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"James" |
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09 Jun 2007 04:14:13 PM |
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Re: Question? Jesus/Cross/Death |
Sensi <sensi4sight@home.com>
Re: Question? Jesus/Cross/Death
If Jesus died on the cross for our sins does that mean we
are not held accountable nor do we *have* to be responsible
for that which we do?
Are we free to do as we please after accepting the belief?
Hello,
No, a 'once saved, always saved' doctrine is not a teaching from the
Bible. Christians must daily try to do what is right, and stay away
from doing what is bad etc.
For example, notice the apostle Paul's statement at 1 Cor 10:12,
"Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not
fall." (NASB)
If you are forever saved, any 'fall' would not have a great impact on
your future eternal life, thus why "take heed" over it? But if a
"fall" could prevent an allegedly once 'saved' person from gaining
eternal life, then a Christian would want to really be careful not to
"fall".
Even Jesus himself made it clear that OBEYING Jesus was necessary for
his followers. Lu 6:46,
"Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?" (NIV)
If Christ died for our sins no matter what, then obeying Christ would
not be necessary. But Jesus thought otherwise.
I hope the above Bible Scriptures have helped to answer your question.
Sincerely, James
**If you wish to have a discussion with me, please use email since I
do not follow ng threads
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| User: "Gabriel" |
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| Title: Re: Question? Jesus/Cross/Death |
10 Jun 2007 01:26:09 PM |
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"James" <bireda@allvantage.com> wrote in message
news:b65m63pimgnpotc3g8cqpl48jqgj4dmv9l@4ax.com...
Sensi <sensi4sight@home.com>
Re: Question? Jesus/Cross/Death
If Jesus died on the cross for our sins does that mean we
are not held accountable nor do we *have* to be responsible
for that which we do?
Are we free to do as we please after accepting the belief?
Hello,
No, a 'once saved, always saved' doctrine is not a teaching from the
Bible.
I'm not sure who told you this, but you are spreading a lie. It's quite
clearly in the Bible, which is a way to see that what you've been told is
not true:
Romans 10:13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of
the Lord shall be saved.
John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave
he power to become the sons of God, even to
them that believe on his name:
Hebrew 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins
of many; and unto them that look for him
shall he appear the second time without
sin unto salvation.
It doesn't say in there "you shall be saved. Unless you sin again in which
case you'll be cast into hell". It doesn't say "as many as received him and
ceased all sinning.. " It doesn't say "Christ was offered to bear the sins
of many .. as long as they don't sin again." It's sins in terms of past,
present and future.
You try to add good works, or the absence of bad works, that guarantees
salvation, and it's most clearly showsn to not be the case with:
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves: it is the
gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
It is not by good works, or the absence of bad works, that gets you saved.
Being saved is a gift. There is nothing you can add to it. The blood of
Jesus Christ is what saves you. Not your own efforts at *all*.
Those that claim to have believed in Jesus Christ, and call out to be saved,
but then continue on to sin as before were in all liklihood never sincerely
saved to begin with. You can almost always tell who's sincerely saved by the
huge changes that take place in their lives.
Christians must daily try to do what is right, and stay away
from doing what is bad etc.
Not for the reasons you claim. If you are sincerely saved, God is no longer
your judge, but your father. You sin, you confess it privately to God in
prayer and repent, and He might chastise you in your life if he feels it
will help you grow.
It's in these verses very clearly why we don't sin, and the reason is *not*
so that you don't lose your salvation. Romans 5:20 - 6:23.
For those who want to read them, here they are:
Romans 5:20 - 6:23
Moreover the law entered, that the offense
might abound. But where sin abounded,
grace did much more abound:
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even
so might grace reign through righteousness
unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
What shall we say then? Shall we continue
in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead
to sin, live any longer therein?
Know ye not, that so many of us as were
baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized
into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism
into death: that like as Christ was raised
up from the dead by the glory of the Father,
even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the
likeness of his death, we shall be also in
the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified
with him, that the body of sin might be
destroyed, that henceforth we should not
serve sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe
that we shall also live with him:
Knowing that Christ being raised from the
dead dieth no more; death hath no more
dominion over him.
For in that he died, he died unto sin once:
but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be
dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God
through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal
body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Neither yield ye your members as instruments
of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield
yourselves unto God, as those that are alive
from the dead, and your members as instruments
of righteousness unto God.
For sin shall not have dominion over you:
for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
What then? shall we sin, because we are not
under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves
servants to obey, his servants ye are to
whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death,
or of obedience unto righteousness?
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants
of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart
that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Being then made free from sin, ye became the
servants of righteousness.
I speak after the manner of men because of
the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have
yielded your members servants to uncleanness
and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now
yield your members servants to righteousness
unto holiness.
For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were
free from righteousness.
What fruit had ye then in those things whereof
ye are now ashamed? for the end of those
things is death.
But now being made free from sin, and become
servants to God, ye have your fruit unto
holiness, and the end everlasting life.
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift
of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
[rest of Biblical heresy deleted]
Any time anyone claims something, simply check it with the Word of God. It's
that simple.
God Bless!
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| User: "Jack Baun" |
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| Title: Re: Question? Jesus/Cross/Death |
15 Jun 2007 08:12:59 PM |
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"James" <bireda@allvantage.com> wrote in message
news:b65m63pimgnpotc3g8cqpl48jqgj4dmv9l@4ax.com...
Sensi <sensi4sight@home.com>
Re: Question? Jesus/Cross/Death
If Jesus died on the cross for our sins does that mean we
are not held accountable nor do we *have* to be responsible
for that which we do?
Are we free to do as we please after accepting the belief?
Hello,
No, a 'once saved, always saved' doctrine is not a teaching from the
Bible. Christians must daily try to do what is right, and stay away
from doing what is bad etc.
For example, notice the apostle Paul's statement at 1 Cor 10:12,
"Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not
fall." (NASB)
If you are forever saved, any 'fall' would not have a great impact on
your future eternal life, thus why "take heed" over it? But if a
"fall" could prevent an allegedly once 'saved' person from gaining
eternal life, then a Christian would want to really be careful not to
"fall".
Even Jesus himself made it clear that OBEYING Jesus was necessary for
his followers. Lu 6:46,
"Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?" (NIV)
If Christ died for our sins no matter what, then obeying Christ would
not be necessary. But Jesus thought otherwise.
I hope the above Bible Scriptures have helped to answer your question.
Sincerely, James
**If you wish to have a discussion with me, please use email since I
do not follow ng threads
Sensi,
James had it right I think . Life is a learning experiance where
Jesus wants you to improve when you kinow what you did wrong. If you
continue to sin without careing then you are not one of his. If you were
killed every time you sined nobody would be saved. If you repent you are
forgiven , that's what Christ died for , but ....only if you are learning
not if you are playing games. Jack
***********************************
Want a Free home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
http://www.watchtower.org
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: Question? Jesus/Cross/Death |
10 Jun 2007 09:04:26 AM |
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Last time that great scribe James <bireda@allvantage.com> chipped away
at his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
Sensi <sensi4sight@home.com>
Re: Question? Jesus/Cross/Death
If Jesus died on the cross for our sins does that mean we
are not held accountable nor do we *have* to be responsible
for that which we do?
Are we free to do as we please after accepting the belief?
Hello,
No, a 'once saved, always saved' doctrine is not a teaching from the
Bible. Christians must daily try to do what is right, and stay away
from doing what is bad etc.
For example, notice the apostle Paul's statement at 1 Cor 10:12,
"Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not
fall." (NASB)
Why would anyone give anything more than the time of day to that most
colossal of Jerks - Paul. The Pauline epistles are THE most boring part
of the whole bible.
--
Remove both YOUR_SHOES before replying
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make
you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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09 Jun 2007 11:26:11 PM |
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On Jun 9, 4:14 pm, James <bir...@allvantage.com> wrote:
Sensi <sensi4si...@home.com>
Re: Question? Jesus/Cross/Death
If Jesus died on the cross for our sins does that mean we
are not held accountable nor do we *have* to be responsible
for that which we do?
Are we free to do as we please after accepting the belief?
Hello,
No, a 'once saved, always saved' doctrine is not a teaching from the
Bible. Christians must daily try to do what is right, and stay away
from doing what is bad etc.
Things that must occur for your worldview to be accurate...
1. Eternal Life given must not be eternal.
2. The imperishable seed must perish.
3. The gift of God must be repented of.
4. What started in faith must end in works.
Ken Clifton
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| User: "®andy" |
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| Title: Re: Question? Jesus/Cross/Death |
09 Jun 2007 04:37:24 PM |
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 17:14:13 -0400,
in article <b65m63pimgnpotc3g8cqpl48jqgj4dmv9l@4ax.com>,
James <bireda@allvantage.com> wrote:
No, a 'once saved, always saved' doctrine is not a teaching from the
Bible. Christians must daily try to do what is right, and stay away
from doing what is bad etc.
First, you are a damned heretick for rejecting the fact Christ
is God, if you are a Jehovah's Witness.
Second, the salvation of sinners depends on God's sovereign
grace, so that He alone can get the glory. The direct
implication of the false doctrine that a person who is
actually saved can become lost, is that salvation depends, to
some extent, on the ability of the person to keep themselves
saved.
Romans 8 dispels any doubt about this, as it plainly states
those God called, He also justified, and those He justified,
He also glorified. God has already predestined those whom he
saves, to reach glory. There is NOTHING, therefore, that can
separate the believer from the love and sovereign purposes of
God.
If someone appears to be saved, then later reveals they are
not, it is because they were never saved in the first place,
not because they were saved, then screwed things up. To teach
otherwise is to promote a merit based gospel, and invite the
damnation of God (Gal. 1:8-9).
Now, that's not to say that christians have a license to sin,
or that they should not obey God and do what's right, because
they should. It's just that trying to make the fruit of
salvation, with it's love and good works, a condition whereby
a person must merit their salvation in the first place, is a
damnable heresy (Gal. 1:8-9).
--
Wait for the LORD; be strong and take heart and wait for the
LORD. - Psalm 27:14
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
©2007 www.pulpitfire.org
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Question? Jesus/Cross/Death |
10 Jun 2007 08:15:11 AM |
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 17:14:13 -0400, James <bireda@allvantage.com> wrote:
No, a 'once saved, always saved' doctrine is not a teaching from the
Bible. Christians must daily try to do what is right, and stay away
from doing what is bad etc.
For example, notice the apostle Paul's statement at 1 Cor 10:12,
"Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not
fall." (NASB)
Personally, I consider:
Hebrews 10:26-27 (New International Version)
26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of
the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of
judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Salt and Pepper" |
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| Title: Re: Question? Jesus/Cross/Death |
09 Jun 2007 04:23:13 PM |
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Please don't listen to the J.W.'s
The question was about "After you except His (Jesus) beliefs"
You must receive Jesus into your heart and be born again. That is the first
step, after that you will be changed and God's law is written on your heart,
in other words you won't want to live just any old way.
J.W.'s deny the teaching of the Bible and the deity of Christ.
Soggy
"James" <bireda@allvantage.com> wrote in message
news:b65m63pimgnpotc3g8cqpl48jqgj4dmv9l@4ax.com...
Sensi <sensi4sight@home.com>
Re: Question? Jesus/Cross/Death
If Jesus died on the cross for our sins does that mean we
are not held accountable nor do we *have* to be responsible
for that which we do?
Are we free to do as we please after accepting the belief?
Hello,
No, a 'once saved, always saved' doctrine is not a teaching from the
Bible. Christians must daily try to do what is right, and stay away
from doing what is bad etc.
For example, notice the apostle Paul's statement at 1 Cor 10:12,
"Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not
fall." (NASB)
If you are forever saved, any 'fall' would not have a great impact on
your future eternal life, thus why "take heed" over it? But if a
"fall" could prevent an allegedly once 'saved' person from gaining
eternal life, then a Christian would want to really be careful not to
"fall".
Even Jesus himself made it clear that OBEYING Jesus was necessary for
his followers. Lu 6:46,
"Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?" (NIV)
If Christ died for our sins no matter what, then obeying Christ would
not be necessary. But Jesus thought otherwise.
I hope the above Bible Scriptures have helped to answer your question.
Sincerely, James
**If you wish to have a discussion with me, please use email since I
do not follow ng threads
***********************************
Want a Free home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
http://www.watchtower.org
***********************************
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| User: "®andy" |
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| Title: Re: Question? Jesus/Cross/Death |
09 Jun 2007 04:37:46 PM |
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On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 17:23:13 -0400,
in article <c7f67$466b1af2$d066ef45$31690@FUSE.NET>,
"Salt and Pepper" <NOMAILsorry@27785553opps.com> wrote:
Please don't listen to the J.W.'s
The question was about "After you except His (Jesus) beliefs"
You must receive Jesus into your heart and be born again. That is the first
step, after that you will be changed and God's law is written on your heart,
in other words you won't want to live just any old way.
J.W.'s deny the teaching of the Bible and the deity of Christ.
Correct.
--
Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers. - Psalm 1:1
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
©2007 www.pulpitfire.org
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| User: " ::: vera :::" |
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| Title: Re: Question? Jesus/Cross/Death |
09 Jun 2007 05:41:43 PM |
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In news:6d7m63pe0r57ksm2890v8mtp2rbrip0ob7@4ax.com,
®andy <pulpitfire@gmail.com> typed:
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 17:23:13 -0400,
in article <c7f67$466b1af2$d066ef45$31690@FUSE.NET>,
"Salt and Pepper" <NOMAILsorry@27785553opps.com> wrote:
Please don't listen to the J.W.'s
The question was about "After you except His (Jesus) beliefs"
You must receive Jesus into your heart and be born again. That is
the first step, after that you will be changed and God's law is
written on your heart, in other words you won't want to live just
any old way.
J.W.'s deny the teaching of the Bible and the deity of Christ.
Correct.
Yes, and that is the same with OWD and Donna and her hubby - ss well as
with most of the other blasphemers.
It is NOT our job to fellowship with them or to teach them. It is our
job to reject them - to show them and others that they are wrong.
--
Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or
stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers. - Psalm
1:1
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
©2007 www.pulpitfire.org
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| User: "Salt and Pepper" |
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| Title: Re: Question? Jesus/Cross/Death |
09 Jun 2007 05:52:38 PM |
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" ::: vera :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5d0ol9F32b0ajU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:6d7m63pe0r57ksm2890v8mtp2rbrip0ob7@4ax.com,
®andy <pulpitfire@gmail.com> typed:
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 17:23:13 -0400,
in article <c7f67$466b1af2$d066ef45$31690@FUSE.NET>,
"Salt and Pepper" <NOMAILsorry@27785553opps.com> wrote:
Please don't listen to the J.W.'s
The question was about "After you except His (Jesus) beliefs"
You must receive Jesus into your heart and be born again. That is
the first step, after that you will be changed and God's law is
written on your heart, in other words you won't want to live just
any old way.
J.W.'s deny the teaching of the Bible and the deity of Christ.
Correct.
Yes, and that is the same with OWD and Donna and her hubby - ss well as
with most of the other blasphemers.
It is NOT our job to fellowship with them or to teach them. It is our job
to reject them - to show them and others that they are wrong.
First and foremost as believer in the Lord Jesus Christ we must keep our
hearts pure before the Lord, guarding them from all impure motives, from
pride, un-forgiveness, guile and malice. On usernet continually confronting
false teachers becomes nothing more than poking a troll with a stick, the
end result is they will hang around as long as they can provoke any
reaction. Where I live there are Kingdom Halls (J.W.'s) everywhere but I
have never heard any pastor tell his people to actively go after them,
pursue them daily or anything like that but rather to avoid them.
True biblical fellowship is around God's word.
Soggy
--
Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or
stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers. - Psalm
1:1
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
©2007 www.pulpitfire.org
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| User: "®andy" |
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| Title: Re: Question? Jesus/Cross/Death |
09 Jun 2007 08:27:21 PM |
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On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:52:38 -0400,
in article <47c8d$466b2fe3$d066ef45$6209@FUSE.NET>,
"Salt and Pepper" <NOMAILsorry@27785553opps.com> wrote:
First and foremost as believer in the Lord Jesus Christ we must keep our
hearts pure before the Lord, guarding them from all impure motives, from
pride, un-forgiveness, guile and malice. On usernet continually confronting
false teachers becomes nothing more than poking a troll with a stick, the
end result is they will hang around as long as they can provoke any
reaction. Where I live there are Kingdom Halls (J.W.'s) everywhere but I
have never heard any pastor tell his people to actively go after them,
pursue them daily or anything like that but rather to avoid them.
True biblical fellowship is around God's word.
You know, before I put Owd in a kill-file, back when I was
rejecting him on a post by post basis, he stopped responding
to what I was saying. Then I noticed, when filling in the
gaps from Google, that since I stopped, he is now maligning my
posts on a post by post basis. Why did he suddenly become
bold?
I'd rather not be limited to either abandoning the newsgroups,
or else putting my hands over my eyes, ears, and mouth, and
playing "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil", as if this
constitutes "withdrawal", or "rejection", of heresy.
--
for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the
victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. - 1 John
5:4
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
©2007 www.pulpitfire.org
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| User: "Ben Mitts" |
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| Title: Re: Question? Jesus/Cross/Death |
09 Jun 2007 10:12:50 PM |
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®andy wrote:
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:52:38 -0400,
in article <47c8d$466b2fe3$d066ef45$6209@FUSE.NET>,
"Salt and Pepper" <NOMAILsorry@27785553opps.com> wrote:
First and foremost as believer in the Lord Jesus Christ we must keep our
hearts pure before the Lord, guarding them from all impure motives, from
pride, un-forgiveness, guile and malice. On usernet continually confronting
false teachers becomes nothing more than poking a troll with a stick, the
end result is they will hang around as long as they can provoke any
reaction. Where I live there are Kingdom Halls (J.W.'s) everywhere but I
have never heard any pastor tell his people to actively go after them,
pursue them daily or anything like that but rather to avoid them.
True biblical fellowship is around God's word.
You know, before I put Owd in a kill-file, back when I was
rejecting him on a post by post basis, he stopped responding
to what I was saying. Then I noticed, when filling in the
gaps from Google, that since I stopped, he is now maligning my
posts on a post by post basis. Why did he suddenly become
bold?
I'd rather not be limited to either abandoning the newsgroups,
or else putting my hands over my eyes, ears, and mouth, and
playing "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil", as if this
constitutes "withdrawal", or "rejection", of heresy.
Maybe because your not confronting
him on a header by header basis as
much. He may think you've gotten
tirred and have quit or slowed down
in your responses.
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| User: "Matt. " |
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09 Jun 2007 06:33:13 PM |
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On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:52:38 -0400, "Salt and Pepper"
<NOMAILsorry@27785553opps.com> wrote:
" ::: vera :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5d0ol9F32b0ajU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:6d7m63pe0r57ksm2890v8mtp2rbrip0ob7@4ax.com,
®andy <pulpitfire@gmail.com> typed:
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 17:23:13 -0400,
in article <c7f67$466b1af2$d066ef45$31690@FUSE.NET>,
"Salt and Pepper" <NOMAILsorry@27785553opps.com> wrote:
Please don't listen to the J.W.'s
The question was about "After you except His (Jesus) beliefs"
You must receive Jesus into your heart and be born again. That is
the first step, after that you will be changed and God's law is
written on your heart, in other words you won't want to live just
any old way.
J.W.'s deny the teaching of the Bible and the deity of Christ.
Correct.
Yes, and that is the same with OWD and Donna and her hubby - ss well as
with most of the other blasphemers.
It is NOT our job to fellowship with them or to teach them. It is our job
to reject them - to show them and others that they are wrong.
First and foremost as believer in the Lord Jesus Christ we must keep our
hearts pure before the Lord, guarding them from all impure motives, from
pride, un-forgiveness, guile and malice. On usernet continually confronting
false teachers becomes nothing more than poking a troll with a stick, the
end result is they will hang around as long as they can provoke any
reaction. Where I live there are Kingdom Halls (J.W.'s) everywhere but I
have never heard any pastor tell his people to actively go after them,
pursue them daily or anything like that but rather to avoid them.
True biblical fellowship is around God's word.
Soggy
Hi Soggy
I agree with what you say, but isn't it also right to try to
convert them to Christ true teachings?
To bring someone to Christ is to me a good thing.
God Bless
Matt
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Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or
stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers. - Psalm
1:1
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
©2007 www.pulpitfire.org
http://home.comcast.net/~ac-christianlife/
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09 Jun 2007 06:53:34 PM |
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"Matt." <trdell1234@......gmail.com > wrote in message
news:23em639o5v1nk4hpmobl7drpkoil2j5io0@4ax.com...
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:52:38 -0400, "Salt and Pepper"
<NOMAILsorry@27785553opps.com> wrote:
" ::: vera :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5d0ol9F32b0ajU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:6d7m63pe0r57ksm2890v8mtp2rbrip0ob7@4ax.com,
®andy <pulpitfire@gmail.com> typed:
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 17:23:13 -0400,
in article <c7f67$466b1af2$d066ef45$31690@FUSE.NET>,
"Salt and Pepper" <NOMAILsorry@27785553opps.com> wrote:
Please don't listen to the J.W.'s
The question was about "After you except His (Jesus) beliefs"
You must receive Jesus into your heart and be born again. That is
the first step, after that you will be changed and God's law is
written on your heart, in other words you won't want to live just
any old way.
J.W.'s deny the teaching of the Bible and the deity of Christ.
Correct.
Yes, and that is the same with OWD and Donna and her hubby - ss well as
with most of the other blasphemers.
It is NOT our job to fellowship with them or to teach them. It is our
job
to reject them - to show them and others that they are wrong.
First and foremost as believer in the Lord Jesus Christ we must keep our
hearts pure before the Lord, guarding them from all impure motives, from
pride, un-forgiveness, guile and malice. On usernet continually
confronting
false teachers becomes nothing more than poking a troll with a stick, the
end result is they will hang around as long as they can provoke any
reaction. Where I live there are Kingdom Halls (J.W.'s) everywhere but I
have never heard any pastor tell his people to actively go after them,
pursue them daily or anything like that but rather to avoid them.
True biblical fellowship is around God's word.
Soggy
Hi Soggy
I agree with what you say, but isn't it also right to try to
convert them to Christ true teachings?
To bring someone to Christ is to me a good thing.
God Bless
Matt
In a word, no. The churches teach not to talk to them, not to try to convert
them and the reason why is simply that they are trained at twisting
scripture and deceiving Christian especially young believers. I believe it's
almost impossible to reach someone with the truth if they have set
themselves up as a teacher. We proclaim God's truth and our doors are open
to everyone but cultic groups are to be avoided in the market place, so to
speak.
Here's something you may be blessed by .....
Do you know why I first believed that Jesus was God some forty plus years
ago? It was because I heard His voice, after that, I knew He was God!
Love and Peace
Soggy
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| User: "®andy" |
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| Title: Re: Question? Jesus/Cross/Death |
09 Jun 2007 08:21:38 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:41:43 +0200,
in article <5d0ol9F32b0ajU1@mid.individual.net>,
" ::: vera :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:6d7m63pe0r57ksm2890v8mtp2rbrip0ob7@4ax.com,
®andy <pulpitfire@gmail.com> typed:
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 17:23:13 -0400,
in article <c7f67$466b1af2$d066ef45$31690@FUSE.NET>,
"Salt and Pepper" <NOMAILsorry@27785553opps.com> wrote:
Please don't listen to the J.W.'s
The question was about "After you except His (Jesus) beliefs"
You must receive Jesus into your heart and be born again. That is
the first step, after that you will be changed and God's law is
written on your heart, in other words you won't want to live just
any old way.
J.W.'s deny the teaching of the Bible and the deity of Christ.
Correct.
Yes, and that is the same with OWD and Donna and her hubby - ss well as
with most of the other blasphemers.
It is NOT our job to fellowship with them or to teach them. It is our
job to reject them - to show them and others that they are wrong.
Correct.
--
And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless until the day of Christ, - Philippians 1:9-10
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
©2007 www.pulpitfire.org
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