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Religions > Bible |
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"James" |
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19 Nov 2006 11:31:30 AM |
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Re: Simple Question (9) |
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net>
Re: Simple Question
In article <y_AZg.3646$4T6.1070@trnddc02>,
Gilbertus Albans <primemenstat@world.net> wrote:
How do you identify a false religion?
That would be the religion of anyone who doesn't agree with me. {;-)
Hello,
As to a more serious note, here was my response to the poster. See if
it makes any Scriptural sense to you:
"Many are easily identified by their "fruit"- by their conduct, etc.
Jesus explained it this way at Mt 7:15-20,
"15. "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's
clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
16. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes
from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17. Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears
bad fruit.
18. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear
good fruit.
19. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown
into the fire.
20. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them." (NIV)
For example, if a religion professes to be Christian, and yet supports
the wars of this world, they are directly going against Jesus' words
at Mt 5:44,
"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute
you," (NASB)
Instead of 'loving' their enemies, they try to spread out his guts on
a battlefield. (or worse) Their 'fruit' shows them to be just what
they are; a false religion.
Of course when one is in the true religion (like Jesus' disciples were
in the first century), it is easier to recognize false religions that
are much different than yours. (like the pagan religions around those
first century Christians)
At any rate, there are some things to look for than one would
logically expect of a true religion. For instance, if God wanted
everyone to follow Him, then He would make sure that everyone would
get the opportunity to hear about Him and learn about Him etc.
Interestingly, the Bible is in more languages and widely distributed
than any other religious book. As the World Book Encyclopedia puts it:
"The Bible is the most widely distributed book in history. It has also
been translated more times, and into more languages, than any other
book."
Sincerely, James
***********************************
Want a FREE home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
http://www.watchtower.org
***********************************"
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
06 Jan 2007 09:11:11 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Jim07D7 wrote:
rbwinn3@juno.com said:
Jim07D7 wrote:
rbwinn3@juno.com said:
Al Klein wrote:
<...>
Just like "you can tell" that Jesus actually lived 2,000 years ago.
Well, yes, Al, exactly. This should be a testimony to you of the power
of the Holy Ghost.
Robert B. Winn
Just as a 5-year old would speak of his parent's telling him about
Santa.
You need to run along. Find some other atheists to play with.
===>Why should he?
Are you not a good enough atheist?
Do you believe in the Greek and Roman and
Canaanite and Babylonian gods? -- L.
I believe that there are evil spirits who claim to be those gods.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
08 Jan 2007 04:53:04 AM |
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wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Jim07D7 wrote:
said:
Jim07D7 wrote:
said:
Al Klein wrote:
<...>
Just like "you can tell" that Jesus actually lived 2,000 years ago.
Well, yes, Al, exactly. This should be a testimony to you of the power
of the Holy Ghost.
Robert B. Winn
Just as a 5-year old would speak of his parent's telling him about
Santa.
You need to run along. Find some other atheists to play with.
===>Why should he?
Are you not a good enough atheist?
Do you believe in the Greek and Roman and
Canaanite and Babylonian gods? -- L.
I believe that there are evil spirits who claim to be those gods.
Robert B. Winn
[I'll amend that age guess and lower fifteen down to twelve, that should be
closer"]
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
08 Jan 2007 01:22:08 PM |
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On 8 Jan 2007 04:53:04 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:
I believe that there are evil spirits who claim to be those gods.
[I'll amend that age guess and lower fifteen down to twelve, that should be
closer"]
Most kids start giving up fairy tales by 8.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
08 Jan 2007 11:01:50 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 8 Jan 2007 04:53:04 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:
I believe that there are evil spirits who claim to be those gods.
[I'll amend that age guess and lower fifteen down to twelve, that should be
closer"]
Most kids start giving up fairy tales by 8.
There are also evil spirits like the one that possesses you that claim
to be people.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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09 Jan 2007 05:21:00 PM |
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On 8 Jan 2007 21:01:50 -0800, wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 8 Jan 2007 04:53:04 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
wrote:
I believe that there are evil spirits who claim to be those gods.
[I'll amend that age guess and lower fifteen down to twelve, that should be
closer"]
Most kids start giving up fairy tales by 8.
There are also evil spirits
Just another sign that you haven't yet grown up.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
08 Jan 2007 10:55:02 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 8 Jan 2007 04:53:04 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:
I believe that there are evil spirits who claim to be those gods.
[I'll amend that age guess and lower fifteen down to twelve, that should be
closer"]
Most kids start giving up fairy tales by 8.
True, true,
but can they bring themselves to call their mums and dads
'liars and deceivers'
That is the awkward part.
Bob
"Religion is a disease that we catch from our parents"
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
05 Jan 2007 08:34:17 PM |
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On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:13:58 -0800, Jim07D7 <Jim07D7@nospam.net>
wrote:
rbwinn3@juno.com said:
Al Klein wrote:
<...>
Just like "you can tell" that Jesus actually lived 2,000 years ago.
Well, yes, Al, exactly. This should be a testimony to you of the power
of the Holy Ghost.
Robert B. Winn
Just as a 5-year old would speak of his parent's telling him about
Santa.
Reminds me of the moron who posted that his god was so powerful that
he could save us from hell even if he didn't exist.
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| User: "" |
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05 Jan 2007 11:13:02 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:13:58 -0800, Jim07D7 <Jim07D7@nospam.net>
wrote:
rbwinn3@juno.com said:
Al Klein wrote:
<...>
Just like "you can tell" that Jesus actually lived 2,000 years ago.
Well, yes, Al, exactly. This should be a testimony to you of the power
of the Holy Ghost.
Robert B. Winn
Just as a 5-year old would speak of his parent's telling him about
Santa.
Reminds me of the moron who posted that his god was so powerful that
he could save us from hell even if he didn't exist.
Except that in this case, even Satan cannot convince you that you read
the book of Isaiah, as much as he would like to do it.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
28 Dec 2006 06:52:13 PM |
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On 28 Dec 2006 04:03:22 -0800, wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 07:37:22 -0800, wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
It provides no rationale for atrocities.
So your belief is that Josef Stalin could not have committed any
atrocities because he was an atheist.
Atheism didn't provide the rationale for any of the atrocities
committed by Stalin. No one claimed that he couldn't have committed
any. (But why would an atheist attend seminary? Stalin was Russian
Orthodox, and once one is a Catholic congregant one is ALWAYS a
Catholic congregant, according to the rules of the Church.)
===>He simply adapted the pomp and the atrocities (Inquisition)
of the Christians to his new religion: Stalinianity. -- L.
Well, now here is a new one. Christians are responsible for the
atrocities that Stalin committed.
No one made that claim but you.
What about the tortures committed by
the Apache Indians? Surely you will be able to show us how Christians
caused those.
The atrocities BEFORE the Christians arrived or AFTER the Christians
arrived. Most of the "atrocities" committed on Christians by Apaches
were retribution for Christian atrocities committed against Native
Americans. If the Europeans has stayed in Europe, the Apaches
wouldn't have killed any of them.
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| User: "" |
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30 Dec 2006 04:28:47 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 28 Dec 2006 04:03:22 -0800, wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 07:37:22 -0800, wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
It provides no rationale for atrocities.
So your belief is that Josef Stalin could not have committed any
atrocities because he was an atheist.
Atheism didn't provide the rationale for any of the atrocities
committed by Stalin. No one claimed that he couldn't have committed
any. (But why would an atheist attend seminary? Stalin was Russian
Orthodox, and once one is a Catholic congregant one is ALWAYS a
Catholic congregant, according to the rules of the Church.)
===>He simply adapted the pomp and the atrocities (Inquisition)
of the Christians to his new religion: Stalinianity. -- L.
Well, now here is a new one. Christians are responsible for the
atrocities that Stalin committed.
No one made that claim but you.
What about the tortures committed by
the Apache Indians? Surely you will be able to show us how Christians
caused those.
The atrocities BEFORE the Christians arrived or AFTER the Christians
arrived. Most of the "atrocities" committed on Christians by Apaches
were retribution for Christian atrocities committed against Native
Americans. If the Europeans has stayed in Europe, the Apaches
wouldn't have killed any of them.
See, I knew that you could do it, Al. So, as I understand it, if I
stay out of east Los Angeles, I have a better chance of not being
killed by an illegal alien.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
30 Dec 2006 07:05:12 PM |
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wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 28 Dec 2006 04:03:22 -0800, wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 07:37:22 -0800, wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
It provides no rationale for atrocities.
So your belief is that Josef Stalin could not have committed any
atrocities because he was an atheist.
Atheism didn't provide the rationale for any of the atrocities
committed by Stalin. No one claimed that he couldn't have committed
any. (But why would an atheist attend seminary? Stalin was Russian
Orthodox, and once one is a Catholic congregant one is ALWAYS a
Catholic congregant, according to the rules of the Church.)
===>He simply adapted the pomp and the atrocities (Inquisition)
of the Christians to his new religion: Stalinianity. -- L.
Well, now here is a new one. Christians are responsible for the
atrocities that Stalin committed.
No one made that claim but you.
What about the tortures committed by
the Apache Indians? Surely you will be able to show us how Christians
caused those.
The atrocities BEFORE the Christians arrived or AFTER the Christians
arrived. Most of the "atrocities" committed on Christians by Apaches
were retribution for Christian atrocities committed against Native
Americans. If the Europeans has stayed in Europe, the Apaches
wouldn't have killed any of them.
See, I knew that you could do it, Al. So, as I understand it, if I
stay out of east Los Angeles, I have a better chance of not being
killed by an illegal alien.
===>Back then it was the invading WHITES who wer the
"illegal aliens". -- L.
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| User: "" |
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30 Dec 2006 08:08:40 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 28 Dec 2006 04:03:22 -0800, wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 07:37:22 -0800, wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
It provides no rationale for atrocities.
So your belief is that Josef Stalin could not have committed any
atrocities because he was an atheist.
Atheism didn't provide the rationale for any of the atrocities
committed by Stalin. No one claimed that he couldn't have committed
any. (But why would an atheist attend seminary? Stalin was Russian
Orthodox, and once one is a Catholic congregant one is ALWAYS a
Catholic congregant, according to the rules of the Church.)
===>He simply adapted the pomp and the atrocities (Inquisition)
of the Christians to his new religion: Stalinianity. -- L.
Well, now here is a new one. Christians are responsible for the
atrocities that Stalin committed.
No one made that claim but you.
What about the tortures committed by
the Apache Indians? Surely you will be able to show us how Christians
caused those.
The atrocities BEFORE the Christians arrived or AFTER the Christians
arrived. Most of the "atrocities" committed on Christians by Apaches
were retribution for Christian atrocities committed against Native
Americans. If the Europeans has stayed in Europe, the Apaches
wouldn't have killed any of them.
See, I knew that you could do it, Al. So, as I understand it, if I
stay out of east Los Angeles, I have a better chance of not being
killed by an illegal alien.
===>Back then it was the invading WHITES who wer the
"illegal aliens". -- L.
Well, maybe we could apply this principle to the internet. Who are the
illegal aliens in alt.bible?
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
31 Dec 2006 05:22:15 PM |
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wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 28 Dec 2006 04:03:22 -0800, wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 07:37:22 -0800, wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
It provides no rationale for atrocities.
So your belief is that Josef Stalin could not have committed any
atrocities because he was an atheist.
Atheism didn't provide the rationale for any of the atrocities
committed by Stalin. No one claimed that he couldn't have committed
any. (But why would an atheist attend seminary? Stalin was Russian
Orthodox, and once one is a Catholic congregant one is ALWAYS a
Catholic congregant, according to the rules of the Church.)
===>He simply adapted the pomp and the atrocities (Inquisition)
of the Christians to his new religion: Stalinianity. -- L.
Well, now here is a new one. Christians are responsible for the
atrocities that Stalin committed.
No one made that claim but you.
What about the tortures committed by
the Apache Indians? Surely you will be able to show us how Christians
caused those.
The atrocities BEFORE the Christians arrived or AFTER the Christians
arrived. Most of the "atrocities" committed on Christians by Apaches
were retribution for Christian atrocities committed against Native
Americans. If the Europeans has stayed in Europe, the Apaches
wouldn't have killed any of them.
See, I knew that you could do it, Al. So, as I understand it, if I
stay out of east Los Angeles, I have a better chance of not being
killed by an illegal alien.
===>Back then it was the invading WHITES who wer the
"illegal aliens". -- L.
Well, maybe we could apply this principle to the internet. Who are the
illegal aliens in alt.bible?
Robert B. Winn
===>Anyone not interested in or ignorant about
the Bible.
That would include over 50% of all Christians. -- L.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
31 Dec 2006 06:23:05 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 28 Dec 2006 04:03:22 -0800, wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 07:37:22 -0800, wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
It provides no rationale for atrocities.
So your belief is that Josef Stalin could not have committed any
atrocities because he was an atheist.
Atheism didn't provide the rationale for any of the atrocities
committed by Stalin. No one claimed that he couldn't have committed
any. (But why would an atheist attend seminary? Stalin was Russian
Orthodox, and once one is a Catholic congregant one is ALWAYS a
Catholic congregant, according to the rules of the Church.)
===>He simply adapted the pomp and the atrocities (Inquisition)
of the Christians to his new religion: Stalinianity. -- L.
Well, now here is a new one. Christians are responsible for the
atrocities that Stalin committed.
No one made that claim but you.
What about the tortures committed by
the Apache Indians? Surely you will be able to show us how Christians
caused those.
The atrocities BEFORE the Christians arrived or AFTER the Christians
arrived. Most of the "atrocities" committed on Christians by Apaches
were retribution for Christian atrocities committed against Native
Americans. If the Europeans has stayed in Europe, the Apaches
wouldn't have killed any of them.
See, I knew that you could do it, Al. So, as I understand it, if I
stay out of east Los Angeles, I have a better chance of not being
killed by an illegal alien.
===>Back then it was the invading WHITES who wer the
"illegal aliens". -- L.
Well, maybe we could apply this principle to the internet. Who are the
illegal aliens in alt.bible?
Robert B. Winn
===>Anyone not interested in or ignorant about
the Bible.
That would include over 50% of all Christians. -- L.
Well, yes, but it would include 100% of all atheists.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
31 Dec 2006 08:03:44 PM |
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wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 28 Dec 2006 04:03:22 -0800, wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 07:37:22 -0800, wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
It provides no rationale for atrocities.
So your belief is that Josef Stalin could not have committed any
atrocities because he was an atheist.
Atheism didn't provide the rationale for any of the atrocities
committed by Stalin. No one claimed that he couldn't have committed
any. (But why would an atheist attend seminary? Stalin was Russian
Orthodox, and once one is a Catholic congregant one is ALWAYS a
Catholic congregant, according to the rules of the Church.)
===>He simply adapted the pomp and the atrocities (Inquisition)
of the Christians to his new religion: Stalinianity. -- L.
Well, now here is a new one. Christians are responsible for the
atrocities that Stalin committed.
No one made that claim but you.
What about the tortures committed by
the Apache Indians? Surely you will be able to show us how Christians
caused those.
The atrocities BEFORE the Christians arrived or AFTER the Christians
arrived. Most of the "atrocities" committed on Christians by Apaches
were retribution for Christian atrocities committed against Native
Americans. If the Europeans has stayed in Europe, the Apaches
wouldn't have killed any of them.
See, I knew that you could do it, Al. So, as I understand it, if I
stay out of east Los Angeles, I have a better chance of not being
killed by an illegal alien.
===>Back then it was the invading WHITES who wer the
"illegal aliens". -- L.
Well, maybe we could apply this principle to the internet. Who are the
illegal aliens in alt.bible?
Robert B. Winn
===>Anyone not interested in or ignorant about
the Bible.
That would include over 50% of all Christians. -- L.
Well, yes, but it would include 100% of all atheists.
===>More of your stupid ASSertions.
In fact many "atheists" and non-believers like me
know the Bible better than you ever will. -- L.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
01 Jan 2007 12:38:59 AM |
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Libertarius wrote:
wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 28 Dec 2006 04:03:22 -0800, wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 07:37:22 -0800, wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
It provides no rationale for atrocities.
So your belief is that Josef Stalin could not have committed any
atrocities because he was an atheist.
Atheism didn't provide the rationale for any of the atrocities
committed by Stalin. No one claimed that he couldn't have committed
any. (But why would an atheist attend seminary? Stalin was Russian
Orthodox, and once one is a Catholic congregant one is ALWAYS a
Catholic congregant, according to the rules of the Church.)
===>He simply adapted the pomp and the atrocities (Inquisition)
of the Christians to his new religion: Stalinianity. -- L.
Well, now here is a new one. Christians are responsible for the
atrocities that Stalin committed.
No one made that claim but you.
What about the tortures committed by
the Apache Indians? Surely you will be able to show us how Christians
caused those.
The atrocities BEFORE the Christians arrived or AFTER the Christians
arrived. Most of the "atrocities" committed on Christians by Apaches
were retribution for Christian atrocities committed against Native
Americans. If the Europeans has stayed in Europe, the Apaches
wouldn't have killed any of them.
See, I knew that you could do it, Al. So, as I understand it, if I
stay out of east Los Angeles, I have a better chance of not being
killed by an illegal alien.
===>Back then it was the invading WHITES who wer the
"illegal aliens". -- L.
Well, maybe we could apply this principle to the internet. Who are the
illegal aliens in alt.bible?
Robert B. Winn
===>Anyone not interested in or ignorant about
the Bible.
That would include over 50% of all Christians. -- L.
Well, yes, but it would include 100% of all atheists.
===>More of your stupid ASSertions.
In fact many "atheists" and non-believers like me
know the Bible better than you ever will. -- L.
Any person who knows that Jesus Christ was the Son of God can
understand the Bible better than you would if you studied it
continually.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
01 Jan 2007 04:26:42 PM |
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wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 28 Dec 2006 04:03:22 -0800, wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 07:37:22 -0800, wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
It provides no rationale for atrocities.
So your belief is that Josef Stalin could not have committed any
atrocities because he was an atheist.
Atheism didn't provide the rationale for any of the atrocities
committed by Stalin. No one claimed that he couldn't have committed
any. (But why would an atheist attend seminary? Stalin was Russian
Orthodox, and once one is a Catholic congregant one is ALWAYS a
Catholic congregant, according to the rules of the Church.)
===>He simply adapted the pomp and the atrocities (Inquisition)
of the Christians to his new religion: Stalinianity. -- L.
Well, now here is a new one. Christians are responsible for the
atrocities that Stalin committed.
No one made that claim but you.
What about the tortures committed by
the Apache Indians? Surely you will be able to show us how Christians
caused those.
The atrocities BEFORE the Christians arrived or AFTER the Christians
arrived. Most of the "atrocities" committed on Christians by Apaches
were retribution for Christian atrocities committed against Native
Americans. If the Europeans has stayed in Europe, the Apaches
wouldn't have killed any of them.
See, I knew that you could do it, Al. So, as I understand it, if I
stay out of east Los Angeles, I have a better chance of not being
killed by an illegal alien.
===>Back then it was the invading WHITES who wer the
"illegal aliens". -- L.
Well, maybe we could apply this principle to the internet. Who are the
illegal aliens in alt.bible?
Robert B. Winn
===>Anyone not interested in or ignorant about
the Bible.
That would include over 50% of all Christians. -- L.
Well, yes, but it would include 100% of all atheists.
===>More of your stupid ASSertions.
In fact many "atheists" and non-believers like me
know the Bible better than you ever will. -- L.
Any person who knows that Jesus Christ was the Son of God can
understand the Bible better than you would if you studied it
continually.
===>That is another of your dumb ASSertions.
In fact NO ONE who really understands the Bible would
consider "Jesus Christ" thye son of any "God". -- L.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
01 Jan 2007 05:25:39 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 28 Dec 2006 04:03:22 -0800, wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 07:37:22 -0800, wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
It provides no rationale for atrocities.
So your belief is that Josef Stalin could not have committed any
atrocities because he was an atheist.
Atheism didn't provide the rationale for any of the atrocities
committed by Stalin. No one claimed that he couldn't have committed
any. (But why would an atheist attend seminary? Stalin was Russian
Orthodox, and once one is a Catholic congregant one is ALWAYS a
Catholic congregant, according to the rules of the Church.)
===>He simply adapted the pomp and the atrocities (Inquisition)
of the Christians to his new religion: Stalinianity. -- L.
Well, now here is a new one. Christians are responsible for the
atrocities that Stalin committed.
No one made that claim but you.
What about the tortures committed by
the Apache Indians? Surely you will be able to show us how Christians
caused those.
The atrocities BEFORE the Christians arrived or AFTER the Christians
arrived. Most of the "atrocities" committed on Christians by Apaches
were retribution for Christian atrocities committed against Native
Americans. If the Europeans has stayed in Europe, the Apaches
wouldn't have killed any of them.
See, I knew that you could do it, Al. So, as I understand it, if I
stay out of east Los Angeles, I have a better chance of not being
killed by an illegal alien.
===>Back then it was the invading WHITES who wer the
"illegal aliens". -- L.
Well, maybe we could apply this principle to the internet. Who are the
illegal aliens in alt.bible?
Robert B. Winn
===>Anyone not interested in or ignorant about
the Bible.
That would include over 50% of all Christians. -- L.
Well, yes, but it would include 100% of all atheists.
===>More of your stupid ASSertions.
In fact many "atheists" and non-believers like me
know the Bible better than you ever will. -- L.
Any person who knows that Jesus Christ was the Son of God can
understand the Bible better than you would if you studied it
continually.
===>That is another of your dumb ASSertions.
In fact NO ONE who really understands the Bible would
consider "Jesus Christ" thye son of any "God". -- L.
What did you think the Bible was?
Robert B. Winn
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28 Dec 2006 05:57:58 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 07:37:22 -0800, wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
It provides no rationale for atrocities.
So your belief is that Josef Stalin could not have committed any
atrocities because he was an atheist.
Atheism didn't provide the rationale for any of the atrocities
committed by Stalin. No one claimed that he couldn't have committed
any. (But why would an atheist attend seminary? Stalin was Russian
Orthodox, and once one is a Catholic congregant one is ALWAYS a
Catholic congregant, according to the rules of the Church.)
Well, Stalin never pretended to be a Christian, unlike Hitler, who
would make religious speeches from time to time. What I think we
should do is wait until after the resurrection and ask Stalin in person
if he considered himself to be a Catholic congregant. Anyway, the
Catholic Church excommunicates people. Are they still Catholic
congregants?
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
28 Dec 2006 07:07:35 PM |
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On 28 Dec 2006 03:57:58 -0800, wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 07:37:22 -0800, wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
It provides no rationale for atrocities.
So your belief is that Josef Stalin could not have committed any
atrocities because he was an atheist.
Atheism didn't provide the rationale for any of the atrocities
committed by Stalin. No one claimed that he couldn't have committed
any. (But why would an atheist attend seminary? Stalin was Russian
Orthodox, and once one is a Catholic congregant one is ALWAYS a
Catholic congregant, according to the rules of the Church.)
Well, Stalin never pretended to be a Christian, unlike Hitler, who
would make religious speeches from time to time.
Since Christians claim that pretense doesn't make one a Christian,
this sentence is irrelevant. But if he hadn't been Christian he
wouldn't have attended seminary. (Atheists don't study for the
priesthood, any more than Christians study to become Imams. And for
the same reason.)
What I think we should do is wait until after the resurrection and ask Stalin in person
if he considered himself to be a Catholic congregant.
The CHURCH considered him to be one until his death - that's all that
matters, vis-a-vis his Christianity.
Anyway, the Catholic Church excommunicates people.
Very few, and only for doing things that could be dangerous to the
Church. Stalin never harmed the Church, or even threatened to.
Killing 12 million people isn't a threat to the Church, as long as he
leaves the Church hierarchy alone, which he did for the most part. A
few priests don't ripple the water much.
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| User: "Sugien" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
28 Dec 2006 07:28:24 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:m9q8p2dbv82610u26rp22qidsi5huflu4i@4ax.com...
On 28 Dec 2006 03:57:58 -0800, wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 07:37:22 -0800, wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
It provides no rationale for atrocities.
So your belief is that Josef Stalin could not have committed any
atrocities because he was an atheist.
Atheism didn't provide the rationale for any of the atrocities
committed by Stalin. No one claimed that he couldn't have committed
any. (But why would an atheist attend seminary? Stalin was Russian
Orthodox, and once one is a Catholic congregant one is ALWAYS a
Catholic congregant, according to the rules of the Church.)
Well, Stalin never pretended to be a Christian, unlike Hitler, who
would make religious speeches from time to time.
Since Christians claim that pretense doesn't make one a Christian,
this sentence is irrelevant. But if he hadn't been Christian he
wouldn't have attended seminary. (Atheists don't study for the
priesthood, any more than Christians study to become Imams. And for
the same reason.)
although it is true atheists don't study for the priesthood in as much that
they don't want to be a priest, they do however study the *same* material;
but not for the same reason
--
From the Desk of Paul CKC
/}
@###{ ]::::::Cyber Knight for Christ::::::>
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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28 Dec 2006 08:53:27 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:28:24 -0500, "Sugien" <dinosoft@adelphia.net>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:m9q8p2dbv82610u26rp22qidsi5huflu4i@4ax.com...
Since Christians claim that pretense doesn't make one a Christian,
this sentence is irrelevant. But if he hadn't been Christian he
wouldn't have attended seminary. (Atheists don't study for the
priesthood, any more than Christians study to become Imams. And for
the same reason.)
although it is true atheists don't study for the priesthood in as much that
they don't want to be a priest, they do however study the *same* material;
but not for the same reason
Which is totally irrelevant, since atheists don't study that material
IN a seminary, and Stalin studied IN a seminary.
That people in anti-terrorist work study terrorism doesn't make them
terrorists. I'll leave it to you to find the name of the logical
fallacy you've committed.
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| User: "Sugien" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
29 Dec 2006 06:22:41 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:sk09p295gm3rn9lbc43as7h5hoss3l8r71@4ax.com...
On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:28:24 -0500, "Sugien" <dinosoft@adelphia.net>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:m9q8p2dbv82610u26rp22qidsi5huflu4i@4ax.com...
Since Christians claim that pretense doesn't make one a Christian,
this sentence is irrelevant. But if he hadn't been Christian he
wouldn't have attended seminary. (Atheists don't study for the
priesthood, any more than Christians study to become Imams. And for
the same reason.)
although it is true atheists don't study for the priesthood in as much
that
they don't want to be a priest, they do however study the *same* material;
but not for the same reason
Which is totally irrelevant, since atheists don't study that material
IN a seminary, and Stalin studied IN a seminary.
That people in anti-terrorist work study terrorism doesn't make them
terrorists. I'll leave it to you to find the name of the logical
fallacy you've committed.
You have never studied logic
--
From the Desk of Paul CKC
/}
@###{ ]::::::Cyber Knight for Christ::::::>
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
02 Jan 2007 11:34:54 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:22:41 -0500, "Sugien" <dinosoft@adelphia.net>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:sk09p295gm3rn9lbc43as7h5hoss3l8r71@4ax.com...
On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:28:24 -0500, "Sugien" <dinosoft@adelphia.net>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:m9q8p2dbv82610u26rp22qidsi5huflu4i@4ax.com...
Since Christians claim that pretense doesn't make one a Christian,
this sentence is irrelevant. But if he hadn't been Christian he
wouldn't have attended seminary. (Atheists don't study for the
priesthood, any more than Christians study to become Imams. And for
the same reason.)
although it is true atheists don't study for the priesthood in as much
that
they don't want to be a priest, they do however study the *same* material;
but not for the same reason
Which is totally irrelevant, since atheists don't study that material
IN a seminary, and Stalin studied IN a seminary.
That people in anti-terrorist work study terrorism doesn't make them
terrorists. I'll leave it to you to find the name of the logical
fallacy you've committed.
You have never studied logic
Just a little - enough to have taught it.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
31 Dec 2006 06:20:03 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 28 Dec 2006 03:57:58 -0800, wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 07:37:22 -0800, wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
It provides no rationale for atrocities.
So your belief is that Josef Stalin could not have committed any
atrocities because he was an atheist.
Atheism didn't provide the rationale for any of the atrocities
committed by Stalin. No one claimed that he couldn't have committed
any. (But why would an atheist attend seminary? Stalin was Russian
Orthodox, and once one is a Catholic congregant one is ALWAYS a
Catholic congregant, according to the rules of the Church.)
Well, Stalin never pretended to be a Christian, unlike Hitler, who
would make religious speeches from time to time.
Since Christians claim that pretense doesn't make one a Christian,
this sentence is irrelevant. But if he hadn't been Christian he
wouldn't have attended seminary. (Atheists don't study for the
priesthood, any more than Christians study to become Imams. And for
the same reason.)
What I think we should do is wait until after the resurrection and ask Stalin in person
if he considered himself to be a Catholic congregant.
The CHURCH considered him to be one until his death - that's all that
matters, vis-a-vis his Christianity.
Anyway, the Catholic Church excommunicates people.
Very few, and only for doing things that could be dangerous to the
Church. Stalin never harmed the Church, or even threatened to.
Killing 12 million people isn't a threat to the Church, as long as he
leaves the Church hierarchy alone, which he did for the most part. A
few priests don't ripple the water much.
Russian Orthodox people said they were persecuted under Communism. Do
you think they were lying about that?
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question (9) |
31 Dec 2006 05:42:48 PM |
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wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 28 Dec 2006 03:57:58 -0800, wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 07:37:22 -0800, wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
It provides no rationale for atrocities.
So your belief is that Josef Stalin could not have committed any
atrocities because he was an atheist.
Atheism didn't provide the rationale for any of the atrocities
committed by Stalin. No one claimed that he couldn't have committed
any. (But why would an atheist attend seminary? Stalin was Russian
Orthodox, and once one is a Catholic congregant one is ALWAYS a
Catholic congregant, according to the rules of the Church.)
Well, Stalin never pretended to be a Christian, unlike Hitler, who
would make religious speeches from time to time.
Since Christians claim that pretense doesn't make one a Christian,
this sentence is irrelevant. But if he hadn't been Christian he
wouldn't have attended seminary. (Atheists don't study for the
priesthood, any more than Christians study to become Imams. And for
the same reason.)
What I think we should do is wait until after the resurrection and ask Stalin in person
if he considered himself to be a Catholic congregant.
The CHURCH considered him to be one until his death - that's all that
matters, vis-a-vis his Christianity.
Anyway, the Catholic Church excommunicates people.
Very few, and only for doing things that could be dangerous to the
Church. Stalin never harmed the Church, or even threatened to.
Killing 12 million people isn't a threat to the Church, as long as he
leaves the Church hierarchy alone, which he did for the most part. A
few priests don't ripple the water much.
Russian Orthodox people said they were persecuted under Communism. Do
you think they were lying about that?
===>ALL Eastern Orthodox Christians were persecuted by the Roman Church
when the two separated.
Have yuo ever read any books other than your collection of ancient
fables? -- L.
Robert B. Winn
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