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User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"
Date: 14 Feb 2004 09:26:04 PM
Object: Re: Tang versus the Noble Truths
Well, at least you have simplified it, thanks...
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What creates suffering is desire,
and what desire does is to attempt to bend the world to
fit its wishes, intellective, affective and otherwise.
When one abandons desire, one no longer attempts to fit
what happens into one's pigeon holes and simply takes it
in the raw, just the way it is. That absence of
resistance induces peace and happiness.

Tang Huyen


One cannot both 'abandon desire' and also 'simply take it (what
happens) in the raw, just the way it is'. These two instructions
contradict each other.


But these are not two instructions. The first (abandon desire)
is an instruction, the second (takes it in the raw) is said to
be the result of following the instruction.


To try to abandon desire is to try to change the way things are.
Are we to imagine that accepting the way things are will result
from trying to change the way things are?


Sorry, missed this in my previous post.

Short answer: Yes. But there are two "orders" of "the way things
are" involved. To conflate them constitutes a category error.


There are not two orders of things. One's desires are part of the way

things

are.


Having desires is the first order of "the way things are." It
creates unhappiness because a desire to change the second order
of "the way things are" (e.g., one has just been diagnosed with
terminal cancer) can't always be satisfied.

Changing the first order of "the way things are" is possible:
there are means to cease desiring. If one has no desires, then
one can accept without unhappiness the second order of "the way
things are" that cannot be changed.


Desires are part of the way things are. To try to change them is to try to
change the way things are. This is very simple stuff.

Pansy


(Doesn't mean you can't avail yourself of treatment for the
cancer, just that you won't be attached to the results such
that you'll be unhappy if the treatment doesn't work.)



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