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"Doug Bashford" |
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17 Jun 2007 12:42:15 PM |
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Re: Some doubt U.S. claims Iran arming Taliban |
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, Phlip said about:
Re: Some doubt U.S. claims Iran arming Taliban
Can you name a US official who denies that Iran is arming terrorists
in Iraq?
That's a silly question.
In Oct 2002, can you name a US official who denies that
Iraq has WMD or is involved w Al Qaeda?
Who would go against the administation, the depository of
all intel, without overpowering evidence? That would be
a suicide mission.
That's not how the game is played. The serial numbers of weapons made in
Iran might show up in Iraq, for example, so no US official can deny the
technical details.
But bigger, ? why would someone arm their own enemies?
Iran HATES al Qaeda and ALL the Sunnies.
(The serial numbers of USA's weapons are all over the MidEast, by
contrast...)
The actual situation is that guns are _cheaper_ in Iraq than in Iran. Iran
has no reason to give them more.
And aren't Iran and Iraq different ethnicities - Sunni vs Shi'a - for
example?
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in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, <Joseph> said about:
Re: Some doubt U.S. claims Iran arming Taliban
The problem with US Claims, is the Taliban and or Alkida are Sunni that are
killing Shiites in Iraq and Iran, Shiites in Iraq are friends with Iran, why
would Iran arm their enemies against their friends?
Bingo.
That is how stupid every
claim that this US Administration and Israel makes, is. If Iran is arming
anyone, they would be arming Shiites, not Sunni, the hijackers were Sunni,
and so was Bin Laden, so why is the US and Israel not getting the Shiites to
go after the Sunni?
Because some of the big Oil Arabs are Sunni, and some of
them want the Shiites killed, and some of the US and Israel does too, just
so they can get Oil. The US and Israeli Officials that are doing these
things are greedy traitors taking the side of our enemies, and preventing us
from getting Bin laden and his likes, it is that simple.
....or it could also be Bush latestest hysterical drive to war:
IRAQ WAR II,
comming soon in Iran. Perpetual War, baby.
Warmongers for war!
....we are so surprised!
In service of God and Country
Joseph
The problem is not Illegal Aliens, but Illegal Employers.
Start Prosecuting Illegal Employers and we will need to
open our borders to let the newly unemployed Illegal Aliens
flood back into Mexico. Problem solved. It's that easy.
As the Washington Post noted in an article on June 19, 2006:
"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site immigration enforcement
operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and
Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into
the Homeland Security Department.
The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully
employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003,
and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000,
according to federal statistics.
"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417
companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."
The hiring crimes of Illegal Employers are being ignored
by the law, and rewarded by the economic systems of the nation.
The curent debate in Congress between Dems and Repubs is not
if our job market should be flooded with immigrants, but how.
Seemingly, corporations and government have joined forces against us.
And most Americans just don't care.
"Fascism should more properly be called
corporatism, since it is the merger
of state and corporate power." - Mussolini.
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| User: "Doug Bashford" |
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| Title: Re: Some doubt U.S. claims Iran arming Taliban |
19 Jun 2007 02:46:35 PM |
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in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, ZNUYBV said about:
Re: Some doubt U.S. claims Iran arming Taliban
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:56:21 -0700, "Phlip" <phlipcpp@yahoo.com>
wrote:
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Democrats often seem to be suicidal. Politically speaking.
Yup. Sometimes, standing up for what you truly believe is career suicide in
Washington. That's how the game is played. The NeoCons and Al Qaeda colluded
(in spirit if not in fact) to create a climate where dissent was impossible.
ZNUYBV wrote:
The NeoCons, which I take it you mean Jewish Conservatives,
are directly opposed to the terrorist al Qaeda.
Two questions.
1) Since when are Bush Cheney Rumsfeld Rove, Jewish?
2) Since when did they do ANYTHING but help bin Laden?
? Let me guess....
You guys think words speak louder than actions.
The problem is not Illegal Aliens, but Illegal Employers.
Start Prosecuting Illegal Employers and we will need to
open our borders to let the newly unemployed Illegal Aliens
flood back into Mexico. Problem solved. It's that easy.
As the Washington Post noted in an article on June 19, 2006:
"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site immigration enforcement
operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and
Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into
the Homeland Security Department.
The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully
employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003,
and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000,
according to federal statistics.
"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417
companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."
The hiring crimes of Illegal Employers are being ignored
by the law, and rewarded by the economic systems of the nation.
The curent debate in Congress between Dems and Repubs is not
if our job market should be flooded with immigrants, but how.
Seemingly, corporations and government have joined forces against us.
And most Americans just don't care.
"Fascism should more properly be called
corporatism, since it is the merger
of state and corporate power." - Mussolini.
.
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| User: "Phlip" |
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| Title: Re: Some doubt U.S. claims Iran arming Taliban |
17 Jun 2007 12:53:58 PM |
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The problem is not Illegal Aliens, but Illegal Employers.
Start Prosecuting Illegal Employers and we will need to
open our borders to let the newly unemployed Illegal Aliens
flood back into Mexico. Problem solved. It's that easy.
You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
(Really - the majority of the discussions here, from all "sides", are about
"let's try even _more_ vinegar! That will catch a fly, yeah!)
Instead of repressing the symptoms - immigration and cheap labor - how about
we reward Mexico to fix their feudal dictatorships? Then free markets and
democracy might have a chance to sort things out...
--
Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
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| User: "Doug Bashford" |
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| Title: Re: Some doubt U.S. claims Iran arming Taliban |
17 Jun 2007 01:28:12 PM |
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in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, Phlip said about:
Re: Some doubt U.S. claims Iran arming Taliban
The problem is not Illegal Aliens, but Illegal Employers.
Start Prosecuting Illegal Employers and we will need to
open our borders to let the newly unemployed Illegal Aliens
flood back into Mexico. Problem solved. It's that easy.
You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
In some sense, this solution is "honey" since it
doesn't jail tens of thousands nor use walls, etc.
Hence, it is unpopular among the racists and xenophobes
who want sort of "revenge."
(Really - the majority of the discussions here, from all "sides", are about
"let's try even _more_ vinegar! That will catch a fly, yeah!)
Instead of repressing the symptoms - immigration and cheap labor - how about
we reward Mexico to fix their feudal dictatorships? Then free markets and
democracy might have a chance to sort things out...
In principle, I think you are right. However, that seems
like a political impossibility. In part because we are
part of that problem, such as dumping our products for
cheaper than they can be grown there -- ruining their economy.
Hence, they flood here, Americans clean up their/our mess.
Indeed, our system is far from free market capitalism,
it is more hyper-capitalism, - subsidies from the poor
to the rich, from the employees to the employers, reverse
Robinhood. Give real, fairly regulated capitalism a
chance...might work.
--Doug
The problem is not Illegal Aliens, but Illegal Employers.
Start Prosecuting Illegal Employers and we will need to
open our borders to let the newly unemployed Illegal Aliens
flood back into Mexico. Problem solved. It's that easy.
As the Washington Post noted in an article on June 19, 2006:
"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site immigration enforcement
operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and
Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into
the Homeland Security Department.
The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully
employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003,
and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000,
according to federal statistics.
"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417
companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."
The hiring crimes of Illegal Employers are being ignored
by the law, and rewarded by the economic systems of the nation.
The curent debate in Congress between Dems and Repubs is not
if our job market should be flooded with immigrants, but how.
Seemingly, corporations and government have joined forces against us.
And most Americans just don't care.
"Fascism should more properly be called
corporatism, since it is the merger
of state and corporate power." - Mussolini.
.
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