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"James" |
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29 Jun 2007 11:06:22 AM |
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Re: name of God |
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Re: name of God
Exodus 34:6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The
LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, long-suffering, and
abundant in goodness and truth,
Hello,
Actually, the word "lord" was inserted there by translators and does
not belong there. What is found in the Hebrew writings here is the
Tetragrammaton. When translating it into other languages is becomes
different words, but the common one used in English is "Jehovah".
(some prefer the transliteration form "Yahweh", etc)
Thus some more accurate translations of Exodus 34:6 are as follows:
-- American Standard
Exodus 34:6 And Jehovah passed by before him, and proclaimed,
Jehovah, Jehovah, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and
abundant in lovingkindness and truth,
-- New World Translation
Exodus 34:6 And Jehovah went passing by before his face and
declaring: “Jehovah, Jehovah, a God merciful and gracious, slow to
anger and abundant in loving-kindness and truth,
Or if you prefer the transliteration:
-- New Jerusalem with Apocrypha
Exodus 34:6 Then Yahweh passed before him and called out, "Yahweh,
Yahweh, God of tenderness and compassion, slow to anger, rich in
faithful love and constancy,
Thus as you can see, the title "Lord" is not found in the Bible
writings here, and is a mistranslation. Like you and me, God has a
personal name not just a title. And true followers of God recognize
and use that name, just like Jesus did. John 17:26,
"I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in
order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself
may be in them."
Sincerely, James
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do not follow ng threads
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| User: "izzy" |
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| Title: Re: name of God |
29 Jun 2007 07:38:39 PM |
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From: "Israel \"izzy\" Cohen" <israel_and_yvettec@012.net.il>
Subject: [ABOUT WORDS] More under god - IIa
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:27:24 +0200
In-Reply-To: <c4.87ac377.2d9620a7@aol.com>
Dear Robert, Dale, Bruce, Fred, Bob, et al. --
Izzy please jump right on this one.
(Almost) needless to say, an essential element of Judaism is the
belief
in the Oneness of God. This is expressed in the "Shema" which is
usually
translated as "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One."
In Hebrew this is a 5-7-5 haiku:
She-Ma YiS-Ra-eL
a-Do-Noi eL-o-Hei-Nu
a-Do-Noi e-KHaD
The eL-o-Hei-Nu in this affirmation is based on a plural form: eLoHiM.
The usage of this plural form is usually explained as analogous to the
"royal we", or as GrampsQ might prefer, the "editorial we".
The meaning(s) of the words used to refer to God is one of the
most-written-about topics on the web. It will be interesting to see if
the US Supreme Court contributes to this corpus/body of literature.
I'll end with my own (unique) contribution, an etymological insight
into
the "meaning" of the tetragrammaton yod-heh-vav-heh YHVH or YHWH.
Today the yod is a partial velar pronounced as Y, but it is often
found
in words whose cognates contain a full velar G/K-sound... and
sometimes
a CR sound as in CReDit < yod-dalet YoD = hand (let's give him a big
hand) and CReaTor < (are you sitting down?) yod-heh = GoD (as
explained
below).
The vav is today usually sounded as a vowel oh or oo and sometimes as
a
consonantal V. Compare the Latin V-shape. However, the consonantal vav
is found as a cognate of words with an F-sound, e.g., Hebrew (from
Greek) VeSeT = phase (of moon), regulator (faucet). With a het-W
parallel, Hebrew het-vav-heh XaVaH = Eve, the WiFe of Adam.
Finally, it seems the Hebrew heh originally had a DH sound, a
combination of dalet+heh. When it lost that sound to become a H
breathing sound, many Hebrew words were re-spelled with a dalet (pure
D). That makes Hebrew DaG = fish a reversed cognate of Greek
ichth(os).
In Greek, the same sound-change usually resulted in words that now
have
an H breathing sound. So we have the following cognates:
Hebrew DaM = blood Greek HeMo-
?aDaM = man HoMo
mDaMem = bleed HyMen (which bleeds the first time)
?aDaMah = ground, earth Latin HuMus
Using all of the above sound-changes, YH+VH would have sounded
somewhat
like G/K Dh + F Dh, that is, a Father-God (creator). Compare JuH-
PiTer.
(Almost) needless to say, the concept of the Jewish God has evolved
over
time so, in this sense, one can say that the God of Adam did not have
exactly the same "meaning" as the God of Abraham or the God of Moses
or
the God of the later prophets or (as Reconstructionist Judaism would
say) the Jewish God of today.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the US Supreme Court has
to
say about the God of today. As my first boss was fond of saying
"Tomorrow is another day."
Voltaire said: "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent
him." and in "The Social Contract", Jean Rousseau wrote: "If God did
not
exist, we humans would have to invent him." For a contrary
(militant ?)
viewpoint, the author of http://www.mrlizard.com/evolution.html
says: "If God did exist -- we would have to destroy him."
Dosh kham = warm regards,
Israel "izzy" Cohen
Post-script:
The thought that "creator" is cognate with Hebrew yod-heh YaH first
occurred to me while I was composing this email. IMHO this is not a
completely trivial insight.
I had previously determined that Latin cred- as in credit was cognate
with Greek kudos and Hebrew yod-dalet YoD = hand. The Hebrew term is
often used in the name of memorials in honor of whoever. But I had
never
previously realized that creator was cognate with yod-heh anciently
YoDh
= God. So, thanks to you guys for giving me this insight.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: name of God |
29 Jun 2007 10:10:24 PM |
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On Jun 29, 8:38 pm, izzy <cohen.i...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: "Israel \"izzy\" Cohen" <israel_and_yvet...@012.net.il>
Subject: [ABOUT WORDS] More under god - IIa
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:27:24 +0200
In-Reply-To: <c4.87ac377.2d9620a7@aol.com>
Dear Robert, Dale, Bruce, Fred, Bob, et al. --
Izzy please jump right on this one.
(Almost) needless to say, an essential element of Judaism is the
belief
in the Oneness of God. This is expressed in the "Shema" which is
usually
translated as "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One."
In Hebrew this is a 5-7-5 haiku:
She-Ma YiS-Ra-eL
a-Do-Noi eL-o-Hei-Nu
a-Do-Noi e-KHaD
The eL-o-Hei-Nu in this affirmation is based on a plural form: eLoHiM.
The usage of this plural form is usually explained as analogous to the
"royal we", or as GrampsQ might prefer, the "editorial we".
The meaning(s) of the words used to refer to God is one of the
most-written-about topics on the web. It will be interesting to see if
the US Supreme Court contributes to this corpus/body of literature.
I'll end with my own (unique) contribution, an etymological insight
into
the "meaning" of the tetragrammaton yod-heh-vav-heh YHVH or YHWH.
Today the yod is a partial velar pronounced as Y, but it is often
found
in words whose cognates contain a full velar G/K-sound... and
sometimes
a CR sound as in CReDit < yod-dalet YoD = hand (let's give him a big
hand) and CReaTor < (are you sitting down?) yod-heh = GoD (as
explained
below).
The vav is today usually sounded as a vowel oh or oo and sometimes as
a
consonantal V. Compare the Latin V-shape. However, the consonantal vav
is found as a cognate of words with an F-sound, e.g., Hebrew (from
Greek) VeSeT = phase (of moon), regulator (faucet). With a het-W
parallel, Hebrew het-vav-heh XaVaH = Eve, the WiFe of Adam.
Finally, it seems the Hebrew heh originally had a DH sound, a
combination of dalet+heh. When it lost that sound to become a H
breathing sound, many Hebrew words were re-spelled with a dalet (pure
D). That makes Hebrew DaG = fish a reversed cognate of Greek
ichth(os).
In Greek, the same sound-change usually resulted in words that now
have
an H breathing sound. So we have the following cognates:
Hebrew DaM = blood Greek HeMo-
?aDaM = man HoMo
mDaMem = bleed HyMen (which bleeds the first time)
?aDaMah = ground, earth Latin HuMus
Using all of the above sound-changes, YH+VH would have sounded
somewhat
like G/K Dh + F Dh, that is, a Father-God (creator). Compare JuH-
PiTer.
(Almost) needless to say, the concept of the Jewish God has evolved
over
time so, in this sense, one can say that the God of Adam did not have
exactly the same "meaning" as the God of Abraham or the God of Moses
or
the God of the later prophets or (as Reconstructionist Judaism would
say) the Jewish God of today.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the US Supreme Court has
to
say about the God of today. As my first boss was fond of saying
"Tomorrow is another day."
Voltaire said: "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent
him." and in "The Social Contract", Jean Rousseau wrote: "If God did
not
exist, we humans would have to invent him." For a contrary
(militant ?)
viewpoint, the author ofhttp://www.mrlizard.com/evolution.html
says: "If God did exist -- we would have to destroy him."
Dosh kham = warm regards,
Israel "izzy" Cohen
Post-script:
The thought that "creator" is cognate with Hebrew yod-heh YaH first
occurred to me while I was composing this email. IMHO this is not a
completely trivial insight.
I had previously determined that Latin cred- as in credit was cognate
with Greek kudos and Hebrew yod-dalet YoD = hand. The Hebrew term is
often used in the name of memorials in honor of whoever. But I had
never
previously realized that creator was cognate with yod-heh anciently
YoDh
= God. So, thanks to you guys for giving me this insight.
Nice cut and paste job.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: name of God |
29 Jun 2007 10:41:41 PM |
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On Jun 29, 11:10 pm, wrote:
On Jun 29, 8:38 pm, izzy <cohen.i...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: "Israel \"izzy\" Cohen" <israel_and_yvet...@012.net.il>
Subject: [ABOUT WORDS] More under god - IIa
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:27:24 +0200
In-Reply-To: <c4.87ac377.2d962...@aol.com>
Dear Robert, Dale, Bruce, Fred, Bob, et al. --
Izzy please jump right on this one.
(Almost) needless to say, an essential element of Judaism is the
belief
in the Oneness of God. This is expressed in the "Shema" which is
usually
translated as "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One."
In Hebrew this is a 5-7-5 haiku:
She-Ma YiS-Ra-eL
a-Do-Noi eL-o-Hei-Nu
a-Do-Noi e-KHaD
The eL-o-Hei-Nu in this affirmation is based on a plural form: eLoHiM.
The usage of this plural form is usually explained as analogous to the
"royal we", or as GrampsQ might prefer, the "editorial we".
The meaning(s) of the words used to refer to God is one of the
most-written-about topics on the web. It will be interesting to see if
the US Supreme Court contributes to this corpus/body of literature.
I'll end with my own (unique) contribution, an etymological insight
into
the "meaning" of the tetragrammaton yod-heh-vav-heh YHVH or YHWH.
Today the yod is a partial velar pronounced as Y, but it is often
found
in words whose cognates contain a full velar G/K-sound... and
sometimes
a CR sound as in CReDit < yod-dalet YoD = hand (let's give him a big
hand) and CReaTor < (are you sitting down?) yod-heh = GoD (as
explained
below).
The vav is today usually sounded as a vowel oh or oo and sometimes as
a
consonantal V. Compare the Latin V-shape. However, the consonantal vav
is found as a cognate of words with an F-sound, e.g., Hebrew (from
Greek) VeSeT = phase (of moon), regulator (faucet). With a het-W
parallel, Hebrew het-vav-heh XaVaH = Eve, the WiFe of Adam.
Finally, it seems the Hebrew heh originally had a DH sound, a
combination of dalet+heh. When it lost that sound to become a H
breathing sound, many Hebrew words were re-spelled with a dalet (pure
D). That makes Hebrew DaG = fish a reversed cognate of Greek
ichth(os).
In Greek, the same sound-change usually resulted in words that now
have
an H breathing sound. So we have the following cognates:
Hebrew DaM = blood Greek HeMo-
?aDaM = man HoMo
mDaMem = bleed HyMen (which bleeds the first time)
?aDaMah = ground, earth Latin HuMus
Using all of the above sound-changes, YH+VH would have sounded
somewhat
like G/K Dh + F Dh, that is, a Father-God (creator). Compare JuH-
PiTer.
(Almost) needless to say, the concept of the Jewish God has evolved
over
time so, in this sense, one can say that the God of Adam did not have
exactly the same "meaning" as the God of Abraham or the God of Moses
or
the God of the later prophets or (as Reconstructionist Judaism would
say) the Jewish God of today.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the US Supreme Court has
to
say about the God of today. As my first boss was fond of saying
"Tomorrow is another day."
Voltaire said: "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent
him." and in "The Social Contract", Jean Rousseau wrote: "If God did
not
exist, we humans would have to invent him." For a contrary
(militant ?)
viewpoint, the author ofhttp://www.mrlizard.com/evolution.html
says: "If God did exist -- we would have to destroy him."
Dosh kham = warm regards,
Israel "izzy" Cohen
Post-script:
The thought that "creator" is cognate with Hebrew yod-heh YaH first
occurred to me while I was composing this email. IMHO this is not a
completely trivial insight.
I had previously determined that Latin cred- as in credit was cognate
with Greek kudos and Hebrew yod-dalet YoD = hand. The Hebrew term is
often used in the name of memorials in honor of whoever. But I had
never
previously realized that creator was cognate with yod-heh anciently
YoDh
= God. So, thanks to you guys for giving me this insight.
Nice cut and paste job.
**If you wish to have a discussion with me, please use email since I
do not follow ng threads.
That right there says it all.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: name of God |
29 Jun 2007 08:21:18 PM |
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On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:38:39 -0000, izzy
<cohen.izzy@gmail.com> spoke thusly:
Just FYI, you may want to set your software
to have less characters per line. 60 would be
recommended. The reason is, look at the text
below. It was already broken up when you
first posted it.
See below for more comments, please.
From: "Israel \"izzy\" Cohen" <israel_and_yvettec@012.net.il>
Subject: [ABOUT WORDS] More under god - IIa
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:27:24 +0200
In-Reply-To: <c4.87ac377.2d9620a7@aol.com>
Dear Robert, Dale, Bruce, Fred, Bob, et al. --
Izzy please jump right on this one.
(Almost) needless to say, an essential element of Judaism is the
belief
in the Oneness of God. This is expressed in the "Shema" which is
usually
translated as "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One."
In Hebrew this is a 5-7-5 haiku:
She-Ma YiS-Ra-eL
a-Do-Noi eL-o-Hei-Nu
a-Do-Noi e-KHaD
The eL-o-Hei-Nu in this affirmation is based on a plural form: eLoHiM.
The usage of this plural form is usually explained as analogous to the
"royal we", or as GrampsQ might prefer, the "editorial we".
The meaning(s) of the words used to refer to God is one of the
most-written-about topics on the web. It will be interesting to see if
the US Supreme Court contributes to this corpus/body of literature.
I'll end with my own (unique) contribution, an etymological insight
into
the "meaning" of the tetragrammaton yod-heh-vav-heh YHVH or YHWH.
Today the yod is a partial velar pronounced as Y, but it is often
found
in words whose cognates contain a full velar G/K-sound... and
sometimes
a CR sound as in CReDit < yod-dalet YoD = hand (let's give him a big
hand) and CReaTor < (are you sitting down?) yod-heh = GoD (as
explained
below).
The vav is today usually sounded as a vowel oh or oo and sometimes as
a
consonantal V. Compare the Latin V-shape. However, the consonantal vav
is found as a cognate of words with an F-sound, e.g., Hebrew (from
Greek) VeSeT = phase (of moon), regulator (faucet). With a het-W
parallel, Hebrew het-vav-heh XaVaH = Eve, the WiFe of Adam.
Finally, it seems the Hebrew heh originally had a DH sound, a
combination of dalet+heh. When it lost that sound to become a H
breathing sound, many Hebrew words were re-spelled with a dalet (pure
D). That makes Hebrew DaG = fish a reversed cognate of Greek
ichth(os).
In Greek, the same sound-change usually resulted in words that now
have
an H breathing sound. So we have the following cognates:
Hebrew DaM = blood Greek HeMo-
?aDaM = man HoMo
mDaMem = bleed HyMen (which bleeds the first time)
?aDaMah = ground, earth Latin HuMus
Using all of the above sound-changes, YH+VH would have sounded
somewhat
like G/K Dh + F Dh, that is, a Father-God (creator). Compare JuH-
PiTer.
(Almost) needless to say, the concept of the Jewish God has evolved
over
time so, in this sense, one can say that the God of Adam did not have
exactly the same "meaning" as the God of Abraham or the God of Moses
or
the God of the later prophets or (as Reconstructionist Judaism would
say) the Jewish God of today.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the US Supreme Court has
to
say about the God of today. As my first boss was fond of saying
"Tomorrow is another day."
Voltaire said: "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent
him." and in "The Social Contract", Jean Rousseau wrote: "If God did
not
exist, we humans would have to invent him." For a contrary
(militant ?)
viewpoint, the author of http://www.mrlizard.com/evolution.html
says: "If God did exist -- we would have to destroy him."
Dosh kham = warm regards,
Israel "izzy" Cohen
Post-script:
The thought that "creator" is cognate with Hebrew yod-heh YaH first
occurred to me while I was composing this email. IMHO this is not a
completely trivial insight.
I had previously determined that Latin cred- as in credit was cognate
with Greek kudos and Hebrew yod-dalet YoD = hand. The Hebrew term is
often used in the name of memorials in honor of whoever. But I had
never
previously realized that creator was cognate with yod-heh anciently
YoDh
= God. So, thanks to you guys for giving me this insight.
Interesting post and at least some of it is worth
some investigation. That's not to say that the
rest isn't, just maybe not for me. :)
--
Pastor Dave
Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.
The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.
Doctrine is not Scripture.
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