Religions > Bible > Re: Religous Right may be Driving People away from Religion
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"Pastor Frank" |
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28 Nov 2004 02:33:05 AM |
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Re: Religous Right may be Driving People away from Religion |
"Dave Thompson" <DaTh@kissmybigfatwhitehairyass.com> wrote in message
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FALSE ATTRIBUTION
The survey says nothing about the "religious right" driving people away
from religion.
How did you come up with the "religious right" being at fault for the
decline in religious participation?
I went to the website you linked to, and there isn't a damn thing in
that article that puts the blame to the "religious right".
There was a survey a while ago that the religious right was the most
disliked and distrusted group in the United States. Why would anyone be
encouraged to accept their strict religious beliefs if they hated them
this
much.
If you want the survey itself, try googling a few keywords.
The religious right is not "strict" at all, in a religious sense, for
they are very much salad-bar Christians. These Christians try to be both
Jew AND Christian, taking cripture from either OT or NT to justify
themselves. They already adopted Judaic beliefs regarding divorce a well as
Judaic beliefs, that the commandments of YHWH are optional. I.e. the 10
commandments forbid coveting what is thy neighbor's as well as killing, yet
both Jews and Americans justify, if not are proud of, the near total
extermination of their native populations, believing themselves justified in
the eyes of their God. This amounts to the religious right ignoring the
commandments of Christ which specify we are to love and care for, and about
our enemies, and do no harm to anyone, and that we will be judged and
treated as we judge and treat others. See below
Pastor Frank
JUDGMENT
Jesus in Mt:18:7: Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must
needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence
cometh!
Jesus in Mt:7:2: For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Jesus in Mt:23:12: And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased;
and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Rv:13:10: He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he
that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.
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| User: "Dave Thompson" |
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| Title: Re: Religous Right may be Driving People away from Religion |
29 Nov 2004 01:29:55 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"Dave Thompson" <DaTh@kissmybigfatwhitehairyass.com> wrote in message
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"user123" <somewhere@overthe.rainbow> wrote in message
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FALSE ATTRIBUTION
The survey says nothing about the "religious right" driving people away
from religion.
How did you come up with the "religious right" being at fault for the
decline in religious participation?
I went to the website you linked to, and there isn't a damn thing in
that article that puts the blame to the "religious right".
There was a survey a while ago that the religious right was the most
disliked and distrusted group in the United States. Why would anyone be
encouraged to accept their strict religious beliefs if they hated them
this
much.
If you want the survey itself, try googling a few keywords.
The religious right is not "strict" at all, in a religious sense, for
they are very much salad-bar Christians. These Christians try to be both
Jew AND Christian, taking cripture from either OT or NT to justify
themselves. They already adopted Judaic beliefs regarding divorce a well
as
Judaic beliefs, that the commandments of YHWH are optional. I.e. the 10
commandments forbid coveting what is thy neighbor's as well as killing,
yet
both Jews and Americans justify, if not are proud of, the near total
extermination of their native populations, believing themselves justified
in
the eyes of their God. This amounts to the religious right ignoring the
commandments of Christ which specify we are to love and care for, and
about
our enemies, and do no harm to anyone, and that we will be judged and
treated as we judge and treat others. See below
I don't normally agree with you, but I do in a sense. The religious right
really describes a socio-political group that uses a bastardized version of
Christianity to control their members and rally them behind whatever
political cause they have taken up. Just as we should be specific about what
Christian sect we are talking about, we should also be specific about if
their goal is religious or political in nature. I'm not a Christian but I've
always felt that Jesus would not be very happy with the religious right.
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| User: "Mindless Drooling Libruls" |
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| Title: Re: Religous Right may be Driving People away from Religion |
29 Nov 2004 01:32:29 PM |
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"Dave Thompson" <DaTh@kissmybigfatwhitehairyass.com> wrote in message
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I don't normally agree with you, but I do in a sense. The religious right
really describes a socio-political group that uses a bastardized version
of Christianity to control their members and rally them behind whatever
political cause they have taken up. Just as we should be specific about
what Christian sect we are talking about, we should also be specific about
if their goal is religious or political in nature. I'm not a Christian but
I've always felt that Jesus would not be very happy with the religious
right.
Do you feel Jesus would be very happy with the Atheist Left?
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| User: "Bob" |
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30 Nov 2004 10:11:41 AM |
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"Mindless Drooling Libruls" <LibFools@DemWhackjobs.com> wrote in message
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"Dave Thompson" <DaTh@kissmybigfatwhitehairyass.com> wrote in message
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I don't normally agree with you, but I do in a sense. The religious
right
really describes a socio-political group that uses a bastardized version
of Christianity to control their members and rally them behind whatever
political cause they have taken up. Just as we should be specific about
what Christian sect we are talking about, we should also be specific
about
if their goal is religious or political in nature. I'm not a Christian
but
I've always felt that Jesus would not be very happy with the religious
right.
Do you feel Jesus would be very happy with the Atheist Left?
LOL!!! :-) zing!
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| User: "Jedi" |
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30 Nov 2004 10:49:28 AM |
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"Bob" <BOB@BOB.BOB> wrote in message
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"Mindless Drooling Libruls" <LibFools@DemWhackjobs.com> wrote in message
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"Dave Thompson" <DaTh@kissmybigfatwhitehairyass.com> wrote in message
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I don't normally agree with you, but I do in a sense. The religious
right
really describes a socio-political group that uses a bastardized
version
of Christianity to control their members and rally them behind
whatever
political cause they have taken up. Just as we should be specific
about
what Christian sect we are talking about, we should also be specific
about
if their goal is religious or political in nature. I'm not a Christian
but
I've always felt that Jesus would not be very happy with the religious
right.
Do you feel Jesus would be very happy with the Atheist Left?
I don't have the arrogance to imagine that I could speak for a human let
alone someone that a group of people consider a human G~d (that isn't to say
that I'm not arrogant - just not in that way). Still I would say from what
Jesus preached that he would seem to favor one who believes there is not a
G~d but who follows the teachings of how to behave in a loving a respectful
manner towards all that has been created by G~d over a person who claims to
'worship' Jesus while destroying the environment (G~d's creation), driving
people into poverty to make one's self wealthy, etc....
Yep, no doubt in my mind that a righteous Atheist would be looked on with
far greater favor than a self-righteous 'born again' who never walked the
walk but only talked the talk. I believe that there are very few words that
are directly attributed to Jesus himself but that one quote runs along the
lines of it being more likely for a camel to pass through the eye of a
needle than for a rich man to make it into heaven. I also think he would
not be too pleased with these nut jobs that are driving people away from the
religion.
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Sins are driving people away from God.... |
30 Nov 2004 02:40:51 PM |
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"Jedi" <spamwarrior@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Dave Thompson" <DaTh@kissmybigfatwhitehairyass.com> wrote in message
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I don't normally agree with you, but I do in a sense. The religious
right
really describes a socio-political group that uses a bastardized
version
of Christianity to control their members and rally them behind
whatever
political cause they have taken up. Just as we should be specific
about
what Christian sect we are talking about, we should also be specific
about
if their goal is religious or political in nature. I'm not a
Christian
but
I've always felt that Jesus would not be very happy with the
religious
right.
Do you feel Jesus would be very happy with the Atheist Left?
I don't have the arrogance to imagine that I could speak for a human let
alone someone that a group of people consider a human G~d (that isn't to
say
that I'm not arrogant - just not in that way
Sure you are.
). Still I would say from what
Jesus preached that he would seem to favor one who believes there is not a
G~d but who follows the teachings of how to behave in a loving a
respectful
manner towards all that has been created by G~d over a person who claims
to
'worship' Jesus while destroying the environment (G~d's creation), driving
people into poverty to make one's self wealthy, etc....
The poor people I met while I lived in a trailer park for 12 years were
99% responsible for their own poverty. Poverty doesn't just magically
happen, there are reasons and the rich are not the ones who are to blame for
the person's own moronic choices. Most poor people are just too stupid to
handle money. Period.
Yep, no doubt in my mind that a righteous Atheist
There are no righteous atheists. There are no righteous anything:
Rom 3:10 as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
would be looked on with
far greater favor than a self-righteous 'born again' who never walked the
walk but only talked the talk.
What you describe is an unbeliever, not a Christian.
I believe that there are very few words that
are directly attributed to Jesus himself but that one quote runs along the
lines of it being more likely for a camel to pass through the eye of a
needle than for a rich man to make it into heaven. I also think he would
not be too pleased with these nut jobs that are driving people away from
the
religion.
The reasons people are driven away from Christianity are two-fold:
Numero Uno: People refuse to tolerate being told that their pet
practices or attitudes are sinful. Their sins run most people away from God.
Numero Dos: Hypocritical morons usually hold a majority, however slim,
in many churches and their blind hearts filled with hypocrisy shine out like
a warning sign that the one who dares to approach will not like whatever it
is that these hypocrites have; and they are right. So yes, hypocrites in the
church run people away. But God is not surprized....
As a child I grew up in Metairie, Louisiana, (the main suburb of New
Orleans)and a greater hotbed of hypocrisy there never was.... I went to the
same high school as David Duke, former Imperial Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan,
now president of the NAAWP (Nat'l Assoc. for the Advancement of White
People) He would stand at the gates of the football stadium after school
games and pass out Klan "literature". You can't call it literature because
something intended to be read by illiterate, hate-mongering,
false-Christians is not literature. Heck, 90% of what Rowland Croucher has
on his website falls into that category.
But I digress. God is not surprized, nor has His plan been stopped from
yielding fruit. Every single person that He wants to go to Heaven and live
with Him will come. It is impossible that it could be otherwise. The Bible
clearly states in numerous places that the decree of God known as
Predestination assures a place in Heaven for God's Elect.
Rom 8:29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined {to become}
conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among
many brethren;
Rom 8:30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He
called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
Rom 9:14 ¶ What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there?
May it never be!
Rom 9:15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND
I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION."
Rom 9:16 So then it {does} not {depend} on the man who wills or the man who
runs, but on God who has mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED
YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED
THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH."
Rom 9:18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He
desires.
Rom 9:19 ¶ You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who
resists His will?"
Rom 9:20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The
thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this,"
will it?
Rom 9:21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the
same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?
Rom 9:22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make
His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for
destruction?
Rom 9:23 And {He did so} to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels
of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory,
Rom 9:24 {even} us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also
from among Gentiles.
Eph 1:5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to
Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
Eph 1:11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined
according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,
Bob<><
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Love begins when you feel the needs of another
exceed the needs of yourself. -- Unknown
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| User: "Harry Hope" |
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30 Nov 2004 10:45:44 PM |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:40:51 -0500, "Bob" <BOB@BOB.BOB> wrote:
"Jedi" <spamwarrior@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Bob" <BOB@BOB.BOB> wrote in message
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"Mindless Drooling Libruls" <LibFools@DemWhackjobs.com> wrote in message
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"Dave Thompson" <DaTh@kissmybigfatwhitehairyass.com> wrote in message
news:10qmu5nbinku76f@corp.supernews.com...
I don't normally agree with you, but I do in a sense. The religious
right
really describes a socio-political group that uses a bastardized
version
of Christianity to control their members and rally them behind
whatever
political cause they have taken up. Just as we should be specific
about
what Christian sect we are talking about, we should also be specific
about
if their goal is religious or political in nature. I'm not a
Christian
but
I've always felt that Jesus would not be very happy with the
religious
right.
Do you feel Jesus would be very happy with the Atheist Left?
I don't have the arrogance to imagine that I could speak for a human let
alone someone that a group of people consider a human G~d (that isn't to
say
that I'm not arrogant - just not in that way
Sure you are.
). Still I would say from what
Jesus preached that he would seem to favor one who believes there is not a
G~d but who follows the teachings of how to behave in a loving a
respectful
manner towards all that has been created by G~d over a person who claims
to
'worship' Jesus while destroying the environment (G~d's creation), driving
people into poverty to make one's self wealthy, etc....
The poor people I met while I lived in a trailer park for 12 years were
99% responsible for their own poverty. Poverty doesn't just magically
happen, there are reasons and the rich are not the ones who are to blame for
the person's own moronic choices. Most poor people are just too stupid to
handle money. Period.
Yep, no doubt in my mind that a righteous Atheist
There are no righteous atheists. There are no righteous anything:
Rom 3:10 as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
would be looked on with
far greater favor than a self-righteous 'born again' who never walked the
walk but only talked the talk.
What you describe is an unbeliever, not a Christian.
I believe that there are very few words that
are directly attributed to Jesus himself but that one quote runs along the
lines of it being more likely for a camel to pass through the eye of a
needle than for a rich man to make it into heaven. I also think he would
not be too pleased with these nut jobs that are driving people away from
the
religion.
The reasons people are driven away from Christianity are two-fold:
Numero Uno: People refuse to tolerate being told that their pet
practices or attitudes are sinful. Their sins run most people away from God.
Numero Dos: Hypocritical morons usually hold a majority, however slim,
in many churches and their blind hearts filled with hypocrisy shine out like
a warning sign that the one who dares to approach will not like whatever it
is that these hypocrites have; and they are right. So yes, hypocrites in the
church run people away. But God is not surprized....
As a child I grew up in Metairie, Louisiana, (the main suburb of New
Orleans)and a greater hotbed of hypocrisy there never was.... I went to the
same high school as David Duke, former Imperial Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan,
now president of the NAAWP (Nat'l Assoc. for the Advancement of White
People) He would stand at the gates of the football stadium after school
games and pass out Klan "literature". You can't call it literature because
something intended to be read by illiterate, hate-mongering,
false-Christians is not literature. Heck, 90% of what Rowland Croucher has
on his website falls into that category.
But I digress. God is not surprized, nor has His plan been stopped from
yielding fruit. Every single person that He wants to go to Heaven and live
with Him will come. It is impossible that it could be otherwise. The Bible
clearly states in numerous places that the decree of God known as
Predestination assures a place in Heaven for God's Elect.
Rom 8:29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined {to become}
conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among
many brethren;
Rom 8:30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He
called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
Rom 9:14 ¶ What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there?
May it never be!
Rom 9:15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND
I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION."
Rom 9:16 So then it {does} not {depend} on the man who wills or the man who
runs, but on God who has mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED
YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED
THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH."
Rom 9:18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He
desires.
Rom 9:19 ¶ You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who
resists His will?"
Rom 9:20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The
thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this,"
will it?
Rom 9:21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the
same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?
Rom 9:22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make
His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for
destruction?
Rom 9:23 And {He did so} to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels
of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory,
Rom 9:24 {even} us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also
from among Gentiles.
Eph 1:5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to
Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
Eph 1:11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined
according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,
Bob<><
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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08 Dec 2004 03:49:30 AM |
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"Jedi" <spamwarrior@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Bob" <BOB@BOB.BOB> wrote in message
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"Dave Thompson" <DaTh@kissmybigfatwhitehairyass.com> wrote in message
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I don't normally agree with you, but I do in a sense. The religious
right
really describes a socio-political group that uses a bastardized
version
of Christianity to control their members and rally them behind
whatever
political cause they have taken up. Just as we should be specific
about
what Christian sect we are talking about, we should also be specific
about
if their goal is religious or political in nature. I'm not a
Christian
but
I've always felt that Jesus would not be very happy with the
religious
right.
Do you feel Jesus would be very happy with the Atheist Left?
I don't have the arrogance to imagine that I could speak for a human let
alone someone that a group of people consider a human G~d (that isn't to
say
that I'm not arrogant - just not in that way). Still I would say from
what
Jesus preached that he would seem to favor one who believes there is not a
G~d but who follows the teachings of how to behave in a loving a
respectful
manner towards all that has been created by G~d over a person who claims
to
'worship' Jesus while destroying the environment (G~d's creation), driving
people into poverty to make one's self wealthy, etc....
Yep, no doubt in my mind that a righteous Atheist would be looked on with
far greater favor than a self-righteous 'born again' who never walked the
walk but only talked the talk. I believe that there are very few words
that
are directly attributed to Jesus himself but that one quote runs along the
lines of it being more likely for a camel to pass through the eye of a
needle than for a rich man to make it into heaven. I also think he would
not be too pleased with these nut jobs that are driving people away from
the
religion.
I think you should drop your primitive and childish definition of the
word "God" and adopt the definition Jesus had of His God. See Him explaining
it to a skeptical Philip below. Then re-write the above so it makes sense.
Pastor Frank
"GOD" The Christian meaning of the word according to scripture:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus in John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7: If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also:
and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8: Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9: Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10: Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that
dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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03 Dec 2004 06:06:27 PM |
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Matt.12:28-31
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"Dave Thompson" <DaTh@kissmybigfatwhitehairyass.com> wrote in message
news:10qmu5nbinku76f@corp.supernews.com...
I don't normally agree with you, but I do in a sense. The religious
right
really describes a socio-political group that uses a bastardized
version
of Christianity to control their members and rally them behind
whatever
political cause they have taken up. Just as we should be specific
about
what Christian sect we are talking about, we should also be specific
about
if their goal is religious or political in nature. I'm not a
Christian
but
I've always felt that Jesus would not be very happy with the
religious
right.
Do you feel Jesus would be very happy with the Atheist Left?
I don't have the arrogance to imagine that I could speak for a human let
alone someone that a group of people consider a human G~d (that isn't to
say
that I'm not arrogant - just not in that way). Still I would say from
what
Jesus preached that he would seem to favor one who believes there is not a
G~d but who follows the teachings of how to behave in a loving a
respectful
manner towards all that has been created by G~d over a person who claims
to
'worship' Jesus while destroying the environment (G~d's creation), driving
people into poverty to make one's self wealthy, etc....
Yep, no doubt in my mind that a righteous Atheist would be looked on with
far greater favor than a self-righteous 'born again' who never walked the
walk but only talked the talk. I believe that there are very few words
that
are directly attributed to Jesus himself but that one quote runs along the
lines of it being more likely for a camel to pass through the eye of a
needle than for a rich man to make it into heaven. I also think he would
not be too pleased with these nut jobs that are driving people away from
the
religion.
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"Mindless Drooling Libruls" <LibFools@DemWhackjobs.com> wrote in message
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st
I don't normally agree with you, but I do in a sense. The religious
right
really describes a socio-political group that uses a bastardized version
of Christianity to control their members and rally them behind whatever
political cause they have taken up. Just as we should be specific about
what Christian sect we are talking about, we should also be specific
about
if their goal is religious or political in nature. I'm not a Christian
but
I've always felt that Jesus would not be very happy with the religious
right.
Do you feel Jesus would be very happy with the Atheist Left?
Good point!!!!! Atheists always leave the most obvious question
unanswered. However it is true, that Christ's words are not taught in
today's churches. The reasoning goes, that Christ talked to the Jews, not to
us Gentiles. We are saved by His blood, not by following any commandments,
not even those of Christ. That is why we need not listen to Christ's words.
I'm afraid the "Jesus" most follow is not the Christ of the NT Bible,
and many who think they are saved through Him are not, and will hear those
dreadful words below one day.
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples,
if ye have love one to another.
Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one another,
as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down
his life for his friends.
Jesus in John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command...
Jesus in John 14:21-24 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the
one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will
love him and show myself to him." He who does not love me will not obey my
teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who
sent me."
Jesus in Mt:7:21-23: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father
which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy
name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never
knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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29 Nov 2004 02:09:49 PM |
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"Mindless Drooling Libruls" <LibFools@DemWhackjobs.com> wrote in message
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"Dave Thompson" <DaTh@kissmybigfatwhitehairyass.com> wrote in message
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I don't normally agree with you, but I do in a sense. The religious right
really describes a socio-political group that uses a bastardized version
of Christianity to control their members and rally them behind whatever
political cause they have taken up. Just as we should be specific about
what Christian sect we are talking about, we should also be specific
about if their goal is religious or political in nature. I'm not a
Christian but I've always felt that Jesus would not be very happy with
the religious right.
Do you feel Jesus would be very happy with the Atheist Left?
What does it matter? They don't believe in him. The responsibility of being
true to his teachings are for the believers, not the unbelievers.
In fact, most unbelievers I know live more like Christ asked his followers
to than true believers themselves. Not a hateful, bigoted, ignorant, pushy,
holier than thou busy body in the group. It seems like when you don't have
the luxury of believing a supreme being condones your poor behavior you
start treating your fellow man as you would want to be treated. Wonder how
that happens?
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| User: "Mindless Drooling Libruls" |
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29 Nov 2004 02:23:28 PM |
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"Dave Thompson" <DaTh@kissmybigfatwhitehairyass.com> wrote in message
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I don't normally agree with you, but I do in a sense. The religious
right really describes a socio-political group that uses a bastardized
version of Christianity to control their members and rally them behind
whatever political cause they have taken up. Just as we should be
specific about what Christian sect we are talking about, we should also
be specific about if their goal is religious or political in nature. I'm
not a Christian but I've always felt that Jesus would not be very happy
with the religious right.
Do you feel Jesus would be very happy with the Atheist Left?
What does it matter? They don't believe in him. The responsibility of
being true to his teachings are for the believers, not the unbelievers.
Attempt to dodge the question duly noted.
The responsibility to be true to His teachings are for everyone, since His
truth is universal. And I suspect Jesus is FAR happier with the religious
right than He is with the Atheist Left.
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| User: "ausstu" |
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04 Dec 2004 05:52:46 AM |
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"Mindless Drooling Libruls" <LibFools@DemWhackjobs.com> wrote in message
Attempt to dodge the question duly noted.
The responsibility to be true to His teachings are for everyone, since His
truth is universal. And I suspect Jesus is FAR happier with the religious
right than He is with the Atheist Left.
Of course as a religious right I imagine that is what you would
believe. Personally, I think Jesus if he did exist would have been
more concerned about a persons deeds rather than their rhetoric. This
means an athiest who does kind acts like a good Samaritan would be
more highly though of that alot of born again Christian who like
pharisees in the bible, are a bunch of phony hypocrates.
I don't think Jesus would be proud of associating with someone who
describes himself as the "War President" do you.
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| User: "Bob" |
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04 Dec 2004 12:18:51 PM |
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"ausstu" <ausstu@primus.com.au> wrote in message
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"Mindless Drooling Libruls" <LibFools@DemWhackjobs.com> wrote in message
Attempt to dodge the question duly noted.
The responsibility to be true to His teachings are for everyone, since
His
truth is universal. And I suspect Jesus is FAR happier with the
religious
right than He is with the Atheist Left.
Of course as a religious right I imagine that is what you would
believe. Personally, I think Jesus if he did exist would have been
more concerned about a persons deeds rather than their rhetoric. This
means an athiest who does kind acts like a good Samaritan would be
more highly though of that alot of born again Christian who like
pharisees in the bible, are a bunch of phony hypocrates.
I don't think Jesus would be proud of associating with someone who
describes himself as the "War President" do you.
Helloooooo!!!!
We didn't start the war.... the 'rabs did. And it will never end. Get
your kids ready, as the islamists are doing it already with their kids.
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| User: "ausstu" |
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04 Dec 2004 04:12:15 PM |
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"Bob" <BOB@BOB.BOB> wrote in message news:<Er-dndus1_VZYizcRVn-iQ@pghconnect.com>...
"ausstu" <ausstu@primus.com.au> wrote in message
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"Mindless Drooling Libruls" <LibFools@DemWhackjobs.com> wrote in message
Attempt to dodge the question duly noted.
The responsibility to be true to His teachings are for everyone, since
His
truth is universal. And I suspect Jesus is FAR happier with the
religious
right than He is with the Atheist Left.
Of course as a religious right I imagine that is what you would
believe. Personally, I think Jesus if he did exist would have been
more concerned about a persons deeds rather than their rhetoric. This
means an athiest who does kind acts like a good Samaritan would be
more highly though of that alot of born again Christian who like
pharisees in the bible, are a bunch of phony hypocrates.
I don't think Jesus would be proud of associating with someone who
describes himself as the "War President" do you.
Helloooooo!!!!
We didn't start the war.... the 'rabs did. And it will never end. Get
your kids ready, as the islamists are doing it already with their kids.
The War president did start an unneccessary war in Iraq over a lie,
WMD that did not exist. Regardless, the topic here is what would
Jesus say about this. My impression is that he would be against all
war and hold the view that loving your enemy is what will eventually
stop them from attacking you. Tell me what do you think Jesus would
have done if he was president?
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| User: "B0B" |
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04 Dec 2004 09:55:10 PM |
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"ausstu" <ausstu@primus.com.au> wrote
The War president did start an unneccessary war in Iraq over a lie,
WMD that did not exist.
You don't know that for a fact. A lot of things were taken to Syria,
buried or destroyed.
Regardless, the topic here is what would
Jesus say about this. My impression is that he would be against all
war and hold the view that loving your enemy is what will eventually
stop them from attacking you. Tell me what do you think Jesus would
have done if he was president?
I dunno about what if He was president, but I do know that He will
probably come back to earth soon and kill most of the people He finds.
Unless you read Revelation some other way I never heard of!!
Bob<><
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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06 Dec 2004 11:53:00 AM |
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Got that right...
"B0B" <BOB@BOB.BOB> wrote in message
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"ausstu" <ausstu@primus.com.au> wrote
The War president did start an unneccessary war in Iraq over a lie,
WMD that did not exist.
You don't know that for a fact. A lot of things were taken to Syria,
buried or destroyed.
Regardless, the topic here is what would
Jesus say about this. My impression is that he would be against all
war and hold the view that loving your enemy is what will eventually
stop them from attacking you. Tell me what do you think Jesus would
have done if he was president?
I dunno about what if He was president, but I do know that He will
probably come back to earth soon and kill most of the people He finds.
Unless you read Revelation some other way I never heard of!!
Bob<><
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09 Dec 2004 01:10:17 PM |
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"Mindless Drooling Libruls" <LibFools@DemWhackjobs.com> wrote in
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Of course as a religious right I imagine that is what you would
believe. Personally, I think Jesus if he did exist would have been
more concerned about a persons deeds rather than their rhetoric. This
means an athiest who does kind acts like a good Samaritan would be
more highly though of that alot of born again Christian who like
pharisees in the bible, are a bunch of phony hypocrates.
I don't think Jesus would be proud of associating with someone who
describes himself as the "War President" do you.
Helloooooo!!!!
We didn't start the war.... the 'rabs did.
Correction, extreamists (of the terrorist type) started it, blaming the "
'rabs" is like blaming all of any ethnic group for this or that, which never
holds true.
And it will never end. Get your kids ready, as the islamists
Correction terrorists... are doing it already with their kids.
are doing it already with their kids.
The War president did start an unneccessary war in Iraq over a lie,
Wrongo, Saddam's government supported terrorists
WMD that did not exist.
Cough, they are most likely in Syria, point being, not found does NOT =
doesn't exist.
Regardless, the topic here is what would
Jesus say about this.
Read Revelation, it describes Jesus as a Warrior, it also declares humans as
angels (Rev.22:8-9)
My impression is that he would be against all
war and hold the view that loving your enemy is what will eventually
stop them from attacking you. Tell me what do you think Jesus would
have done if he was president?
Read the WHOLE New Testiment, it will open your eyes !
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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05 Dec 2004 12:44:48 PM |
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Matt.21:28-31
"ausstu" <ausstu@primus.com.au> wrote in message
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"Mindless Drooling Libruls" <LibFools@DemWhackjobs.com> wrote in message
Attempt to dodge the question duly noted.
The responsibility to be true to His teachings are for everyone, since
His
truth is universal. And I suspect Jesus is FAR happier with the
religious
right than He is with the Atheist Left.
Of course as a religious right I imagine that is what you would
believe. Personally, I think Jesus if he did exist would have been
more concerned about a persons deeds rather than their rhetoric. This
means an athiest who does kind acts like a good Samaritan would be
more highly though of that alot of born again Christian who like
pharisees in the bible, are a bunch of phony hypocrates.
I don't think Jesus would be proud of associating with someone who
describes himself as the "War President" do you.
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| User: "Dave Thompson" |
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29 Nov 2004 05:16:09 PM |
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"Mindless Drooling Libruls" <LibFools@DemWhackjobs.com> wrote in message
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"Dave Thompson" <DaTh@kissmybigfatwhitehairyass.com> wrote in message
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I don't normally agree with you, but I do in a sense. The religious
right really describes a socio-political group that uses a bastardized
version of Christianity to control their members and rally them behind
whatever political cause they have taken up. Just as we should be
specific about what Christian sect we are talking about, we should also
be specific about if their goal is religious or political in nature.
I'm not a Christian but I've always felt that Jesus would not be very
happy with the religious right.
Do you feel Jesus would be very happy with the Atheist Left?
What does it matter? They don't believe in him. The responsibility of
being true to his teachings are for the believers, not the unbelievers.
Attempt to dodge the question duly noted.
Your inability to comprehend anything more complicated than a yes or no
question is duly noted. The question was answered but you are too ignorant
to understand.
Let's try again.
Unbelievers do not believe in the divinity of Jesus in varying degrees.
Because of them it does not matter to them what your invisible friend
thinks. It's like walking by a street preacher calling me a sinner. Since I
don't believe in the concept of sin it doesn't matter to me what he thinks.
But if you want to judge atheists as a whole against the teachings of Jesus
I think they compare much more favorably than the religious right.
Get it?
The responsibility to be true to His teachings are for everyone, since His
truth is universal.
Proof besides your baseless assertion?
The Bible doesn't count.
And I suspect Jesus is FAR happier with the religious
right than He is with the Atheist Left.
I rather doubt it. If Jesus is a reasonable man I'm sure that he would say
that a non religious man who led a good life is much more likely to get to
heaven than a pious hate filled bigot who went to church every day. Non
believers have common sense and fairness to tell them what is right and
wrong while some religious types rationalize their behavior through
religion.
If not, and your god is just as judgmental, temperamental, abusive, and
inconsistent as you are, and would condemn good people to hell simply
because they didn't believe in him or weren't on the right side of the
political fence and would embrace ignorant zealous hate driven bigots merely
because they went to church and prayed to him, now you know why I am an
unbeliever.
But I have more Christian friends that are good people than not. It's just
that you are a poor representative of your religion.
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28 Nov 2004 11:30:56 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message news:<1101630910.JKMuXPvXB1uZZJ7LGYxM6g@teranews>...
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"user123" <somewhere@overthe.rainbow> wrote in message
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FALSE ATTRIBUTION
The survey says nothing about the "religious right" driving people away
from religion.
How did you come up with the "religious right" being at fault for the
decline in religious participation?
I went to the website you linked to, and there isn't a damn thing in
that article that puts the blame to the "religious right".
There was a survey a while ago that the religious right was the most
disliked and distrusted group in the United States. Why would anyone be
encouraged to accept their strict religious beliefs if they hated them
this
much.
If you want the survey itself, try googling a few keywords.
The religious right is not "strict" at all, in a religious sense, for
they are very much salad-bar Christians. These Christians try to be both
Jew AND Christian, taking cripture from either OT or NT to justify
themselves. They already adopted Judaic beliefs regarding divorce a well as
Judaic beliefs, that the commandments of YHWH are optional. I.e. the 10
commandments forbid coveting what is thy neighbor's as well as killing,
(cut) Remember, they weren't originally written in English, but in Hebrew.
A better translation might be "You shall not commit murder".- A. McIntire
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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03 Dec 2004 03:11:05 PM |
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"Alan McIntire" <alanmc95210@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f8a02e9a.0411280930.9a30c08@posting.google.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"Dave Thompson" <DaTh@kissmybigfatwhitehairyass.com> wrote in message
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"user123" <somewhere@overthe.rainbow> wrote in message
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FALSE ATTRIBUTION
The survey says nothing about the "religious right" driving people
away
from religion.
How did you come up with the "religious right" being at fault for
the
decline in religious participation?
I went to the website you linked to, and there isn't a damn thing in
that article that puts the blame to the "religious right".
There was a survey a while ago that the religious right was the most
disliked and distrusted group in the United States. Why would anyone
be
encouraged to accept their strict religious beliefs if they hated them
this
much.
If you want the survey itself, try googling a few keywords.
The religious right is not "strict" at all, in a religious sense,
for
they are very much salad-bar Christians. These Christians try to be
both
Jew AND Christian, taking cripture from either OT or NT to justify
themselves. They already adopted Judaic beliefs regarding divorce a well
as
Judaic beliefs, that the commandments of YHWH are optional. I.e. the 10
commandments forbid coveting what is thy neighbor's as well as killing,
(cut) Remember, they weren't originally written in English, but in
Hebrew.
A better translation might be "You shall not commit murder".- A. McIntire
Are you saying "killing all that breatheth", including babies, is not
"murder"? Check below and give us a justification why YHWH should disregard
infractions against His 10 commandment prohibition of coveting and killing,
and Jesus should give dispensation to those who commit "offences" (Jesus in
Mt:18:7) and disregard His commandments to love and care.
Pastor Frank
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as God, the God
of Israel, commanded."
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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03 Dec 2004 08:13:50 PM |
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God made the rules, obeying God, the lawmaker, wasn't murder
Murder=an illegal killing of another human being
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"Alan McIntire" <alanmc95210@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"Dave Thompson" <DaTh@kissmybigfatwhitehairyass.com> wrote in message
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"user123" <somewhere@overthe.rainbow> wrote in message
news:R%9od.40$s%6.14@newsfe11.lga.highwinds-media.com...
FALSE ATTRIBUTION
The survey says nothing about the "religious right" driving people
away
from religion.
How did you come up with the "religious right" being at fault for
the
decline in religious participation?
I went to the website you linked to, and there isn't a damn thing
in
that article that puts the blame to the "religious right".
There was a survey a while ago that the religious right was the most
disliked and distrusted group in the United States. Why would anyone
be
encouraged to accept their strict religious beliefs if they hated
them
this
much.
If you want the survey itself, try googling a few keywords.
The religious right is not "strict" at all, in a religious sense,
for
they are very much salad-bar Christians. These Christians try to be
both
Jew AND Christian, taking cripture from either OT or NT to justify
themselves. They already adopted Judaic beliefs regarding divorce a
well
as
Judaic beliefs, that the commandments of YHWH are optional. I.e. the 10
commandments forbid coveting what is thy neighbor's as well as killing,
(cut) Remember, they weren't originally written in English, but in
Hebrew.
A better translation might be "You shall not commit murder".- A. McIntire
Are you saying "killing all that breatheth", including babies, is not
"murder"? Check below and give us a justification why YHWH should
disregard
infractions against His 10 commandment prohibition of coveting and
killing,
and Jesus should give dispensation to those who commit "offences" (Jesus
in
Mt:18:7) and disregard His commandments to love and care.
Pastor Frank
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the
Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains
with
your flowing blood..."
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as God, the
God
of Israel, commanded."
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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29 Nov 2004 06:28:25 AM |
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"Alan McIntire" <alanmc95210@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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FALSE ATTRIBUTION
The survey says nothing about the "religious right" driving people
away
from religion.
How did you come up with the "religious right" being at fault for
the
decline in religious participation?
I went to the website you linked to, and there isn't a damn thing in
that article that puts the blame to the "religious right".
There was a survey a while ago that the religious right was the most
disliked and distrusted group in the United States. Why would anyone
be
encouraged to accept their strict religious beliefs if they hated them
this
much.
If you want the survey itself, try googling a few keywords.
The religious right is not "strict" at all, in a religious sense,
for
they are very much salad-bar Christians. These Christians try to be
both
Jew AND Christian, taking cripture from either OT or NT to justify
themselves. They already adopted Judaic beliefs regarding divorce a well
as
Judaic beliefs, that the commandments of YHWH are optional. I.e. the 10
commandments forbid coveting what is thy neighbor's as well as killing,
(cut) Remember, they weren't originally written in English, but in
Hebrew.
A better translation might be "You shall not commit murder".- A. McIntire
Are you saying, that killing innocents, women and children, to "possess
the land" and "reap where you have not sown" is NOT murder? Read the below
and tell us it's not the devil commanding the perpetrators.
Pastor Frank
For God to kill via a great flood etc. is one thing, and that's why we
call such events "Acts of God". It's quite another to command some of
His children to kill their Semitic brothers and sisters and their children
and life stock, in fact "all that breatheth". Here God is supposed to have
ordered fratricide and that can only be an order from Satan. Let no one
think, that the Bible as well as the church and temple are free from Satan
and his minions, for the adversary has access to all media, even our hearts
and minds, right up to the very throne of God Himself (Rv:12:10).
All we have to go on are the inerrant words of Christ, our God incarnate
and His commandments, all of which command us to love. Nowhere does
Christ endorse killing anyone for any reason. We even are commanded to
love our enemies, for God is our Father which is in Heaven, our Abba, Daddy,
who wishes that no harm should come to any of His children and that all
should come to repentance and be saved (2Pt:3:9). We are all warned, that we
WILL be judged and treated as we judge and treat others.
Had the Jews faith in their Theology, they would have converted the
natives of Israel, and there would have been no Islam today. Instead, Jews
went to "kill all that breatheth" in the entire country, keeping alive only
little girls to "do with as you please" (Moses in Numbers 31:17-18).
See below the "abomination of desolation" at work and what the ultimate
consequence as per Biblical prophesy will be.
CAUSE OF THE APOCALYPSE: Being proud instead of repentant of the
horrific holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land",
as well as the continuing colonial brutality against Palestinian natives.
The below atrocities were committed shortly after the God of the Jews,
YHWH, gave them the 10 commandments, forbidding Jews to covet their
neighbour's property and kill them to get a hold of it.
Jews and some Christians want us to believe, that YHWH, though "the same
yesterday, today and tomorrow" decided to change His mind and command both
coveting and fratricide. Jews were to kill their Semitic brothers, sisters
and their children and life-stock, in fact they were to "kill all that
breatheth" in the entire country, in order for them to "occupy the land" and
"reap where they have not sown". This resulted in the below horrific
obscenity, a genocidal holocaust of gigantic proportions.
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Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as God, the God
of Israel, commanded."
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
PROPHETIC APOCALYPSE, (The N-U-C-L-E-A-R consequence of the abomination
above and others like it, employing great noise and heat that can melt
elements, scorch people and destroy the "works of man" on a massive scale)
2Pt:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements
shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
shall be burned up.
2Pt:3:12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall
melt with fervent heat?
Jesus in Matt. 24:16: Then let them which be in Judea flee into the
mountains:
17: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out
of his house:
18: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his
clothes.
19: And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in
those days!
20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the
sabbath day:
21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the
beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22: And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be
saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Jesus in Lk:23:30: Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall
on us; and to the hills, Cover us.
Rev 6: 15-17 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the
rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among
the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks,
"Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from
the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who
can stand?"
Rv:16:9: And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name
of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give
him glory.
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| User: "Alan McIntire" |
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| Title: Re: Religous Right may be Driving People away from Religion |
29 Nov 2004 01:36:38 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message news:<1101739190.Q3njCcSiGq7A0Kaw6Ahd7g@teranews>...
"Alan McIntire" <alanmc95210@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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FALSE ATTRIBUTION
The survey says nothing about the "religious right" driving people
away
from religion.
How did you come up with the "religious right" being at fault for
the
decline in religious participation?
I went to the website you linked to, and there isn't a damn thing in
that article that puts the blame to the "religious right".
There was a survey a while ago that the religious right was the most
disliked and distrusted group in the United States. Why would anyone
be
encouraged to accept their strict religious beliefs if they hated them
this
much.
If you want the survey itself, try googling a few keywords.
The religious right is not "strict" at all, in a religious sense,
for
they are very much salad-bar Christians. These Christians try to be
both
Jew AND Christian, taking cripture from either OT or NT to justify
themselves. They already adopted Judaic beliefs regarding divorce a well
as
Judaic beliefs, that the commandments of YHWH are optional. I.e. the 10
commandments forbid coveting what is thy neighbor's as well as killing,
(cut) Remember, they weren't originally written in English, but in
Hebrew.
A better translation might be "You shall not commit murder".- A. McIntire
Are you saying, that killing innocents, women and children, to "possess
the land" and "reap where you have not sown" is NOT murder? Read the below
and tell us it's not the devil commanding the perpetrators.
Pastor Frank
(cut)
So you concede that the Muslim terrorists, who we are trying to
eliminate, are murderers.- A. McIntire
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| User: "bob young" |
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29 Nov 2004 12:15:12 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Dave Thompson" <DaTh@kissmybigfatwhitehairyass.com> wrote in message
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"user123" <somewhere@overthe.rainbow> wrote in message
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FALSE ATTRIBUTION
The survey says nothing about the "religious right" driving people away
from religion.
How did you come up with the "religious right" being at fault for the
decline in religious participation?
I went to the website you linked to, and there isn't a damn thing in
that article that puts the blame to the "religious right".
There was a survey a while ago that the religious right was the most
disliked and distruste"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest
each other. They slander each other constantly with the vilest forms of
abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in their teachings. Each sect
brands its own, fills the head of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes
perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its side."
[R.J.Hoffmann]
d group in the United States. Why would anyone be
encouraged to accept their strict religious beliefs if they hated them
this
much.
If you want the survey itself, try googling a few keywords.
The religious right is not "strict" at all, in a religious sense, for
they are very much salad-bar Christians. These Christians try to be both
Jew AND Christian, taking cripture from either OT or NT to justify
themselves. They already adopted Judaic beliefs regarding divorce a well as
Judaic beliefs, that the commandments of YHWH are optional. I.e. the 10
commandments forbid coveting what is thy neighbor's as well as killing, yet
both Jews and Americans justify, if not are proud of, the near total
extermination of their native populations, believing themselves justified in
the eyes of their God. This amounts to the religious right ignoring the
commandments of Christ which specify we are to love and care for, and about
our enemies, and do no harm to anyone, and that we will be judged and
treated as we judge and treat others. See below
Yup - that's the price one pays for getting involved with established
superstitions.
Nothing right can come out of it, being exactly as one would expect from a
superstition.
Bob
humanist Brit.
Hong Kong
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander
each other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any
sort of agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head
of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it
wins over to its side."
[R.J.Hoffmann]
Pastor Frank
JUDGMENT
Jesus in Mt:18:7: Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must
needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence
cometh!
Jesus in Mt:7:2: For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Jesus in Mt:23:12: And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased;
and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Rv:13:10: He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he
that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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03 Dec 2004 05:43:37 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Dave Thompson" <DaTh@kissmybigfatwhitehairyass.com> wrote in message
news:10q2bncpk85s46a@corp.supernews.com...
"user123" <somewhere@overthe.rainbow> wrote in message
news:R%9od.40$s%6.14@newsfe11.lga.highwinds-media.com...
FALSE ATTRIBUTION
The survey says nothing about the "religious right" driving people
away
from religion.
How did you come up with the "religious right" being at fault for
the
decline in religious participation?
I went to the website you linked to, and there isn't a damn thing in
that article that puts the blame to the "religious right".
There was a survey a while ago that the religious right was the most
disliked and distruste"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly
detest
each other. They slander each other constantly with the vilest forms of
abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in their teachings. Each
sect
brands its own, fills the head of its own with deceitful nonsense, and
makes
perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its side."
[R.J.Hoffmann]
d group in the United States. Why would anyone be
encouraged to accept their strict religious beliefs if they hated them
this
much.
If you want the survey itself, try googling a few keywords.
The religious right is not "strict" at all, in a religious sense,
for
they are very much salad-bar Christians. These Christians try to be
both
Jew AND Christian, taking cripture from either OT or NT to justify
themselves. They already adopted Judaic beliefs regarding divorce a well
as
Judaic beliefs, that the commandments of YHWH are optional. I.e. the 10
commandments forbid coveting what is thy neighbor's as well as killing,
yet
both Jews and Americans justify, if not are proud of, the near total
extermination of their native populations, believing themselves
justified in
the eyes of their God. This amounts to the religious right ignoring the
commandments of Christ which specify we are to love and care for, and
about
our enemies, and do no harm to anyone, and that we will be judged and
treated as we judge and treat others. See below
Yup - that's the price one pays for getting involved with established
superstitions.
Nothing right can come out of it, being exactly as one would expect from a
superstition.
Bob
humanist Brit.
Hong Kong
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They
slander
each other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to
any
sort of agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the
head
of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those
it
wins over to its side."
[R.J.Hoffmann]
That's atheism again Bob. Please post atheism to atheist NGs like we
post Christ to Christian NGs. Stop trolling our pristine Christian NGs for
"heated answers" already!!!!!
Pastor Frank
troll (trol) verb
To post a message in a newsgroup or other online conference in the hopes
that somebody else will consider the original message so outrageous that it
demands a heated reply. A classic example of a troll is to post an article
in favor of torturing cats in a pet lovers' newsgroup.
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