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User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"
Date: 25 Nov 2004 05:03:12 AM
Object: Re: No Longer A Christian
We have a bit of a catch 22, who is the "returned Jesus" ?
Matt.25:31-46, has Him as the least among us,
Ephesians declares His flesh and blood *body* to be the church,
Rev.22:8-9 declares men, mainly the *prophets* to be *angels*(messengers of
God),
John 17 declares all believers to be *in Him* as *Christ is in Him, and He
in Christ* / as *God is in Christ, and Christ in God, so are we in Him, and
He in us*
So if we do not move, His body doesn't move... now about those prophesies of
Revelation in which Christ comes as a warrior to fix all wrong.....
"Following Jesus" <The Patriot> wrote in message
news:ter9p0daegrek507f2qithdkvdtjvictml@4ax.com...


No Longer a Christian
by Karen Horst Cobb

I was told in Sunday school the word "Christian" means to be
Christ-like, but the message I hear daily on the airwaves from the
"christian " media are words of war, violence, and aggression.
Throughout this article I will spell christian with a small c rather
than a capital, since the term (as I usually hear it thrown about)
does not refer to the teachings of the one I know as the Christ. I
hear church goers call in to radio programs and explain that it was a
mistake not to kill every living thing in Fallujah. They quote chapter
and verse from the old testament about smiting the enemies of Israel.
The fear of fighting the terrorists on our soil rather than across the
globe causes the voices to be raised as they justify the latest prison
scandal or other accounts of the horrors of war . The words they speak
are words of destruction, aggression, dominance, revenge, fear and
arrogance. The host and the callers echo the belief in the
righteousness of our nation's killing. There are reminders to pray for
our "christian" president who is doing the work of the Lord: Right to
Life, Second Amendmendment, sanctity of marriage, welfare reform, war,
kill, evil liberals. . . so much to fight, so much to destroy.

Let me tell you about the Christ I know. He was conceived by an
unmarried woman. He was not born into a family of privilege. He was a
radical. He said, "It was said an eye for and eye and a tooth of a
tooth, but now I say love your enemies and bless those who curse you."
He said, "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of
heaven. Blessed are those who mourn for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are
the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God."
(Mattew 5: 3-9) He said, "All those who are called by my name will
enter the kingdom of heaven." He said, "People will know true
believers if they have the fruit of the spirit--love, joy, peace,
patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, self control."

He knew he would be led like a sheep to the slaughter. He responded
with "Father forgive them." He explained that in Christ there is
neither Jew nor gentile, slave or free male nor female. He explained
that even to be angry is akin to murder. He said the temple of God is
not a building, but is in the hearts of those are called by his name.
He was called "the Prince of Peace." His final days were spent in
prayer, so that he could endure what was set before him, not on how he
could overpower the evil government of that day. When they came for
him he was led away and didn't resist his death sentence.

This is a stark contrast to the call of the religious christian right,
who vote for war and weapons, and suggest towns and villages be
leveled to bring freedom and peace to the people. They proudly boast
this country's superiority, suggesting God has blessed our nation.
Today, as I listened to a popular christian news network, I was
reminded that in the last days, even God's elect will be deceived, (II
Timothy 3:13). When the religious media moguls preaching prosperity
spout their rhetoric, I am reminded of the difficulty Jesus described
of a rich man's ability to enter the kingdom of God. (Matthew 19: 24)
(http://www.4religious-right.info/rr_economics.htm) Some who believe
they are fighting evil will cry to the Lord, and he will say "I never
knew you." (Matthew 22). They will have a form or godliness but will
deny the power (II Timothy 3:5) to move mountains through prayer.
(Matthew 17:20). Jesus explained that he has not given us a spirit of
fear, but a spirit of power, love, and a sound mind. (II Timothy 1:17)
I wonder if the innocent moms and dads, brothers and sisters, and
aunts and uncles, and grandmas and grandpas who were the victims of US
military weapons (the never reported collateral damages we are
protected from in the "liberal" nightly news) felt the love of Jesus
with the shock and awe. I wonder if the surviving family members now
understand His radical love and that they no longer have any need for
weapons or defense.

The solutions to the social issues used to manipulate good, decent
people have no resemblance to how Jesus responded to the social
concerns of his time. He never once mentioned the "right to life" the
year he was born King Herod ordered the execution of all babies.
(Matthew 2:16). He knew that passing laws does not change the heart.
As a follower of his teaching I believe in the right to life,
including the children in Iraq who stumble onto land mines, cross the
street at the wrong time, or who are snuggly tucked within the warm
bellies of their wounded or grieving mothers as US fighter jets fly
overhead. These are living, breathing children. The killing of these
little ones are never even reported, and our tax dollars pay for these
bombs. I believe in the right to life for those in the United States
who are unwanted and impoversihed. I believe in the right to life of
the naive kid who was promised by the recruiter they could choose a
desk job and still get their education paid or could see the world or
could accelerate their life or could play a very realistic video game
from a cockpit.

I've worked at a shelter, and I know first hand the reality of
unwanted children. I know the reality of this right wing rhetoric when
week after week I begged and pleaded with people to give up only one
night every three months to sit with these unwanted living children
for a few hours while the overworked house parents had a night off. Of
the few I found, many changed their minds when they discovered that
they would need to wear rubber gloves to change the babies diapers.
These "believers" stand on the street corners holding right to life
signs and then vote against medical assistance for the mothers and
their unwanted children creating an impossible existence for them. The
few of these abortion activists who might adopt some of these unwanted
children generally want the white and the healthy. The ones with
hydrocephalous, tracheotomies, emotional/ mental problems and
communicable diseases along with their life long medical expenses can
be someone else's problems.

I cringe as many christians vote for policies that deny help to the
poor in our own county, who vote to support the war and military
strength, assuring the latest weapons are developed and that the
heavens will be dominated by the military of the United States. We
develop electromagnetic weapons to shatter skulls , split the earth
(http://www.raven1.net/emr13.htm) and silently destroy a body as a
thief in the night. Studies are even now searching for the frequencies
to override the freewill. These unbelievable technologies are a
reality and DNA specific weapons can or soon will target a specific
nationality
(http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/981116/1998111619.html ).I
weep as the waters Jesus walked on become contaminated with uranium.
(http://www.greendove.net/resources3.htm) I grieve as the missiles fly
through the atmosphere on the continent where Jesus rose into the sky,
defying death and the grave and where the Holy Sprit first descended.
I cry out at the horrors of war and the indignity of the prisons so
close to where He took captivity captive. So I am no longer a
christian if Christianity has become what is presented to us by our
christian president and christian media. Icannot support the right of
the United States and Israel to develop and use the most heinous
weapons ever imagined. I want no part of a temple built on the blood
of the innocent. The sheep have been lead astray by the teachings of
prosperity and misinterpretation of the final battle between good and
evil. Many no longer can recognize the voice of the good Shepard.

Some "good christians" even work at weapons facilities. It is not a
stretch to say that a woman who tightens a last rivet on a shiny new
missile just off the assembly line might be the same woman who licks
the gold star on the attendance chart in morning Sunday school. The
missile could be launched by the kid in the youth group who reads the
invocation and it will find it's destiny at a "target of interest"
which might or might not have been a result of good intelligence. The
collection plate circulates children are taught to love their enemies
and bless those who curse them.

The statements and lifestyle of Jesus are difficult for me to
understand. What would he say to evil dictators? This God would not
justify 15,000 or more deaths. Even the wrathful jealous God of the
old testament spared whole cities for a few righteous souls. For
christians, to support mass killings as a way to prevent future deaths
is not at all like Christ. He would not say,"When I am talking about
war I am really talking about peace," like the self professed
christian President proudly states. Who but God has the right to
determine what price a people should pay for their freedom? The
religious leaders on the airwaves today respond to the voices of the
few brave peacemakers who dare to speak out. They say that pacifism is
insane, and that it doesn't make sense, but what is forgotten is that
logic and faith are separate entities. I believe in the example of
Jesus and his admonition to love your enemies and bless those who
curse you . Do I understand how this works on the global scale? Do I
know what Jesus would say to all the world's leaders? No, nor do I
totally understand how the example of Christ's life and his message of
love works in the world today. That's why I need faith. Am I always
correct in my assessments and actions? No, that's why I need grace. Am
I brave and unafraid? No, that's why I need the perfect love that
casts out fear. Some put trust in Chariots and some in horses but I
will remember the name of the lord our God--the Prince of Peace.
Perhaps politics has no place for imitators of Christ.

Who will show the face of Christ to the world? Who will speak His
radical message? I hear from these so called imitators of Christ that
the pacifists are a collection of kids, hippies, socialists and
communists who haven't got a clue. Some of us, however, have come to
our beliefs as a result of careful and prayerful study of the
scriptures and admonishment from our elders. Many are Mennonite,
Amish, Quaker and other Anabaptists, whose ancestors did not resist
their torturers and were drowned, burnt at the stake and flogged for
their pacifist stand. They truly followed the example of Christ, and
their resistance against the catastrophic effects of the merging of
church and state cost them a great price. Churches today have signed
onto the government plan and have agreed to look the other way in
exchange for tax free privileges. The true message of Christ still
exists to some degree in the quiet of the land to peacemakers, but
sadly these good people have been deceived by the angry words from a
righteous sounding religious media majority broadcasting in cars and
trucks and tractors all over our land ironically preaching the "good
news of war for peace" and convincing 24-7 "liberal" bashing. I
suspect there are many who share my sorrow at the loss of what it
means to be Christ-like, but our voice is seldom heard. The blaring
rhetoric drowns out the still small voice of the mighty God. Peace
used be the opposite of war, Conservative used to mean the tendency to
conserve resources. Liberal used to mean kind and generous, and
Christian used to mean like Christ.

So I am no longer a christian but just a person who continues trying
to follow the example of Christ. I'll let him call me what he wants
when I see him face to face. Until then, I will pray that someday
people like me will be able to reclaim the meaning of Christ's
identity, and the world will see the effects of the radical message of
Christ's love--the perfect love that casts out fear.

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User: "Libertarius"

Title: Re: No Longer A Christian 25 Nov 2004 01:56:59 PM
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" wrote:

We have a bit of a catch 22, who is the "returned Jesus" ?
Matt.25:31-46, has Him as the least among us,
Ephesians declares His flesh and blood *body* to be the church,
Rev.22:8-9 declares men, mainly the *prophets* to be *angels*(messengers of
God),
John 17 declares all believers to be *in Him* as *Christ is in Him, and He
in Christ* / as *God is in Christ, and Christ in God, so are we in Him, and
He in us*
So if we do not move, His body doesn't move... now about those prophesies of
Revelation in which Christ comes as a warrior to fix all wrong.....

===>Those (in Rev.) were the hopes of the Jewish
messianic Zealots, original followers of Jesus,
gathered around his brother James.
The other stuff is post-Pauline explanations of why his promise
of the coming Christos and ascension to "heaven" did not happen.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING, you "heretic"!
Libertarius (Ho Hairetikos)
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User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"

Title: Re: No Longer A Christian 27 Nov 2004 10:19:12 PM
And Happy belated Thanksgiving to you as well, fellow heritic :-)
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:41A6390B.EE2B7766@Nothing_But_The.Truth...



"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" wrote:

We have a bit of a catch 22, who is the "returned Jesus" ?
Matt.25:31-46, has Him as the least among us,
Ephesians declares His flesh and blood *body* to be the church,
Rev.22:8-9 declares men, mainly the *prophets* to be *angels*(messengers
of
God),
John 17 declares all believers to be *in Him* as *Christ is in Him, and
He
in Christ* / as *God is in Christ, and Christ in God, so are we in Him,
and
He in us*
So if we do not move, His body doesn't move... now about those prophesies
of
Revelation in which Christ comes as a warrior to fix all wrong.....


===>Those (in Rev.) were the hopes of the Jewish
messianic Zealots, original followers of Jesus,
gathered around his brother James.

The other stuff is post-Pauline explanations of why his promise
of the coming Christos and ascension to "heaven" did not happen.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING, you "heretic"!

Libertarius (Ho Hairetikos)

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