation of time...
Jesus refers to Daniel, who said, "...in the midst of the week he shall
cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading
of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation,
and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
Daniels last week is 7 years. During the first half, according to John,
the witness will testify. During the last half their bodies will lie in
the streets. At the end of that time (two 3 1/2 year periods) they will
be called up to heaven--which occurs at the Seventh Trumpet. Rev.
11:3-13, 1 Thes 4:16-17.
There are several other specific time designations concerning the coming
of the Lord. Daniel 7:25, 8:14, 9:27, 12:10-12. Revelation 11:3-13,
13:5. However, IN EVERY CASE where a New Testament writer spoke of the
coming of the Lord in "general terms," (as if it would occur "soon,")
NOT ONE is giving a specific time.
Why would someone take the General time "I am coming soon" and create a
Doctrine based on that, AND COMPLETELY IGNORE THE SPECIFIC TIMES GIVEN
IN PROPHECY?? Again I ask, Why would someone take these "general
references to the lord’s coming soon" to mean a SPECIFIC TIME and then
create a doctrine on that, AND COMPLETELY IGNORE THE SPECIFIC TIMES AS
GIVEN IN PROPHECY?
Why?
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers,
walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his
coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they
were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are
ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the
earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that
then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the
earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto
fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2 Pet 3:3.
owd
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
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As an earring of gold, and an ornament of fine gold, so is a wise
reprover upon an obedient ear. Solomon
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| User: "70AD" |
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| Title: Re: Knowing the Difference Between General Time and Specific Time |
03 Jan 2006 08:58:45 AM |
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On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 05:38:55 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
70AD wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:28:03 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Dave loves to cross post, so I will piggyback the original post onto his
reply so his legions of fans can see what he was replyihg to ;-)
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GENERAL TIME / SPECIFIC TIME
Are you that stupid, that you think repeating yourself
proves your claim?
Although my son has been telling me for six months that "I will be
seeing you soon..." I did not feel like he was telling me "when" he
would be here.
And when someone says they'll see you soon and years
go by, you don't say that they kept their word.
In the same way, since Christ taught that He would
return soon and according to you, hasn't shown up
for 2,000 years, He hasn't kept His word either.
2,000 years does not equal "soon" and this "God time"
garbage is just that... garbage! God doesn't have
time, so there is no such thing as "God time".
God communicated with man and gave man time frames
that humans could understand.
And when we look through our Bibles, we see that every
time that God gave man a time frame, He stuck to it
and there was no, "Oh, I know I said soon and I'm sorry
that thousands of years have gone by, I was busy and
I really meant, 'God time' anyway.".
When God gives a time frame, He sticks to it and He
did with the 70 weeks. There is no break there. And
He did when He said He would be back within their
generation. Either He came "soon" from a human
perspective, or He broke His word, since God gave
us words that we speak. It's that simple and the idea
that God communicates to man using human words
and does so using some "Opposite of what I'm saying"
secret code that He didn't even tell us He was using,
is also ridiculous!
That would be ridiculous!
--
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
The Last Days were in the first century:
"And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven
is AT HAND." - Matthew 3:2
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Knowing the Difference Between General Time and Specific Time |
03 Jan 2006 03:45:02 AM |
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70AD wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:28:03 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
GENERAL TIME / SPECIFIC TIME
Although my son has been telling me for six months that "I will be
seeing you soon..." I did not feel like he was telling me "when" he
would be here.
And when someone says they'll see you soon and years
go by, you don't say that they kept their word.
In the same way, since Christ taught that He would
return soon and according to you, hasn't shown up
for 2,000 years, He hasn't kept His word either.
Aaaaay and it could well be He don't exist !
But that thought never crosses your mind does it?
Which of us is brainwashed - you or me?
2,000 years does not equal "soon" and this "God time"
garbage is just that... garbage! God doesn't have
time, so there is no such thing as "God time".
God communicated with man and gave man time frames
that humans could understand.
A lie. No god did anything of the sort. All we have, on very poor and
suspect record, is what a handful of men 'claim' a god said.
Very much a different thing, unless, of course, you are brain wahsed
And when we look through our Bibles, we see that every
time that God gave man a time frame, He stuck to it
and there was no, "Oh, I know I said soon and I'm sorry
that thousands of years have gone by, I was busy and
I really meant, 'God time' anyway.".
ROFL
When God gives a time frame, He sticks to it and He
did with the 70 weeks. There is no break there. And
He did when He said He would be back within their
generation.
Either He came "soon" from a human
perspective, or He broke His word, since God gave
us words that we speak. It's that simple and the idea
that God communicates to man using human words
and does so using some "Opposite of what I'm saying"
secret code that He didn't even tell us He was using,
is also ridiculous!
That would be ridiculous!
Unless, of course, you are brain washed
--
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
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