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"James" |
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25 Dec 2007 11:39:13 AM |
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Re: Satan...what a concept |
Jani <Jani@dsl.pipex.com>
Re: Satan...what a concept
<hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu> wrote in message
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Jani <Jani@dsl.pipex.com> writes
The salient characteristic of the serpent in Genesis is subtlety and
craftiness, not outright evil. I suppose you could make a case that God
put
You don't think trying to make Adam and Eve commit the first sin is
evil?
No, I don't. It was a test. How could they have made a right choice without
being offered a wrong one?
The serpent clearly knew what God had commanded, and attempts to
twist things so that Eve violates the commandment.
It's not that much of a twist, really. He says they'll know good and evil,
and be "as gods" in that respect, and they won't die from touching the tree,
all of which turned out to be true.
Jani
Jani,
There is also another explanation on what it means to be "as gods" and
to know good and evil. Knowing good from bad was clearly not the
problem here, since Eve quoted the command by God not to touch that
tree, and if she did, the consequences that would follow. (Ge 3:2,3)
So then in what way did Adam and Eve come to know good and evil after
they ate the forbidden fruit? In what way does God know good and evil?
God decides for Himself what is good and is evil. He defines the
parameters. So when Adam and Eve disobeyed God's clear prohibition
command, they were telling God that they would decide for themselves
what was really right and what was really wrong for them, thus they
became "as gods" in knowing good and evil.
Sincerely, James
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: Satan...what a concept |
25 Dec 2007 11:54:06 AM |
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"James" <bireda@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:13f2n3ho1f9d52ndv3c4t7jmt39u08576l@4ax.com...
Jani <Jani@dsl.pipex.com>
Re: Satan...what a concept
<hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu> wrote in message
news:XN7%i.9302$cD.8571@trndny08...
Jani <Jani@dsl.pipex.com> writes
The salient characteristic of the serpent in Genesis is subtlety and
craftiness, not outright evil. I suppose you could make a case that God
put
You don't think trying to make Adam and Eve commit the first sin is
evil?
No, I don't. It was a test. How could they have made a right choice
without
being offered a wrong one?
The serpent clearly knew what God had commanded, and attempts to
twist things so that Eve violates the commandment.
It's not that much of a twist, really. He says they'll know good and evil,
and be "as gods" in that respect, and they won't die from touching the
tree,
all of which turned out to be true.
Jani
Jani,
There is also another explanation on what it means to be "as gods" and
to know good and evil. Knowing good from bad was clearly not the
problem here, since Eve quoted the command by God not to touch that
tree, and if she did, the consequences that would follow. (Ge 3:2,3)
So then in what way did Adam and Eve come to know good and evil after
they ate the forbidden fruit? In what way does God know good and evil?
God decides for Himself what is good and is evil. He defines the
parameters. So when Adam and Eve disobeyed God's clear prohibition
command, they were telling God that they would decide for themselves
what was really right and what was really wrong for them, thus they
became "as gods" in knowing good and evil.
BIG FUCKING DEAL, if the PILE OF CRAP christian god didn't want adam and eve
eating fruit from his almighty motherfucking precious tree, then why did the
DUMBSHIT christian god put it within their reach to begin with.?
DEATH TO THE MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING COLD-HEARTED PILE OF GARBAGE
christian god
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Satan...what a concept |
25 Dec 2007 12:53:22 PM |
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On Dec 25, 12:54=A0pm, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com>
wrote:
"James" <bir...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:13f2n3ho1f9d52ndv3c4t7jmt39u08576l@4ax.com...
Jani <J...@dsl.pipex.com>
Re: Satan...what a concept
<hedr...@geneva.rutgers.edu> wrote in message
news:XN7%i.9302$cD.8571@trndny08...
Jani <J...@dsl.pipex.com> writes
The salient characteristic of the serpent in Genesis is subtlety and
craftiness, not outright evil. I suppose you could make a case that Go=
d
put
You don't think trying to make Adam and Eve commit the first sin is
evil?
No, I don't. It was a test. How could they have made a right choice
without
being offered a wrong one?
The serpent clearly knew what God had commanded, and attempts to
twist things so that Eve violates the commandment.
It's not that much of a twist, really. He says they'll know good and evi=
l,
and be "as gods" in that respect, and they won't die from touching the
tree,
all of which turned out to be true.
Jani
Jani,
There is also another explanation on what it means to be "as gods" and
to know good and evil. Knowing good from bad was clearly not the
problem here, since Eve quoted the command by God not to touch that
tree, and if she did, the consequences that would follow. (Ge 3:2,3)
So then in what way did Adam and Eve come to know good and evil after
they ate the forbidden fruit? In what way does God know good and evil?
God decides for Himself what is good and is evil. He defines the
parameters. So when Adam and Eve disobeyed God's clear prohibition
command, they were telling God that they would decide for themselves
what was really right and what was really wrong for them, thus they
became "as gods" in knowing good and evil.
BIG FUCKING DEAL, if the PILE OF CRAP christian god didn't want adam and e=
ve
eating fruit from his almighty motherfucking precious tree, then why did t=
he
DUMBSHIT christian god put it within their reach to begin with.?
DEATH TO THE MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING COLD-HEARTED PILE OF GARBAGE
christian god- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Do you think God would ever be threatened by the eating of fruit? Are
you so naive as to think that the fruit itself was such a big deal?
It is the obedience, and the trial thereof which are important. You
cannot see whether a man will obey you unless he is able to disobey
you.
There you go,
NN
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| User: "Feng" |
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| Title: Re: Satan...what a concept |
26 Dec 2007 12:58:14 AM |
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On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:53:22 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
Do you think God would ever be threatened by the eating of fruit? Are
you so naive as to think that the fruit itself was such a big deal?
It is the obedience, and the trial thereof which are important. You
cannot see whether a man will obey you unless he is able to disobey
you.
There you go,
NN
Has it ever occur to you that God is not an insecure control freak
desperately demanding people's obedience?
Did Jesus ever ask for obedience? No. He only asked for faith. Do you
know the difference between obedience and faith?
Obedience results mindless salves. Faith results loyal soldiers.
See the difference?
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| User: "Feng" |
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| Title: Re: Satan...what a concept |
26 Dec 2007 12:38:09 AM |
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On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:39:13 -0500, James <bireda@peoplepc.com> wrote:
Jani <Jani@dsl.pipex.com>
Re: Satan...what a concept
<hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu> wrote in message
news:XN7%i.9302$cD.8571@trndny08...
Jani <Jani@dsl.pipex.com> writes
The salient characteristic of the serpent in Genesis is subtlety and
craftiness, not outright evil. I suppose you could make a case that God
put
You don't think trying to make Adam and Eve commit the first sin is
evil?
No, I don't. It was a test. How could they have made a right choice without
being offered a wrong one?
The serpent clearly knew what God had commanded, and attempts to
twist things so that Eve violates the commandment.
It's not that much of a twist, really. He says they'll know good and evil,
and be "as gods" in that respect, and they won't die from touching the tree,
all of which turned out to be true.
Jani
Jani,
There is also another explanation on what it means to be "as gods" and
to know good and evil. Knowing good from bad was clearly not the
problem here, since Eve quoted the command by God not to touch that
tree, and if she did, the consequences that would follow. (Ge 3:2,3)
So then in what way did Adam and Eve come to know good and evil after
they ate the forbidden fruit? In what way does God know good and evil?
God decides for Himself what is good and is evil. He defines the
parameters. So when Adam and Eve disobeyed God's clear prohibition
command, they were telling God that they would decide for themselves
what was really right and what was really wrong for them, thus they
became "as gods" in knowing good and evil.
Adam and Eve were children of God. They were gods. By knowing good and
evil to become "as gods", they actually caused themselves to become
less than what they were, thereby became imperfect and vulnerable to
sin.
Disobeying God was not a sin until they attempted to run away from the
consequences of their action. Had they been wise enough to take their
responsibility, no sin would have been found.
Sincerely, James
**If you wish to have a discussion with me, please use email since I
do not follow ng threads
***********************************
Want a Free home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
http://www.watchtower.org
***********************************
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