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"Qolon" |
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21 May 2004 08:11:09 PM |
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Re: Qolon's Theology - Is it a Sarcophagus? |
In short if Patty, had a regard for the Sabbath which pre-existed the Sinai
covenant, she'd readily agree with me.
I've left the Greek definitions in so that you are less capable to use
weasel words.
Perhaps Hierom {"I am talking about Jesus being the sacrifice. I don't think
it was preached to the Jews by any of Jesus' disciples." [Hieron]} and Patty
who believes {"That's because it was not the role of Messiah. This would be
consider anathema to them." [Patty 2004-05-11 06:25:19 PST]} ought to start
a new group called: LIARS FOR JESUS!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patty" <GotTruth@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: -- Patty's Theology Is It a Cacophony?
Thank you so much for your reply. Would it be possible for you to edit out
the Greek and word definitions and resend? It is quite impossible to sift
through your messages and try to figure out what you are really saying. I
have English and Greek dictionaries here if I want to look up definitions.
Or maybe you feel this type of confusion makes you appear to be wise? Okay,
you are a genius, there you have it! Now please speak plainly so we can
clearly understand. Yahshua, in all his wisdom given to him by the Father,
spoke in words simple to understand.
"Hieron" <george@msn.de> wrote in message
news:2h7f51Fa2necU2@uni-berlin.de...
Don't post me your ancient stuff over and over again!
"Patty" <GotTruth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:RMqrc.63621$hY.56728@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
Here are a couple of definitions that describe our friend Qolon's Theology:
SARCOPHAGUS - our term for a stone coffin located above ground and often
decorated, has a macabre origin befitting a macabre thing. The word comes to
us from Latin and Greek, having been derived in Greek from sarx, "flesh,"
and phagein, "to eat." The Greek word sarkophagos meant "eating flesh," and
in the phrase lithos ("stone") sarkophagos it denoted a limestone that was
thought to decompose the flesh of corpses placed in it. Used by itself as a
noun the Greek term came to mean "coffin." The term was carried over into
Latin, where sarcophagus was used in the phrase lapis ("stone") sarcophagus,
referring to the same stone as in Greek. Sarcophagus used as a noun in Latin
meant "coffin of any material." This Latin word was borrowed into English,
first being recorded in 1601 with reference to the flesh-consuming stone and
then in 1705 with reference to a stone coffin.
LOVELESS - \Love"less\, a. 1. Void of love; void of tenderness or kindness
ARROGANT - \Ar"ro*gant\, 1. Making, or having the disposition to make,
exorbitant claims of rank or estimation; giving one's self an undue degree
of importance; assuming; haughty; 2. Containing arrogance; marked with
arrogance; proceeding from undue claims or self-importance; -- applied to
things; as, arrogant pretensions or behavior.
Patty
QOLON NOTE:
Dear readers,
Are you perhaps getting the impression that Heiron's claim to religious
belief is inconclusive, that he doesn't believe in the efficacy and
efficiency of Jesus of Nazareth's atonement.
That he actually denies the Greek examples of Interpretation given to him,
that if Christ is risen in potency, rather than no-MEKETI more-EPISCHUO,
which is elsewhere described:
Whom God hath raised-ANISTEMI up, having loosed-LUO the pains-ODIN
{especially of child birth} of death-THANATOS: because-KATHOI it was not
possible-DUNATOS {ie by virtue of outward power, powerful, influential,
strength, potential} that he should be holden-KRATEO {ie. BY USE OF VIGOUR
OR STRENGTH RETAINED BY IT} of it." [Acts 2:22-24]
Ought to be consistently interpreted:
"Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. And as concerning that he
raised-ANISTEMI him up from the dead-NEKROS, henceforth-MEKETI
vigorous-EPISCHUO not to return-HUPOSTREPHO to corruption-DIAPHTHORA, he
said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David {well-beloved;
dear}." [Acts 13:33-34]
Patty goes so far as to suggest: "I am not a Jew, but I observe the Sabbath,
which was consecrated before there was a 'Jew'" [Patty 2004-05-15 06:57:42
PST].
This just can't simply be, because the natural sequence of the Hebrew
taxonomy when arrayed as a (3 x 7) matrix is in effect a treatise on the
quadruple form #369 Matrix as 'a priori' or polemic on the First Cause and
Divine Providence, to which the chronological and theological conception:
Ages of the World (cf: 'the end-SUNTELEIA of the world-AION' [Matthew
13:34-43]) and an ontological overlay as the generations from Adam to the
sons of Jacob, is historically applied as retort to hymeneal mystical
practice as idolatry. [cf: 4Q180 - The Ages of the World, Frag 1:1-5 + 4Q181
Frag. 2:1; Genesis 49:1; Psalm 78:1-8]
Let me illustrate why from the Book of Genesis, where the scriptures speak
of God's potency {
And the Spirit-RUACH of God-'ELOHIYM (ie. a metempirical attribution
associated with Justice and known as Angels viz 9(9²+1)/2 = #369 = 52 weeks
& 5 days or 9 x 41 as centre of the Mathematical and Chronological
Kabbalistic Matrix such that 3 x 354 (8 x 41 + 26 as YHWH + #15 = #369) day
typcial lunar year + 30 day intercalation = 3 x 364 (ie 52 weeks) = 2 x #369
+ 354 = 1092 days} moved-RACHAPH {ie. to brood; by implication to be
relaxed:-flutter, move, shake} upon the face-PANIYM {ie countenance} of the
waters-MAYIM {
ie. If the waters are here associated with the 7th geometric symbol as
Isosahedron or illustrative of the AEONS / AGES, it is a pre-chronos or
actuality consideraton as the instruments of time occurred on the 4th Yom;
figuratively juice; by euphemism urine, semen:- + *****, wasting, water
Such that the Genesis (arch or the circular apeiron as the infinite) being
the view expounded further by later Greek Judaism: That not only does all
occurrence which can be measured in time come from the apeiron, but the
relativity of the time sequence itself underlies the religious statement
that God is 'arch kai teles', which as the logos, penetrates and rules all
being
} achieving actuality, it nevertheless speaks of the supernal attributes of
his providence relative to our hemi-spheric view of the cosmos as having a
relation to time {ie. the Kabbalistic world of action}.
According to the basic philosophical sense of inner telos, or guiding form,
the entelecheia is that which mediates between matter {Nature contains
Nature} and form {Nature rejoices in its Nature}, potency {Nature surmounts
Nature} and actuality {Nature amended in its Nature}. The matter or
substance of a thing, as such, conveys the essence of the thing (essentia;
ousia) as only potentiality, whereas the form, as considered in itself as
actuality, requires embodiment.
Thus the Genesis narrative follows this philosophical genre:
Yom 1 - Matter Broading on the countenance of the Waters;
Yom 2 - Form = Separation of the Waters (Light to one, Dark to another - so
the waters were divided) [Exodus 14:20-21]
Yom 3 - Potency = Yielding of seed in itself according to its kind
Yom 4 - Actuality = Instruments of Time / Planets
And this thought {3 x 354 (8 x 41 + 26 as YHWH + #15 = #369) day typcial
lunar year + 30 day intercalation = 3 x 364 (ie 52 weeks) = 2 x #369 + 354 =
1092 days} is reflected in the Book of Time Divisions by Weeks and Jubilees,
which is associated with Noah {Be aware that the moon comes each year 10
days (ie. 354) too short (ie 364)} maps this chronology to the genealogy
beginning with Adam {3W1D} to the Jubilee following the receipt of the Torah
law {50J = 1550 BCE}: "Surely my Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a
sign-'OTH {a signal (literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon,
monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc.:-mark, miracle, (ensign, token}
between me and you throughout your generations (properly a revolution of
time, that is, an age or generation; also a dwelling; Gk. Aeons / Ages),
that you may know that I am the LORD-YAHWEH who sanctifies you." [Exodus
31:13]
- dolf
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html#AXIOM4>
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| User: "Patty" |
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| Title: Re: Qolon's Theology - Is it a Sarcophagus? |
22 May 2004 07:49:17 AM |
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"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:NMxrc.2158$L.108@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
In short if Patty, had a regard for the Sabbath which pre-existed the
Sinai
covenant, she'd readily agree with me.
I do observe the 7th day Sabbath, why do you assume that I don't?
I've left the Greek definitions in so that you are less capable to use
weasel words.
I quote Torah. Are you saying these are "weasel" words?
Perhaps Hierom {"I am talking about Jesus being the sacrifice. I don't
think
it was preached to the Jews by any of Jesus' disciples." [Hieron]} and
Patty
who believes {"That's because it was not the role of Messiah. This would
be
consider anathema to them." [Patty 2004-05-11 06:25:19 PST]} ought to
start
a new group called: LIARS FOR JESUS!
How about THE TRUTH ABOUT YAHSHUA THE JEWISH MESSIAH AND HOW HE WAS
CHANGED INTO THE GREEK CRUCIFIED SAVIOR GODMAN.
Patty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patty" <GotTruth@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: -- Patty's Theology Is It a Cacophony?
Thank you so much for your reply. Would it be possible for you to edit
out
the Greek and word definitions and resend? It is quite impossible to
sift
through your messages and try to figure out what you are really saying.
I
have English and Greek dictionaries here if I want to look up
definitions.
Or maybe you feel this type of confusion makes you appear to be wise?
Okay,
you are a genius, there you have it! Now please speak plainly so we can
clearly understand. Yahshua, in all his wisdom given to him by the
Father,
spoke in words simple to understand.
"Hieron" <george@msn.de> wrote in message
news:2h7f51Fa2necU2@uni-berlin.de...
Don't post me your ancient stuff over and over again!
"Patty" <GotTruth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:RMqrc.63621$hY.56728@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
Here are a couple of definitions that describe our friend Qolon's
Theology:
SARCOPHAGUS - our term for a stone coffin located above ground and often
decorated, has a macabre origin befitting a macabre thing. The word
comes to
us from Latin and Greek, having been derived in Greek from sarx,
"flesh,"
and phagein, "to eat." The Greek word sarkophagos meant "eating flesh,"
and
in the phrase lithos ("stone") sarkophagos it denoted a limestone that
was
thought to decompose the flesh of corpses placed in it. Used by itself
as a
noun the Greek term came to mean "coffin." The term was carried over
into
Latin, where sarcophagus was used in the phrase lapis ("stone")
sarcophagus,
referring to the same stone as in Greek. Sarcophagus used as a noun in
Latin
meant "coffin of any material." This Latin word was borrowed into
English,
first being recorded in 1601 with reference to the flesh-consuming stone
and
then in 1705 with reference to a stone coffin.
LOVELESS - \Love"less\, a. 1. Void of love; void of tenderness or
kindness
ARROGANT - \Ar"ro*gant\, 1. Making, or having the disposition to make,
exorbitant claims of rank or estimation; giving one's self an undue
degree
of importance; assuming; haughty; 2. Containing arrogance; marked with
arrogance; proceeding from undue claims or self-importance; -- applied
to
things; as, arrogant pretensions or behavior.
Patty
QOLON NOTE:
Dear readers,
Are you perhaps getting the impression that Heiron's claim to religious
belief is inconclusive, that he doesn't believe in the efficacy and
efficiency of Jesus of Nazareth's atonement.
That he actually denies the Greek examples of Interpretation given to
him,
that if Christ is risen in potency, rather than no-MEKETI more-EPISCHUO,
which is elsewhere described:
Whom God hath raised-ANISTEMI up, having loosed-LUO the pains-ODIN
{especially of child birth} of death-THANATOS: because-KATHOI it was not
possible-DUNATOS {ie by virtue of outward power, powerful, influential,
strength, potential} that he should be holden-KRATEO {ie. BY USE OF
VIGOUR
OR STRENGTH RETAINED BY IT} of it." [Acts 2:22-24]
Ought to be consistently interpreted:
"Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. And as concerning that
he
raised-ANISTEMI him up from the dead-NEKROS, henceforth-MEKETI
vigorous-EPISCHUO not to return-HUPOSTREPHO to corruption-DIAPHTHORA, he
said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David
{well-beloved;
dear}." [Acts 13:33-34]
Patty goes so far as to suggest: "I am not a Jew, but I observe the
Sabbath,
which was consecrated before there was a 'Jew'" [Patty 2004-05-15
06:57:42
PST].
This just can't simply be, because the natural sequence of the Hebrew
taxonomy when arrayed as a (3 x 7) matrix is in effect a treatise on the
quadruple form #369 Matrix as 'a priori' or polemic on the First Cause
and
Divine Providence, to which the chronological and theological
conception:
Ages of the World (cf: 'the end-SUNTELEIA of the world-AION' [Matthew
13:34-43]) and an ontological overlay as the generations from Adam to
the
sons of Jacob, is historically applied as retort to hymeneal mystical
practice as idolatry. [cf: 4Q180 - The Ages of the World, Frag 1:1-5 +
4Q181
Frag. 2:1; Genesis 49:1; Psalm 78:1-8]
Let me illustrate why from the Book of Genesis, where the scriptures
speak
of God's potency {
And the Spirit-RUACH of God-'ELOHIYM (ie. a metempirical attribution
associated with Justice and known as Angels viz 9(9²+1)/2 = #369 = 52
weeks
& 5 days or 9 x 41 as centre of the Mathematical and Chronological
Kabbalistic Matrix such that 3 x 354 (8 x 41 + 26 as YHWH + #15 = #369)
day
typcial lunar year + 30 day intercalation = 3 x 364 (ie 52 weeks) = 2 x
#369
+ 354 = 1092 days} moved-RACHAPH {ie. to brood; by implication to be
relaxed:-flutter, move, shake} upon the face-PANIYM {ie countenance} of
the
waters-MAYIM {
ie. If the waters are here associated with the 7th geometric symbol as
Isosahedron or illustrative of the AEONS / AGES, it is a pre-chronos or
actuality consideraton as the instruments of time occurred on the 4th
Yom;
figuratively juice; by euphemism urine, semen:- + *****, wasting, water
Such that the Genesis (arch or the circular apeiron as the infinite)
being
the view expounded further by later Greek Judaism: That not only does
all
occurrence which can be measured in time come from the apeiron, but the
relativity of the time sequence itself underlies the religious statement
that God is 'arch kai teles', which as the logos, penetrates and rules
all
being
} achieving actuality, it nevertheless speaks of the supernal attributes
of
his providence relative to our hemi-spheric view of the cosmos as having
a
relation to time {ie. the Kabbalistic world of action}.
According to the basic philosophical sense of inner telos, or guiding
form,
the entelecheia is that which mediates between matter {Nature contains
Nature} and form {Nature rejoices in its Nature}, potency {Nature
surmounts
Nature} and actuality {Nature amended in its Nature}. The matter or
substance of a thing, as such, conveys the essence of the thing
(essentia;
ousia) as only potentiality, whereas the form, as considered in itself
as
actuality, requires embodiment.
Thus the Genesis narrative follows this philosophical genre:
Yom 1 - Matter Broading on the countenance of the Waters;
Yom 2 - Form = Separation of the Waters (Light to one, Dark to another -
so
the waters were divided) [Exodus 14:20-21]
Yom 3 - Potency = Yielding of seed in itself according to its kind
Yom 4 - Actuality = Instruments of Time / Planets
And this thought {3 x 354 (8 x 41 + 26 as YHWH + #15 = #369) day typcial
lunar year + 30 day intercalation = 3 x 364 (ie 52 weeks) = 2 x #369 +
354 =
1092 days} is reflected in the Book of Time Divisions by Weeks and
Jubilees,
which is associated with Noah {Be aware that the moon comes each year 10
days (ie. 354) too short (ie 364)} maps this chronology to the genealogy
beginning with Adam {3W1D} to the Jubilee following the receipt of the
Torah
law {50J = 1550 BCE}: "Surely my Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a
sign-'OTH {a signal (literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon,
monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc.:-mark, miracle, (ensign, token}
between me and you throughout your generations (properly a revolution of
time, that is, an age or generation; also a dwelling; Gk. Aeons / Ages),
that you may know that I am the LORD-YAHWEH who sanctifies you." [Exodus
31:13]
- dolf
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html#AXIOM4>
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| User: "Qolon" |
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| Title: Re: Qolon's Theology - Is it a Sarcophagus? |
22 May 2004 05:40:33 PM |
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Your theology on the Sabbath is being exoteric, is as child and has no
depth.
The Sabbath observance is intrinsically connected to the chronological
principles I have conveyed, yet you refuse to comment on them. For example
it is not possible for you to have anything but a mythical and imaginary
Yahshua (Jesus of Nazareth) constructed after your own image and likeness,
if you fail to accept the Sabbath based chronology dealing with Daniel's
cryptical Messianic prophecy: {
#3 = Beginning of 70 weeks cryptic Messianic prophecy as 72J +
3(3²+1)/2 = 457BCE (72J2W1D),
#10 = 70 weeks cryptic Messianic prophecy in midst of 69th week - 30CE
being that 10J = 490 years = 33 CE
}
You seem to have an issue with the efficiency and efficancy of Jesus'
atonoment yet when these matters are raised, showing the incongruity within
your claimed religious belief, you refuse to answer or clarifiy the issues.
- dolf
"Patty" <GotTruth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:h%Hrc.70867$hY.57324@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
I do observe the 7th day Sabbath, why do you assume that I don't?
I quote Torah. Are you saying these are "weasel" words?
How about THE TRUTH ABOUT YAHSHUA THE JEWISH MESSIAH AND HOW HE WAS
CHANGED INTO THE GREEK CRUCIFIED SAVIOR GODMAN.
QOLON NOTE:
In short if Patty, had a regard for the Sabbath which pre-existed the Sinai
covenant, she'd readily agree with me.
I've left the Greek definitions in so that you are less capable to use
weasel words.
Perhaps Hierom {"I am talking about Jesus being the sacrifice. I don't think
it was preached to the Jews by any of Jesus' disciples." [Hieron]} and Patty
who believes {"That's because it was not the role of Messiah. This would be
consider anathema to them." [Patty 2004-05-11 06:25:19 PST]} ought to start
a new group called: LIARS FOR JESUS!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patty" <GotTruth@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: -- Patty's Theology Is It a Cacophony?
Thank you so much for your reply. Would it be possible for you to edit out
the Greek and word definitions and resend? It is quite impossible to sift
through your messages and try to figure out what you are really saying. I
have English and Greek dictionaries here if I want to look up definitions.
Or maybe you feel this type of confusion makes you appear to be wise? Okay,
you are a genius, there you have it! Now please speak plainly so we can
clearly understand. Yahshua, in all his wisdom given to him by the Father,
spoke in words simple to understand.
"Hieron" <george@msn.de> wrote in message
news:2h7f51Fa2necU2@uni-berlin.de...
Don't post me your ancient stuff over and over again!
QOLON NOTE:
"Hieron" <george@msn.de> wrote in message
news:2h5f8rF9a21jU4@uni-berlin.de...
Qolon {ie. sacred hymn} having an exciting discussion with Qolon {ie. sacred
hymn}.
QOLON NOTE:
Don't forget as a matter of:
Soli Deo Gloria ("only to God's glory," God's wisdom and glory as opposed to
church/papal sovereignty);
Sola Scriptura ("Scripture only," the authority of the Bible over official
Papal interpretation and tradition), and
Sola Gratia (salvation "by grace alone," eternal life received from God as a
free gift by grace through faith in the imputed righteousness of Christ
rather than by works, rituals, or sacraments).
You at least have double standards (ie. the law condemns a dishonest
measure) and at worst deny the efficacy and efficiency of the grace wrought
by Jesus of Nazareth's atoning obedience unto death: "God hath fulfilled the
same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is
also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten
thee. And as concerning that he raised-ANISTEMI him up from the dead-NEKROS,
henceforth-MEKETI vigorous-EPISCHUO not to return-HUPOSTREPHO to
corruption-DIAPHTHORA, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure
mercies of David {well-beloved; dear}. Wherefore he saith also in another
psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. For David,
after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep,
and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: But he, whom God raised
again, saw no corruption.
BE IT KNOWN UNTO YOU THEREFORE, MEN AND BRETHREN {ie. obviously includes
Greeks and Hebrews}, THAT THROUGH THIS MAN {ie. Jesus of Nazareth} IS
PREACHED UNTO YOU THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS: AND BY HIM ALL THAT BELIEVE ARE
JUSTIFIED FROM ALL THINGS, FROM WHICH YE COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW
OF MOSES {drawn forth; rescued}. {
ie. it does not presuppose that the Law of Moses as Torah, and irrevocable
promise to the Jews as Everlasting Covenant is made redundant, but that the
requirements of the Law is met by such belief-PISTEOU in the efficacy and
efficiency of Jesus of Nazareth viz. Thy faith-PISTIS hath saved-SOZO thee;
go-POREUOMAI in peace-EIRENE prosperity: one, peace, quietness, rest, + set
at one again." [Luke 7:44-50]
}. Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the
prophets; Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in
your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it
unto you.
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that
these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. Now when the
congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes
followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to
continue in the grace of God." [Acts 13:33-43]
- dolf
"Hieron" <george@msn.de> wrote under the subject "Torah will never be found
by those who pamper themselves" in message
news:2h63ofF97ui5U1@uni-berlin.de...
Mary {rebellion}, I have a question for you.
You are a Gentile as far as I know. Correct me if I am wrong.
God made a covenant with the Jewish people that they will be His people and
He will be their God. The Torah was given, so that they knew how they had
to live within that covenant, and also because they were to become a nation
on their own land.
Gentiles were never given the Torah, though God had a plan to redeem the
Gentiles. Thus, He offers salvation to them through Jesus, and in the NT a
very high standars is raised and taught, which to some resembles the
Noahide laws, to others the Torah. (I have seen posts arguing that the
Noahide laws are actually categories of laws.)
Paul argues in the NT epistles that the Gentile believers didn't need the
Torah for either salvation or blessings, for in Christ now all are equal.
So, I understand that you study the Torah so hard, if you have a desire to
convert and become a Jew. Otherwise there is no point observing its
precepts. And if you want to obsrve it, you must observe the whole, not
only part.
Otherwise there is a very good moral standard in the NT, about which you
hardly spare a word.
QOLON NOTE:
I ought to add, the catch-phrase which Jesus said, to the woman-GUNE, Thy
faith-PISTIS hath saved-SOZO thee; go-POREUOMAI in peace-EIRENE prosperity:
one, peace, quietness, rest, + set at one again}." [Luke 7:44-50]
"Who was it that wrote the book 'I Have an Opinion and Everyone is Entitled
to it?'" ["Patty" <GotTruth@yahoo.com> 21 May 2004 7:31 AM]
"'I am talking about Jesus being the sacrifice. I don't think it was
preached to the Jews by any of Jesus' disciples.' [Hieron] That's because it
was not the role of Messiah. This would be consider anathema to them."
[2004-05-11 06:25:19 PST]
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us
with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he
hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be
holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the
adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good
pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he
hath made us accepted in the beloved. IN WHOM WE HAVE REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS
BLOOD, THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS, ACCORDING TO THE RICHNESS OF HIS GRACE;
Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made
known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which
he hath purposed in himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of
times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are
in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:" [Ephesians 1:3-10]
"You are wordier than Paul and say much less." [Patty 2004-05-18 14:54:30
PST]
"If Christians worship a man, isn't that idolatry?" [Patty 2004-05-05
17:09:10 PST]
"And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I
entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath
washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head. Thou
gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased
to kiss my feet. My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath
anointed my feet with ointment. Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which
are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven,
the same loveth little. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And
they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this
that forgiveth sins also? And he said to the woman-GUNE, Thy faith-PISTIS
hath saved-SOZO thee; go-POREUOMAI in peace-EIRENE {prosperity: one, peace,
quietness, rest, + set at one again}." [Luke 7:44-50]
"I have never claimed to be a Christian, Messianic OR Jew. You are putting
words in my mouth, isn't that called 'slander'?" [Patty on Blood is NOT the
only means of Atonement, 2004-05-06 12:05:58 PST]
"I am not a Jew, but I observe the Sabbath, which was consecrated before
there was a 'Jew'" [2004-05-15 06:57:42 PST]
'The Christian idea of the messiah is that Jesus was the blood sacrifice
that saves everyone from his or her sin. But who, EXACTLY died on that
cross? If it was Jesus-the-god, then how can God die? If it was only
Jesus-the-human, then all Christians have in the death of Jesus is a human
sacrifice. And what, EXACTLY does God say about human sacrifice in the
TaNaCH?"[Patty 2004-05-06 09:44:06 PST]
"Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of
God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the
midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered {ie
surrendered} by the determinate {ie. to appoint, decree, specify:-declare,
determine, limit, ordain} counsel-BOULE {will, mind, purpose, counsel} and
foreknowledge-PROGNOSIS of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have
crucified and slain: Whom God hath raised-ANISTEMI {
ie. Does Patty deny the efficacy {ie. capacity for serving to produce
effects;
effectiveness} and efficiency {ie. the fact or quality of being efficient;
competency in performance; the ratio of work done or energy developed by a
machine, engine, etc., to the energy supplied to it}of the resurrection of
the Saviour as being raised-ANISTEMI, which is not adequately shown by the
expression: dead-NEKROS, no-MEKETI more-EPISCHUO and is reduced to the point
of redundancy, particularly when you show pariality in interpreting the
expression of [John 8:11] as: "go-POREUOMAI sin-HAMARTANO no-MEKETI
more-EPISCHUO"
It ought to read: "he raised-ANISTEMI him up from the dead-NEKROS,
henceforth-MEKETI vigorous-EPISCHUO {
compare to "go-POREUOMAI sin-HAMARTANO henceforth-MEKETI the more-EPISCHUO"
[John 8:11] and "go-POREUOMAI in peace-EIRENE {prosperity: one, peace,
quietness, rest, + set at one again}" [Luke 7:50]}
) not to return-HUPOSTREPHO to corruption-DIAPHTHORA" [Acts 13:34]
Patty goes so far as to invent a scenario of repentence, which negates the
reality that the woman is arrayed before a judge by false accusers {ie.
KATEGOROS as Satan or complainant at law}: "That I agree with, REPENTENCE
saved the woman." [Patty 2004-05-16 13:44:04 PST]
} up, having loosed-LUO the pains-ODIN {especially of child birth} of
death-THANATOS: because-KATHOI it was not possible-DUNATOS {ie by virtue of
outward power, powerful, influential, strength, potential} that he should be
holden-KRATEO {ie. BY USE OF VIGOUR OR STRENGTH RETAINED BY IT} of it."
[Acts 2:22-24]
"Why can't you even consider that there is the most remote possibility that
I might be correct? Why can't you just once say, "Okay, Patty, I will
consider, research and pray about this"?" [Patty 2004-05-06 12:01:03 PST]
Please explain! Over to you Patty!
- dolf
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html#AXIOM4>
Dear readers,
Are you perhaps getting the impression that Heiron's claim to religious
belief is inconclusive, that he doesn't believe in the efficacy and
efficiency of Jesus of Nazareth's atonement.
That he actually denies the Greek examples of Interpretation given to him,
that if Christ is risen in potency, rather than no-MEKETI more-EPISCHUO,
which is elsewhere described:
Whom God hath raised-ANISTEMI up, having loosed-LUO the pains-ODIN
{especially of child birth} of death-THANATOS: because-KATHOI it was not
possible-DUNATOS {ie by virtue of outward power, powerful, influential,
strength, potential} that he should be holden-KRATEO {ie. BY USE OF VIGOUR
OR STRENGTH RETAINED BY IT} of it." [Acts 2:22-24]
Ought to be consistently interpreted:
"Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. And as concerning that he
raised-ANISTEMI him up from the dead-NEKROS, henceforth-MEKETI
vigorous-EPISCHUO not to return-HUPOSTREPHO to corruption-DIAPHTHORA, he
said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David {well-beloved;
dear}." [Acts 13:33-34]
Patty goes so far as to suggest: "I am not a Jew, but I observe the Sabbath,
which was consecrated before there was a 'Jew'" [Patty 2004-05-15 06:57:42
PST].
This just can't simply be, because the natural sequence of the Hebrew
taxonomy when arrayed as a (3 x 7) matrix is in effect a treatise on the
quadruple form #369 Matrix as 'a priori' or polemic on the First Cause and
Divine Providence, to which the chronological and theological conception:
Ages of the World (cf: 'the end-SUNTELEIA of the world-AION' [Matthew
13:34-43]) and an ontological overlay as the generations from Adam to the
sons of Jacob, is historically applied as retort to hymeneal mystical
practice as idolatry. [cf: 4Q180 - The Ages of the World, Frag 1:1-5 + 4Q181
Frag. 2:1; Genesis 49:1; Psalm 78:1-8]
Let me illustrate why from the Book of Genesis, where the scriptures speak
of God's potency {
And the Spirit-RUACH of God-'ELOHIYM (ie. a metempirical attribution
associated with Justice and known as Angels viz 9(9²+1)/2 = #369 = 52 weeks
& 5 days or 9 x 41 as centre of the Mathematical and Chronological
Kabbalistic Matrix such that 3 x 354 (8 x 41 + 26 as YHWH + #15 = #369) day
typcial lunar year + 30 day intercalation = 3 x 364 (ie 52 weeks) = 2 x #369
+ 354 = 1092 days} moved-RACHAPH {ie. to brood; by implication to be
relaxed:-flutter, move, shake} upon the face-PANIYM {ie countenance} of the
waters-MAYIM {
ie. If the waters are here associated with the 7th geometric symbol as
Isosahedron or illustrative of the AEONS / AGES, it is a pre-chronos or
actuality consideraton as the instruments of time occurred on the 4th Yom;
figuratively juice; by euphemism urine, semen:- + *****, wasting, water
Such that the Genesis (arch or the circular apeiron as the infinite) being
the view expounded further by later Greek Judaism: That not only does all
occurrence which can be measured in time come from the apeiron, but the
relativity of the time sequence itself underlies the religious statement
that God is 'arch kai teles', which as the logos, penetrates and rules all
being
} achieving actuality, it nevertheless speaks of the supernal attributes of
his providence relative to our hemi-spheric view of the cosmos as having a
relation to time {ie. the Kabbalistic world of action}.
According to the basic philosophical sense of inner telos, or guiding form,
the entelecheia is that which mediates between matter {Nature contains
Nature} and form {Nature rejoices in its Nature}, potency {Nature surmounts
Nature} and actuality {Nature amended in its Nature}. The matter or
substance of a thing, as such, conveys the essence of the thing (essentia;
ousia) as only potentiality, whereas the form, as considered in itself as
actuality, requires embodiment.
Thus the Genesis narrative follows this philosophical genre:
Yom 1 - Matter Broading on the countenance of the Waters;
Yom 2 - Form = Separation of the Waters (Light to one, Dark to another - so
the waters were divided) [Exodus 14:20-21]
Yom 3 - Potency = Yielding of seed in itself according to its kind
Yom 4 - Actuality = Instruments of Time / Planets
And this thought {3 x 354 (8 x 41 + 26 as YHWH + #15 = #369) day typcial
lunar year + 30 day intercalation = 3 x 364 (ie 52 weeks) = 2 x #369 + 354 =
1092 days} is reflected in the Book of Time Divisions by Weeks and Jubilees,
which is associated with Noah {Be aware that the moon comes each year 10
days (ie. 354) too short (ie 364)} maps this chronology to the genealogy
beginning with Adam {3W1D} to the Jubilee following the receipt of the Torah
law {50J = 1550 BCE}: "Surely my Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a
sign-'OTH {a signal (literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon,
monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc.:-mark, miracle, (ensign, token}
between me and you throughout your generations (properly a revolution of
time, that is, an age or generation; also a dwelling; Gk. Aeons / Ages),
that you may know that I am the LORD-YAHWEH who sanctifies you." [Exodus
31:13]
- dolf
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html#AXIOM4>
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On 21 May 2004 Sat, 22 May 2004 01:11:09 GMT, Qolon <telos@bigpond.com>,
posted thusly:
In short if Patty, had a regard for the Sabbath which pre-existed the
Sinai covenant, she'd readily agree with me.
I've left the Greek definitions in so that you are less capable to use
weasel words.
Perhaps Hierom {"I am talking about Jesus being the sacrifice. I don't
think it was preached to the Jews by any of Jesus' disciples."
[Hieron]} and Patty who believes {"That's because it was not the role
of Messiah. This would be consider anathema to them." [Patty
2004-05-11 06:25:19 PST]} ought to start a new group called: LIARS FOR
JESUS!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patty" <GotTruth@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: -- Patty's Theology Is It a Cacophony?
Thank you so much for your reply. Would it be possible for you to edit
out the Greek and word definitions and resend? It is quite impossible
to sift through your messages and try to figure out what you are
really saying. I have English and Greek dictionaries here if I want to
look up definitions. Or maybe you feel this type of confusion makes
you appear to be wise? Okay, you are a genius, there you have it! Now
please speak plainly so we can clearly understand. Yahshua, in all his
wisdom given to him by the Father, spoke in words simple to
understand.
"Hieron" <george@msn.de> wrote in message
news:2h7f51Fa2necU2@uni-berlin.de...
Don't post me your ancient stuff over and over again!
"Patty" <GotTruth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:RMqrc.63621$hY.56728@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
Here are a couple of definitions that describe our friend Qolon's
Theology:
SARCOPHAGUS - our term for a stone coffin located above ground and
often decorated, has a macabre origin befitting a macabre thing. The
word comes to us from Latin and Greek, having been derived in Greek
from sarx, "flesh," and phagein, "to eat." The Greek word sarkophagos
meant "eating flesh," and in the phrase lithos ("stone") sarkophagos
it denoted a limestone that was thought to decompose the flesh of
corpses placed in it. Used by itself as a noun the Greek term came to
mean "coffin." The term was carried over into Latin, where sarcophagus
was used in the phrase lapis ("stone") sarcophagus, referring to the
same stone as in Greek. Sarcophagus used as a noun in Latin meant
"coffin of any material." This Latin word was borrowed into English,
first being recorded in 1601 with reference to the flesh-consuming
stone and then in 1705 with reference to a stone coffin.
LOVELESS - \Love"less\, a. 1. Void of love; void of tenderness or
kindness
ARROGANT - \Ar"ro*gant\, 1. Making, or having the disposition to make,
exorbitant claims of rank or estimation; giving one's self an undue
degree of importance; assuming; haughty; 2. Containing arrogance;
marked with arrogance; proceeding from undue claims or
self-importance; -- applied to things; as, arrogant pretensions or
behavior.
Patty
QOLON NOTE:
Dear readers,
Are you perhaps getting the impression that Heiron's claim to
religious belief is inconclusive, that he doesn't believe in the
efficacy and efficiency of Jesus of Nazareth's atonement.
That he actually denies the Greek examples of Interpretation given to
him, that if Christ is risen in potency, rather than no-MEKETI
more-EPISCHUO, which is elsewhere described:
Whom God hath raised-ANISTEMI up, having loosed-LUO the pains-ODIN
{especially of child birth} of death-THANATOS: because-KATHOI it was
not possible-DUNATOS {ie by virtue of outward power, powerful,
influential, strength, potential} that he should be holden-KRATEO {ie.
BY USE OF VIGOUR OR STRENGTH RETAINED BY IT} of it." [Acts 2:22-24]
Ought to be consistently interpreted:
"Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. And as concerning
that he raised-ANISTEMI him up from the dead-NEKROS, henceforth-MEKETI
vigorous-EPISCHUO not to return-HUPOSTREPHO to corruption-DIAPHTHORA,
he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David
{well-beloved; dear}." [Acts 13:33-34]
Patty goes so far as to suggest: "I am not a Jew, but I observe the
Sabbath, which was consecrated before there was a 'Jew'" [Patty
2004-05-15 06:57:42 PST].
This just can't simply be, because the natural sequence of the Hebrew
taxonomy when arrayed as a (3 x 7) matrix is in effect a treatise on
the quadruple form #369 Matrix as 'a priori' or polemic on the First
Cause and Divine Providence, to which the chronological and
theological conception: Ages of the World (cf: 'the end-SUNTELEIA of
the world-AION' [Matthew 13:34-43]) and an ontological overlay as the
generations from Adam to the sons of Jacob, is historically applied as
retort to hymeneal mystical practice as idolatry. [cf: 4Q180 - The
Ages of the World, Frag 1:1-5 + 4Q181 Frag. 2:1; Genesis 49:1; Psalm
78:1-8]
Let me illustrate why from the Book of Genesis, where the scriptures
speak of God's potency {
And the Spirit-RUACH of God-'ELOHIYM (ie. a metempirical attribution
associated with Justice and known as Angels viz 9(9²+1)/2 = #369 = 52
weeks & 5 days or 9 x 41 as centre of the Mathematical and
Chronological Kabbalistic Matrix such that 3 x 354 (8 x 41 + 26 as
YHWH + #15 = #369) day typcial lunar year + 30 day intercalation = 3 x
364 (ie 52 weeks) = 2 x #369 + 354 = 1092 days} moved-RACHAPH {ie. to
brood; by implication to be relaxed:-flutter, move, shake} upon the
face-PANIYM {ie countenance} of the waters-MAYIM {
ie. If the waters are here associated with the 7th geometric symbol as
Isosahedron or illustrative of the AEONS / AGES, it is a pre-chronos
or actuality consideraton as the instruments of time occurred on the
4th Yom; figuratively juice; by euphemism urine, semen:- + *****,
wasting, water
Such that the Genesis (arch or the circular apeiron as the infinite)
being the view expounded further by later Greek Judaism: That not only
does all occurrence which can be measured in time come from the
apeiron, but the relativity of the time sequence itself underlies the
religious statement that God is 'arch kai teles', which as the logos,
penetrates and rules all being
} achieving actuality, it nevertheless speaks of the supernal
attributes of his providence relative to our hemi-spheric view of the
cosmos as having a relation to time {ie. the Kabbalistic world of
action}.
According to the basic philosophical sense of inner telos, or guiding
form, the entelecheia is that which mediates between matter {Nature
contains Nature} and form {Nature rejoices in its Nature}, potency
{Nature surmounts Nature} and actuality {Nature amended in its
Nature}. The matter or substance of a thing, as such, conveys the
essence of the thing (essentia; ousia) as only potentiality, whereas
the form, as considered in itself as actuality, requires embodiment.
Thus the Genesis narrative follows this philosophical genre:
Yom 1 - Matter Broading on the countenance of the Waters;
Yom 2 - Form = Separation of the Waters (Light to one, Dark to another
- so the waters were divided) [Exodus 14:20-21]
Yom 3 - Potency = Yielding of seed in itself according to its kind
Yom 4 - Actuality = Instruments of Time / Planets
And this thought {3 x 354 (8 x 41 + 26 as YHWH + #15 = #369) day
typcial lunar year + 30 day intercalation = 3 x 364 (ie 52 weeks) = 2
x #369 + 354 = 1092 days} is reflected in the Book of Time Divisions
by Weeks and Jubilees, which is associated with Noah {Be aware that
the moon comes each year 10 days (ie. 354) too short (ie 364)} maps
this chronology to the genealogy beginning with Adam {3W1D} to the
Jubilee following the receipt of the Torah law {50J = 1550 BCE}:
"Surely my Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign-'OTH {a signal
(literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon, monument, omen,
prodigy, evidence, etc.:-mark, miracle, (ensign, token} between me and
you throughout your generations (properly a revolution of time, that
is, an age or generation; also a dwelling; Gk. Aeons / Ages), that you
may know that I am the LORD-YAHWEH who sanctifies you." [Exodus 31:13]
- dolf
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html#AXIOM4>
Huh?
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee:
neither have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out
of my lips was right before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"I want you to have all the academic freedom you want as long as you wind
up saying the bible account (of creation) is true and all others are
not."
Jerry Falwell (1979 /}
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