"Angel - Inner Quest" <luz@nerdshack.com>
Re: Resurrection is Reincarnation

Reincarnation verses in the Bible

If you will train your Bible Search to "resurrection", you will find
15 references in the Gospels and 25 in the Epistles. What is
resurrection "of the body" if not reincarnation, the modern term in
use today in place of this very important but not properly understood
teaching? And how many references are there in the Bible telling us
that Jesus will come again?

But there are other more elucidating passages in the very words of
Jesus, himself:

Matthew
11:13
For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

11:14
And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

Matthew
17:10
And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that
Elias must first come?

17:11
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come,
and restore all things.

17:12
But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not,
but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the
Son of man suffer of them.

17:13
Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the
Baptist.

Matthew
16:13
When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his
disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

16:14
And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias;
and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

John
9:1
And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.

9:2
And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or
his parents, that he was born blind?

9:3
Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but
that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

These are the actual passages where Jesus teaches the Doctrine of
Reincarnation:

In Matthew 11 and 17, Jesus tells his disciples very clearly that
Elias reincarnated as John the Baptist.

In Matthew 16, if reincarnation is not true, do you think that Jesus
would remain silent and allow the disciples to believe in it? Don't
you think that he would have rebuked them for believing a false
doctrine?

In Matthew 9, Jesus is conspicuously silent after the disciples
referred to reincarnation (the past life and sins) of the man born
blind? Isn't this, at least, a very suspicious circumstance that
merits your further thought?

And when they questioned John the Baptist:

John 1
1:19
And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites
from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?

1:20
And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.

1:21
And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not.
Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.

Why would the priests and Levites ask John if he is Elias or that
prophet come again, unless reincarnation was an accepted truth at the
time?

Aren't these enough proofs for you? How do you view these information?
How do you understand the passages, above? Everyone should realize
just how the Nicene Creed, which is the basis of present-day Christian
teachings and beliefs, has actually and in fact, replaced the True
Teachings with elaborate falsehoods. Of course, everyone is entitled
to his own beliefs. But everyone must learn to analyze and think for
himself.

Hello,

No, those passages have nothing to do with reincarnation. Is the
concept of reincarnation in harmony with the teachings in the Bible?
No it is not.

First of all, the Bible does not teach that we have a "soul" which is
immortal and which can leave the body at death. Notice what the Bible
says a soul is. Ge 2:7,

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
(KJV)

Does it say that the man was 'given' a soul? No, it says he "became" a
soul. Thus a soul is the whole person, his flesh, and his mind, all of
him (or her). If a soul is a person, then that means a soul is not
immortal, and thus when a person dies, a soul dies. Thus there is
nothing to come back in a rebirth. Eze 18:4 confirms that a soul can
die.

"Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the
soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die." (KJV)

Also the Bible very plainly tells us that the dead are unconscience,
oblivious of anything. Notice Ec 9:5,

"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is
forgotten." (NIV)

Also Ps 146:3,4,

"3 Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no
salvation. 4 His spirit departs, he returns to the earth; In that very
day his thoughts perish." (NASB)

The Bible says that the dead are not recycled, but both the righteous
and the unrighteous are awaiting a resurrection. (see below)

Also, the reincarnation belief has some problems with it. If a person
is continually reborn in order to improve themselves, would it not be
advantageous

"Angel - Inner Quest" <l...@nerdshack.com>
Re:ResurrectionisReincarnation

Reincarnationverses in the Bible

If you will train your Bible Search to "resurrection", you will find
15 references in the Gospels and 25 in the Epistles. What is
resurrection"of the body" if notreincarnation, the modern term in
use today in place of this very important but not properly understood
teaching? And how many references are there in the Bible telling us
that Jesus will come again?

But there are other more elucidating passages in the very words of
Jesus, himself:

Matthew
11:13
For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

11:14
And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

Matthew
17:10
And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that
Elias must first come?

17:11
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come,
and restore all things.

17:12
But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not,
but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the
Son of man suffer of them.

17:13
Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the
Baptist.

Matthew
16:13
When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his
disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

16:14
And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias;
and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

John
9:1
And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.

9:2
And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or
his parents, that he was born blind?

9:3
Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but
that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

These are the actual passages where Jesus teaches the Doctrine of
Reincarnation:

In Matthew 11 and 17, Jesus tells his disciples very clearly that
Elias reincarnated as John the Baptist.

In Matthew 16, ifreincarnationis not true, do you think that Jesus
would remain silent and allow the disciples to believe in it? Don't
you think that he would have rebuked them for believing a false
doctrine?

In Matthew 9, Jesus is conspicuously silent after the disciples
referred toreincarnation(the past life and sins) of the man born
blind? Isn't this, at least, a very suspicious circumstance that
merits your further thought?

And when they questioned John the Baptist:

John 1
1:19
And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites
from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?

1:20
And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.

1:21
And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not.
Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.

Why would the priests and Levites ask John if he is Elias or that
prophet come again, unlessreincarnationwas an accepted truth at the
time?

Aren't these enough proofs for you? How do you view these information?
How do you understand the passages, above? Everyone should realize
just how the Nicene Creed, which is the basis of present-day Christian
teachings and beliefs, has actually and in fact, replaced the True
Teachings with elaborate falsehoods. Of course, everyone is entitled
to his own beliefs. But everyone must learn to analyze and think for
himself.

Hello,

No, those passages have nothing to do withreincarnation. Is the
concept ofreincarnationin harmony with the teachings in the Bible?
No it is not.

First of all, the Bible does not teach that we have a "soul" which is
immortal and which can leave the body at death. Notice what the Bible
says a soul is. Ge 2:7,

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
(KJV)

Does it say that the man was 'given' a soul? No, it says he "became" a
soul. Thus a soul is the whole person, his flesh, and his mind, all of
him (or her). If a soul is a person, then that means a soul is not
immortal, and thus when a person dies, a soul dies. Thus there is
nothing to come back in a rebirth. Eze 18:4 confirms that a soul can
die.

"Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the
soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die." (KJV)

Also the Bible very plainly tells us that the dead are unconscience,
oblivious of anything. Notice Ec 9:5,

"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is
forgotten." (NIV)

Also Ps 146:3,4,

"3 Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no
salvation. 4 His spirit departs, he returns to the earth; In that very
day his thoughts perish." (NASB)

The Bible says that the dead are not recycled, but both the righteous
and the unrighteous are awaiting aresurrection. (see below)

Also, thereincarnationbelief has some problems with it. If a person
is continually reborn in order to improve themselves, would it not be
advantageous to remember all the details of the previous lives in
order to be able to correct them and not commit the same mistakes over
and over?

True, a few claim to remember past lives, but it is usually just
partial memories, not all of them. And the VAST MAJORITY of people
have NO recollection of any alleged past mistakes made at all! Thus
they would continually make them.

Also, the rebirths are not limited to humans. Throughout the world,
such as in Africa, Asia, North and South America, islands of the
Pacific, and Europe, people believe that human souls migrate into
sharks, alligators, tigers, bear cats, weasels, mice, and even insects
such as wasps and dung beetles.

Neither isreincarnationlimited to animal forms. Barren women in
Africa and India invoke trees believed to be inhabited by souls of the
dead. Similar customs also existed in ancient Europe.

Since the soul dies, what hope is there for the dead? Rather than
leaving sinful humans to work out their own destiny by undergoing
countless rebirths, filled with suffering and pain, the Bible answers:
"There is going to be aresurrectionof both the righteous and the
unrighteous." (Ac 24:15)

In his infinite wisdom and love, the Creator remembers the life
pattern of dead ones. He does not do this as a basis to judge and
punish them, as the law of karma says. Rather, He does so in order to
resurrect people, bringing them back from the dead with the same
personalities and characteristics that they had before they died.

Those who are resurrected to life on earth will then be judged on the
basis of their life course AFTER theirresurrection. (see Ro 6:7,23)
Then, as humans, they will have the prospect of life again-in a
restored earthly paradise, concerning which the Bible assures us:

"Death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be
anymore. The former things have passed away." (Re 21:4.)

Sincerely, James

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Additional information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_and_reincarnation#Matthew_5:%2025....

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
(KJV)
Does it say that the man was 'given' a soul?