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06 Mar 2004 12:10:22 AM |
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Re: Methods of Talmud Falsification S_0229 |
(Yitzchak Goodman) wrote in message news:<c338b5c0.0402290306.13d44653@posting.google.com>...
SAMPLE TECHNIQUES OF TALMUD FALSIFICATION
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The lists of falsified "quotes" from the Talmud that appear
on the websites neo-Nazis and other types of anti-Semites employ
several methods of falsification. Here are some examples:
(Quotes are enclosed on square brackets--my comments are in
parentheses)
...
H. ACCURATE QUOTE ACCOMPANIED BY FALSE STATEMENT AS TO WHAT IT MEANS
From: http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/america_2.html
[Begin quote]
Female Homosexuality
But what of female homosexuality?
GEMARA. ... Women who practise lewdness with one another are
disqualified from marrying a priest.
-- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Yebamoth 76a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 512 - 513
The same statement appears in Shabbath 65a, page 311. The ruling,
then, is only that a woman who "commits lewdness" with another
is disqualified from marrying a priest. Thus a woman who never had
ambitions to marry a priest suffers no sanction for her homosexual activity.
{End quote]
(Carol Valentine, the author of the above, is making a patently
absurd deduction--apparently her specialty. How does she know that
this is all the Talmudic sages have to say about the subject?
Guess she looked, same as you would, Ditzy -- I mean, Yitzy.
In fact, in the Toras Kohanim, Vayikra 18:3,
That's not a Talmud book, Yitzy. You promised to talk about Talmud
books.
Lesbian sex in general
is included in the prohibition of engaging in the corrupt practices
of Egypt. This is the basis for the ruling in Maimonides Isurei
Biah 21:8 and in the later codes.)
Maimonides did not write the Talmud, Yitzy. He missed the big event
by several hundred years. The Talmud is the word of G-d. Maimonides
is just a clever interpreter.
Anyway, Maimonides was a woman-hater, just like the ancient rabbis.
Maimonides made the private acts of women out to be crimes, while the
ancient rabbis thought women were so little in control of themselves,
it hardly mattered what they did -- they are human cattle, like
Gentiles. None of the ancient rabbis ever addressed women as
conscious people.
Hope you enjoyed it,
Yitz
Yech.
--Slade
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06 Mar 2004 09:47:43 PM |
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"Slade Farney" <sfarney@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Maimonides did not write the Talmud, Yitzy. He missed the big event
by several hundred years. The Talmud is the word of G-d. Maimonides
is just a clever interpreter.
The talmud is not "the word of God" as we explained the last time you posted
this assertion. You are unable to read the talmud but continue to make the
same false claim even after people who *can* read the talmud have corrected
you on numerous occasions.
Anyway, Maimonides was a woman-hater, just like the ancient rabbis.
Anyway, Slade Farney is just a Jew-hater, who is as clueless about
Maimonides as he is about the talmud.
Yech.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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06 Mar 2004 11:10:50 PM |
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"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Slade Farney" <sfarney@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Maimonides did not write the Talmud, Yitzy. He missed the big event
by several hundred years. The Talmud is the word of G-d. Maimonides
is just a clever interpreter.
The talmud is not "the word of God" as we explained the last time you
posted
this assertion. You are unable to read the talmud but continue to make the
same false claim even after people who *can* read the talmud have
corrected
you on numerous occasions.
Anyway, Maimonides was a woman-hater,
ROTFLOLHMSWTIME!!!
just like the ancient rabbis.
Oh, this is even finnier!!
Anyway, Slade Farney is just a Jew-hater,
& a projectionist, like the rest.
Susan
who is as clueless about
Maimonides as he is about the talmud.
Yech.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
snip rubbish
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| User: "Slade Farney" |
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07 Mar 2004 01:24:54 AM |
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"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message news:<zXw2c.24019$Az1.9876@news01.roc.ny>...
"Slade Farney" <sfarney@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Maimonides did not write the Talmud, Yitzy. He missed the big event
by several hundred years. The Talmud is the word of G-d. Maimonides
is just a clever interpreter.
The talmud is not "the word of God" as we explained the last time you posted
this assertion. You are unable to read the talmud but continue to make the
same false claim even after people who *can* read the talmud have corrected
you on numerous occasions.
Cindy, it is obvious that you and your colleagues will say anything at
all, true or false, to counter your opponents. You have never cited
your own credentials here, so we have no reason to believe you have
rabbinical training. Furthermore, you do not qualify your statements
by telling us which branch of Judaism you subscribe to.
If you want credibility, don't just make statements on your own
authority. Tell us which publication, author, etc. you are citing and
why you believe them.
For example, Rabbi Adin Even-Yisrael (Steinsaltz) is a Chabad Hasid
rabbi, winner of the Israel prize, and world famous for establishing a
number of Talmud schools and for a Talmud translation in his own name
"The Steinsaltz Edition."
http://www.fact-index.com/a/ad/adin_steinsaltz.html
In "The Essential Talmud," New York, Basic Books, 1976., pages 6-7, he
twice calls the Talmud the "words of the living God."
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One of the great historical controversies was that between the methods
of the "houses" (schools) of Shammai and Hillel, which lasted for more
than a century. It was eventually resolved in the famous dictum: "Both
are the words of the living God, and the decision is in accordance
with the House of Hillel." The fact that one method is preferred does
not mean that the other is based on a misconception. It, too, is an
expression of creativity and of "the words of the living God." When
one of the sages ventured to say a certain theory was not to his
liking, he was scolded by his colleagues, who informed him that it was
wrong to say of Torah, "This is good and this is not." Such a view
analogous to the case of the scientist who is not permitted to say
that a certain creature seems to him "unappealing." This does not mean
to imply that evaluations (even of appeal) should never be made; they
should, however, be based on consciousness of the fact that no man the
right to judge or to determine that a certain object lacks beauty from
the purely objective point of view.
-- Rabbi Steinsaltz, in the Forward for "The Essential Talmud", pages
6, 7
Anyway, Maimonides was a woman-hater, just like the ancient rabbis.
Anyway, Slade Farney is just a Jew-hater, who is as clueless about
Maimonides as he is about the talmud.
It always comes "hate", doesn't it? Are you a Muslim hater or a
Christian hater? A Republican hater or a Democrat hater? Is it
possible to oppose the atrocities of Judaism, KGB, Scientology, or the
royal family of England without hating the people? That is a serious
question you really should address. Otherwise, you invite people to
view you as a paranoid.
I oppose Judaism because I find their doctrines and political
practices are among the most egregious in the world. From the Old
Testament on down, their record for number and variety of crimes
against humanity exceed all other cultures. I got nothing against you
personally, except that you sign onto, excuse, support, and
propagandize your wicked culture. You would probably be a very nice
person had you been brought up with a different set of beliefs.
--Slade
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| User: "cindys" |
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07 Mar 2004 10:56:58 AM |
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"Slade Farney" <sfarney@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Slade Farney" <sfarney@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Maimonides did not write the Talmud, Yitzy. He missed the big event
by several hundred years. The Talmud is the word of G-d. Maimonides
is just a clever interpreter.
The talmud is not "the word of God" as we explained the last time you
posted
this assertion. You are unable to read the talmud but continue to make
the
same false claim even after people who *can* read the talmud have
corrected
you on numerous occasions.
Cindy, it is obvious that you and your colleagues will say anything at
all, true or false, to counter your opponents.
What opponents? A document is either the word of God or it's not. In the
case of the written torah, it is. In the case of the talmud it's not. If the
talmud were the word of God, why wouldn't I say so?
You have never cited
your own credentials here, so we have no reason to believe you have
rabbinical training.
It doesn't take a rabbi to know that the talmud isn't *the word of God.* I
have never heard anybody (Jew or otherwise) make such a silly claim except
you.
Furthermore, you do not qualify your statements
by telling us which branch of Judaism you subscribe to.
It's irrelevant. No *branch* of Judaism believes that the talmud is the
*word of God.*
If you want credibility, don't just make statements on your own
authority. Tell us which publication, author, etc. you are citing and
why you believe them.
I don't need to *cite* a publication. I learn talmud everyday. Perhaps *you*
should cite for us what are *your* qualifications to state that the talmud,
a book which you are unable to read, *is* the word of God. Lol.
For example, Rabbi Adin Even-Yisrael (Steinsaltz) is a Chabad Hasid
rabbi, winner of the Israel prize, and world famous for establishing a
number of Talmud schools and for a Talmud translation in his own name
"The Steinsaltz Edition."
http://www.fact-index.com/a/ad/adin_steinsaltz.html
In "The Essential Talmud," New York, Basic Books, 1976., pages 6-7, he
twice calls the Talmud the "words of the living God."
Here's the way Rabbi Steinsaltz defines "talmud" at that website:
The Talmud (??????) is considered an authoritative record of rabbinic
discussions on Jewish laws, ethics, customs, legends and stories. It expands
on the earlier writings in the Torah and Mishnah, and is the basis for all
later codes of Jewish law).
Looky there, Slade! Rabbi Steinsaltz says the talmud is "an authoritative
record of rabbinic discussions of Jewish law..." etc. Yes, I would agree
with Rabbi Steinsaltz: The talmud is indeed an authoritative record of
rabbinic discussions. Since I learn talmud everyday, I would agree that this
description is entirely accurate. The talmud expands and explains torah (the
words of the God).
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One of the great historical controversies was that between the methods
of the "houses" (schools) of Shammai and Hillel, which lasted for more
than a century. It was eventually resolved in the famous dictum: "Both
are the words of the living God, and the decision is in accordance
with the House of Hillel." The fact that one method is preferred does
not mean that the other is based on a misconception. It, too, is an
expression of creativity and of "the words of the living God." When
one of the sages ventured to say a certain theory was not to his
liking, he was scolded by his colleagues, who informed him that it was
wrong to say of Torah, "This is good and this is not." Such a view
analogous to the case of the scientist who is not permitted to say
that a certain creature seems to him "unappealing." This does not mean
to imply that evaluations (even of appeal) should never be made; they
should, however, be based on consciousness of the fact that no man the
right to judge or to determine that a certain object lacks beauty from
the purely objective point of view.
I'm not sure why you cut and pasted the above as it is not related to this
discussion at all. I can only conclude that you haven't a clue as to what
any of it means.
snip crap
I oppose Judaism because I find their doctrines and political
practices are among the most egregious in the world.
You *oppose*. Lol. You and your opinions are irrelevant to Jews. Jews and
Judaism will still be around long after you are dead.
From the Old
Testament on down, their record for number and variety of crimes
against humanity exceed all other cultures. I got nothing against you
personally, except that you sign onto, excuse, support, and
propagandize your wicked culture. You would probably be a very nice
person had you been brought up with a different set of beliefs.
You have nothing against me personally but you know I'm not a nice person?
But I would have been nice if I had been brought up with different beliefs?
I can't help but wonder how you would have been had you not been raised to
be an antisemitic bigot.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
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07 Mar 2004 11:04:43 AM |
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"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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you have
For example, Rabbi Adin Even-Yisrael (Steinsaltz) is a Chabad Hasid
rabbi, winner of the Israel prize, and world famous for establishing a
number of Talmud schools and for a Talmud translation in his own name
"The Steinsaltz Edition."
http://www.fact-index.com/a/ad/adin_steinsaltz.html
In "The Essential Talmud," New York, Basic Books, 1976., pages 6-7, he
twice calls the Talmud the "words of the living God."
Here's the way Rabbi Steinsaltz defines "talmud" at that website:
The Talmud (??????) is considered an authoritative record of rabbinic
discussions on Jewish laws, ethics, customs, legends and stories. It
expands
on the earlier writings in the Torah and Mishnah, and is the basis for all
later codes of Jewish law).
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For the record, the reason the word Talmud is followed by (??????) because
at the website the word in parentheses was the word talmud written in Hebrew
which apparently usenet didn't understand/transfer. Rabbi Steinsaltz's
statement did not contain these question marks.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
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06 Mar 2004 11:48:53 PM |
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(Slade Farney) wrote in message news:<abe991f.0403052210.5caff51@posting.google.com>...
yitzgood@lycos.com (Yitzchak Goodman) wrote in message news:<c338b5c0.0402290306.13d44653@posting.google.com>...
SAMPLE TECHNIQUES OF TALMUD FALSIFICATION
*****************************************
The lists of falsified "quotes" from the Talmud that appear
on the websites neo-Nazis and other types of anti-Semites employ
several methods of falsification. Here are some examples:
(Quotes are enclosed on square brackets--my comments are in
parentheses)
...
H. ACCURATE QUOTE ACCOMPANIED BY FALSE STATEMENT AS TO WHAT IT MEANS
From: http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/america_2.html
[Begin quote]
Female Homosexuality
But what of female homosexuality?
GEMARA. ... Women who practise lewdness with one another are
disqualified from marrying a priest.
-- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Yebamoth 76a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 512 - 513
The same statement appears in Shabbath 65a, page 311. The ruling,
then, is only that a woman who "commits lewdness" with another
is disqualified from marrying a priest. Thus a woman who never had
ambitions to marry a priest suffers no sanction for her homosexual activity.
{End quote]
(Carol Valentine, the author of the above, is making a patently
absurd deduction--apparently her specialty. How does she know that
this is all the Talmudic sages have to say about the subject?
Guess she looked, same as you would, Ditzy -- I mean, Yitzy.
In fact, in the Toras Kohanim, Vayikra 18:3,
That's not a Talmud book, Yitzy. You promised to talk about Talmud
books.
The reader is invited to scroll up and see
that I referred to the "Talmudic sages."
Why don't you look up the Sifra (or "Toras
Kohanim" or "Torat Kohanim") and get
back to me.
Lesbian sex in general
is included in the prohibition of engaging in the corrupt practices
of Egypt. This is the basis for the ruling in Maimonides Isurei
Biah 21:8 and in the later codes.)
Maimonides did not write the Talmud, Yitzy. He missed the big event
by several hundred years. The Talmud is the word of G-d. Maimonides
is just a clever interpreter.
I cited him because he is an obvious reference
point for someone who is talking about
practical rulings. Jewish law draws on
other compilations of teachings from
the Talmudic sages in addition to
the Talmud Bavli. Maimonides codifies
all this material. If you want to
quote the Talmud in Shabbos and Yevamos
that women who do such and such are
disqulified from marrying Kohanim,
then fine, you can quote them.
If you want to say that this is
the only restriction that such
women are subject to, then you
have moved the discussion to a
totally different level. You have to
have all the relevant legal material
ready to hand or rely on someone else
who does, such as Maimonides. Otherwise,
you are failing to show even the
most basic understanding of what
the Talmud is and what it is used
for.
Anyway, Maimonides was a woman-hater, just like the ancient rabbis.
Maimonides made the private acts of women out to be crimes, while the
ancient rabbis thought women were so little in control of themselves,
it hardly mattered what they did -- they are human cattle, like
Gentiles. None of the ancient rabbis ever addressed women as
conscious people.
If they did or didn't, you wouldn't know about it.
Yitz
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| User: "Slade Farney" |
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07 Mar 2004 01:31:26 PM |
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(Yitzchak Goodman) wrote in message news:<c338b5c0.0403062148.1bd31f07@posting.google.com>...
sfarney@bigfoot.com (Slade Farney) wrote in message news:<abe991f.0403052210.5caff51@posting.google.com>...
(Yitzchak Goodman) wrote in message news:<c338b5c0.0402290306.13d44653@posting.google.com>...
SAMPLE TECHNIQUES OF TALMUD FALSIFICATION
*****************************************
The lists of falsified "quotes" from the Talmud that appear
on the websites neo-Nazis and other types of anti-Semites employ
several methods of falsification. Here are some examples:
(Quotes are enclosed on square brackets--my comments are in
parentheses)
...
H. ACCURATE QUOTE ACCOMPANIED BY FALSE STATEMENT AS TO WHAT IT MEANS
From: http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/america_2.html
[Begin quote]
Female Homosexuality
But what of female homosexuality?
GEMARA. ... Women who practise lewdness with one another are
disqualified from marrying a priest.
-- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Yebamoth 76a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 512 - 513
The same statement appears in Shabbath 65a, page 311. The ruling,
then, is only that a woman who "commits lewdness" with another
is disqualified from marrying a priest. Thus a woman who never had
ambitions to marry a priest suffers no sanction for her homosexual
activity.
{End quote]
(Carol Valentine, the author of the above, is making a patently
absurd deduction--apparently her specialty. How does she know that
this is all the Talmudic sages have to say about the subject?
Guess she looked, same as you would, Ditzy -- I mean, Yitzy.
In fact, in the Toras Kohanim, Vayikra 18:3,
That's not a Talmud book, Yitzy. You promised to talk about Talmud
books.
The reader is invited to scroll up and see
that I referred to the "Talmudic sages."
Why don't you look up the Sifra (or "Toras
Kohanim" or "Torat Kohanim") and get
back to me.
Maimonides lived AFTER the Talmud -- the Mishna and Gemera in the
Babylonian Talmud -- was closed and committed to writing. Maimonides
commented on the Talmud, as do many rabbis, but he is no more a Talmud
sage than YOU are.
But your subject line for this thread tells it all. The subject is
NOT Talmud sages or any other dodge -- the subject of this discussion
is "Talmud Falsification". If Maimonides says something other than
what the Talmud says, that's nice, but then Maimonides is not just
codifying the Talmud -- he is adding his own opinions.
That may be Kosher, but it sure ain't Talmud.
Lesbian sex in general
is included in the prohibition of engaging in the corrupt practices
of Egypt. This is the basis for the ruling in Maimonides Isurei
Biah 21:8 and in the later codes.)
Maimonides did not write the Talmud, Yitzy. He missed the big event
by several hundred years. The Talmud is the word of G-d. Maimonides
is just a clever interpreter.
I cited him because he is an obvious reference
point for someone who is talking about
practical rulings.
Not the subject Yitzy. The subject is the TALMUD.
Jewish law draws on
other compilations of teachings from
the Talmudic sages in addition to
the Talmud Bavli.
But the subject is the TALMUD, Yitzy. You started it, now you are
stuck with it.
Maimonides codifies
all this material.
-- and adds a little of his own, too, which you prefer. But let us
discuss the TALMUD, as you started out to do.
If you want to
quote the Talmud in Shabbos and Yevamos
that women who do such and such are
disqulified from marrying Kohanim,
then fine, you can quote them.
Thank you.
If you want to say that this is
the only restriction that such
women are subject to, then you
have moved the discussion to a
totally different level.
You are welcome to give a Talmud cite that proves Carol Valentine is
wrong. That would save your bacon on this point.
You have to
have all the relevant legal material
ready to hand or rely on someone else
who does, such as Maimonides. Otherwise,
you are failing to show even the
most basic understanding of what
the Talmud is and what it is used
for.
Just spare the smoke and rumbles, and give us a Talmud cite, Yitzy.
Anyway, Maimonides was a woman-hater, just like the ancient rabbis.
Maimonides made the private acts of women out to be crimes, while the
ancient rabbis thought women were so little in control of themselves,
it hardly mattered what they did -- they are human cattle, like
Gentiles. None of the ancient rabbis ever addressed women as
conscious people.
If they did or didn't, you wouldn't know about it.
Now don't get all huffy. Consider it an opportunity for you to give
us ANOTHER Talmud cite, Yitzy. Come on, if Carol Valentine is wrong,
you can do it.
I have an idea: Why don't you cite from the Soncino Talmud text at
http://come-and-hear.com/
That way, it is visible for all our readers, and they can see your
cite in context! Fair enough?
Yitz
Yech.
--Slade
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| User: "Yitzchak Goodman" |
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07 Mar 2004 02:22:21 AM |
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Slade Farney wrote:
"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message news:<zXw2c.24019$Az1.9876@news01.roc.ny>...
"Slade Farney" <sfarney@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Maimonides did not write the Talmud, Yitzy. He missed the big event
by several hundred years. The Talmud is the word of G-d. Maimonides
is just a clever interpreter.
The talmud is not "the word of God" as we explained the last time you posted
this assertion. You are unable to read the talmud but continue to make the
same false claim even after people who *can* read the talmud have corrected
you on numerous occasions.
Cindy, it is obvious that you and your colleagues will say anything at
all, true or false, to counter your opponents. You have never cited
your own credentials here, so we have no reason to believe you have
rabbinical training. Furthermore, you do not qualify your statements
by telling us which branch of Judaism you subscribe to.
If you want credibility, don't just make statements on your own
authority. Tell us which publication, author, etc. you are citing and
why you believe them.
For example, Rabbi Adin Even-Yisrael (Steinsaltz) is a Chabad Hasid
rabbi, winner of the Israel prize, and world famous for establishing a
number of Talmud schools and for a Talmud translation in his own name
"The Steinsaltz Edition."
http://www.fact-index.com/a/ad/adin_steinsaltz.html
In "The Essential Talmud," New York, Basic Books, 1976., pages 6-7, he
twice calls the Talmud the "words of the living God."
=======
One of the great historical controversies was that between the methods
of the "houses" (schools) of Shammai and Hillel, which lasted for more
than a century. It was eventually resolved in the famous dictum: "Both
are the words of the living God, and the decision is in accordance
with the House of Hillel."
He is quoting Eruvin 13b, and he tells you
what anyone who is familiar with the
statement already knows: that it refers
to the teachings of Beis Hillel and
Beis Shammai. If you are trying to
distinguish between the Talmud Bavli
and the Mishneh Torah in terms of
Divine inspiration or authority
or whatever, I don't think
this statement is directly
relevant.
Yitz
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07 Mar 2004 06:04:26 PM |
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"Yitzchak Goodman" <yitzgood@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Slade Farney wrote:
"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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Maimonides did not write the Talmud, Yitzy. He missed the big event
by several hundred years. The Talmud is the word of G-d. Maimonides
is just a clever interpreter.
The talmud is not "the word of God" as we explained the last time you
posted
this assertion. You are unable to read the talmud but continue to make
the
same false claim even after people who *can* read the talmud have
corrected
you on numerous occasions.
Cindy, it is obvious that you and your colleagues will say anything at
all, true or false, to counter your opponents.
As always, bigots project.
You have never cited
your own credentials here, so we have no reason to believe you have
rabbinical training.
But this bigot has training? Credentials of any kind?
Furthermore, you do not qualify your statements
by telling us which branch of Judaism you subscribe to.
And what bias does this bigot have?
Well, we already know.
If you want credibility, don't just make statements on your own
authority.
Look what's talking.
Tell us which publication, author, etc. you are citing and
why you believe them.
Again.> >
For example, Rabbi Adin Even-Yisrael (Steinsaltz) is a Chabad Hasid
rabbi, winner of the Israel prize, and world famous for establishing a
number of Talmud schools and for a Talmud translation in his own name
"The Steinsaltz Edition."
http://www.fact-index.com/a/ad/adin_steinsaltz.html
In "The Essential Talmud," New York, Basic Books, 1976., pages 6-7, he
twice calls the Talmud the "words of the living God."
Which doesn't mean that the lies the bigot dredges up are such.
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One of the great historical controversies was that between the methods
of the "houses" (schools) of Shammai and Hillel, which lasted for more
than a century. It was eventually resolved in the famous dictum: "Both
are the words of the living God, and the decision is in accordance
with the House of Hillel."
He is quoting Eruvin 13b, and he tells you
what anyone who is familiar with the
statement already knows: that it refers
to the teachings of Beis Hillel and
Beis Shammai. If you are trying to
distinguish between the Talmud Bavli
and the Mishneh Torah in terms of
Divine inspiration or authority
or whatever, I don't think
this statement is directly
relevant.
It isn't relevent to what he *is* trying to "distinguish", either.
Susan
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