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User: "Pastor Frank"
Date: 17 Oct 2006 04:28:32 AM
Object: Re: Spiritual Warfare
"Mistylien" <yardholler@charter.net> wrote in message
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The tribulation is still yet to come.


Not if you study propetic timeline and aply it to history timeline.
It is a done deal or "Prophecy fulfilled".
Do you want dates of it's beginning and end and any other particualars?

Aaron is right for once. We haven't seen yet the nuclear conflagration
the Bible prophesies. However we can all see Jews and some Christians
pushing hard to bring that about. They do that by invading, killing,
brutalizing, antagonizing and insulting Muslims in their own countries no
less, who are rich enough to buy any amount of surplus nuclear war-heads
from impoverished and corrupt Russian generals, ...along with the
scientists to make them usable against their tormentors, us.
See below
Pastor Frank
PROPHETIC APOCALYPSE, (The N-U-C-L-E-A-R consequence of the abomination
above and others like it, employing great noise and heat that can melt
elements, scorch people and destroy the "works of man" on a massive scale)
2Pt:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements
shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
shall be burned up.
2Pt:3:12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall
melt with fervent heat?
Mk:13:8: For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against
kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be
famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
Mt:24:21-22: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since
the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except
those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the
elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Jesus in Matt. 24:16-22: Then let them which be in Judea flee into the
mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing
out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take
his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give
suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter,
neither on the Sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was
not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved:
but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Jesus in Matt 34:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days
shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light. (Nuclear
Winter)
Jesus in Lk:23:30: Then shall they begin to say to the mountains: Fall
on us! And to the hills: Cover us!
Rev 6: 15-17 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the
rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among
the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks,
"Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from
the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who
can stand?"
Rv:16:9: And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name
of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give
him glory.
.

User: "Pax"

Title: Re: Spiritual Warfare 26 Oct 2006 02:48:31 PM
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The tribulation is still yet to come.


Not if you study propetic timeline and aply it to history timeline.
It is a done deal or "Prophecy fulfilled".
Do you want dates of it's beginning and end and any other particualars?

Aaron is right for once. We haven't seen yet the nuclear conflagration
the Bible prophesies. However we can all see Jews and some Christians
pushing hard to bring that about. They do that by invading, killing,
brutalizing, antagonizing and insulting Muslims in their own countries no
less, who are rich enough to buy any amount of surplus nuclear war-heads
from impoverished and corrupt Russian generals, ...along with the
scientists to make them usable against their tormentors, us.
See below

Pastor Frank

PROPHETIC APOCALYPSE, (The N-U-C-L-E-A-R consequence of the abomination
above and others like it, employing great noise and heat that can melt
elements, scorch people and destroy the "works of man" on a massive scale)
2Pt:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements
shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are
therein
shall be burned up.
2Pt:3:12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements
shall
melt with fervent heat?
Mk:13:8: For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against
kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall
be
famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
Mt:24:21-22: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since
the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except
those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for
the
elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Jesus in Matt. 24:16-22: Then let them which be in Judea flee into the
mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any
thing
out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to
take
his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give
suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter,
neither on the Sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as
was
not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved:
but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Jesus in Matt 34:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days
shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light. (Nuclear
Winter)
Jesus in Lk:23:30: Then shall they begin to say to the mountains: Fall
on us! And to the hills: Cover us!
Rev 6: 15-17 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals,
the
rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and
among
the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks,
"Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and
from
the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who
can stand?"
Rv:16:9: And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name
of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give
him glory.

Joel 2 also tells a similar tale. You can add to that Zechariah 14, another
OT chapter that says the same thing (excerpt):
Zechariah 14:12 - This is the plague with which the LORD will strike all the
nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are
still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and
their tongues will rot in their mouths.
Jesus is Lord - Pax
.
User: "Pastor Frank"

Title: Re: Spiritual Warfare 27 Oct 2006 10:52:11 AM
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
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PROPHETIC APOCALYPSE, (The N-U-C-L-E-A-R consequence of the
abomination
above and others like it, employing great noise and heat that can melt
elements, scorch people and destroy the "works of man" on a massive
scale)
2Pt:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the
elements
shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are
therein
shall be burned up.
2Pt:3:12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements
shall
melt with fervent heat?
Mk:13:8: For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against
kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall
be
famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
Mt:24:21-22: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not
since
the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And
except
those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for
the
elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Jesus in Matt. 24:16-22: Then let them which be in Judea flee into the
mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any
thing
out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to
take
his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give
suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter,
neither on the Sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as
was
not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be
saved:
but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Jesus in Matt 34:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days
shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light.
(Nuclear
Winter)
Jesus in Lk:23:30: Then shall they begin to say to the mountains: Fall
on us! And to the hills: Cover us!
Rev 6: 15-17 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals,
the
rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and
among
the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks,
"Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and
from
the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and
who
can stand?"
Rv:16:9: And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the
name
of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to
give
him glory.


Joel 2 also tells a similar tale. You can add to that Zechariah 14,
another OT chapter that says the same thing (excerpt):
Zechariah 14:12 - This is the plague with which the LORD will strike all
the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they
are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets,
and their tongues will rot in their mouths.
Jesus is Lord - Pax

The quote is not of Jesus, and the lamb of God is unlike to call upon
anyone to harm others. See below what will happen to those who do however.
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
Jesus in Mt:18:7: Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must
needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence
cometh!
.
User: "Pax"

Title: Re: Spiritual Warfare 27 Oct 2006 11:48:41 AM
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PROPHETIC APOCALYPSE, (The N-U-C-L-E-A-R consequence of the
abomination
above and others like it, employing great noise and heat that can melt
elements, scorch people and destroy the "works of man" on a massive
scale)
2Pt:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the
elements
shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are
therein
shall be burned up.
2Pt:3:12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements
shall
melt with fervent heat?
Mk:13:8: For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against
kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there
shall be
famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
Mt:24:21-22: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not
since
the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And
except
those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for
the
elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Jesus in Matt. 24:16-22: Then let them which be in Judea flee into
the
mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any
thing
out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to
take
his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that
give
suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter,
neither on the Sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as
was
not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall
be.
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be
saved:
but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Jesus in Matt 34:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days
shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light.
(Nuclear
Winter)
Jesus in Lk:23:30: Then shall they begin to say to the mountains:
Fall
on us! And to the hills: Cover us!
Rev 6: 15-17 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals,
the
rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and
among
the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks,
"Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and
from
the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and
who
can stand?"
Rv:16:9: And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the
name
of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to
give
him glory.


Joel 2 also tells a similar tale. You can add to that Zechariah 14,
another OT chapter that says the same thing (excerpt):
Zechariah 14:12 - This is the plague with which the LORD will strike all
the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while
they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their
sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.
Jesus is Lord - Pax

The quote is not of Jesus, and the lamb of God is unlike to call upon
anyone to harm others. See below what will happen to those who do however.

Pastor Frank

Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
Jesus in Mt:18:7: Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must
needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence
cometh!

I was quoting the Old Testament concerning nuclear holocaust, as you'd
mentioned. Man does a pretty good job of harming others on his own.
Matt 5:
17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have
not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until
heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of
a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is
accomplished."
Jesus didn't abolish the Old Testament and its teachings. "The Law" He was
talking about is just that, and it was all there was until after His death
and resserection.
Jesus is Lord - Pax
.
User: "Mistylien"

Title: Re: Spiritual Warfare 28 Oct 2006 12:16:14 AM
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The quote is not of Jesus, and the lamb of God is unlike to call upon anyone to harm
others. See below what will happen to those who do however.

Pastor Frank

Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
Jesus in Mt:18:7: Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must
needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence
cometh!


I was quoting the Old Testament concerning nuclear holocaust, as you'd mentioned. Man does a
pretty good job of harming others on his own.

Matt 5:
17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to
abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear,
not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the
Law until everything is accomplished."

Jesus didn't abolish the Old Testament and its teachings. "The Law" He was talking about is
just that, and it was all there was until after His death and resserection.

Jesus is Lord - Pax

What I am trying to do is get you all to look at "The Great Tribulation"
and how to view Prophecy by Decoding its secrets that God has put
it under.
Maybe God does not want me to do this.
But if He will permit me such liberties I will be glade to share
What has been given to me to share if possible.
2 Thes 2
The Man of Lawlessness
1Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered
to him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to become easily unsettled or alarmed
by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying
that the day of the Lord has already come. 3Don't let anyone deceive you
in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs
and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God
or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming
himself to be God.
5Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6And now you know
what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the secret power
of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till
he is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will
overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9The coming of
the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of
counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are
perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason
God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be
condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
NIV.
I have things to disclose who and what that "MAN OF SIN" is and the orgaization he
is the head of.
His office and the prophesied times that office will be in existantce and the things
that were prophesied of what would be going on all during that prophetic time.
If you will be patient with me we all may learn how to look at prophesies
a bit different then we had in the past.
M,
.

User: "Pastor Frank"

Title: Re: Spiritual Warfare 28 Oct 2006 03:22:53 AM
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The quote is not of Jesus, and the lamb of God is unlike to call upon
anyone to harm others. See below what will happen to those who do
however.

Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that
men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
Jesus in Mt:18:7: Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must
needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence
cometh!


I was quoting the Old Testament concerning nuclear holocaust, as you'd
mentioned. Man does a pretty good job of harming others on his own.
Matt 5:
17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I
have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the
truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the
least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until
everything is accomplished."
Jesus didn't abolish the Old Testament and its teachings. "The Law" He was
talking about is just that, and it was all there was until after His death
and resserection.
Jesus is Lord - Pax

Jesus came to fulfill the law. We are not bound by the law anymore, for
as Paul explains, the law is there only to find fault. The law cannot
recognise nor acknowledge perfection. But explain how that is connected to
the Apocalypse prophesy.
.
User: "Pax"

Title: Re: Spiritual Warfare 28 Oct 2006 09:08:29 AM
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The quote is not of Jesus, and the lamb of God is unlike to call upon
anyone to harm others. See below what will happen to those who do
however.

Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that
men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
Jesus in Mt:18:7: Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must
needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence
cometh!


I was quoting the Old Testament concerning nuclear holocaust, as you'd
mentioned. Man does a pretty good job of harming others on his own.
Matt 5:
17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I
have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the
truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the
least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until
everything is accomplished."
Jesus didn't abolish the Old Testament and its teachings. "The Law" He
was talking about is just that, and it was all there was until after His
death and resserection.
Jesus is Lord - Pax

Jesus came to fulfill the law. We are not bound by the law anymore, for
as Paul explains, the law is there only to find fault. The law cannot
recognise nor acknowledge perfection.

I agree with you, but that doesn't mean we're supposed to throw out the Old
Testament. The *entire* Bible is God's word, and Jesus put a lot of store in
the Old Testament.

But explain how that is connected to the Apocalypse prophesy.

The Apocalypse is mentioned quite a bit in the Old Testament. Jesus quotes
from Isaiah in Matt 24 concerning the time of His return. You'd mentioned
nuclear holocaust, and I pointed out a very graphic depiction of its results
in the Old Testament, Zechariah 14:12. To begin with, that was absolutely
all I was doing. :)
But, if you think Jesus will not come back as a conqueror, then you need to
read Revelation 19, there is no more graphic depiction of Jesus as
conqueror. Why do you think He said in Matt 24 that all the nations would
see Him returning and mourn?
Rev 19:
11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose
rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12
His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a
name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a
robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of
heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen,
white and clean. 15 Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to
strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads
the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and
on his thigh he has this name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all
the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of
God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and mighty men, of
horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, small
and great."
19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered
together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the
beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the
miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who
had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them
were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest of them
were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the
horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.
The important thing to note about the above is that it is *not* Jesus' elect
who carry out God's judgment on the enemies of God, it is Jesus Himself. In
other words, Jesus' followers do not, either in His name or by His command,
lift a finger in that final battle. Because of that, no one can claim
righteousness for killing those they've decided are enemies of God by
claiming it's the Last Days and they're doing as God commanded... because
there will be no such command.
Jesus is Lord - Pax
.
User: "Pastor Frank"

Title: Re: Spiritual Warfare 28 Oct 2006 11:09:17 PM
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Jesus came to fulfill the law. We are not bound by the law anymore,
for as Paul explains, the law is there only to find fault. The law cannot
recognise nor acknowledge perfection.


I agree with you, but that doesn't mean we're supposed to throw out the
Old Testament. The *entire* Bible is God's word, and Jesus put a lot of
store in the Old Testament.

It's not about "throwing out" the OT Bible, but being careful to use the
OT only insofar it supports Jesus Christ. After all, Jesus came to amend the
OT and establish a New Covenant. See below
Pastor Frank
THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST
Jesus in Matthew. 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye
for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: (Exodus 21:23-24)
39: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall
smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40: And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let
him have thy cloke also.
41: And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42: Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee
turn not thou away.
43: Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour,
and hate thine enemy.
44: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do
good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you,
and persecute you;
45: That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for
he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on
the just and on the unjust.
46: For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even
the publicans the same?
47: And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? Do
not even the publicans so?
48: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is
perfect.
---------------------
His teaching is a humongous step up from Judaism's Exodus 21:23-24
"If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth
for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound,
stripe for stripe."
Aside from repealing the law as per Exodus 21:23-24 concerning the
treatment of enemies, Jesus replaced several other Mosaic Laws. I.e.:
Jesus Repeals Laws Concerning The Gathering Of Food On The Sabbath
Exodus 16:28-29: and replaced with Mark 2:23-27:
Jesus Repeals Laws Concerning Divorce Deuteronomy 24:1-4: and replaces
it with Matthew 5-31-32:
Jesus Repeals Laws Concerning Adultery and replaces them with John
8:3-11:
Jesus Repeals Laws Concerning The Taking Of Oaths Numbers 30:1-2: and
Deuteronomy 23:21: and replaced it with Matthew 5:33-37:
Jesus Came to Fulfill the Law Hebrews 7:22: This makes Jesus the
guarantor of a better covenant.
Hebrews 8:13: In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one
obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old, is ready to
vanish away.
Matthew 5:17: "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the
Prophets; I came not to destroy, but to fulfill." Jesus did just this. The
Old Law was not destroyed, but it was fulfilled.
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Title: Re: Spiritual Warfare 29 Oct 2006 03:09:36 AM
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Jesus came to fulfill the law. We are not bound by the law anymore,
for as Paul explains, the law is there only to find fault. The law
cannot recognise nor acknowledge perfection.


I agree with you, but that doesn't mean we're supposed to throw out the
Old Testament. The *entire* Bible is God's word, and Jesus put a lot of
store in the Old Testament.

It's not about "throwing out" the OT Bible, but being careful to use
the OT only insofar it supports Jesus Christ. After all, Jesus came to
amend the OT and establish a New Covenant. See below

Since that's what I was doing, everything's copasetic. :)

Pastor Frank

THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST
Jesus in Matthew. 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye
for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: (Exodus 21:23-24)
39: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall
smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40: And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat,
let
him have thy cloke also.
41: And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42: Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of
thee
turn not thou away.
43: Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy
neighbour,
and hate thine enemy.
44: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you,
do
good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you,
and persecute you;
45: That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for
he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on
the just and on the unjust.
46: For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not
even
the publicans the same?
47: And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others?
Do
not even the publicans so?
48: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is
perfect.
---------------------

Isn't that beautiful? No matter how often I read it, it still feels good to
read it again.

His teaching is a humongous step up from Judaism's Exodus 21:23-24
"If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye,
tooth
for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound,
stripe for stripe."
Aside from repealing the law as per Exodus 21:23-24 concerning the
treatment of enemies, Jesus replaced several other Mosaic Laws. I.e.:
Jesus Repeals Laws Concerning The Gathering Of Food On The Sabbath
Exodus 16:28-29: and replaced with Mark 2:23-27:
Jesus Repeals Laws Concerning Divorce Deuteronomy 24:1-4: and replaces
it with Matthew 5-31-32:
Jesus Repeals Laws Concerning Adultery and replaces them with John
8:3-11:
Jesus Repeals Laws Concerning The Taking Of Oaths Numbers 30:1-2: and
Deuteronomy 23:21: and replaced it with Matthew 5:33-37:
Jesus Came to Fulfill the Law Hebrews 7:22: This makes Jesus the
guarantor of a better covenant.
Hebrews 8:13: In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one
obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old, is ready to
vanish away.
Matthew 5:17: "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the
Prophets; I came not to destroy, but to fulfill." Jesus did just this. The
Old Law was not destroyed, but it was fulfilled.

I have absolutely no argument with anything you have said above. We are in
agreement. :)
Jesus is Lord - Pax
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User: "Pax"

Title: A "Monk" Moment 27 Oct 2006 03:39:19 PM
Please forgive this obsessive-compulsive correction, but my horrible
mangling of "resurrection" in my post I'm appending is driving me nuts! I
have NO idea why I ever spelled it "resserection", must've been
sleep-typing, I know perfectly well that's is not how it's spelled. <grin>
Jesus is Lord (even to the obsessive-compulsive) - Pax
.
User: "Pastor Frank"

Title: Re: A "Monk" Moment 28 Oct 2006 03:29:51 AM
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Please forgive this obsessive-compulsive correction, but my horrible
mangling of "resurrection" in my post I'm appending is driving me nuts! I
have NO idea why I ever spelled it "resserection", must've been
sleep-typing, I know perfectly well that's is not how it's spelled. <grin>
Jesus is Lord (even to the obsessive-compulsive) - Pax

Why don't you turn on your automatic spell checker? Outlook Express will
use the spell checker of MS Works or Word. I understand that the other free
I.E., the new Firefox has now a spell checker built-in.
.
User: "Pax"

Title: Re: A "Monk" Moment 28 Oct 2006 08:34:19 AM
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
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Please forgive this obsessive-compulsive correction, but my horrible
mangling of "resurrection" in my post I'm appending is driving me nuts! I
have NO idea why I ever spelled it "resserection", must've been
sleep-typing, I know perfectly well that is not how it's spelled. <grin>
Jesus is Lord (even to the obsessive-compulsive) - Pax

Why don't you turn on your automatic spell checker? Outlook Express
will use the spell checker of MS Works or Word. I understand that the
other free I.E., the new Firefox has now a spell checker built-in.

Good suggestion. Thanks. :)
Jesus is Lord - Pax
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User: "Aaron"

Title: Re: Spiritual Warfare 27 Oct 2006 03:12:56 AM
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:28:32 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:

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The tribulation is still yet to come.


Not if you study propetic timeline and aply it to history timeline.
It is a done deal or "Prophecy fulfilled".
Do you want dates of it's beginning and end and any other particualars?

Aaron is right for once. We haven't seen yet the nuclear conflagration
the Bible prophesies. However we can all see Jews and some Christians
pushing hard to bring that about. They do that by invading, killing,
brutalizing, antagonizing and insulting Muslims in their own countries no
less, who are rich enough to buy any amount of surplus nuclear war-heads
from impoverished and corrupt Russian generals, ...along with the
scientists to make them usable against their tormentors, us.
See below

LOL Frank you seem to think that Jesus is evil for destroying evil.


Pastor Frank

PROPHETIC APOCALYPSE, (The N-U-C-L-E-A-R consequence of the abomination
above and others like it, employing great noise and heat that can melt
elements, scorch people and destroy the "works of man" on a massive scale)

Frank, you are calling JESUS an "abomination."

2Pt:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements
shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
shall be burned up.

Frank you left out verse 11. Is that because it mentions that the
Followers of Jesus should obey the Commandments?

2Pt:3:12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall
melt with fervent heat?

Yes, Jesus did say in Matthew 13:36-43 that He would send His angels
to burn away anyone who rejected the Commandments. It is interesting
that even the Jews who do not accept Jesus as Messiah obey more of His
teachings that you claim Christians should obey.

Mk:13:8: For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against
kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be
famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.

Frank did you bother to read the entire chapter? Jesus said that
these things would happen before the Gospel had been spread to the
Pagan Nations. He spoke privately to His Disciples about their fates
and future matyrdom. It has nothing to do with End times.

Mt:24:21-22: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since
the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except
those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the
elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Frank, that is the same discussion of the fate of the Disciples told
from Matthews point of view. also note that Jesus was talking about
the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and advised that the Judeans should
run and hide in the hills. Interestingly Roman legionares were not
trained to fight in the rough terrain of the mountain around
Jerusalem.

Jesus in Matt. 24:16-22: Then let them which be in Judea flee into the
mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing
out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take
his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give
suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter,
neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was
not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved:
but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Frank, you just quoted most of that. Are you running out of material
that could vaguely be misconstrued to support your insanity?
BTW: you have opposed observance of the Sabbath oting for Sunday
instead, but now you are quoting Jesus saying that Sabbath should be
so observed that one might even refuse to run for one's life! You
really should read before you cut and paste.

Jesus in Matt 34:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days
shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light. (Nuclear
Winter)

You mean Matthew 24:29. There are only 28 chapters in Matthew.
Maybe Jesus' angels will cause the fire like Jesus said in Matthew 13.
Or maybe Jesus himself since this even is caused by Jesus' return as
stated in verse 27. Of course the ruins of Sodom and Gammorah are
still radioactive so God has "the bomb!" LOL Do you propose that we
take away Jesus' nuclear weapons? LOL
Frank if you are still blaming the Jews for what Jesus does then you
are blaing the Jews for the defeat of Satan and for the salvation of
Jesus' followers, and for the resurrection of the dead! I find it
dificult to believe that the Jews will do all that, unless you are
counting Jesus as a Jew! Since Jesus is a Jew, a Pharisee to be
exact, I suppose that is correct, but the Jews give God credit for all
of that.

Jesus in Lk:23:30: Then shall they begin to say to the mountains: Fall
on us! And to the hills: Cover us!

Since the wording is so very similar to the words that Jesus used to
describe the fall of Jerusalem, it is not likely that this is an End
Time prophecy at all. It looks more like a continuation on the same
theme. Of course there is a similarity with Revelation 6:17, so it is
possible that it is an End Time prophecy. Either way, the Gentiles
seem to be are cause of the destruction. The Gentiles are the
perpetrators of the Tribulation, not the Jews.

Rev 6: 15-17 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the
rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among
the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks,
"Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from
the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who
can stand?"

Frank Revelation 6:12 says that Jesus will cause this to happen.

Rv:16:9: And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name
of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give
him glory.

Frank, first, this happens at the command of God.
Second, you even cite that these people were punished for blaspheming
YHVH.
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Title: Re: Spiritual Warfare 27 Oct 2006 10:46:10 AM
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:28:32 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
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The tribulation is still yet to come.


Not if you study propetic timeline and aply it to history timeline.
It is a done deal or "Prophecy fulfilled".
Do you want dates of it's beginning and end and any other particualars?

Aaron is right for once. We haven't seen yet the nuclear conflagration
the Bible prophesies. However we can all see Jews and some Christians
pushing hard to bring that about. They do that by invading, killing,
brutalizing, antagonizing and insulting Muslims in their own countries no
less, who are rich enough to buy any amount of surplus nuclear war-heads
from impoverished and corrupt Russian generals, ...along with the
scientists to make them usable against their tormentors, us.
See below


LOL Frank you seem to think that Jesus is evil for destroying evil.

Tell what "evil" Jews were commanded to "destroy" exactly in the below
holocaust?
Pastor Frank
The below atrocities were committed shortly after the God of the Jews,
YHVH, gave Moses the 10 commandments, forbidding Jews to covet their
neighbour's property and kill them to get a hold of it.
We know through Christ, that our glorious Father which is in heaven
never commands anyone to kill, but rather to love and convert the
unconverted. Yet Jews and some Christians want us to believe, that YHVH,
though "the same yesterday, today and tomorrow" gave dispensation to
Jews to commit the sins of both coveting and fratricide. Jews were to kill
their Semitic brothers, sisters and their children and life-stock, in fact
they were to "kill all that breatheth" in the entire country, in order for
them to "occupy the land" and "reap where you have not sown". The
result was the horrific obscenity below, a genocidal holocaust of gigantic
proportions.
--------
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as YHVH, the
God of Israel, commanded."
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Psalms 137:9 - Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little
ones against the stones.
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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User: "Aaron"

Title: Re: Spiritual Warfare 30 Oct 2006 05:26:07 PM
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:46:10 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
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The tribulation is still yet to come.


Not if you study propetic timeline and aply it to history timeline.
It is a done deal or "Prophecy fulfilled".
Do you want dates of it's beginning and end and any other particualars?

Aaron is right for once. We haven't seen yet the nuclear conflagration
the Bible prophesies. However we can all see Jews and some Christians
pushing hard to bring that about. They do that by invading, killing,
brutalizing, antagonizing and insulting Muslims in their own countries no
less, who are rich enough to buy any amount of surplus nuclear war-heads
from impoverished and corrupt Russian generals, ...along with the
scientists to make them usable against their tormentors, us.
See below


LOL Frank you seem to think that Jesus is evil for destroying evil.

Tell what "evil" Jews were commanded to "destroy" exactly in the below
holocaust?

There is no holocaust described below.
There was only one Holocaust. Only neonazis attempt to pretend that
there was more than one.
As for the obedience that the Jews did for God below, you already know
that the Jews were not even the ones to do all that you accuse them of
below. You also know that Jesus/YHVH commanded the Jews to destroy
certain evil idolaters. But lets go on a case by case examination.
BTW: We have been through this before many times and you seem to think
that no one who reads your post can look up the passages and see that
you are misrepresenting what the bible actually says and in some cases
outright lying about what the bible says.


Pastor Frank

The below atrocities were committed shortly after the God of the Jews,
YHWH, gave Moses the 10 commandments, forbidding Jews to covet their
neighbour's property and kill them to get a hold of it.

Yes, He made this Commandment to Jew and Gentile alike. The Jews did
not seek to take land from other people, God (Jesus commanded them to
punish the idolaters who had committed evil actions in His land that
He had already given to the Jews. Yet you covet the Land of Israel to
establish new terrorist bases for the Jihad. The people that you
support murder woman and children and you support their evil with
glee.

We know through Christ, that our glorious Father which is in heaven
never commands anyone to kill, but rather to love and convert the
unconverted.

Frank, if you bothered reading the Gospels, you would know that
Jesus/YHVH commanded His followers to obey all the Commandments of the
Torah (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy). If you
bother reading these, you learn that Jesus commanded the killing of
certain criminals. If you reading the Old Testament, you learn that
Jesus/YHVH commanded the killing of many pagans when He delivered the
Land of Israel to the Children of Israel.

Yet Jews and some Christians want us to believe, that YHVH,
though "the same yesterday, today and tomorrow" gave dispensation to
Jews to commit the sins of both coveting and fratricide.

No, God gave the land to Israel centuries earlier and the people who
were living in Israel were stealing that land from the People of
Israel. Moreover, those thieving pagans committed the worst forms of
idolatry including incenerating their first born children, and cross
breeding their daughters with nifelim (demons).

Jews were to kill
their Semitic brothers, sisters and their children and life-stock, in fact
they were to "kill all that breatheth" in the entire country, in order for
them to "possess the land" and "reap where they have not sown". The
result was the horrific obscenity below, a genocidal holocaust of gigantic
proportions.

The Hamites who occupied the Land of Israel were not Semitic.
This is detailed in the Bible. You really should read it sometime.
Frank, there was only one Holocaust. Your attempt to misuse the word
is
yet another demonstration of your anti-Semitism.

--------
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."

So, the Bible makes it clear that there were NO "palestinians" in
Israel. Good; that means that they have no legal claim to Israeli
land today. That having been esablished lets look at the rest of
your position.
Didn't you even read this before you posted it? It directly says
that God Himself commanded the execution of the idolater who occupied
Israel.
You want to condemn Israel for what God COMMANDED?????
You are calling God's actions evil.
Are you a Satanist???

Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."

Yes, this is part ot the message that God sent to the Pharoah of
Egypt. Are you trying to call God "evil"???
Frank, I thought you were an Atheist, but you sound like a Satanist.

Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"

Yes, God did command an angel to slay any Jew who had converted to any
religion other than Judaism.
What exactly is your point? You claimed that these verses were about
the Jews taking action against a people which did not exist when these
books of the Bible were written. Your claim was foolish to begin
with, but your quotes make no sence at all. Did you think that people
would be too stupid to look up the verses to see if you were taking
quotes out of context, or maybe even making things up completely? if
so, you were wrong. You have been caught attempting to use the Word
of God to promote your lie.

Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.

Are you sure that the King Jimmy Translation calls the Pagans
"Infidels"?? You are using Islamic terminiology that does not apply
to these Pagans. Since the Pagan nations never knew God, they could
not be unfaithful (infidel) to Him. The Bible calls them "Goyim,"
which is Hebrew for "nations/Pagans."
Additionally, the actual Bible uses the word "brit" where you have
typed "compromise." "Brit" means "covenant." So, God forbid Israel,
His People, from making a deal with pagans. You could apply this to
today's situation meaning that God forbids Muslims from living in
Israel and forbids anyone who believes in God from making a peace
treaty that allows these pagans to take any Israeli land.

Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as God, the God
of Israel, commanded."

So, God commanded all the pagans to be exected for defiling His land
and attempting to take it away from the Jews. God is the one in
charge of the Universe, so He can do that. To proove this fact, in
Joshua 10:12, God allows Joshua to issue a command to the Sun that it
stop in the sky until the battle was completed and then God caused the
Sun to obey Joshua's command. Obviously Joshua was nothing more than
a servant of God. Joshua obeyed God. It was God who decreed the
deaths of the Pagans who were living in Israel before the Jews took
possesion of the land that God gave to the Jews for all time. I would
not argue with God. Do you actually hate the Jews enough to claim God
sinned by ordering them to destroy these pagans? If so, go tell God
that you think that He is evil. LOL. We are all tired of hearing you
make these silly accusations against God.

1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

Frank, you left off verse 2.
"So Said HaShem, Master of Legions: 'I have remembered what Amalek did
to Israel - the ambush he emplaced against him on the way as he went
up from Egypt"
So you are complaining about something that God did!
If you don't like God or think that He has committed any evil action,
take it up with Him when you go to be judged, but don't blame the Jews
for what God said and did. Personally, I trust God, and believe that
since He commanded it, it must have been the right thing.

Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."

LOL
So, now you are blaming the Jews for what Darius the Meade did!
Frank, God chose to pay back Babylon for what they did to the Jews.
However he did not want to make the Jews do it. The Jews were/are not
violent enough to execute the sentance that God passed upon Babylon;
so, God made the Meades destroy Babylon. Haven't you bothered to read
the Bible?

Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."

Yes, the Jews in Samaria were horribly treated by the Assyrians. And
Yes, this happened because they stoped practicing Judaism and adopted
Pagan worship. I am not sure how this is supposed to illustrate Jews
hurting anyone since the Jews were the ones being hurt and killed.
Did you even bother to read the chapter before using this quote? Of
course, we also know that God destroyed Assyria for doing this - just
check a political map of the world, and you will see that Assyria is
not there anymore.

Psalms 137:9 - Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little
ones against the stones.

Frank, that is dishonest! You left off part of the verse. Let me
help:
"O daughter of Babylon, who has been violated, praiseworthy is the one
who repays you and your recompence for how you treated us praiseworthy
will be the one who will clutch and dash your infants against the
rock."
As you may not know, the Babylonians invaded Israel and were driven
back by King David. The Babylonians murdered Jewish infants when
they inbaded. While the Jews would not repay Babylon for this crime,
God caused Darius the Meade to invade Babylon and his Persian-Meadian
army did murder the infants of the Babylonians. And God blessed
them with all the wealth of Babylon for punishing the Babylonians
for their attack against Israel.

Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.

In Numbers 31:1&2, God (Jesus) ordered the execution of the
Midianites; in versees 17 & 18, Moses had to rebuke the Jews for being
too merciful. Frank, the Bible is full of incidents where the Jews
are too merciful to their enemies, just as we see today in the modern
nation of Israel.
Also, Frank, you changed verse 18. It Bible says "ishah (woman)," not
"female children." So not only do you hate what Jesus commanded, you
also lie about what the Bible says. You must really hate God! That
is why you Post to news groups pretending to be a Christian even
though you have admitted your Atheism, right?
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