How can anyone moderate an unmoderated newsgroup?

When the vision and calling is to pastor an online church, which has not
been revoked (as far as I know).

Carl wrote:

"freefall" <free@fa.ll> wrote in message
news:free-601292.18253417072007@johnf2.biosci.ohio-state.edu...

Now WHICH of the two groups is REALLY trying to moderate ACC?

How can anyone moderate an unmoderated newsgroup?

How? by intimidation and manipulation, as practiced by Griz, Vera and
their Cult in 03-04, and more recently by freefall (psalmsmith/Gunny
Freedom) and Vera's Gang of thugs (most notably Randy and baba).

--------------------------------

Who is the Sock Puppet "freefall"?

Who was the Sockpuppet "Clay Jar" and why did they find it necessary to
assume a false identity (sock puppet,"NIC") to engage in the Griz Cult
Flame War?


It is disappointing that Brian has returned to ACC to resume his
behavior as a member of the Griz Cult.
(http://tinyurl.com/yjnajw)

It is disappointing that psalmsmith has returned to ACC to resume his
behavior as a member of the Griz Cult.
http://tinyurl.com/2tnrbu Sock puppet exposed!
http://tinyurl.com/2o6fbw Example 1.
http://tinyurl.com/2pyvm9 Example 2.


It is certainly sad, if not unexpected, that some members of the Griz
Cult are again attempting to retaliate against those who resisted their
cult. "psalmsmith," aka freefall and Gunny Freedom is the most recent.

It is actually not unexpected, that members and former members of the
Cult's "Building crew" would attempt to revive that war... After all,
Vera has done so.

For those reasons, and since others (Randy, aka "pulpitfire:) have dug
into the trash to resurrect false accusations and lies from that Flame
War, it would certainly be educational for any poster or reader of this
NG to do a little reading into the history of the ACC "Griz Cult" Flame
War.

Not only would this be beneficial because you, the reader, would have an
idea of who the members of that cult were, and are -- if their present
conduct is any indicator -- but, more importantly, you will also learn
who the Cult's victims were, and who resisted Griz, Vera and "the
Building Crew" Cult.

Another benefit would be in learning the tactics and methods used by the
members of the Cult in their effort to force posters out of the NG when
they would not agree with the "Building Crew's" ideas.

So... To begin:

Brian Garrison,
a member of the Griz Cult
A member of the "building crew"
and sockpuppet "Clay Jar" (Jars?)

http://tinyurl.com/w66vt
Note that "justabranch" is/may be Brian Garrison,
or is Brian Garrison actually "Last Days of Earth" AND "justabranch" AND
psalmsmith?

(Well, as Alice said, "curiouser and curiouser..."
If, or not, both sock puppets are the same individual...


Brian + sockpuppet
Quote:
"Well said, here, here! Yes sockpuppet land is the only safe place for
me for the time being. ... The term "Building Crew" was first used by
Brian Garrison. ...
end quote
http://tinyurl.com/yee2jm

Brian + "Clay Jar" or "jars"
http://tinyurl.com/sukbf
Quote Pablo:
"Yes, during the flame war - the worst in most everybody came rising to
the surface. even the peaceful and articulate brian garrison (sorry
brian i am not ringing up your past transgressions for any other purpose
but to make a point - as far as i am concerned you confessed and are
forgiven and loved as a brother always) tried his hand at being a sock
puppet - clay jars - which even fooled me during the flame war.

"The regular posters - and some intermitent posters (of regularly
dropping by status) - and just about everybody - got into some really
bad behavior once the flame war began.
end quote
http://tinyurl.com/y9337h
#137


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Examples of Cult conduct on ACC

It happened on ACC!
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=10240pepe8t9i84%40corp.supernews.com&oe=UTF-
8&output=gplain

http://tinyurl.com/zga4p

Examples of Ridicule
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=10251sms41a4m5a%40corp.supernews.com&oe=UTF-
8&output=gplain

http://tinyurl.com/f425f

Example of a Cult Gang Bang
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1024ll51et99la6%40corp.supernews.com&oe=UTF-
8&output=gplain

http://tinyurl.com/fbbt7

Some threads which will lead in interesting directions:

Subject: "Context"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=vvrhnn8ri5lqfd%40corp.supernews.com&oe=UTF-8
&output=gplain

http://tinyurl.com/qtyf2

Subject: "Control"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=vvpu94tj2ljce4%40corp.supernews.com&oe=UTF-8
&output=gplain

http://tinyurl.com/qjuzc


The Cult and False Prophets
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1025tcmh820otcf%40corp.supernews.com&oe=UTF-
8&output=gplain

http://tinyurl.com/ebhla

false prophets #1
http://tinyurl.com/nsq3y


false prophets #2
http://tinyurl.com/p6jr4


false prophets #3
http://tinyurl.com/gb3yz


Griz defense of False Prophecy
"Glenn McClary, Prophet Hunter" / the Thread
http://tinyurl.com/gzutc
[You will notice several things in this thread: First is the long
running confusion between the three Glenns, and regardless that
Glenn(Christian Mystic) seems to disregard the confusion, Glenn (Eric
(webTV)) and I (Glenn(bagman/oldwetdog)) have made more than one effort
as far back as 14Dec2003 to correct this issue. there are no posts by
"Glenn/owd" in the above thread.]


"Glenn McClary, Prophet Hunter" / the Griz Post,
http://www.google.com/groups?q=+looking+OR+for+OR+a+OR+false+OR+prophet+group:
alt.christnet.christianlife+author:griz&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_qdr=m&s
elm=vvojicn05u4n14%40corp.supernews.com&rnum=71

http://tinyurl.com/lxocg

My reply to Griz:
"This is an example of the sophistry practiced by Griz in
defense of false prophets..."

http://tinyurl.com/y3xboy
or try
http://tinyurl.com/y5ycba

Vera names her favorite false prophets!!
Vera posted "My favourite prophets here"
http://tinyurl.com/npdlv
(Note the spelling of "favorite" (Vera is German))

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It would certainly be a good idea for anyone to do a little research
about the things I and others have said.
To do this, go to...

http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en

For example, use in the fields --

Group: alt.christnet.christianlife

In the "subject" field: try "false prophet"
(or any "key word" or leave blank)

Date: try short date spans, otherwise you get too wide a responses
1Oct2003 to 31Jan2003, or 1Jan2004 to 1Feb 2004, etc.

Poster: "any, or leave blank)
Griz (Craig)
Vera aka, Vera Six, ::: vera ::: (Has replaced Griz.)
Pablo (changed his NIC often)
Cal (CBrown7281)
Mike Barefield (Sockpuppet, "Sower")
Ben mitts
Brian Garrison (Sockpuppet "Clay Jar(s)")
TBC/Aarons Rod (Now ~SoG, Rod of Arron, no longer a member.)
Frank

Jeannette/Abby (Try Jeannette first, then Abby)
Joy (JPF)
PureJoyAgain
Delightful (Faith)
Chayil
Feather Forestwalker (was not a member of the Griz Cult, now supports
Vera, Randy, Chuck, baba and freefall.)

You may also use the a poster's name in search terms to see what others
may have said of that poster...


Key Words (Search Terms, phrases):
"please leave"
"killfile"
"Plonk"
"building crew"
(or any variation, any or none)

For the best results, follow the results for a complete thread, or two,
and/or investigate the posts to and between two posters.

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Those who love Truth search for it; those who don't, don't.
owd


Glenn
His witness

Carl wrote:

"freefall" <f...@fa.ll> wrote in message
news:free-601292.18253417072007@johnf2.biosci.ohio-state.edu...

Now WHICH of the two groups is REALLY trying to moderate ACC?

How can anyone moderate an unmoderated newsgroup?

May God bless,
Carl
my website --http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog --http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/

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"When they shall say, "Peace, Peace, then sudden destruction shall come

upon them."

--
oldwetdog

A good warning Glenn. But where is Christ in your message?

Griz
--
What? All Scripture is not about Christ?
Scripture about the second coming of the Lord is *not* about Christ?

-----

Another of my posts which Griz did not like:

If you are not ready to die,
then you will die unprepared.

--
oldwetdog

An interesting message, but you seem to speak often of death and rarely
of Christ.

Griz
--
Now I ask, "Is part of the Gospel message, to be ready to face our God
and Judge?" I guess Griz is not ready, so he wants to eliminate the subject.
-----

And:

I had received good news about my site, and book, (twenty years in
labor) which is about the coming of the Lord. Griz was displeased and
posted:

Volume doesn't necessarily mean godliness. Remember, our focus is Christ.
Period.

If your site seeks to shift the focus off of Christ as you have done
repeatedly in your posts here, the there is no doubt that you are
attracting seekers of the sensational.

Griz

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Then in this next post, included in a list of quotes, I had, "There
shall be no peace. God" In scripture this is, "When they shall say,
'peace, peace, then sudden destruction shall come upon them." There is
another scripture that says, (paraphrase) "the false prophets mislead My
People and say 'Peace, peace,' when there shall be no peace."
So my statement/post is based on scripture, and is, in fact, bible
prophecy abut the coming of the Lord. But Griz did not like it:

Griz replied:
A disturbing message Glenn. Where is Christ?

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"Griz" wrote:

The only thing you have missed Glenn, is our correct focus in Christ and
not upon all the ploys of the devil who's only purpose is to get us
talking about ANYTHING other than Christ and His redemptive sacrifice so
that we might live.

Griz
-----

"Griz" wrote:

Has what you've shared - method, motive and mindset - been a truthful
representation of God's Word, Jesus Christ? He is our focus. If you
contradict him in what you share today, are you not also the false
prophet, misspeaking contrary to God's Living Word.

Our focus is Jesus.
--

Now I'm not absolutely certain, but it certainly seems to me that Griz
is hereby convicted by his own words, and, according to the scripture
which he continually misquotes, or interprets to suite his own purpose,
he shall receive the same judgment he gives.

But, that is not my problem. Actually, Griz is not my problem. Griz and
his judgment is in better hands. The question before every poster on ACC
today is, will you allow Griz to have control of the subject of your post.

The name of this NG is "Alt.Christnet.Christianlife." That is, there are
many ,many, many "ALT" groups. Of those, there many, many "Christnet"
groups. This news group is "Christianlife." According to the name of the
group, (Christianlife, and the reason I came here) any topic of concern
to a Christian engaged in living life as exampled by Christ is a proper
topic. Correct me if I'm mistaken: This would mean that "sex before
marriage" would be a proper topic-- (Which, by the way, I believe to be
a terrible mistake, aside from it being a sin. But, that's not the
point.) The point is, that any topic which any person feels important to
them in their Christain walk *IS ALLOWED* as an appropriate topic.

Griz does not think so.

You decide.

Glenn
His witness

--

http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
Note, the site at xprt.net will close 1Sept07 and open aswww.thelittlebookopened.org[Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog