"stelian" <usenet@stelian.tk> wrote in message
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All great religions have a God with unlimited powers. A characteristic of

God is that

he always transcends time. There are countless examples in the Bible. God

knew that

the pharaon wouldn't give his approval to Moses. Jesus knew he would be

betrayed.

Truly, if you ask any religious person is his God can foresee future, the

answer will

always be yes.
God is a full-blown quadridimensional being, unlike us who can only

"fall"

uncontrolled in the fourth dimension.
So my question is, doesn't that make all actions of God incomprehensible

by a human

being?

Only if God doesn't explain them to us. But he has given explanations to us
in the Bible, which was written by God specifically to explain his character
and actions to us.

What can "God's Great Plan" mean when He already knows the outcome? What

was

the purpose behind Jesus' temptation, the tree in the Garden of Eden, the

request to

Abraham, all these actions are of a chalenge-respose type. Why make the

challenges

when you already know the result? What does that make of our free will?

God's plan is revealed in the Bible. He acts to display his truth, glory,
justice, mercy, power, wrath, goodness, beauty, etc., by orchestrating the
events of the universe to fulfill those purposes He is enjoying himself, and
he has created a people whose purpose is to enjoy him.

More important, I want to know what was the reason behind the creation

of the

world. To extend the multidimensional interpretation, I can make an

analogy with a

2-dimensinal painting. Humans are like ants (only flatter :) that roam on

the

painting seeing one color at a time. The author of the painting can step

back and

look at the static painting. Static because all the history is known by

God, and it's

determined by his inspiration and choice of colors. Why paint the picture

when you

already know how it looks like?

Because God enjoys the act of painting as well as the act of looking at the
painting.

Our lives are predetermined and nothing we do can change anything,

because God

planed our very actions. My writing this message or killing my neighbor

was a thing

God knew and foreseen when he created the world.

Nevertheless, if you do those things it's a fact that you wanted to do them.
Your will was to do them. You are therefore a responsible agent.

If he wanted to change it he could,
because, as you know, there is no chaos. The world, like a huge

deterministic

computer, cannot generate truly random events. You will always get the

same output

from the same input.

But God has an unlimited collection of unique "inputs" to choose from.

The Brownian motion? Ha! The position and speed of every
particle in the universe are known by God - it would be blasphemy to

suggest

otherwise. More importantly, they are functions of the same variables at

t(0), and

God is the only one who controlled them.

True. However, God does use secondary causes as tools to accomplish some of
his ends. Not that secondary causes are "ultimately" causal - they are
themselves really only effects - but they nevertheless act as temporary
causal links in chains of events.

I'm not saying this is a proof of the nonexistence of God. It's rather a

proof that

his existence or nonexistence is irrelevant, because the painting is

already painted.

Humans cannot relate to an [other than three]-dimensional entity, notions

like

thought, reason, actions, motives cannot be applied to such entities.

This last paragraph is inconsistent with your previous statements. You have
been speaking of God and exploring highly significant questions about him,
yet you now "conclude" that his existence is irrelevant? It does not follow.