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"Transition Zone" |
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06 Oct 2004 04:27:45 PM |
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Re: OT: ***** Cheney is a lying ***** |
Cheney lies are pretty brazen. He knows he met edwards before.
Stupid, just like those SwiftVets. Just plain pathetic.
"William Coleman" <ramashiva@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<%IT8d.4125$UP1.1450@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
***** Cheney told several outright lies during the debate with John Edwards
last night. Expect these to be documented during the coming days. Remember
when Cheney said he the debate was the first time he had met Edwards? He
was lying. Check out this story from ABC News.
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20041006_463.html
Meeting Was Not First for Cheney, Edwards
Vice President ***** Cheney, Sen. John Edwards Met Twice Before Debate,
Contrary to Cheney's Statement
The Associated Press
CLEVELAND Oct. 6, 2004 - Vice President ***** Cheney said Tuesday night that
the debate with Democratic Sen. John Edwards marked the first time they had
met. In fact, the two had met at least three times previously.
Cheney made the remark while accusing Edwards of frequent absences from
Senate votes.
"Now, in my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate, the
presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in
session. The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage
tonight," Cheney told Edwards during the debate.
On Feb. 1, 2001, the vice president thanked Edwards by name at a Senate
prayer breakfast and sat beside him during the event.
On April 8, 2001, Cheney and Edwards shook hands when they met off-camera
during a taping of NBC's "Meet the Press," moderator Tim Russert said
Wednesday on "Today."
On Jan. 8, 2003, the two met when the first-term North Carolina senator
accompanied Elizabeth Dole to her swearing-in by Cheney as a North Carolina
senator, Edwards aides also said.
Edwards didn't forget their prayer-breakfast meeting. The Democratic vice
presidential candidate noted the discrepancy at a post-debate rally in a
Cleveland park, calling it an example of Cheney "still not being straight
with the American people."
"The vice president said that the first time I met Senator Edwards was
tonight when we walked on the stage. I guess he forgot the time we sat next
to each other for a couple hours about three years ago. I guess he forgot
the time we met at the swearing in of another senator. So, my wife Elizabeth
reminded him on the stage," Edwards said as the crowd roared.
According to Edwards' staff, Cheney replied, "Oh, yeah."
"She reminded him about the truth," Edwards told the crowd, "and come
November, we're going to remind him that the American people do not want
four more years of George W. Bush."
Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may
not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
______________________________________________________
Cheney also lied when he stated he has never suggested a connection between
9/11 and Iraq. In fact, he has made that suggestion many times. NBC News
fact-checked his ***** last night by playing a clip of Cheney making exactly
that suggestion on Meet the Press.
Cheney also lied when he stated that Kerry and Edwards voted for No Child
Left Behind and are now opposed to it. What Kerry and Edwards have
criticized is the fact that the Bush administration has not properly funded
the many mandates on local school boards.
As I said, Cheney told several outright lies. Expect these to be documented
in the coming days as the fact checking proceeds.
.
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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| Title: Re: OT: ***** Cheney is a lying ***** |
06 Oct 2004 10:10:38 PM |
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"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f224cda.0410061327.5e14ad7d@posting.google.com...
Cheney lies are pretty brazen. He knows he met edwards before.
I heard a lady say that it just goes to show how forgetable Edwards is. This
seemed to bring up the possibility that someone could forget Edwards and still be
justifiably coherent in remembering other things.
Stupid, just like those SwiftVets. Just plain pathetic.
"William Coleman" <ramashiva@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:<%IT8d.4125$UP1.1450@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
***** Cheney told several outright lies during the debate with John Edwards
last night. Expect these to be documented during the coming days. Remember
when Cheney said he the debate was the first time he had met Edwards? He
was lying. Check out this story from ABC News.
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20041006_463.html
Meeting Was Not First for Cheney, Edwards
Vice President ***** Cheney, Sen. John Edwards Met Twice Before Debate,
Contrary to Cheney's Statement
The Associated Press
CLEVELAND Oct. 6, 2004 - Vice President ***** Cheney said Tuesday night that
the debate with Democratic Sen. John Edwards marked the first time they had
met. In fact, the two had met at least three times previously.
Cheney made the remark while accusing Edwards of frequent absences from
Senate votes.
"Now, in my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate, the
presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in
session. The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage
tonight," Cheney told Edwards during the debate.
On Feb. 1, 2001, the vice president thanked Edwards by name at a Senate
prayer breakfast and sat beside him during the event.
On April 8, 2001, Cheney and Edwards shook hands when they met off-camera
during a taping of NBC's "Meet the Press," moderator Tim Russert said
Wednesday on "Today."
On Jan. 8, 2003, the two met when the first-term North Carolina senator
accompanied Elizabeth Dole to her swearing-in by Cheney as a North Carolina
senator, Edwards aides also said.
Edwards didn't forget their prayer-breakfast meeting. The Democratic vice
presidential candidate noted the discrepancy at a post-debate rally in a
Cleveland park, calling it an example of Cheney "still not being straight
with the American people."
"The vice president said that the first time I met Senator Edwards was
tonight when we walked on the stage. I guess he forgot the time we sat next
to each other for a couple hours about three years ago. I guess he forgot
the time we met at the swearing in of another senator. So, my wife Elizabeth
reminded him on the stage," Edwards said as the crowd roared.
According to Edwards' staff, Cheney replied, "Oh, yeah."
"She reminded him about the truth," Edwards told the crowd, "and come
November, we're going to remind him that the American people do not want
four more years of George W. Bush."
Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may
not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
______________________________________________________
Cheney also lied when he stated he has never suggested a connection between
9/11 and Iraq. In fact, he has made that suggestion many times. NBC News
fact-checked his ***** last night by playing a clip of Cheney making exactly
that suggestion on Meet the Press.
Cheney also lied when he stated that Kerry and Edwards voted for No Child
Left Behind and are now opposed to it. What Kerry and Edwards have
criticized is the fact that the Bush administration has not properly funded
the many mandates on local school boards.
As I said, Cheney told several outright lies. Expect these to be documented
in the coming days as the fact checking proceeds.
.
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| User: "YAAK" |
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| Title: Re: OT: ***** Cheney is a lying ***** |
06 Oct 2004 10:58:29 PM |
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"Immortalist" <Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Cheney lies are pretty brazen. He knows he met edwards before.
I heard a lady say that it just goes to show how forgetable Edwards is.
This
seemed to bring up the possibility that someone could forget Edwards and
still be
justifiably coherent in remembering other things.
Stupid, just like those SwiftVets. Just plain pathetic.
"William Coleman" <ramashiva@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:<%IT8d.4125$UP1.1450@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
***** Cheney told several outright lies during the debate with John
Edwards
last night. Expect these to be documented during the coming days.
Remember
when Cheney said he the debate was the first time he had met Edwards?
He
was lying. Check out this story from ABC News.
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20041006_463.html
Meeting Was Not First for Cheney, Edwards
Vice President ***** Cheney, Sen. John Edwards Met Twice Before Debate,
Contrary to Cheney's Statement
The Associated Press
CLEVELAND Oct. 6, 2004 - Vice President ***** Cheney said Tuesday night
that
the debate with Democratic Sen. John Edwards marked the first time they
had
met. In fact, the two had met at least three times previously.
Cheney made the remark while accusing Edwards of frequent absences from
Senate votes.
"Now, in my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate,
the
presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in
session. The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage
tonight," Cheney told Edwards during the debate.
On Feb. 1, 2001, the vice president thanked Edwards by name at a Senate
prayer breakfast and sat beside him during the event.
On April 8, 2001, Cheney and Edwards shook hands when they met
off-camera
during a taping of NBC's "Meet the Press," moderator Tim Russert said
Wednesday on "Today."
On Jan. 8, 2003, the two met when the first-term North Carolina senator
accompanied Elizabeth Dole to her swearing-in by Cheney as a North
Carolina
senator, Edwards aides also said.
Edwards didn't forget their prayer-breakfast meeting. The Democratic
vice
presidential candidate noted the discrepancy at a post-debate rally in
a
Cleveland park, calling it an example of Cheney "still not being
straight
with the American people."
"The vice president said that the first time I met Senator Edwards was
tonight when we walked on the stage. I guess he forgot the time we sat
next
to each other for a couple hours about three years ago. I guess he
forgot
the time we met at the swearing in of another senator. So, my wife
Elizabeth
reminded him on the stage," Edwards said as the crowd roared.
According to Edwards' staff, Cheney replied, "Oh, yeah."
"She reminded him about the truth," Edwards told the crowd, "and come
November, we're going to remind him that the American people do not
want
four more years of George W. Bush."
Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material
may
not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
______________________________________________________
Cheney also lied when he stated he has never suggested a connection
between
9/11 and Iraq. In fact, he has made that suggestion many times. NBC
News
fact-checked his ***** last night by playing a clip of Cheney making
exactly
that suggestion on Meet the Press.
Cheney also lied when he stated that Kerry and Edwards voted for No
Child
Left Behind and are now opposed to it. What Kerry and Edwards have
criticized is the fact that the Bush administration has not properly
funded
the many mandates on local school boards.
As I said, Cheney told several outright lies. Expect these to be
documented
in the coming days as the fact checking proceeds.
Mort, you ready to come out of the closet and admit to being
a Fundy Repug?
.
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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| Title: Re: OT: ***** Cheney is a lying ***** |
07 Oct 2004 12:01:42 AM |
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"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Cheney lies are pretty brazen. He knows he met edwards before.
I heard a lady say that it just goes to show how forgetable Edwards is.
This
seemed to bring up the possibility that someone could forget Edwards and
still be
justifiably coherent in remembering other things.
Stupid, just like those SwiftVets. Just plain pathetic.
"William Coleman" <ramashiva@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:<%IT8d.4125$UP1.1450@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
***** Cheney told several outright lies during the debate with John
Edwards
last night. Expect these to be documented during the coming days.
Remember
when Cheney said he the debate was the first time he had met Edwards?
He
was lying. Check out this story from ABC News.
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20041006_463.html
Meeting Was Not First for Cheney, Edwards
Vice President ***** Cheney, Sen. John Edwards Met Twice Before Debate,
Contrary to Cheney's Statement
The Associated Press
CLEVELAND Oct. 6, 2004 - Vice President ***** Cheney said Tuesday night
that
the debate with Democratic Sen. John Edwards marked the first time they
had
met. In fact, the two had met at least three times previously.
Cheney made the remark while accusing Edwards of frequent absences from
Senate votes.
"Now, in my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate,
the
presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in
session. The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage
tonight," Cheney told Edwards during the debate.
On Feb. 1, 2001, the vice president thanked Edwards by name at a Senate
prayer breakfast and sat beside him during the event.
On April 8, 2001, Cheney and Edwards shook hands when they met
off-camera
during a taping of NBC's "Meet the Press," moderator Tim Russert said
Wednesday on "Today."
On Jan. 8, 2003, the two met when the first-term North Carolina senator
accompanied Elizabeth Dole to her swearing-in by Cheney as a North
Carolina
senator, Edwards aides also said.
Edwards didn't forget their prayer-breakfast meeting. The Democratic
vice
presidential candidate noted the discrepancy at a post-debate rally in
a
Cleveland park, calling it an example of Cheney "still not being
straight
with the American people."
"The vice president said that the first time I met Senator Edwards was
tonight when we walked on the stage. I guess he forgot the time we sat
next
to each other for a couple hours about three years ago. I guess he
forgot
the time we met at the swearing in of another senator. So, my wife
Elizabeth
reminded him on the stage," Edwards said as the crowd roared.
According to Edwards' staff, Cheney replied, "Oh, yeah."
"She reminded him about the truth," Edwards told the crowd, "and come
November, we're going to remind him that the American people do not
want
four more years of George W. Bush."
Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material
may
not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
______________________________________________________
Cheney also lied when he stated he has never suggested a connection
between
9/11 and Iraq. In fact, he has made that suggestion many times. NBC
News
fact-checked his ***** last night by playing a clip of Cheney making
exactly
that suggestion on Meet the Press.
Cheney also lied when he stated that Kerry and Edwards voted for No
Child
Left Behind and are now opposed to it. What Kerry and Edwards have
criticized is the fact that the Bush administration has not properly
funded
the many mandates on local school boards.
As I said, Cheney told several outright lies. Expect these to be
documented
in the coming days as the fact checking proceeds.
Mort, you ready to come out of the closet and admit to being
a Fundy Repug?
Well, I'll admit I like a good argument when I hears one. Being a centrists I
guess I am a little liberal and conservative. In Europe an American moderate
would be considered a conservative right winger. But that shows how far behind
the times they are for in five or ten years they will be similar to how us middle
of the road Americans are now. Some of us are not trapped in an ideology and we
are not committed to going down with the ship mentality we can adapt while other
parts of the world are very inflexible.
.
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| User: "YAAK" |
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| Title: Re: OT: ***** Cheney is a lying ***** |
07 Oct 2004 12:21:06 AM |
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Cheney lies are pretty brazen. He knows he met edwards before.
I heard a lady say that it just goes to show how forgetable Edwards is.
This
seemed to bring up the possibility that someone could forget Edwards
and
still be
justifiably coherent in remembering other things.
Stupid, just like those SwiftVets. Just plain pathetic.
"William Coleman" <ramashiva@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:<%IT8d.4125$UP1.1450@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
***** Cheney told several outright lies during the debate with John
Edwards
last night. Expect these to be documented during the coming days.
Remember
when Cheney said he the debate was the first time he had met
Edwards?
He
was lying. Check out this story from ABC News.
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20041006_463.html
Meeting Was Not First for Cheney, Edwards
Vice President ***** Cheney, Sen. John Edwards Met Twice Before
Debate,
Contrary to Cheney's Statement
The Associated Press
CLEVELAND Oct. 6, 2004 - Vice President ***** Cheney said Tuesday
night
that
the debate with Democratic Sen. John Edwards marked the first time
they
had
met. In fact, the two had met at least three times previously.
Cheney made the remark while accusing Edwards of frequent absences
from
Senate votes.
"Now, in my capacity as vice president, I am the president of
Senate,
the
presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're
in
session. The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the
stage
tonight," Cheney told Edwards during the debate.
On Feb. 1, 2001, the vice president thanked Edwards by name at a
Senate
prayer breakfast and sat beside him during the event.
On April 8, 2001, Cheney and Edwards shook hands when they met
off-camera
during a taping of NBC's "Meet the Press," moderator Tim Russert
said
Wednesday on "Today."
On Jan. 8, 2003, the two met when the first-term North Carolina
senator
accompanied Elizabeth Dole to her swearing-in by Cheney as a North
Carolina
senator, Edwards aides also said.
Edwards didn't forget their prayer-breakfast meeting. The Democratic
vice
presidential candidate noted the discrepancy at a post-debate rally
in
a
Cleveland park, calling it an example of Cheney "still not being
straight
with the American people."
"The vice president said that the first time I met Senator Edwards
was
tonight when we walked on the stage. I guess he forgot the time we
sat
next
to each other for a couple hours about three years ago. I guess he
forgot
the time we met at the swearing in of another senator. So, my wife
Elizabeth
reminded him on the stage," Edwards said as the crowd roared.
According to Edwards' staff, Cheney replied, "Oh, yeah."
"She reminded him about the truth," Edwards told the crowd, "and
come
November, we're going to remind him that the American people do not
want
four more years of George W. Bush."
Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This
material
may
not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
______________________________________________________
Cheney also lied when he stated he has never suggested a connection
between
9/11 and Iraq. In fact, he has made that suggestion many times.
NBC
News
fact-checked his ***** last night by playing a clip of Cheney making
exactly
that suggestion on Meet the Press.
Cheney also lied when he stated that Kerry and Edwards voted for No
Child
Left Behind and are now opposed to it. What Kerry and Edwards have
criticized is the fact that the Bush administration has not properly
funded
the many mandates on local school boards.
As I said, Cheney told several outright lies. Expect these to be
documented
in the coming days as the fact checking proceeds.
Mort, you ready to come out of the closet and admit to being
a Fundy Repug?
Well, I'll admit I like a good argument when I hears one. Being a
centrists I
guess I am a little liberal and conservative. In Europe an American
moderate
would be considered a conservative right winger. But that shows how far
behind
the times they are for in five or ten years they will be similar to how us
middle
of the road Americans are now. Some of us are not trapped in an ideology
and we
are not committed to going down with the ship mentality we can adapt while
other
parts of the world are very inflexible.
You might want to look for a new ship. When this one
starts sinking, Bush will hand you the anchor and toss
you overboard. Feet getting wet. EH!
.
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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07 Oct 2004 12:29:01 AM |
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Cheney lies are pretty brazen. He knows he met edwards before.
I heard a lady say that it just goes to show how forgetable Edwards is.
This
seemed to bring up the possibility that someone could forget Edwards
and
still be
justifiably coherent in remembering other things.
Stupid, just like those SwiftVets. Just plain pathetic.
"William Coleman" <ramashiva@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:<%IT8d.4125$UP1.1450@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
***** Cheney told several outright lies during the debate with John
Edwards
last night. Expect these to be documented during the coming days.
Remember
when Cheney said he the debate was the first time he had met
Edwards?
He
was lying. Check out this story from ABC News.
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20041006_463.html
Meeting Was Not First for Cheney, Edwards
Vice President ***** Cheney, Sen. John Edwards Met Twice Before
Debate,
Contrary to Cheney's Statement
The Associated Press
CLEVELAND Oct. 6, 2004 - Vice President ***** Cheney said Tuesday
night
that
the debate with Democratic Sen. John Edwards marked the first time
they
had
met. In fact, the two had met at least three times previously.
Cheney made the remark while accusing Edwards of frequent absences
from
Senate votes.
"Now, in my capacity as vice president, I am the president of
Senate,
the
presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're
in
session. The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the
stage
tonight," Cheney told Edwards during the debate.
On Feb. 1, 2001, the vice president thanked Edwards by name at a
Senate
prayer breakfast and sat beside him during the event.
On April 8, 2001, Cheney and Edwards shook hands when they met
off-camera
during a taping of NBC's "Meet the Press," moderator Tim Russert
said
Wednesday on "Today."
On Jan. 8, 2003, the two met when the first-term North Carolina
senator
accompanied Elizabeth Dole to her swearing-in by Cheney as a North
Carolina
senator, Edwards aides also said.
Edwards didn't forget their prayer-breakfast meeting. The Democratic
vice
presidential candidate noted the discrepancy at a post-debate rally
in
a
Cleveland park, calling it an example of Cheney "still not being
straight
with the American people."
"The vice president said that the first time I met Senator Edwards
was
tonight when we walked on the stage. I guess he forgot the time we
sat
next
to each other for a couple hours about three years ago. I guess he
forgot
the time we met at the swearing in of another senator. So, my wife
Elizabeth
reminded him on the stage," Edwards said as the crowd roared.
According to Edwards' staff, Cheney replied, "Oh, yeah."
"She reminded him about the truth," Edwards told the crowd, "and
come
November, we're going to remind him that the American people do not
want
four more years of George W. Bush."
Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This
material
may
not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
______________________________________________________
Cheney also lied when he stated he has never suggested a connection
between
9/11 and Iraq. In fact, he has made that suggestion many times.
NBC
News
fact-checked his ***** last night by playing a clip of Cheney making
exactly
that suggestion on Meet the Press.
Cheney also lied when he stated that Kerry and Edwards voted for No
Child
Left Behind and are now opposed to it. What Kerry and Edwards have
criticized is the fact that the Bush administration has not properly
funded
the many mandates on local school boards.
As I said, Cheney told several outright lies. Expect these to be
documented
in the coming days as the fact checking proceeds.
Mort, you ready to come out of the closet and admit to being
a Fundy Repug?
Well, I'll admit I like a good argument when I hears one. Being a
centrists I
guess I am a little liberal and conservative. In Europe an American
moderate
would be considered a conservative right winger. But that shows how far
behind
the times they are for in five or ten years they will be similar to how us
middle
of the road Americans are now. Some of us are not trapped in an ideology
and we
are not committed to going down with the ship mentality we can adapt while
other
parts of the world are very inflexible.
You might want to look for a new ship. When this one
starts sinking, Bush will hand you the anchor and toss
you overboard. Feet getting wet. EH!
Ya its like the saying, "a fish doesn't know its in water." Many people in
America don't realize that they live in the baddest ***** on Earth. They
complain about this and that and don't realize how easy it would be to move to
one of thos "girly boy countries." They could move to ***** countries that do
what stupid terrorists say like puppets. But your saying the baddest motha could
sink? Please describe that.
We still buy and sell more than any country, more countries copy our styles, more
people want to move here than leave, etc endlessly since no countries really even
compare to us. We are the greatest nation in the history of mankind, God's gift
to woman, a stud that gets all the women daily by lifestyle luck. It seems we are
far from sinking.
Nero might be fiddlin but Rome ain't burnin.
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| User: "Keynes" |
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| Title: Re: OT: ***** Cheney is a lying ***** |
07 Oct 2004 01:18:35 AM |
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On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:01:42 -0700, "Immortalist" <Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Well, I'll admit I like a good argument when I hears one. Being a centrists I
guess I am a little liberal and conservative. In Europe an American moderate
would be considered a conservative right winger. But that shows how far behind
the times they are for in five or ten years they will be similar to how us middle
of the road Americans are now. Some of us are not trapped in an ideology and we
are not committed to going down with the ship mentality we can adapt while other
parts of the world are very inflexible.
Nassrudin passed over the mountains into India for the first time.
He was thirsty from his journey so he bought a large basket of
shiny red fruit from the first woman he saw. He was surprised
to find that his last coin could buy the whole basket.
Later a man saw him sitting in the shade of a tree, sweating and
gimacing, eating one fruit after another through his tears.
"Friend! Stop! Don't eat those hot chiles! They will kill you!"
Nassrudin hardly paused to say, "I stopped eating chiles long
ago. Now I'm just eating my money."
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07 Oct 2004 09:21:02 AM |
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"Keynes" <Keynes@earthlinkspam.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:01:42 -0700, "Immortalist"
<Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Well, I'll admit I like a good argument when I hears one. Being a
centrists I
guess I am a little liberal and conservative. In Europe an American
moderate
would be considered a conservative right winger. But that shows how far
behind
the times they are for in five or ten years they will be similar to how
us middle
of the road Americans are now. Some of us are not trapped in an ideology
and we
are not committed to going down with the ship mentality we can adapt
while other
parts of the world are very inflexible.
Nassrudin passed over the mountains into India for the first time.
He was thirsty from his journey so he bought a large basket of
shiny red fruit from the first woman he saw. He was surprised
to find that his last coin could buy the whole basket.
Later a man saw him sitting in the shade of a tree, sweating and
gimacing, eating one fruit after another through his tears.
"Friend! Stop! Don't eat those hot chiles! They will kill you!"
Nassrudin hardly paused to say, "I stopped eating chiles long
ago. Now I'm just eating my money."
I love Sufi stories ... however, I notice that this cross posting started (I
think) with a Transition Zone post yesterday afternoon. This thread started
in rec.gambling.poker by William Coleman. William seems to have started
creating sock puppets in other news groups. I do not know why this is
happening, but William does go into troll mode in RGP from time to time.
That may be happening here. You are welcome to continue with any additional
Nassrudin story that you wish to post. They are all excellent stories.
This is a poker newsgroup that for some reason "someone" is cross posting.
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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07 Oct 2004 11:14:33 AM |
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"da pickle" <jcpickels@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Keynes" <Keynes@earthlinkspam.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:01:42 -0700, "Immortalist"
<Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Well, I'll admit I like a good argument when I hears one. Being a
centrists I
guess I am a little liberal and conservative. In Europe an American
moderate
would be considered a conservative right winger. But that shows how far
behind
the times they are for in five or ten years they will be similar to how
us middle
of the road Americans are now. Some of us are not trapped in an ideology
and we
are not committed to going down with the ship mentality we can adapt
while other
parts of the world are very inflexible.
Nassrudin passed over the mountains into India for the first time.
He was thirsty from his journey so he bought a large basket of
shiny red fruit from the first woman he saw. He was surprised
to find that his last coin could buy the whole basket.
Later a man saw him sitting in the shade of a tree, sweating and
gimacing, eating one fruit after another through his tears.
"Friend! Stop! Don't eat those hot chiles! They will kill you!"
Nassrudin hardly paused to say, "I stopped eating chiles long
ago. Now I'm just eating my money."
I love Sufi stories ... however, I notice that this cross posting started (I
think) with a Transition Zone post yesterday afternoon. This thread started
in rec.gambling.poker by William Coleman. William seems to have started
creating sock puppets in other news groups. I do not know why this is
happening, but William does go into troll mode in RGP from time to time.
That may be happening here. You are welcome to continue with any additional
Nassrudin story that you wish to post. They are all excellent stories.
This is a poker newsgroup that for some reason "someone" is cross posting.
Can you describe the difference between the "Gambler's Fallacy" and the "Lotery
Paradox Fallacy?" Here is a paste of brief descriptions of both mistakes;
Description of Gambler's Fallacy
The Gambler's Fallacy is committed when a person assumes that a departure from
what occurs on average or in the long term will be corrected in the short term.
The form of the fallacy is as follows:
X has happened.
X departs from what is expected to occur on average or over the long term.
Therefore, X will come to an end soon.
There are two common ways this fallacy is committed. In both cases a person is
assuming that some result must be "due" simply because what has previously
happened departs from what would be expected on average or over the long term.
The first involves events whose probabilities of occuring are independent of one
another. For example, one toss of a fair (two sides, non-loaded) coin does not
affect the next toss of the coin. So, each time the coin is tossed there is
(ideally) a 50% chance of it landing heads and a 50% chance of it landing tails.
Suppose that a person tosses a coin 6 times and gets a head each time. If he
concludes that the next toss will be tails because tails "is due", then he will
have committed the Gambler's Fallacy. This is because the results of previous
tosses have no bearing on the outcome of the 7th toss. It has a 50% chance of
being heads and a 50% chance of being tails, just like any other toss.
The second involves cases whose probabilities of occuring are not independent of
one another. For example, suppose that a boxer has won 50% of his fights over the
past two years. Suppose that after several fights he has won 50% of his matches
this year, that he his lost his last six fights and he has six left. If a person
believed that he would win his next six fights because he has used up his losses
and is "due" for a victory, then he would have committed the Gambler's Fallacy.
After all, the person would be ignoring the fact that the results of one match
can influence the results of the next one. For example, the boxer might have been
injured in one match which would lower his chances of winning his last six
fights.
It should be noted that not all predictions about what is likely to occur are
fallacious. If a person has good evidence for his predictions, then they will be
reasonable to accept. For example, if a person tosses a fair coin and gets nine
heads in a row it would be reasonable for him to conclude that he will probably
not get another nine in a row again. This reasoning would not be fallacious as
long as he believed his conclusion because of an understanding of the laws of
probability. In this case, if he concluded that he would not get another nine
heads in a row because the odds of getting nine heads in a row are lower than
getting fewer than nine heads in a row, then his reasoning would be good and his
conclusion would be justified. Hence, determining whether or not the Gambler's
Fallacy is being committed often requires some basic understanding of the laws of
probability.
Examples of Gambler's Fallacy
Bill is playing against Doug in a WWII tank battle game. Doug has had a great
"streak of luck" and has been killing Bill's tanks left and right with good die
rolls. Bill, who has a few tanks left, decides to risk all in a desperate attack
on Doug. He is a bit worried that Doug might wipe him out, but he thinks that
since Doug's luck at rolling has been great Doug must be due for some bad dice
rolls. Bill launches his attack and Doug butchers his forces.
Jane and Bill are talking:
Jane: "I'll be able to buy that car I always wanted soon."
Bill: "Why, did you get a raise?"
Jane: "No. But you know how I've been playing the lottery all these years?"
Bill: "Yes, you buy a ticket for every drawing, without fail."
Jane: "And I've lost every time."
Bill: "So why do you think you will win this time?"
Jane: "Well, after all those losses I'm due for a win."
Joe and Sam are at the race track betting on horses.
Joe: "You see that horse over there? He lost his last four races. I'm going to
bet on him."
Sam: "Why? I think he will probably lose."
Joe: "No way, Sam. I looked up the horse's stats and he has won half his races in
the past two years. Since he has lost three of his last four races, he'll have to
win this race. So I'm betting the farm on him."
Sam: "Are you sure?"
Joe: "Of course I'm sure. That pony is due, man...he's due!"
###############################################
Probability and Justification
[more on the lottery paradox]
Lehrer accords probability a key, though not very prominent, role in his account
of acceptance. As a fallibilist, he admits that we may be justified in believing
what is false. Justification involves a risk of error, and this risk of error
Lehrer identifies with probability of error. A minimum condition on
justification, then, will be that a belief have a relatively high probability of
being true. If I do not think that my belief is highly probable, then I cannot
take it that I am succeeding in satisfying my epistemic goal of accepting only
what is true.
The use of probability is particularly appealing as a way to explain how one
arrives at justification concerning general information or other information that
has not been entirely collected (about the future, for example). The specific
information that we possess makes probable information which we do not possess.
On the other hand, a general belief about my competence, say in identifying red,
may help to make probable a particular belief I have, such as that I see
something red.
There is a significant initial obstacle to building an account of justification
on high probability, however. It is known as the lottery paradox. Let us suppose
that 99.9% probability is to be sufficient for justification. (If you think it is
too high or too low, pick your own number.) Now let there be a fair lottery with
1000 tickets. All have been sold, and one has been drawn. Given the equal
probability that any one of the tickets will win (1 in 1000, or .001), the
probability that a given ticket will lose is .999, or 99.9%. On the hypothesis
that this is the degree of probability required for knowledge, we can conclude
that the proposition that the #1 ticket is a lose is justified. But because the
probabilities for each one of the tickets' losing is the same, the proposition
that the #2 ticket is a loser is also justified.
If we apply this reasoning to each ticket, we will be justified in accepting of
every one of them that they are losers. A simple step takes us to the conclusion
that they all are losers. But we know that one of them has been drawn and hence
is the winner. So we are justified in accepting that all the tickets are losers
and that one is a winner: a paradox.
Some people have tried to disarm the paradox by rejecting the "conjunctive"
principle that I called a "simple step." A good reason for suspicion is that each
of the individual propositions is said to be justified without taking the
justification of the others into account. One starts all over in considering each
ticket. But if we keep in mind that we were just now justified in accepting that
the #1 ticket is a loser, when we consider the #2 ticket, things are different.
The probability that it is a loser is now lower, falling below 99.9%. In that
case, it is not justified. The lesson Lehrer draws from the paradox is that high
probability of propositions in isolation is not enough. We need to take into
account all the other information we have at our disposal, which is
characteristic of a coherence theory. But development of such a theory will have
to wait until Chapters 5 and 6. In the meantime, we shall examine the possibility
of probability as justification in detail.
http://hume.ucdavis.edu/phi102/tkch4.htm
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| User: "da pickle jcpickels@no spamhotmail.com" |
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07 Oct 2004 03:04:16 PM |
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"Immortalist"
Very interesting. From what newsgroup are you reading?
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| User: "YAAK" |
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07 Oct 2004 04:00:19 PM |
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"da pickle" <jcpickels@(no spam)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Immortalist"
Very interesting. From what newsgroup are you reading?
Google. Just type in "Fundy Repug in Centrists clothing".
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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07 Oct 2004 04:14:00 PM |
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"YAAK" <kaay@ayak.kaya> wrote in message
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"da pickle" <jcpickels@(no spam)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Immortalist"
Very interesting. From what newsgroup are you reading?
Google. Just type in "Fundy Repug in Centrists clothing".
This guy gives away his liberal/socialist position to easily. Beware he probably
has pictures of Karl Marx on his wall if he can't see the difference between
moderates and either liberal or conservatives. One thing I know is that if you
are a moderate in newsgroups the attacks from commie bastards will make your
responses sound like you are conservative. Here's to sticking carrots up Marx's
buttole and twisten em'
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| User: "YAAK" |
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07 Oct 2004 05:17:17 PM |
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"Immortalist" <Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"YAAK" <kaay@ayak.kaya> wrote in message
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"da pickle" <jcpickels@(no spam)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:RPmdna4J96AhPPjcRVn-tw@www.bayou.com...
"Immortalist"
Very interesting. From what newsgroup are you reading?
Google. Just type in "Fundy Repug in Centrists clothing".
This guy gives away his liberal/socialist position to easily. Beware he
probably
has pictures of Karl Marx on his wall if he can't see the difference
between
moderates and either liberal or conservatives. One thing I know is that if
you
are a moderate in newsgroups the attacks from commie bastards will make
your
responses sound like you are conservative. Here's to sticking carrots up
Marx's
buttole and twisten em'
Typical Fundy Repug response. You're a Commie if you don't
agree with me. It dates from the days of "Kill a Commie for Christ".
Founded by an indicted preacher who had the bright idea of
raising huge sums of money from dimwitted Fundys to undermine
the Soviet Union by attaching bibles to balloons and floating
them over Russia.
I think one of them must have fallen on Immortalist's noggin
and reborned him again as a "Centrist", Somewhere between
Carl Rove and Jerry Falwell..
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| User: "Dore" |
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08 Oct 2004 07:31:22 PM |
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"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f224cda.0410061327.5e14ad7d@posting.google.com...
Cheney lies are pretty brazen. He knows he met edwards before.
Stupid, just like those SwiftVets. Just plain pathetic.
"William Coleman" <ramashiva@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:<%IT8d.4125$UP1.1450@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
***** Cheney told several outright lies during the debate with John
Edwards
last night. Expect these to be documented during the coming days.
Remember
when Cheney said he the debate was the first time he had met Edwards?
He
was lying. Check out this story from ABC News.
If Edwards really wanted to win, all he would have had to do was ask Cheney
about how to play "the most dangerous game" and it would have been all over.
***** Cheney's version of "A Most Dangerous Game" an excerpt from the
autobiography of Cathy O'Brien, a victim of the CIA'S MKUltra Mind control
program, "Trance-formation of America".
http://www.trance-formation.com/
It is my understanding that "A Most Dangerous Game" was devised to condition
military personnel in survival and combat maneuvers. Yet it was used on me
and other mind controlled slaves known only to me as a means of further
conditioning the mind to the realization there was "no place to hide", as
well as traumatize the victim for ensuing programming. It was my experience
over the years that A Most Dangerous Game has numerous variations on the
primary theme of being stripped naked and turned loose in the wilderness
while being hunted by men and dogs. In reality, all "wilderness" areas were
enclosed in secure military fencing whereby it was only a matter of time
until I was caught, repeatedly raped, and tortured.
***** Cheney has an apparent addiction to the "thrill of the
sport". He appeared obsessed with playing. A Most Dangerous Game as a means
of traumatizing mind-control victims, as well as to satisfy his own perverse
sexual kinks. My introduction to the game occurred upon arrival at the
hunting lodge near Greybull, Wyoming, and it physically and psychologically
devastated me. I was sufficiently traumatized for Cheney's programming as I
stood naked in his hunting lodge office after being hunted down and caught.
Cheney was talking as he paced around me, " I could stuff you and mound you
like a jackalope and call you a two legged dear. Or I could stuff you with
this (he unzipped his pants to reveal his oversized penis) right down your
throat, and then mount you. Which do you prefer?
Blood and sweat became mixed with the dirt on my body and slid
like mud down my legs and shoulder. I throbbed with exhaustion and pain as I
stood unable to think to answer such a question. "make up your mind, "
Cheney coaxed. Unable to speak, I remained silent. "You don't get a choice,
anyway. I make up your mind for you. That's why you're here. For me to make
you a mind, and make you mine/mind. You lost your mind a long time ago. Now
I'm going to give you one. Just like the Wizard of Oz, gave Scarecrow a
brain, the Yellow Brick Road lead you here to me. You've come such a long,
long way' for your brain, and I will give you one". (my note: mind control
programmers would use the Wizard of Oz, Disney films etc on children as
triggers)
The blood reached my shoes and caught my attention. Had I been further along
in programming, I perhaps would have never noticed such a thing or had the
capability to think to wipe it away. But so far, I had only been to MacDill
and Disney World for government/military programming. At last, when I could
speak, I begged, "If you don't mind, can I please use your bathroom?"
Cheney's face turned red with rage. He was on me in an instant,
slamming my back into the wall with one arm across my chest and his hand on
my throat, choking me while applying pressure to the carotid artery in my
neck with his thumb. His eyes bulged and he spit as he growled, "if you don'
t mind me, I will kill you". I could kill you-kill you-with my bare hands.
You're not the first and you won't be the last. I'll kill you anytime I
***** please." He flung me on the cot-type bed that was behind me. There
he finished taking his rage out on me sexually.
But because he didn't and both debates were staged rhetoric, pretense and a
ruse, it just goes to show that they are ALL in on scamming the American
public.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f224cda.0410061327.5e14ad7d@posting.google.com...
Cheney lies are pretty brazen. He knows he met edwards before.
Stupid, just like those SwiftVets. Just plain pathetic.
"William Coleman" <ramashiva@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:<%IT8d.4125$UP1.1450@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
***** Cheney told several outright lies during the debate with John
Edwards
last night. Expect these to be documented during the coming days.
Remember
when Cheney said he the debate was the first time he had met Edwards?
He
was lying. Check out this story from ABC News.
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20041006_463.html
Meeting Was Not First for Cheney, Edwards
Vice President ***** Cheney, Sen. John Edwards Met Twice Before Debate,
Contrary to Cheney's Statement
The Associated Press
CLEVELAND Oct. 6, 2004 - Vice President ***** Cheney said Tuesday night
that
the debate with Democratic Sen. John Edwards marked the first time they
had
met. In fact, the two had met at least three times previously.
Cheney made the remark while accusing Edwards of frequent absences from
Senate votes.
"Now, in my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate,
the
presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in
session. The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage
tonight," Cheney told Edwards during the debate.
On Feb. 1, 2001, the vice president thanked Edwards by name at a Senate
prayer breakfast and sat beside him during the event.
On April 8, 2001, Cheney and Edwards shook hands when they met
off-camera
during a taping of NBC's "Meet the Press," moderator Tim Russert said
Wednesday on "Today."
On Jan. 8, 2003, the two met when the first-term North Carolina senator
accompanied Elizabeth Dole to her swearing-in by Cheney as a North
Carolina
senator, Edwards aides also said.
Edwards didn't forget their prayer-breakfast meeting. The Democratic
vice
presidential candidate noted the discrepancy at a post-debate rally in a
Cleveland park, calling it an example of Cheney "still not being
straight
with the American people."
"The vice president said that the first time I met Senator Edwards was
tonight when we walked on the stage. I guess he forgot the time we sat
next
to each other for a couple hours about three years ago. I guess he
forgot
the time we met at the swearing in of another senator. So, my wife
Elizabeth
reminded him on the stage," Edwards said as the crowd roared.
According to Edwards' staff, Cheney replied, "Oh, yeah."
"She reminded him about the truth," Edwards told the crowd, "and come
November, we're going to remind him that the American people do not want
four more years of George W. Bush."
Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material
may
not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
______________________________________________________
Cheney also lied when he stated he has never suggested a connection
between
9/11 and Iraq. In fact, he has made that suggestion many times. NBC
News
fact-checked his ***** last night by playing a clip of Cheney making
exactly
that suggestion on Meet the Press.
Cheney also lied when he stated that Kerry and Edwards voted for No
Child
Left Behind and are now opposed to it. What Kerry and Edwards have
criticized is the fact that the Bush administration has not properly
funded
the many mandates on local school boards.
As I said, Cheney told several outright lies. Expect these to be
documented
in the coming days as the fact checking proceeds.
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06 Oct 2004 05:00:49 PM |
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Will wash your mouth out with Lifebuoy Soap she
ketch you talkin' like that!
"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f224cda.0410061327.5e14ad7d@posting.google.com...
Cheney lies are pretty brazen. He knows he met edwards before.
Stupid, just like those SwiftVets. Just plain pathetic.
"William Coleman" <ramashiva@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:<%IT8d.4125$UP1.1450@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
***** Cheney told several outright lies during the debate with John
Edwards
last night. Expect these to be documented during the coming days.
Remember
when Cheney said he the debate was the first time he had met Edwards? He
was lying. Check out this story from ABC News.
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20041006_463.html
Meeting Was Not First for Cheney, Edwards
Vice President ***** Cheney, Sen. John Edwards Met Twice Before Debate,
Contrary to Cheney's Statement
The Associated Press
CLEVELAND Oct. 6, 2004 - Vice President ***** Cheney said Tuesday night
that
the debate with Democratic Sen. John Edwards marked the first time they
had
met. In fact, the two had met at least three times previously.
Cheney made the remark while accusing Edwards of frequent absences from
Senate votes.
"Now, in my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate, the
presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in
session. The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage
tonight," Cheney told Edwards during the debate.
On Feb. 1, 2001, the vice president thanked Edwards by name at a Senate
prayer breakfast and sat beside him during the event.
On April 8, 2001, Cheney and Edwards shook hands when they met off-camera
during a taping of NBC's "Meet the Press," moderator Tim Russert said
Wednesday on "Today."
On Jan. 8, 2003, the two met when the first-term North Carolina senator
accompanied Elizabeth Dole to her swearing-in by Cheney as a North
Carolina
senator, Edwards aides also said.
Edwards didn't forget their prayer-breakfast meeting. The Democratic vice
presidential candidate noted the discrepancy at a post-debate rally in a
Cleveland park, calling it an example of Cheney "still not being straight
with the American people."
"The vice president said that the first time I met Senator Edwards was
tonight when we walked on the stage. I guess he forgot the time we sat
next
to each other for a couple hours about three years ago. I guess he forgot
the time we met at the swearing in of another senator. So, my wife
Elizabeth
reminded him on the stage," Edwards said as the crowd roared.
According to Edwards' staff, Cheney replied, "Oh, yeah."
"She reminded him about the truth," Edwards told the crowd, "and come
November, we're going to remind him that the American people do not want
four more years of George W. Bush."
Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material
may
not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
______________________________________________________
Cheney also lied when he stated he has never suggested a connection
between
9/11 and Iraq. In fact, he has made that suggestion many times. NBC
News
fact-checked his ***** last night by playing a clip of Cheney making
exactly
that suggestion on Meet the Press.
Cheney also lied when he stated that Kerry and Edwards voted for No Child
Left Behind and are now opposed to it. What Kerry and Edwards have
criticized is the fact that the Bush administration has not properly
funded
the many mandates on local school boards.
As I said, Cheney told several outright lies. Expect these to be
documented
in the coming days as the fact checking proceeds.
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