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30 Jun 2007 09:40:35 AM |
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Re: OOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo Robyn.... |
On Jun 28, 10:31 pm, stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:
http://halloween.it/costumes/women-dark.htm
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Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
-Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic's Dictionary
No, a defiant, mind manacled atheist is to be pitied for being sick in
body, sick in sprit and sick in mind.
It has nothing to do with not believing in unproven religious dogma.
But the atheist while being devoid of God fantasy is stuck in their
own fantasy that hatred will solve all their problems and make them
good people.
.....My discussion of this topic from an earlier post.
Raven writes:
"Actually, I disagree with Mark K Bilbo on one point. You're not a
*****. You're an *****.(V) You are perhaps the most arrogant,
egotistical, clueless jerk I've ever encountered, on Usenet or off it.
You spout off endlessly about Buddhism, while demonstrating that you
haven't the slightest comprehension of it, and continually offer
unsolicited advice to others as to how they should live their lives,
after being told repeatedly that no one is interested, and that
absolutely no one wants to be like you. To use an example within your
field of expertise, if you acted the way you do on alt.atheism in a
bar, you'd have been punched out in short order. You need serious
psychological help."
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
V:
Thank you for your comments, compliments and the warning Raven.
I can put some of your concerns to rest though, as I do not frequent
bars, so am safe in that respect.
I am most gratified with your compliment when you distinguished me
being on top of your list.
You see, if I am 'the opposite' of Raven and Mark K. Bilbo...I am
doing quite well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/27_12_2005_Mark_K._Bilbo
Watch you thoughts - they become words Raven.
Watch your words - they become actions Raven.
Watch your actions - they become habits Raven.
Watch your habits - they become character Raven.
Watch your character - it becomes your destiny Raven.
Thoreau said a thousand will strike at the branches of evil and only
one will strike at the roots.
Of course, the thousands who are confused and ignorant of the source
of the evil will say the one that strikes at the roots of evil is
a...clueless jerk...a *****...an *****.
That is how it has always been throughout history with your kind
Raven...sick in mind...sick in body....sick in spirit.
What else can such a person offer to others but...sickness.
The three unwholesome roots of delusions, greed and hate are very
basic to a a Buddhist practice.
Out of these three, delusion is the foundational root, for without
seeing delusions for what they are, you cannot distinguish the other
two unwholesome roots of greed and hate.
As such, you see only what the delusional 'Gospel According to Raven'
that controls your life allows you to see.
The Greek philosophers knew that when passion rules the mind, that the
only job left for reason is that of the subservient task to find
cleaver ways to satisfy the passions. They called it "putting passion
before reason." .
I am not a Buddhist, but I do use tools from Buddhism Raven. I am an
agnostic freethinker. I make no other claims Raven.
I try to put passions on the back burner and work to put truth up
front in my thoughts
I use tools for developing inner peace from any source without
prejudice.
My own thoughts about Buddhism can be seen here with a discussion of
how I use some of the tools of Buddhism in my life.
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=508.0
The only requirement for such tools is that it be capable of being
tested by practical application and that the concept does not exist by
means of faith only.
When we try to control others it is s signpost of our own dis-ease
Raven.
Over the years I have run into many people that would like to control
me, just as you would like to control me Raven.
You destroy your peace in controlling what your ego demands and you
have no power to control Raven.
Yet, you are blinded by hate, prejudice and ill will and powerless to
see this Raven.
I do mention this to you in hopes of your one day enlightenment Raven.
But alas, I can only plant seeds and have no power to make them
sprout.
Whenever we get upset with others, it is good to look at things in
perspective of the 3 laws that govern us Raven
All humans answer to:
Man Made Law
Natural Law
Divine Law (for those that believe in the spiritual realm**)
Always remember, if a person's actions do not violate any of these
laws, then it becomes more of a 'subjective question' of violation.
When likes and dislikes of actions become subjective, then, making
demands on others without a firm foundation in the laws bases our
decision in our ego.
As such, the general rule is:
Persons should seek to please themselves with their actions first
before they please the ego's of others.
**for further discussion about spiritual or divine laws that govern us
see:
'Every Atheist Serves Two Gods' at:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=342.0
The business of humanism is 'all our business' if we with to live life
at peace Raven.
I suggest you read the 'informal creed' of atheism that discusses this
topic.
(Snip)
"An Atheist loves his fellow man instead of god. An Atheist believes
that heaven is something for which we should work now - here on earth
for all men together to enjoy."
From:
http://www.atheists.org/Atheism/
As such 'I ask if someone is thirsty' and needs a drink when I see
them parched Raven.
And if I am mistaken, then no harm done. I leave them in peace, I do
not force anyone...but I do ask Raven.
I don't call people a ***** or an ***** and work to destroy their
inner peace.
Sure, I bring out wrong actions and wrong speech to discuss in public.
Hiding behavior is also a sign of dis-ease Raven.
If we are not talking about 'trade secrets' Raven and if you are
ashamed to discuss your actions in public...then that says it all
about you my friend...sick in body...sick in mind...sick in sprit.
What I say to one can be said to all Raven.
I hide nothing.
When we learn to think about others and the spirit as well as our own
needs and we can then see we are all interdependent and not
independent with all Raven.
As such, we are our brother's keeper to some extent - for your sanity
is my sanity and my sanity is your sanity Raven. I don't have time to
write a post on this subject right now as I am very busy. But just
believe me on this topic Raven.
Once you see this interdependent balance, you will realize that we all
share the same breath and no need to practice hatred or develop ill
will towards others Raven.
It is much better to develop compassion for others. For as we develop
compassion for others we develop peace within Raven.
As James Allen wrote in As a man Thinketh: "To think well of all, to
be cheerful with all, to patiently learn to find the good in all -
such unselfish thoughts are the very portals of heaven; and to dwell
day by day in thoughts of peace toward every creature will bring
abounding peace to their possessor."
This doesn't mean we have to not be concerned with danger to our well
being by any particular group. but, it also reminds us we will never
be at peace by fostering hatred for another Raven.
As such, I practice from ANY spiritual tradition without problems or
prejudices and readily look for such gifts irrespective of what label
they come under.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=4.0
It is your right to not like me and you are free to think about the me
as you please Raven.
But, if we are seeking to find the truth about a subject, I find it a
good policy to concentrate on principles and not on personalties.
Concentrating on personalties and name calling just fuels the passions
and makes it hard to discuss the real issues.
Of course, you have never answered any of my posts otherwise, so the
only tool at your disposal is the reply attacking the person instead
of attacking the argument.
The Buddhist offer us the eightfold path to direct us in the 'right'
way to live...if we wish to be at peace.
The eightfold path may not be anything new to you Raven. And to the
horror of Mark K. Bilbo who says I repeat things endlessly, I mention
it for those that may not be as knowledgeable as you are about
Buddhist thought Raven.
1. Right View
2. Right Intention
3. Right Speech
4. Right Action
5. Right Livelihood
6. Right Effort
7. Right Mindfulness
8. Right Concentration
Feel free Raven to write me in private to discuss this matter, away
from the need of the ego to show off in front of your friends. Once we
do that, I think in that relaxed setting we can put passions and
hatred on the back burner and get at the truth.
Always remember Raven, we can change our current life, a life that
yields us nothing but pain and suffering, into a new life of joy and
inner peace. We transform ourselves by the simple action of taking
that first step in the opposite direction that we have been headed in
for so long...but I can't take that first step for you my friend.
Good luck,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| Title: Re: OOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo Robyn.... |
02 Jul 2007 04:13:22 PM |
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On Jun 30, 3:40 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 28, 10:31 pm, stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:
http://halloween.it/costumes/women-dark.htm
--
Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
-Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic's Dictionary
No, a defiant, mind manacled atheist is to be pitied for being sick in
body, sick in sprit and sick in mind.
It has nothing to do with not believing in unproven religious dogma.
But the atheis <sneeeeeeyeeerp>
HO! <whack!>
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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