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"Raymond" <rwknapp[-no-scam]@hotmail.com> Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:33:51 +0800
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Excuse me Midwinter, shan't be but a moment, really.
"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote in message
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David Vestal <someoggetridofthis@mailcity.com> wrote :
Tithes are one subject on which the Bible is fairly clear. They do=
n't
apply. Not that the Bible does either.
Agreed. Voluntary donations to support your church are one thing.
Tithing
as an obligation is nonsense. Any Christian with any sense of honest=
y
would be forced to admit that Jesus does not ask his followers to pay=
for
salvation. That is the idea of humans trying, as always, to make a
quick
buck out of religion.
How much would you see that a person that has a family and enjoys the
church
services, and attends the meetings, should pay to support their church?=
None, if their god can't support it, why should anyone else. In the state=
s
they are tax
exepmt businesses, in Europe, they are frequently ssupported by deduction=
s
collected from
the wages by the Govt. [Germany still does this last I heard], in
Scandinavia, ther is still
the quaint custom of you being a member of the church, whether you want t=
o
be or not, &
being obliged to support the church. I have been given to understand that=
hold is being broken
& people can officially quit the church [Lutheren & Catholic] if they wan=
t &
no longer be
forced to **donate** money for the upkeep of the church.
You need to fix your news reader, it isn't marking quotes correctly, like m=
ine above.
Tax exempt only works if there is money that comes in to exempt, I was no=
t
& your gods can't provide this because??
They aren't licensed to run a business, or some other secular reason maybe?=
asking for non-members to give a dime or a penny, only them that go to
church and want a church, and enjoy what a church has for them. A tithe=
Then you are saying, that those that attend a church [around here 58+ seems=
to be
then regualr membership] need to find the extra money to **give** to the ch=
urch,
never mind their gods aren't providing them with extra money to give. Never=
mind
that they really can't afford 1-5 dollars a week. Never mind that the cold =
season is
arriving. Never mind that a building is nothing & people can worship whever=
they want
to [proividing they follow a few basic rules that apply to everyuone else].=
IOW, never
mind, just sit down, shut up & pay. That is sick, & not even biblical. Tith=
ing there
was usually in produce or kind, & not even non-stop. Now sacrifices, you ha=
ve
something there, but xianity elects not to follow those commandments. Did y=
ou give
your first born to your gods, you are supposed to, your grimorie has those =
instructions.
Only there the child is called first fruits.
does give a foundation, to start from. I can not speak for governments t=
hat
support the church in their land. Except the ministry of the Church would=
be
less costly as a lot is done free, then paying wages to others to give th=
e
same service such as Weddings, meeting places, social services, visiting =
the
In the early US, weddings were civil affairs, & the church butted in accord=
ing to Paul
Harvey [A US commentator who is not a quotable source as factual, he never =
divulges his sources].
sick, helping in the old age homes, and feeding the hungry, raising suppo=
rt
& this has to do with tithing in what manner. Around herre churches have lo=
st their
503c charter & status because they were not doing charitable works.
for food and clothing for the poor and needy, things a church does, for n=
ear
Where is this church to be found,I know a few people that need more help th=
an I can
provide. I could use the relief.
nothing. Some one in the USA put price on what it would cost the
government to do all the services the Church does, running schools,
colleges, homes for then needy, hospitals etc, and all the other services=
& Prince Charles moved to revoke the tax exempt status of churches for they=
are
not running charitable business, but business for profit. Those services ar=
e available
in the US cheaper [on the average] from the govt., & it will take everythin=
g you have in compensation.
given free to the people by the church and their wish to so, voluntary. =
The
cost was many times more then any money the government would get if it to=
ok
away the tax exemption, etc. Then My question was to a believer who doe=
s
go to Church and does use the Church for their personal needs such as
weddings, and death, youth meetings, and other things.
Weddings don't require churches, death, well Thanatos doesn't care where he=
collects you. The Hell Hounds don't either. Youth meetings, why not a paren=
t [of one ot
those youths] do it at home. But wait, that might not be convenient so pay =
a church a
rental fee for the room & don't worry about it. Pastor billy Bob will be gl=
ad to take care of the kids.
Not to mention most parents don't have a clue how to talk to their kids.
Thank you for your reply.
Beleive it or not, welcome you are.
Raymond
walksalne who has noted that it is well for ministers, preists, preachers &=
others that
sell the invisible to preach charity, their jobs depend on it, from either =
today or in the past.
.
