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"Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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18 Jul 2005 11:02:20 AM |
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Re: Once saved always saved? |
"Steve B." <me@here.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:25:37 -0500, " :o]" <doc@watson> wrote:
<snip>
I was just telling you how you were coming across. Maybe you are the
sweetest, most loving woman on earth, in person. However, just about
every post from you I've read has been abrasive and personally
insulting to the person it was directed at. If you truly don't care
how that looks to people, then feel free to continue with that
approach. Just be aware that it doesn't give any glory to the Lord
you say you serve.
I am a sinner, saved by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ, our
Lord. I answer to HIM, not Paul.
What is YOUR point?
My point is that you seemed to be saying that Paul's past disqualified
him from penning inspired Scripture. You have all but said that
Paul's writings about women were his personal opinion, not the word of
God. Your statement above about "not answering to Paul" strongly
suggests that. Is this what you think? Yes or no, please.
Paul admitted that not everything he says comes from God, but is rather his
personal opinions, thus this tells me to check everything he says with
Jesus, and texts written by the other writers of the NT.
<snip>
I believe the BIBLE, yes.
Nevertheless, oftentimes what is contained therein is misconstrued by
the reader, and I do not believe the 'women keep silent' stands for
women not being allowed to say a blasted thing.
Good answer. Now, exactly what do you think "women keep silent"
actually means?
See the context, it speaks *only* to *married* women, who, to avoid
embarrassing their husbands are to keep silent in church, *and* to talk with
their husbands about, whatever, after church. Says nothing about single
women, or those who the husband supports to speak out.
<snip>
That was because of the abrasive and confrontational attitude you are
broadcasting. Those kinds of women SHOULD be silent in the church,
because they do nothing but stir up trouble and cause division. That
was the problem in Corinth -- it was mainly the women that were
causing the problems there. I've personally seen it in other
churches, too. Like it or not, it is almost always women who stir up
trouble with gossip, false accusations and grumbling about the pastor,
etc.
I have seen MEN be equally guilty of doing this, which IMO *voids* your
argument.
<snip>
I'm not familiar with "Christian Baptist." Is that Southern
Baptist, Independent Baptist, FreeWill Baptist, Missionary Baptist,
Black Baptist, American Baptist, Bible Believing 1611 KJV Baptist,
General Baptist?
Why?
Why not? As you say, I should know more about you before drawing any
conclusions.
Regards,
SteveB
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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| User: "VO" |
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| Title: Re: Once saved always saved? |
18 Jul 2005 01:02:38 PM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Steve B." <me@here.com> wrote in message
news:8uvuuvoerpis15ou5ip2gfrbdc0f624kap@4ax.com...
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:25:37 -0500, " :o]" <doc@watson> wrote:
<snip>
I was just telling you how you were coming across. Maybe you are the
sweetest, most loving woman on earth, in person. However, just about
every post from you I've read has been abrasive and personally
insulting to the person it was directed at. If you truly don't care
how that looks to people, then feel free to continue with that
approach. Just be aware that it doesn't give any glory to the Lord
you say you serve.
I am a sinner, saved by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ, our
Lord. I answer to HIM, not Paul.
What is YOUR point?
My point is that you seemed to be saying that Paul's past disqualified
him from penning inspired Scripture. You have all but said that
Paul's writings about women were his personal opinion, not the word of
God. Your statement above about "not answering to Paul" strongly
suggests that. Is this what you think? Yes or no, please.
Paul admitted that not everything he says comes from God, but is rather
his personal opinions, thus this tells me to check everything he says with
Jesus, and texts written by the other writers of the NT.
It can usually be settled when one uses the rule that scripture supports
scripture.
When we find that other passages do not support what we read in a passage,
we have three conclusions.
1. We read it completely out of context. (The usual for the women comment)
2. We are looking for rules so we can establish legalism and we thus
mis-read.
3. We haven't a clue what the passage says and thus cannot find correlation.
<snip>
I believe the BIBLE, yes.
Nevertheless, oftentimes what is contained therein is misconstrued by
the reader, and I do not believe the 'women keep silent' stands for
women not being allowed to say a blasted thing.
Good answer. Now, exactly what do you think "women keep silent"
actually means?
See the context, it speaks *only* to *married* women, who, to avoid
embarrassing their husbands are to keep silent in church, *and* to talk
with their husbands about, whatever, after church. Says nothing about
single women, or those who the husband supports to speak out.
He was also talking to a church where the members had come from or been
influenced by the Temple of Dianne, a female run sect.
<snip>
That was because of the abrasive and confrontational attitude you are
broadcasting. Those kinds of women SHOULD be silent in the church,
because they do nothing but stir up trouble and cause division. That
was the problem in Corinth -- it was mainly the women that were
causing the problems there. I've personally seen it in other
churches, too. Like it or not, it is almost always women who stir up
trouble with gossip, false accusations and grumbling about the pastor,
etc.
I have seen MEN be equally guilty of doing this, which IMO *voids* your
argument.
Naw, You have seen "Christian" men act like that?
<snip>
I'm not familiar with "Christian Baptist." Is that Southern
Baptist, Independent Baptist, FreeWill Baptist, Missionary Baptist,
Black Baptist, American Baptist, Bible Believing 1611 KJV Baptist,
General Baptist?
Why?
Why not? As you say, I should know more about you before drawing any
conclusions.
Regards,
SteveB
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: Once saved always saved? |
01 Aug 2005 08:27:47 PM |
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"VO" <here@overthere.net> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Steve B." <me@here.com> wrote in message
news:8uvuuvoerpis15ou5ip2gfrbdc0f624kap@4ax.com...
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:25:37 -0500, " :o]" <doc@watson> wrote:
<snip>
My point is that you seemed to be saying that Paul's past disqualified
him from penning inspired Scripture. You have all but said that
Paul's writings about women were his personal opinion, not the word of
God. Your statement above about "not answering to Paul" strongly
suggests that. Is this what you think? Yes or no, please.
Paul admitted that not everything he says comes from God, but is rather
his personal opinions, thus this tells me to check everything he says
with Jesus, and texts written by the other writers of the NT.
It can usually be settled when one uses the rule that scripture supports
scripture.
When we find that other passages do not support what we read in a passage,
we have three conclusions.
1. We read it completely out of context. (The usual for the women comment)
Or we ignor the fact that Paul admitted to voicing personal opinions, which
may, or may not have been inspired.
2. We are looking for rules so we can establish legalism and we thus
mis-read.
Or we ignor the fact that Paul admitted to voicing personal opinions, which
may, or may not have been inspired.
3. We haven't a clue what the passage says and thus cannot find
correlation.
Or we ignor the fact that Paul admitted to voicing personal opinions, which
may, or may not have been inspired.
<snip>
I believe the BIBLE, yes.
Nevertheless, oftentimes what is contained therein is misconstrued by
the reader, and I do not believe the 'women keep silent' stands for
women not being allowed to say a blasted thing.
Good answer. Now, exactly what do you think "women keep silent"
actually means?
See the context, it speaks *only* to *married* women, who, to avoid
embarrassing their husbands are to keep silent in church, *and* to talk
with their husbands about, whatever, after church. Says nothing about
single women, or those who the husband supports to speak out.
He was also talking to a church where the members had come from or been
influenced by the Temple of Dianne, a female run sect.
Read the text.
<snip>
That was because of the abrasive and confrontational attitude you are
broadcasting. Those kinds of women SHOULD be silent in the church,
because they do nothing but stir up trouble and cause division. That
was the problem in Corinth -- it was mainly the women that were
causing the problems there. I've personally seen it in other
churches, too. Like it or not, it is almost always women who stir up
trouble with gossip, false accusations and grumbling about the pastor,
etc.
I have seen MEN be equally guilty of doing this, which IMO *voids* your
argument.
Naw, You have seen "Christian" men act like that?
YES ! I have.
<snip>
I'm not familiar with "Christian Baptist." Is that Southern
Baptist, Independent Baptist, FreeWill Baptist, Missionary Baptist,
Black Baptist, American Baptist, Bible Believing 1611 KJV Baptist,
General Baptist?
Why?
Why not? As you say, I should know more about you before drawing any
conclusions.
Regards,
SteveB
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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