Religions > Bible > Re: OT: An interesting snippet about proof of God's Existence.
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"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On 22 Jan 2005 10:33:17 -0800, (angry pankration
warrior) wrote:
"If you have an open mind, there is already ample evidence to prove it
to you.
Our minds are always open, to empirical evidence.
God doesn't have
to jump through your hoops to prove the existence of God to you.
That depends on a number of things, for example; Does your god *want* us
to
believe?
If it does, then it is up to it, to make it's self known to us.
But if you've already decided that God does not exist, no amount of
evidence
will be adequate to convince you.
Not exactly. It is NO evidence that has convinced us that there is no
god,
those of us who take that position, that is.
Evidence, is something that we have often been told exists, but we have
never
seen.
The god of your definition does indeed not exist, we can all agree on
that. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully
manifested in Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary, and we know love exists.
We Christians not only experienced the love that is our God, but we have
seen Him We are sorry to hear, that you like most atheists, never have seen
nor experienced love.
Turn over your life to Jesus and you too will experience the love of
God.
Pastor Frank
SONS OF GOD
Jesus in Jn:8:35-36: And the servant abideth not in the house for ever:
but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall
be free indeed.
Jesus in Jn:15:15: Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant
knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all
things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
Jn:1:12: But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Rom:8:14: For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons
of God.
Rom:8:19: For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the
manifestation of the sons of God.
Phil:2:15: That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God,
without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among
whom ye shine as lights in the world;
1Jn:3:1: Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us,
that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us
not, because it knew him not.
1Jn:3:2: Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear
what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like
him; for we shall see him as he is.
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26 Jan 2005 07:49:26 PM |
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Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:45:44 +0800
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"If you have an open mind, there is already ample evidence to prove it
to you.
Our minds are always open, to empirical evidence.
Evidence, is something that we have often been told exists, but we have never
seen.
The god of your definition does indeed not exist, we can all agree on
that. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully
manifested in Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary, and we know love exists.
We Christians not only experienced the love that is our God, but we have
seen Him We are sorry to hear, that you like most atheists, never have seen
nor experienced love.
That isn't an example of empirical evidence, which means you are dishonestly
dodging and evading the point again.
"God is love" is nonsense as a definition for God since it is simply an
anthromorphologicalization of a concept. If you had bothered to read the Bible
on this matter, you would see that what the Bible means by "God is love" is that
everything God does is out of love, which makes "God is love" an analogy, not an
anthromorphologicalization.
But knowing you, you won't understand this simple reasoning so let me put this
to you another way...
If God is love then everyone believes in "God" -- including Atheists. What this
means is that whereas an Atheist will say, "I love you" a believer will say "I
God you" -- which is utter nonsense. If we pretend that "God is love" as a
definition, than it is woefully incomplete for it tells us nothing about the
person of God, only it's actions. If we pretend that everything God does is out
of love, then it is a lie, for God sends people to Hell for eternity, mass
murders, and is vengeful -- all things the anti-thesis of love.
Turn over your life to Jesus and you too will experience the love of
God.
Turn over your life to logic and reason and you too will experience what it
means to be able to think for yourself instead of letting someone else who
doesn't know what they are talking about do your thinking for you.
The Sage
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27 Jan 2005 07:42:26 AM |
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"The_Sage" <specialoffers@CityBend.com> wrote in message
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Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:45:44 +0800
MsgID:<1106659781.425f65d01017844d5398ae51d8436579@teranews>
"If you have an open mind, there is already ample evidence to prove it
to you.
Our minds are always open, to empirical evidence.
Evidence, is something that we have often been told exists, but we have
never
seen.
The god of your definition does indeed not exist, we can all agree
on
that. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully
manifested in Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary, and we know love
exists.
We Christians not only experienced the love that is our God, but we have
seen Him We are sorry to hear, that you like most atheists, never have
seen
nor experienced love.
"God is love" is nonsense as a definition for God since it is simply an
anthromorphologicalization of a concept. If you had bothered to read the
Bible
on this matter, you would see that what the Bible means by "God is love"
is that
everything God does is out of love, which makes "God is love" an analogy,
not an
anthromorphologicalization.
No. "God is love" means God is the eternal quality, the "spirit" of love
(John 4:24), which becomes manifested in humans, particularly in Jesus
Christ on the cross of Calvary.
If God is love then everyone believes in "God" -- including Atheists.
Not so. Most atheists are paranoid cynics who don't trust love an inch,
for they can see, that those who profess to love him, including animals, do
so to get fed and housed, and only love him as long as he provides the
necessities of life.
What this
means is that whereas an Atheist will say, "I love you" a believer will
say "I
God you" -- which is utter nonsense.
Again, no. "God is Love" is not an equation, for God is love among many
other such ideals of qualities.
If we pretend that "God is love" as a
definition, than it is woefully incomplete for it tells us nothing about
the
person of God, only it's actions. If we pretend that everything God does
is out
of love, then it is a lie, for God sends people to Hell for eternity, mass
murders, and is vengeful -- all things the anti-thesis of love.
That is Judaism. Are you a Jew?
Turn over your life to Jesus and you too will experience the love of
God.
Turn over your life to logic and reason and you too will experience what
it
means to be able to think for yourself instead of letting someone else who
doesn't know what they are talking about do your thinking for you.
You do whatever you do to the one you love. Loving requires surprisingly
little logic and reason, and that's why even the dimmest mind has access to
the Kingdom of God. You will notice, that the dim-witted are likely more
genuine, and often love more and better.
Pastor Frank
LOVE
Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples,
if ye have love one to another.
Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one another,
as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down
his life for his friends.
Jesus in John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command...
Jesus in John 14:21-24 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the
one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will
love him and show myself to him." He who does not love me will not obey my
teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who
sent me."
Jesus in Mt:7:21-23: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father
which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy
name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never
knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
1 Corinthians 13:4-8 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it
does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it
is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight
in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts,
always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.
1 John 4:7-13 (KJV) "Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of
God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that
loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. In this was manifested the
love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into
the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we
loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for
our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth
in us, and his love is perfected in us. Hereby know we that we dwell in
him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit."
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11 Feb 2005 02:31:12 PM |
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"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:46:08 -0500, (For Zion)
wrote:
All that can be perceived, as far as the eye can see, all that can be
felt, is HM. God is everywhere, at once, at the same time. Eternal,
Omnipotent, Omnipresent. Al-le-lu-i-a!!!
I don't suppose that you have any evidence to support that?
That's the way love is, Puck, "Eternal, Omnipotent, Omnipresent" etc.
for "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16). You might as well get used to it, for
your atheist hate will not overcome love.
Pastor Frank
"GOD" The Christian meaning of the word according to scripture:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth,
and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth ye know Him, and
have seen Him.
Philip saith unto him: Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak
not of myself, but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes
in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me sees
Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
believes in me should not abide in darkness."
Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: The kingdom of
God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU.
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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11 Feb 2005 06:17:36 PM |
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Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:31:12 +0800
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All that can be perceived, as far as the eye can see, all that can be
felt, is HM. God is everywhere, at once, at the same time. Eternal,
Omnipotent, Omnipresent. Al-le-lu-i-a!!!
I don't suppose that you have any evidence to support that?
That's the way love is, Puck, "Eternal, Omnipotent, Omnipresent" etc.
for "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16). You might as well get used to it, for
your atheist hate will not overcome love.
That isn't evidence, that is a statement of faith.
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"The men that American people admire most extravagantly are
most daring liars; the men they detest the most violently are
those who try to tell them the truth" -- H. L. Mencken
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11 Feb 2005 06:34:01 AM |
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"For Zion" <Mission_Foot@webtv.net> wrote in message
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All that can be perceived, as far as the eye can see, all that can be
felt, is HM. God is everywhere, at once, at the same time. Eternal,
Omnipotent, Omnipresent. Al-le-lu-i-a!!!
That is not you talking, but God talking through you. See below
Pastor Frank
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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11 Feb 2005 06:16:58 PM |
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Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:34:01 +0800
MsgID:<1108128492.c8af774d8a339396b9b9ceebc01c9448@teranews>
All that can be perceived, as far as the eye can see, all that can be
felt, is HM. God is everywhere, at once, at the same time. Eternal,
Omnipotent, Omnipresent. Al-le-lu-i-a!!!
That is not you talking, but God talking through you. See below
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Well in that case, God is telling you, through me, that He doesn't exist.
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"The men that American people admire most extravagantly are
most daring liars; the men they detest the most violently are
those who try to tell them the truth" -- H. L. Mencken
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11 Feb 2005 08:02:20 PM |
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"The_Sage" <The_Sage@msn.com> wrote in message
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Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:34:01 +0800
MsgID:<1108128492.c8af774d8a339396b9b9ceebc01c9448@teranews>
All that can be perceived, as far as the eye can see, all that can be
felt, is HM. God is everywhere, at once, at the same time. Eternal,
Omnipotent, Omnipresent. Al-le-lu-i-a!!!
That is not you talking, but God talking through you. See below
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as
certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Well in that case, God is telling you, through me, that He doesn't exist.
The god of YOUR definition most certainly does not exist, but our "God
is love" (1 John 4:8,16), become visibly and fully manifested in Jesus
Christ, and we KNOW our God exists. See below how Jesus explains the concept
to a rather skeptical Philip.
Pastor Frank
"GOD" The Christian meaning of the word according to scripture:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth,
and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth ye know Him, and
have seen Him.
Philip saith unto him: Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak
not of myself, but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes
in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me sees
Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
believes in me should not abide in darkness."
Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: The kingdom of
God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU.
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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12 Feb 2005 07:18:33 PM |
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Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:02:20 +0800
MsgID:<1108212519.be10ba55819663556d2ca763fcc77377@teranews>
All that can be perceived, as far as the eye can see, all that can be
felt, is HM. God is everywhere, at once, at the same time. Eternal,
Omnipotent, Omnipresent. Al-le-lu-i-a!!!
That is not you talking, but God talking through you. See below
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Well in that case, God is telling you, through me, that He doesn't exist.
The god of YOUR definition most certainly does not exist,
My definition of God is EXACTLY the same definition as YOURS, so you are telling
me that your God most certainly doesn't exist. Thanks for agreeing with me.
but our "God
is love" (1 John 4:8,16), become visibly and fully manifested in Jesus
Christ, and we KNOW our God exists.
You have no clue what "existence" is so how could you possibly know that your
"God" exists?
See below how Jesus explains the concept to a rather skeptical Philip.
I don't believe in fairytales so don't expect me to gullibly read them.
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"The men that American people admire most extravagantly are
most daring liars; the men they detest the most violently are
those who try to tell them the truth" -- H. L. Mencken
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13 Feb 2005 05:06:22 AM |
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"The_Sage" <The_Sage@msn.com> wrote in message
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Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:02:20 +0800
MsgID:<1108212519.be10ba55819663556d2ca763fcc77377@teranews>
All that can be perceived, as far as the eye can see, all that can be
felt, is HM. God is everywhere, at once, at the same time. Eternal,
Omnipotent, Omnipresent. Al-le-lu-i-a!!!
That is not you talking, but God talking through you. See below
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as
certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Well in that case, God is telling you, through me, that He doesn't exist.
The god of YOUR definition most certainly does not exist,
My definition of God is EXACTLY the same definition as YOURS, so you are
telling
me that your God most certainly doesn't exist. Thanks for agreeing with
me.
I doubt you now the God of Christ and Christians. You also don't WANT to
know, for you want to keep trashing our religion and flaming its believers
in our very own Christian News Groups.
First of all there is no lack of existing gods. Second, our Christian
"God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in Jesus Christ. By
far most people believe in our God, so you must be the exception.
Pastor Frank
"GOD" The Christian meaning of the word according to scripture:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth,
and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth ye know Him, and
have seen Him.
Philip saith unto him: Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak
not of myself, but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes
in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me sees
Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
believes in me should not abide in darkness."
Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: The kingdom of
God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU.
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
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13 Feb 2005 05:20:42 PM |
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Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:06:22 +0800
MsgID:<1108297212.4e4ffbd9bdf59a92f388ea16d13d18dd@teranews>
I doubt you now the God of Christ and Christians. You also don't WANT to
know, for you want to keep trashing our religion and flaming its believers
in our very own Christian News Groups.
Now you are being a hypocrite. Again. I doubt you know Atheism. You also don't
WANT to know, for you want to keep trashing Atheism and flaming it's followers
in the Christian AND Athiest Newsgroups.
First of all there is no lack of existing gods.
Show me just one that exists outside of your imagination then.
Second, our Christian
"God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in Jesus Christ.
Your God might be love but you most certainly are not, so what good does it do
for your God to be love?
By far most people believe in our God, so you must be the exception.
I most certainly am an exception because I don't believe in blindly following
the crowd as you practice doing.
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"The men that American people admire most extravagantly are
most daring liars; the men they detest the most violently are
those who try to tell them the truth" -- H. L. Mencken
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14 Feb 2005 02:41:14 AM |
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"The_Sage" <The_Sage@msn.com> wrote in message
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Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:06:22 +0800
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I doubt you now the God of Christ and Christians. You also don't WANT
to
know, for you want to keep trashing our religion and flaming its believers
in our very own Christian News Groups.
Now you are being a hypocrite. Again. I doubt you know Atheism. You also
don't
WANT to know, for you want to keep trashing Atheism and flaming it's
followers
in the Christian AND Athiest Newsgroups.
First of all there is no lack of existing gods.
Show me just one that exists outside of your imagination then.
I not only can show you, but I even have a genuine hand-carved animist
fertility god on my key-chain, you can buy. Museums have many more. But
naturally they are not the god(s) of YOUR definition, are they? For, like I
told you so many times before, the god(s) of YOUR definition don't exist,
but you just won't believe, for not believing is what atheism is all about,
isn't it?
Second, our Christian
"God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in Jesus Christ.
Your God might be love but you most certainly are not, so what good does
it do
for your God to be love?
That's another rule of atheism, it's always about what something is NOT.
Christ is about what something IS.
By far most people believe in our God, so you must be the exception.
I most certainly am an exception because I don't believe in blindly
following
the crowd as you practice doing.
Right! You are a true non-believer who lives in his doubt, where
Christians aim to believe and live in their faith. We adore and worship,
atheists vilify and condemn. The list goes on, but in the end only those who
practice loving and caring after the example of Christ enter into life, all
others seek to die and to cease to exist, but cannot.
Pastor Frank
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
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Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:41:14 +0800
MsgID:<1108387489.138953b90b54f5327bdfb90b6a505ee6@teranews>
I doubt you now the God of Christ and Christians. You also don't WANT to
know, for you want to keep trashing our religion and flaming its believers
in our very own Christian News Groups.
Now you are being a hypocrite. Again. I doubt you know Atheism. You also don't
WANT to know, for you want to keep trashing Atheism and flaming it's followers
in the Christian AND Athiest Newsgroups.
First of all there is no lack of existing gods.
Show me just one that exists outside of your imagination then.
I not only can show you, but I even have a genuine hand-carved animist
fertility god on my key-chain, you can buy. Museums have many more. But
naturally they are not the god(s) of YOUR definition, are they?
I noticed you couldn't use your God as an example...I wonder why not?
A carving is not a God, it is a REPRESENTATION of what they IMAGINED their God
to look like. You lose; try again.
For, like I
told you so many times before, the god(s) of YOUR definition don't exist,
Like I told you before, no God of ANY definition exists.
but you just won't believe, for not believing is what atheism is all about,
isn't it?
No, on the contary Atheism is all about believing, but Atheists believe in
facts, not fantasies. God is your fantasy and therefore there is nothing to
believe in your case.
Second, our Christian
"God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in Jesus Christ.
Your God might be love but you most certainly are not, so what good does it do
for your God to be love?
That's another rule of atheism, it's always about what something is NOT.
Christ is about what something IS.
I still don't see what it does for your God to be love...did you even try to
answer the question?
By far most people believe in our God, so you must be the exception.
I most certainly am an exception because I don't believe in blindly following
the crowd as you practice doing.
Right! You are a true non-believer who lives in his doubt,
Wrong! I have no doubts because everything I believe in is based on facts and
not fantasies.
where Christians aim to believe and live in their faith.
But unlike Atheists, christians completely fail to acheive their goal, according
to your definition, since their religious ideals are "completely beyond reach".
We adore and worship, atheists vilify and condemn. The list goes on,
Your list does go on and on but your list is a collection of outright lies
instead of honest-to-God truth, so your list means nothing in reality.
but in the end only those who
practice loving and caring after the example of Christ enter into life, all
others seek to die and to cease to exist, but cannot.
I don't see any evidence of love in your replies to me so I would say that you
will not enter into life by your definition.
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"The men that American people admire most extravagantly are
most daring liars; the men they detest the most violently are
those who try to tell them the truth" -- H. L. Mencken
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"The_Sage" <The_Sage@msn.com> wrote in message
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Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:41:14 +0800
MsgID:<1108387489.138953b90b54f5327bdfb90b6a505ee6@teranews>
I doubt you now the God of Christ and Christians. You also don't
WANT to
know, for you want to keep trashing our religion and flaming its
believers
in our very own Christian News Groups.
Now you are being a hypocrite. Again. I doubt you know Atheism. You also
don't
WANT to know, for you want to keep trashing Atheism and flaming it's
followers
in the Christian AND Athiest Newsgroups.
First of all there is no lack of existing gods.
Show me just one that exists outside of your imagination then.
I not only can show you, but I even have a genuine hand-carved animist
fertility god on my key-chain, you can buy. Museums have many more. But
naturally they are not the god(s) of YOUR definition, are they?
I noticed you couldn't use your God as an example...I wonder why not?
Because we all choose our god or devil whom we want serve and our
Christian "God is love", become fully manifested in Jesus Christ. You had
problems with that bofe and the only god(s) you seem to understand are
concrete ones.
A carving is not a God, it is a REPRESENTATION of what they IMAGINED their
God
to look like. You lose; try again
That's what YOU say. Tell that to an animist worshipping his carving,
his rock or tree etc. and you may well get your lights punched out.
For, like I
told you so many times before, the god(s) of YOUR definition don't exist,
Like I told you before, no God of ANY definition exists.
Whatever anyone worships is his god or devil. My God is the visible God
of Christ and I can see Him, so can you, but you won't look. I am sure you
worship something or someone, most people do, most worship money and power.
Their god is Mammon. Like I said there is no lack of existing gods, only
YOUR god(s) don't exist.
but you just won't believe, for not believing is what atheism is all
about,
isn't it?
No, on the contary Atheism is all about believing, but Atheists believe in
facts, not fantasies. God is your fantasy and therefore there is nothing
to
believe in your case.
Then you are in the wrong News Groups, for we don't deal with facts and
reality etc. but with belief, faith and ideals.
Second, our Christian
"God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in Jesus Christ.
Your God might be love but you most certainly are not, so what good does
it do
for your God to be love?
That's another rule of atheism, it's always about what something is
NOT.
Christ is about what something IS.
I still don't see what it does for your God to be love...did you even try
to
answer the question?
By far most people believe in our God, so you must be the exception.
I most certainly am an exception because I don't believe in blindly
following
the crowd as you practice doing.
Right! You are a true non-believer who lives in his doubt,
Wrong! I have no doubts because everything I believe in is based on facts
and
not fantasies.
Then you have no ideals? Ideals are always "fantasies". Like I said, you
are in the wrong News Groups.
where Christians aim to believe and live in their faith.
But unlike Atheists, christians completely fail to acheive their goal,
according
to your definition, since their religious ideals are "completely beyond
reach".
Ideals are always "out of reach", but that doesn't stop most to aim for
perfection in whatever they do. Are you saying you won't even try?
We adore and worship, atheists vilify and condemn. The list goes on,
Your list does go on and on but your list is a collection of outright lies
instead of honest-to-God truth, so your list means nothing in reality.
Thanks for proving my point, for you call "lies" everything anyone ever
says in our pristine Christian NGs. Looks like your god is "gadfly".
but in the end only those who
practice loving and caring after the example of Christ enter into life,
all
others seek to die and to cease to exist, but cannot.
I don't see any evidence of love in your replies to me so I would say that
you
will not enter into life by your definition.
I answer you, for I care about you. If I didn't, I wouldn't waste my
time, would I now?
Pastor Frank
SONS OF GOD
Jesus in Jn:8:35-36: And the servant abideth not in the house for ever:
but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall
be free indeed.
Jesus in Jn:15:15: Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant
knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all
things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
Jn:1:12: But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Rom:8:14: For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons
of God.
Rom:8:19: For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the
manifestation of the sons of God.
Phil:2:15: That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God,
without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among
whom ye shine as lights in the world;
1Jn:3:1: Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us,
that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us
not, because it knew him not.
1Jn:3:2: Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear
what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like
him; for we shall see him as he is.
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15 Feb 2005 09:20:01 PM |
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Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:27:07 +0800
MsgID:<1108475344.e071f5671c83cc8d85fbc9889f2e3887@teranews>
First of all there is no lack of existing gods.
Show me just one that exists outside of your imagination then.
I not only can show you, but I even have a genuine hand-carved animist
fertility god on my key-chain, you can buy. Museums have many more. But
naturally they are not the god(s) of YOUR definition, are they?
I noticed you couldn't use your God as an example...I wonder why not?
Because we all choose our god or devil whom we want serve and our
Christian "God is love", become fully manifested in Jesus Christ. You had
problems with that bofe and the only god(s) you seem to understand are
concrete ones.
That doesn't explain why you couldn't use your God as an example.
In other words, you still have no examples of any Gods that exist outside of
your imagination.
A carving is not a God, it is a REPRESENTATION of what they IMAGINED their God
to look like. You lose; try again
That's what YOU say.
No, that's what animists say, since by definition the object they "worship"
isn't a God but the objects are *POSSESSED* by Gods which have neither form nor
substance.
Tell that to an animist worshipping his carving,
his rock or tree etc. and you may well get your lights punched out.
I don't know of any violent animists...although I know of many violent
Christians.
For, like I
told you so many times before, the god(s) of YOUR definition don't exist,
Like I told you before, no God of ANY definition exists.
Whatever anyone worships is his god or devil. My God is the visible God
of Christ and I can see Him, so can you, but you won't look.
Where do you find God? In the sky? Under a rock? In the toilet? Where? I'm
looking but you can't show me where to look in any real place outside of your
imagination.
I am sure you
worship something or someone, most people do, most worship money and power.
Your belief that I worship anything is a false belief -- not too much unlike
your other beliefs.
Their god is Mammon. Like I said there is no lack of existing gods, only
YOUR god(s) don't exist.
Like I said, your complete and total lack of proof that there are any Gods that
exist outside of your imagination proves you have no clue what you are talking
about.
but you just won't believe, for not believing is what atheism is all about,
isn't it?
No, on the contary Atheism is all about believing, but Atheists believe in
facts, not fantasies. God is your fantasy and therefore there is nothing to
believe in your case.
Then you are in the wrong News Groups, for we don't deal with facts and
reality etc. but with belief, faith and ideals.
Translation: Pastor Frank deals with non-facts and non-reality, ie -- by
definition the imaginary and make believe. Your complete and total inability to
demonstrate any God that exists outside of your imagination is evidence of that.
Second, our Christian
"God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in Jesus Christ.
Your God might be love but you most certainly are not, so what good does it do
for your God to be love?
That's another rule of atheism, it's always about what something is NOT.
Christ is about what something IS.
I still don't see what it does for your God to be love...did you even try to
answer the question?
By far most people believe in our God, so you must be the exception.
I most certainly am an exception because I don't believe in blindly following
the crowd as you practice doing.
Right! You are a true non-believer who lives in his doubt,
Wrong! I have no doubts because everything I believe in is based on facts and
not fantasies.
Then you have no ideals? Ideals are always "fantasies".
I have no ideals that fit your personal redefinition of the word as given in
these posts.
Like I said, you are in the wrong News Groups.
The fact is that these are the best Newsgroups to be in because "Those who are
well don't need a physician but those who are sick" so that eliminates the
Atheist groups (which are well) and leaves the Christian ones (which are
violently sick)
where Christians aim to believe and live in their faith.
But unlike Atheists, christians completely fail to acheive their goal, according
to your definition, since their religious ideals are "completely beyond reach".
Ideals are always "out of reach"...
Completely false. Get a dictionary, please, instead of going on and on about
something you know nothing about.
We adore and worship, atheists vilify and condemn. The list goes on,
Your list does go on and on but your list is a collection of outright lies
instead of honest-to-God truth, so your list means nothing in reality.
Thanks for proving my point, for you call "lies" everything anyone ever
says in our pristine Christian NGs. Looks like your god is "gadfly".
Wrong again. For example, you claim to not being interested in facts and
reality, which I agree with as the truth.
but in the end only those who
practice loving and caring after the example of Christ enter into life, all
others seek to die and to cease to exist, but cannot.
I don't see any evidence of love in your replies to me so I would say that you
will not enter into life by your definition.
I answer you, for I care about you. If I didn't, I wouldn't waste my
time, would I now?
Yes you would. Your insulting and condescending attitude is evidence that your
"concern" is not for any affection you could have for me but on supressing
anything that contradicts your beliefs. And considering your complete lack of
interest in me personally, your idea of love is very impersonal and therefore
could not be a real love to begin with.
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"The men that American people admire most extravagantly are
most daring liars; the men they detest the most violently are
those who try to tell them the truth" -- H. L. Mencken
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15 Feb 2005 05:13:13 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
[SNIPALOT]
Then you are in the wrong News Groups, for we don't deal with facts and
reality etc. but with belief, faith and ideals.
===>Finally, an honest statement from Frank the (typically) Liar!
That is the ultimate admission that you live in a world of fantasy,
rather than "facts and reality".
This message of yours is worth saving. -- L.
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15 Feb 2005 02:41:00 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"For Zion" <Mission_Foot@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:3355-420C1C70-366@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
All that can be perceived, as far as the eye can see, all that can be
felt, is HM.
===>That is PANTHEISM.
God is everywhere, at once, at the same time. Eternal,
Omnipotent, Omnipresent.
===>But that is NOT the one described in the Bible!
Al-le-lu-i-a!!!
===>Correctly it is "hallelujah", which is a
Hebrew liturgical expression meaning
“praise ye Yah”.
However, the deity it refers to, YHWH, is by no
means "omnipotent" or "omnipresent" or "omniscient"!
Read the Bible.
That is not you talking, but God talking through you.
===>What happened, Sheepherder?
Are you now acknowledging the "God of the Jews"
you typically speak against???
See below
Pastor Frank
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
===>That is an idea stolen from Pantheistic Stoicism.
The Stoics at least had a sane idea about "GOD",
unlike you and Christians in general. -- L.
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28 Jan 2005 09:59:08 PM |
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Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:42:26 +0800
MsgID:<1106894667.4cf223e267c6c74b81e8d013ff5a669d@teranews>
"If you have an open mind, there is already ample evidence to prove it
to you.
Our minds are always open, to empirical evidence.
Evidence, is something that we have often been told exists, but we have never
seen.
The god of your definition does indeed not exist, we can all agree on
that. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully
manifested in Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary, and we know love exists.
We Christians not only experienced the love that is our God, but we have
seen Him We are sorry to hear, that you like most atheists, never have seen
nor experienced love.
"God is love" is nonsense as a definition for God since it is simply an
anthromorphologicalization of a concept. If you had bothered to read the Bible
on this matter, you would see that what the Bible means by "God is love" is that
everything God does is out of love, which makes "God is love" an analogy, not an
anthromorphologicalization.
No. "God is love" means God is the eternal quality, the "spirit" of love
(John 4:24), which becomes manifested in humans, particularly in Jesus
Christ on the cross of Calvary.
Since love is not eternal nor a spirit, again that is just pure nonsense.
Haven't you ever read I Cor 13? Seeing as the I Cor form of love is imaginary
instead of real, it will not manifest anywhere in anyone at anytime, therefore
you could say that God is like love, in that God is imaginary and cannot
manifest anywhere to anyone at anytime.
If God is love then everyone believes in "God" -- including Atheists.
Not so. Most atheists are paranoid cynics who don't trust love an inch,
for they can see, that those who profess to love him, including animals, do
so to get fed and housed, and only love him as long as he provides the
necessities of life.
Obviously a slanderous statement concantenated to a spiteful insult made in
reference to animals...both slander and spite are not qualities of love and
prove you do not have love in you and therefore proof that God is not in you or
with you. Again I ask, why haven't you read I Cor 13?
What this
means is that whereas an Atheist will say, "I love you" a believer will say "I
God you" -- which is utter nonsense.
Again, no. "God is Love" is not an equation, for God is love among many
other such ideals of qualities.
My point exactly. God is not love and, like yourself, God does not demonstrate
loving qualities.
If we pretend that "God is love" as a
definition, than it is woefully incomplete for it tells us nothing about the
person of God, only it's actions. If we pretend that everything God does is out
of love, then it is a lie, for God sends people to Hell for eternity, mass
murders, and is vengeful -- all things the anti-thesis of love.
That is Judaism. Are you a Jew?
The God of the Jews is the exact same God as the God of the Christians. Are you
ignorant of the history of your own beliefs?
As both the Christian and Jewish Bible say, God is the same yesterday, today,
and forever and if God was a mass murdering, vengeful lunatic yesterday, He will
still be one today.
Turn over your life to Jesus and you too will experience the love of
God.
Turn over your life to logic and reason and you too will experience what it
means to be able to think for yourself instead of letting someone else who
doesn't know what they are talking about do your thinking for you.
You do whatever you do to the one you love. Loving requires surprisingly
little logic and reason, and that's why even the dimmest mind has access to
the Kingdom of God. You will notice, that the dim-witted are likely more
genuine, and often love more and better.
I would believe you if you could practice what you preach but you don't. But if
we were to pretend it were at least partially true for a moment, I would say you
were well on your way to becoming a loving, God-like person someday, seeing as
you are dim-witted with no logic and reason.
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"The men that American people admire most extravagantly are
most daring liars; the men they detest the most violently are
those who try to tell them the truth" -- H. L. Mencken
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28 Jan 2005 10:24:27 PM |
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The_Sage wrote:
Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:42:26 +0800
MsgID:<1106894667.4cf223e267c6c74b81e8d013ff5a669d@teranews>
"If you have an open mind, there is already ample evidence to prove it
to you.
Our minds are always open, to empirical evidence.
Evidence, is something that we have often been told exists, but we have never
seen.
The god of your definition does indeed not exist, we can all agree on
that. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully
manifested in Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary, and we know love exists.
We Christians not only experienced the love that is our God, but we have
seen Him We are sorry to hear, that you like most atheists, never have seen
nor experienced love.
"God is love" is nonsense as a definition for God since it is simply an
anthromorphologicalization of a concept. If you had bothered to read the Bible
on this matter, you would see that what the Bible means by "God is love" is that
everything God does is out of love, which makes "God is love" an analogy, not an
anthromorphologicalization.
No. "God is love" means God is the eternal quality, the "spirit" of love
(John 4:24), which becomes manifested in humans, particularly in Jesus
Christ on the cross of Calvary.
Since love is not eternal nor a spirit, again that is just pure nonsense.
Haven't you ever read I Cor 13? Seeing as the I Cor form of love is imaginary
instead of real, it will not manifest anywhere in anyone at anytime, therefore
you could say that God is like love, in that God is imaginary and cannot
manifest anywhere to anyone at anytime.
If God is love then everyone believes in "God" -- including Atheists.
Not so. Most atheists are paranoid cynics who don't trust love an inch,
for they can see, that those who profess to love him, including animals, do
so to get fed and housed, and only love him as long as he provides the
necessities of life.
Obviously a slanderous statement concantenated to a spiteful insult made in
reference to animals...both slander and spite are not qualities of love and
prove you do not have love in you and therefore proof that God is not in you or
with you. Again I ask, why haven't you read I Cor 13?
What this
means is that whereas an Atheist will say, "I love you" a believer will say "I
God you" -- which is utter nonsense.
Again, no. "God is Love" is not an equation, for God is love among many
other such ideals of qualities.
My point exactly. God is not love and, like yourself, God does not demonstrate
loving qualities.
If we pretend that "God is love" as a
definition, than it is woefully incomplete for it tells us nothing about the
person of God, only it's actions. If we pretend that everything God does is out
of love, then it is a lie, for God sends people to Hell for eternity, mass
murders, and is vengeful -- all things the anti-thesis of love.
That is Judaism. Are you a Jew?
The God of the Jews is the exact same God as the God of the Christians. Are you
ignorant of the history of your own beliefs?
===>Sheepherder, the fake "pastor" prefers to ignore that history.
He appears to be some sort of neo-Marcionite, who rejects the
"Old Testament" AND what he calls the "God of the Jews". -- L.
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29 Jan 2005 02:31:40 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
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The God of the Jews is the exact same God as the God of the Christians.
Are you
ignorant of the history of your own beliefs?
===>Sheepherder, the fake "pastor" prefers to ignore that history.
He appears to be some sort of neo-Marcionite, who rejects the
"Old Testament" AND what he calls the "God of the Jews". -- L.
You haven't heard that from Jews. They reject Christ precisely because
His God is NOT the God of the Jews. But then, you don't care much, just as
long as you can be contrary and hateful in our pristine Christian NGs, for
that appears to be your entire purpose in life.
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30 Jan 2005 12:56:50 AM |
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Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:31:40 +0800
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The God of the Jews is the exact same God as the God of the Christians. Are you
ignorant of the history of your own beliefs?
===>Sheepherder, the fake "pastor" prefers to ignore that history.
He appears to be some sort of neo-Marcionite, who rejects the
"Old Testament" AND what he calls the "God of the Jews". -- L.
You haven't heard that from Jews. They reject Christ precisely because
His God is NOT the God of the Jews.
Then why can't you show us precisely where the Jewish community states that?
The Sage
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30 Jan 2005 06:20:57 AM |
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"The_Sage" <specialoffers@CityBend.com> wrote in message
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Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:31:40 +0800
MsgID:<1107036086.a46964de7974a6a788ef0f557a2e7719@teranews>
The God of the Jews is the exact same God as the God of the Christians.
Are you
ignorant of the history of your own beliefs?
===>Sheepherder, the fake "pastor" prefers to ignore that history.
He appears to be some sort of neo-Marcionite, who rejects the
"Old Testament" AND what he calls the "God of the Jews". -- L.
You haven't heard that from Jews. They reject Christ precisely
because
His God is NOT the God of the Jews.
Then why can't you show us precisely where the Jewish community states
that?
See below.
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Jn:10:33-36: The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we
stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man,
makest thyself God. Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law, I
said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came,
and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath
sanctified, and sent into the world: Thou blasphemest, because I said, I am
the Son of God?
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31 Jan 2005 07:33:14 PM |
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Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:20:57 +0800
MsgID:<1107094073.962b4629dfdeff4ed07f5b5a35f61c22@teranews>
The God of the Jews is the exact same God as the God of the Christians. Are you
ignorant of the history of your own beliefs?
===>Sheepherder, the fake "pastor" prefers to ignore that history.
He appears to be some sort of neo-Marcionite, who rejects the
"Old Testament" AND what he calls the "God of the Jews". -- L.
You haven't heard that from Jews. They reject Christ precisely because
His God is NOT the God of the Jews.
Then why can't you show us precisely where the Jewish community states that?
Jesus in Jn:10:33-36: The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we
stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man,
makest thyself God. Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law, I
said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came,
and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath
sanctified, and sent into the world: Thou blasphemest, because I said, I am
the Son of God?
That is not a statement from the Jewish community, it is hearsay and the Jewish
community of TODAY has never agreed with that statement.
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"The men that American people admire most extravagantly are
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those who try to tell them the truth" -- H. L. Mencken
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01 Feb 2005 03:44:20 PM |
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"The_Sage" <specialoffers@CityBend.com> wrote in message
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Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:20:57 +0800
MsgID:<1107094073.962b4629dfdeff4ed07f5b5a35f61c22@teranews>
The God of the Jews is the exact same God as the God of the
Christians. Are you
ignorant of the history of your own beliefs?
===>Sheepherder, the fake "pastor" prefers to ignore that history.
He appears to be some sort of neo-Marcionite, who rejects the
"Old Testament" AND what he calls the "God of the Jews". -- L.
You haven't heard that from Jews. They reject Christ precisely
because
His God is NOT the God of the Jews.
Then why can't you show us precisely where the Jewish community states
that?
Jesus in Jn:10:33-36: The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work
we
stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man,
makest thyself God. Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law, I
said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God
came,
and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath
sanctified, and sent into the world: Thou blasphemest, because I said, I
am
the Son of God?
That is not a statement from the Jewish community, it is hearsay and the
Jewish
community of TODAY has never agreed with that statement.
Yes, of course, as usual you waste your life listing what things are
not, without giving us a hint what things are. Tell us already what the
Jewish community agree to TODAY, instead. You are such a lazy and boring
thinker, Sage!!!!
Pastor Frank
ATHEIST LITERALISM
Atheists usually display major problems with interpretation of symbols
and metaphor, and not just religious ones. Most seem to have failed their
literary comprehension courses. It's common for such students to hand
in assignments to critically evaluate a love poem, containing the
following sentiments:
"The comparison of the beloved's features to astronomical bodies is
specious if not spurious to say the least. For apart from the chemical
composition of said features, the face of the beloved has no connection
with, nor similitude to astronomical objects, such as the sun, moon and
stars, alluded to in the poem."
--Anon--
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02 Feb 2005 10:13:31 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"The_Sage" <specialoffers@CityBend.com> wrote in message
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Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:20:57 +0800
MsgID:<1107094073.962b4629dfdeff4ed07f5b5a35f61c22@teranews>
The God of the Jews is the exact same God as the God of the
Christians. Are you
ignorant of the history of your own beliefs?
===>Sheepherder, the fake "pastor" prefers to ignore that history.
He appears to be some sort of neo-Marcionite, who rejects the
"Old Testament" AND what he calls the "God of the Jews". -- L.
You haven't heard that from Jews. They reject Christ precisely
because
His God is NOT the God of the Jews.
Then why can't you show us precisely where the Jewish community states
that?
Jesus in Jn:10:33-36: The Jews answered him, saying, For a good
work
we
stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man,
makest thyself God. Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law,
I
said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God
came,
and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath
sanctified, and sent into the world: Thou blasphemest, because I said,
I
am
the Son of God?
That is not a statement from the Jewish community, it is hearsay and the
Jewish
community of TODAY has never agreed with that statement.
Yes, of course, as usual you waste your life listing what things are
not, without giving us a hint what things are. Tell us already what the
Jewish community agree to TODAY, instead. You are such a lazy and boring
thinker, Sage!!!!
Pastor Frank
Does your "god is love" demand you bash atheists with lies and distortions?
ATHEIST LITERALISM
Atheists usually display major problems with interpretation of symbols
and metaphor, and not just religious ones.
The problem is not the atheists "bad" interpretation - the objections are
based on the religous fanatics claim that "symbols and metaphor" are stated
as absolute facts and reality.
Most seem to have failed their
literary comprehension courses. It's common for such students to hand
in assignments to critically evaluate a love poem, containing the
following sentiments:
Evidence that this is nothing more than your usual, unsupported, deragned
bellowing?
(snip remaining childish ignorance!)
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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02 Feb 2005 08:03:41 PM |
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Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:44:20 +0800
MsgID:<1107351766.1315252ff130fcb7b72034692cab6c78@teranews>
The God of the Jews is the exact same God as the God of the Christians. Are you
ignorant of the history of your own beliefs?
===>Sheepherder, the fake "pastor" prefers to ignore that history.
He appears to be some sort of neo-Marcionite, who rejects the
"Old Testament" AND what he calls the "God of the Jews". -- L.
You haven't heard that from Jews. They reject Christ precisely because
His God is NOT the God of the Jews.
Then why can't you show us precisely where the Jewish community states that?
Jesus in Jn:10:33-36: The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we
stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man,
makest thyself God. Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law, I
said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came,
and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath
sanctified, and sent into the world: Thou blasphemest, because I said, I am
the Son of God?
That is not a statement from the Jewish community, it is hearsay and the Jewish
community of TODAY has never agreed with that statement.
Yes, of course, as usual you waste your life listing what things are
not, without giving us a hint what things are. Tell us already what the
Jewish community agree to TODAY, instead. You are such a lazy and boring
thinker, Sage!!!!
At least you admit I think because it is so obvious I can think. Don't you wish
you could think? I wish you could. For example, if the Jewish community rejects
(present tense) the God of Jesus because He is not the God of the Jews, then
show us where the Jewish community rejects Jesus on that basis *today*, don't go
off on some wild tangent about how 2000 years ago someone heard someone say
something in Jn:10 that had nothing to do with the Jews rejecting Jesus because
he worshipped a different God.
ATHEIST LITERALISM
Changing the subject so soon? And why are you still including atheist groups in
your replies? What kind of hypocrite are you?
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"The men that American people admire most extravagantly are
most daring liars; the men they detest the most violently are
those who try to tell them the truth" -- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Steve Mading" |
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02 Feb 2005 01:34:56 PM |
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On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:44:20 +0800, Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
ATHEIST LITERALISM
Atheists usually display major problems with interpretation of symbols
and metaphor, and not just religious ones. Most seem to have failed their
literary comprehension courses.
Liar. What we atheists do that pisses off you fundamentalist nutcases
is that we recognize that symbols and metaphor ONLY apply to emotional
expression, and not serious factual statements. When determining what
is and is not, they have no place. Asking whether or not god exists is
nothing like asking whether or not you love someone. It's like asking
whether or not the sun exists, or an I.O.U. of 500 dollars from you to me
exists, or a rare species of bird in the jungle exists. It is a purely
dry, factual, logical question about a thing existing or not. Trying
to answer it with emotional metaphor is a logical fallacy. Save the
metaphor for the emotional appeals where it belongs.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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01 Feb 2005 07:19:32 PM |
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The_Sage wrote:
Reply to article by: "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
Date written: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:20:57 +0800
MsgID:<1107094073.962b4629dfdeff4ed07f5b5a35f61c22@teranews>
The God of the Jews is the exact same God as the God of the Christians. Are you
ignorant of the history of your own beliefs?
===>Sheepherder, the fake "pastor" prefers to ignore that history.
He appears to be some sort of neo-Marcionite, who rejects the
"Old Testament" AND what he calls the "God of the Jews". -- L.
You haven't heard that from Jews. They reject Christ precisely because
His God is NOT the God of the Jews.
Then why can't you show us precisely where the Jewish community states that?
Jesus in Jn:10:33-36: The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we
stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man,
makest thyself God. Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law, I
said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came,
and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath
sanctified, and sent into the world: Thou blasphemest, because I said, I am
the Son of God?
That is not a statement from the Jewish community, it is hearsay and the Jewish
community of TODAY has never agreed with that statement.
The Sage
===>It is a STORY invented by a Pauline propagandist, purportedly
"so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God"
(John 20:31) -- L.
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10 Feb 2005 02:01:34 AM |
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"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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That also may well be true, especially when one considers the god of
YOUR definition. He will definitely not be there, for he doesn't exist.
Also Jesus came not for the good, the perfect nor the immaculate, but for
the "lost causes" which I am glad to say I am indeed a repentant example
of, for I was a flaming, trashing atheist for most of my life.
You're not smart enough to have been an atheist, Frank. You might have
been what could be categorized as non-churched, buy you weren't an
atheist.
I was brought up by atheist, or rather secular humanist academic
parents, and speaking a religious word was considered the equivalent of
farting long and loud at dinner table. One got the looks and was ostracized
for a good long while.
I was an atheist alright, but it's interesting, that you, like all
atheists always look for shortcomings in others. So I wasn't smart and sly
enough to satisfy your expectations, was I? LOL
When I became a Christian in middle age, I traded all that in, for
aiming to be be kind, loving, caring, generous etc. etc. and fit for the
Kingdom of Heaven, rather than hell. But you are right, I am not all those
good qualities, I'm just "aiming" to live us to the example of Christ.
Whose example are YOU following?
Pastor Frank
The most important, yet most ignored commandments of Christ:
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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