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St Dog the Wet wrote:
THE BIGGEST LIE
Perhaps the Grandest Lie ever presented to mankind, and God's People,
is that God is the cause, and is to be blamed for, the Great
Tribulation which the false "God" of Modern Rome will cause.
All one has to do is read Revelation 3:10 and 4:1ff, to see that
judgments are being poured from God's throne in heaven, to test "them
who dwell on the earth", during the Tribulation. The judgments and
wrath proceed as God opens the seals of the book. God even sends strong
delusion upon those who love unrighteousness, so they will believe the
lie of the man of sin, as he sets himself up as God in the temple (2
Thess. 2). 1 Thessalonians 5 also shows it is the "Day of the Lord",
which overtakes the children of darkness with destruction. This is not
just a reference to eternal damnation, but to the events which lead up
to it--the Tribulation of Revelation 4-19.
The dragon will empower the beast (Rev. 13), and persecute the woman who
bare the man child (Israel), when he is cast down to earth, from heaven
(12:7-11), and becomes motivated by the knowledge his time till
judgment is short (12:12). At every point, the Tribulation is a program
under God's direction, to test those who dwell on the earth.
For the entire past generation, perhaps the last 80 years, the
writers, teachers and preachers of "the rapture" have been selling
this Doctrine of Devils to mankind. Embedded in and contained in the
false hope of their escape from Tribulation is the concealment of the
cause and source of the suffering the Church is to escape.
1) First, let it be noted, that escape from the Tribulation of
Revelation 4-19, is not escape from tribulation. To contend that is to
deny the church has ever had to go through tribulation, for the past
2,000 years. Second, if the Tribulation of Revelation 4-19 is a
necessary tribulation for the church to go through, then all the church
for the past 2,000 years has failed to go through *that* Tribulation.
2) Second, let it be noted who God's group of people are, who will go
through, and be saved out of the Tribulation of Revelation 4-19. The
Tribulation was foretold as the time of "Jacob's Trouble" (Jer. 30:7),
and Jacob is the one who will be saved out of the Tribulation:
Jeremiah 30
4 And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and
concerning Judah.
5 For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear,
and not of peace.
6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore
do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail,
and all faces are turned into paleness?
7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the
time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Notice, this prophecy was "concerning Israel and concerning Judah",
regarding the "time of Jacob's trouble". Israel is the subject of the
Tribulation, and will be saved out of it. This fits with Matthew 24ff.,
where Christ addresses the elect of Israel, and them who are in Judaea,
to instruct them to flee to the wilderness during the Tribulation, as
well as Revelation 12, where it says the woman who bare the man child
(Israel), will be protected from the dragon, in a place God prepares for
her in the wilderness (12:6). Revelation 7 shows it is 144,000 from
"all the children of the tribes of Israel", who shall be sealed by God.
This is the elect mentioned in Matthew 24, and Romans 11:25ff.,
confirms it is this same elect Israel--currently a blinded enemy of the
gospel--who shall be saved, when the time of the fulness of the Gentiles
(church age) has come in.
3) Third, let it be noted who is NOT said to go through the Tribulation.
18 times, when God is referring to that group of people who make up the
"church", He referred to the church as "church" (Revelation 2-3). Not
*once*, immediately after calling the church "church" 18 times, and
after John is called up to heaven to see what shall be "hereafter", does
God refer to the group of people who are sealed, or who are the subject
of Satan's persecution, or who go through the Tribulation of Revelation
4-19, as the "church". Is this not a striking contrast?
There's not one term--whether it be "brethren", "saint", etc., which is
used in Revelation 4-19, which has not been, or could not be accurately
applied to the nation Israel, and "Israel" is exactly whom God says His
people are during the Tribulation (Rev. 7, 12).
The entire world has become aware of the false hope of Christian's
escape, and they laugh at the ridiculous visions of cars running empty
on streets while Christians are whisked into the sky. The world
laughs; but they are not so blind or ignorant that they miss the
statement that it is God who brings this Tribulation on the world.
So the World knows Christians believe that God is the source and
causes of the Tribulation coming on the world. And who taught the
world this lie? Was it Satan? No, not as far as the world knows: it
was the Christianity
So Satan has used God's People to tell THE BIGGEST LIE to the entire
World!
Now, while Satan laughs, and the tribulation becomes impossible to
ignore or deny, the people of the world will blame Christians --
because, after all, the Church taught them that it is the God of
Abraham who is the cause of this Tribulation.
It's revealing to note that Owd has to appeal to and agree with the
"world" and his speculations about what "Satan" thinks, to find support
for his denial of the christian "hope". By his own admission, his
denial of the christian hope is inspired by the world and Satan.
TRUTH LOST
During the last generation the Church has lost the opportunity to
teach her people the Truth: That Modern Rome will soon rise to rule
the World; that Satan will occupy the body prepared for him and then
proclaim himself to be "God."
During this generation the Church has lost the opportunity to teach
the World the Truth: that Satan's conquest of the world and claiming
to be "God" is the cause of Tribulation.
I already responded to this point above. The seals of judgment are
opened from God's book and throne in heaven, and poured out to test
"them who dwell on the earth". It is when God casts Satan from heaven
to earth, that Israel begins to be persecuted by the dragon empowered
beast. At every point, the Tribulation is under God's direction, as a
time of testing for them who dwell on the earth.
Because The Church has failed to recognize this Doctrine of Devils,
and has failed to teach both God's People and the people of the world
the truth, the Church will endure the Tribulation of these Last Days.
****************
Make no mistake. The people 1 Thessalonians 5 and 2 Thessalonians 2
identifies as experiencing the Tribulation, are 1) children of darkness,
not children of light (1 Thess. 5), 2) those who received not the love
of the truth that they might be saved (2 Thess. 2:10), 3) those who had
pleasure in unrighteousness (2:12), 3) those whom *God* will send strong
delusion (2:11), and 4) those who will "perish" (2:10) and be "damned"
(2:12). These people are *NOT* the church!
The *gospel* of Christ's death and resurrection is the ONLY truth that
saves people, not faith that anti-christ will cause Tribulation. These
people who go through the Tribulation are those who reject the gospel,
depart from the faith, love unrighteousness, and become eternally damned
(2 Thess. 2). This is *NOT* the church!
****************
Because these false teachers and prophets have lied and added words to
the visions of John, they have added the wrath of the seven vials of
God's Wrath to their own lives.
What a hypocrite. You add a list of doctrines, ranging from the idea
that World War II to the flu epidemic are the indications God is opening
the seals of Revelation, to the prophecies in the book of Revelation,
then take away the doctrine of the millennial reign of Christ on earth.
You are the one who both adds to and takes away from the prophecies of
the book of Revelation.
If you are one who has believed the lies of the 'rapture' and the
'millennial reign of Christ on this earth,' and you will not abandon
these lies, you too will receive your portion of the vials of God's
Wrath.
If you are one who has believed these lies you will also endure the
laughter and ridicule of those who hate you -- when they discover you
can not escape.
Let me repeat, it is NOT faith in or denial of the rapture, millennial
reign of Christ, or the idea anti-christ causes the Tribulation, that
results in either salvation or damnation! *ONLY* faith in Christ's
death resurrection can result in salvation, and only rejection of this
truth can result in damnation. To contend otherwise is to proclaim a
false gospel that will result in eternal damnation (Gal. 1:8-9).
Those 1 Thessalonians 5 and 2 Thessalonians 2 identify as rejecting the
love of the truth that they might be saved (and it is faith in the
gospel of Jesus Christ, not faith that the anti-christ will cause
tribulation, that saves), being deceived by anti-christ, and receiving
strong delusion, are those who rejected the gospel, and who will be
eternally damned. This is *NOT* a reference to the church!
A Servant of God
His Witness
oldwetdog
--
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Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this finished work alone for salvation (1 Cor. 15:1-3;
Eph. 2:8-10). www.pulpitfire.org
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St Dog the Wet wrote:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On 5 Jun 2006 00:20:03 -0700, "Flowerchild8245"
<flowerchild8245@netzero.com> spake thusly:
BIBLE!
Every eye shall see Him, Even those who pierced Him...
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him,
and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall
wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Some may say the reason those who pierced Him see Him is because the
Resurrection happenned,But the Bible says that the resurrection happens
after He comes. Some may say the reason those who pierced Him see Him
means those who saw Him had to have been alive physically.
Maybe the reason every eye shall see Him, even those who pierced Him,
is because ALL shall see Him after He calls us from the grave, because
"all kindreds" of the Earth shall wail because of Him. "All kindreds"
means "race" or "clan", and that's just about everyone...Then and Now.
THE BIGGEST LIE
Perhaps the Grandest Lie ever presented to mankind, and God's People, is
that God is the cause, and is to be blamed for, the Great Tribulation
which the false "God" of Modern Rome will cause.
All one has to do is read Revelation 3:10 and 4:1ff, to see that
judgments are being poured from God's throne in heaven, to test "them
who dwell on the earth", during the Tribulation. The judgments and
wrath proceed as God opens the seals of the book. God even sends strong
delusion upon those who love unrighteousness, so they will believe the
lie of the man of sin, as he sets himself up as God in the temple (2
Thess. 2). 1 Thessalonians 5 also shows it is the "Day of the Lord",
which overtakes the children of darkness with destruction. This is not
just a reference to eternal damnation, but to the events which lead up
to it--the Tribulation of Revelation 4-19.
The dragon will empower the beast (Rev. 13), and persecute the woman who
bare the man child (Israel), when he is cast down to earth, from heaven
(12:7-11), and becomes motivated by the knowledge his time till
judgment is short (12:12). At every point, the Tribulation is a program
under God's direction, to test those who dwell on the earth.
For the entire past generation, perhaps the last 80 years, the writers,
teachers and preachers of "the rapture" have been selling this Doctrine
of Devils to mankind. Embedded in and contained in the false hope of
their escape from Tribulation is the concealment of the cause and source
of the suffering the Church is to escape.
1) First, let it be noted, that escape from the Tribulation of
Revelation 4-19, is not escape from tribulation. To contend that is to
deny the church has ever had to go through tribulation, for the past
2,000 years. Second, if the Tribulation of Revelation 4-19 is a
necessary tribulation for the church to go through, then all the church
for the past 2,000 years has failed to go through *that* Tribulation.
2) Second, let it be noted who God's group of people are, who will go
through, and be saved out of the Tribulation of Revelation 4-19. The
Tribulation was foretold as the time of "Jacob's Trouble" (Jer. 30:7),
and Jacob is the one who will be saved out of the Tribulation:
Jeremiah 30
4 And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and
concerning Judah.
5 For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear,
and not of peace.
6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore
do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail,
and all faces are turned into paleness?
7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the
time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Notice, this prophecy was "concerning Israel and concerning Judah",
regarding the "time of Jacob's trouble". Israel is the subject of the
Tribulation, and will be saved out of it. This fits with Matthew 24ff.,
where Christ addresses the elect of Israel, and them who are in Judaea,
to instruct them to flee to the wilderness during the Tribulation, as
well as Revelation 12, where it says the woman who bare the man child
(Israel), will be protected from the dragon, in a place God prepares for
her in the wilderness (12:6). Revelation 7 shows it is 144,000 from
"all the children of the tribes of Israel", who shall be sealed by God.
This is the elect mentioned in Matthew 24, and Romans 11:25ff.,
confirms it is this same elect Israel--currently a blinded enemy of the
gospel--who shall be saved, when the time of the fulness of the Gentiles
(church age) has come in.
3) Third, let it be noted who is NOT said to go through the Tribulation.
18 times, when God is referring to that group of people who make up
the "church", He referred to the church as "church" (Revelation 2-3).
Not *once*, immediately after calling the church "church" 18 times, and
after John is called up to heaven to see what shall be "hereafter", does
God refer to the group of people who are sealed, or who are the subject
of Satan's persecution, or who go through the Tribulation of Revelation
4-19, as the "church". Is this not a striking contrast?
There's not one term--whether it be "brethren", "saint", etc., which is
used in Revelation 4-19, which has not been, or could not be accurately
applied to the nation Israel, and "Israel" is exactly whom God says His
people are during the Tribulation (Rev. 7, 12).
The entire world has become aware of the false hope of Christian's
escape, and they laugh at the ridiculous visions of cars running empty
on streets while Christians are whisked into the sky. The world laughs;
but they are not so blind or ignorant that they miss the statement that
it is God who brings this Tribulation on the world.
So the World knows Christians believe that God is the source and causes
of the Tribulation coming on the world. And who taught the world this
lie? Was it Satan? No, not as far as the world knows: it was the
Christianity
So Satan has used God's People to tell THE BIGGEST LIE to the entire World!
Now, while Satan laughs, and the tribulation becomes impossible to
ignore or deny, the people of the world will blame Christians --
because, after all, the Church taught them that it is the God of Abraham
who is the cause of this Tribulation.
It's revealing to note that Owd has to appeal to and agree with the
"world" and his speculations about what "Satan" thinks, to find support
for his denial of the christian "hope". By his own admission, his
denial of the christian hope is inspired by the world and Satan.
TRUTH LOST
During the last generation the Church has lost the opportunity to teach
her people the Truth: That Modern Rome will soon rise to rule the World;
that Satan will occupy the body prepared for him and then proclaim
himself to be "God."
During this generation the Church has lost the opportunity to teach the
World the Truth: that Satan's conquest of the world and claiming to be
"God" is the cause of Tribulation.
I already responded to this point above. The seals of judgment are
opened from God's book and throne in heaven, and poured out to test
"them who dwell on the earth". It is when God casts Satan from heaven
to earth, that Israel begins to be persecuted by the dragon empowered
beast. At every point, the Tribulation is under God's direction, as a
time of testing for them who dwell on the earth.
Because The Church has failed to recognize this Doctrine of Devils, and
has failed to teach both God's People and the people of the world the
truth, the Church will endure the Tribulation of these Last Days.
****************
Make no mistake. The people 1 Thessalonians 5 and 2 Thessalonians 2
identifies as experiencing the Tribulation, are 1) children of darkness,
not children of light (1 Thess. 5), 2) those who received not the love
of the truth that they might be saved (2 Thess. 2:10), 3) those who had
pleasure in unrighteousness (2:12), 3) those whom *God* will send strong
delusion (2:11), and 4) those who will "perish" (2:10) and be "damned"
(2:12). These people are *NOT* the church!
The *gospel* of Christ's death and resurrection is the ONLY truth that
saves people, not faith that anti-christ will cause Tribulation. These
people who go through the Tribulation are those who reject the gospel,
depart from the faith, love unrighteousness, and become eternally damned
(2 Thess. 2). This is *NOT* the church!
****************
Because these false teachers and prophets have lied and added words to
the visions of John, they have added the wrath of the seven vials of
God's Wrath to their own lives.
What a hypocrite. You add a list of doctrines, ranging from the idea
that World War II to the flu epidemic are the indications God is opening
the seals of Revelation, to the prophecies in the book of Revelation,
then take away the doctrine of the millennial reign of Christ on earth.
You are the one who both adds to and takes away from the prophecies of
the book of Revelation.
If you are one who has believed the lies of the 'rapture' and the
'millennial reign of Christ on this earth,' and you will not abandon
these lies, you too will receive your portion of the vials of God's Wrath.
If you are one who has believed these lies you will also endure the
laughter and ridicule of those who hate you -- when they discover you
can not escape.
Let me repeat, it is NOT faith in or denial of the rapture, millennial
reign of Christ, or the idea anti-christ causes the Tribulation, that
results in either salvation or damnation! *ONLY* faith in Christ's
death resurrection can result in salvation, and only rejection of this
truth can result in damnation. To contend otherwise is to proclaim a
false gospel that will result in eternal damnation (Gal. 1:8-9).
Those 1 Thessalonians 5 and 2 Thessalonians 2 identify as rejecting the
love of the truth that they might be saved (and it is faith in the
gospel of Jesus Christ, not faith that the anti-christ will cause
tribulation, that saves), being deceived by anti-christ, and receiving
strong delusion, are those who rejected the gospel, and who will be
eternally damned. This is *NOT* a reference to the church!
A Servant of God
His Witness
oldwetdog
--
=============================================
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this finished work alone for salvation (1 Cor. 15:1-3;
Eph. 2:8-10). www.pulpitfire.org
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09 Jun 2006 12:30:38 PM |
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Pulpitfire wrote:
St Dog the Wet wrote:
THE BIGGEST LIE
Perhaps the Grandest Lie ever presented to mankind, and God's People,
is that God is the cause, and is to be blamed for, the Great
Tribulation which the false "God" of Modern Rome will cause.
All one has to do is read Revelation 3:10 and 4:1ff, to see that
judgments are being poured from God's throne in heaven, . . .
.. . . so thinking and understanding aren't important.
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09 Jun 2006 11:10:59 PM |
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ªºª rrock wrote:
Pulpitfire wrote:
St Dog the Wet wrote:
THE BIGGEST LIE
Perhaps the Grandest Lie ever presented to mankind, and God's People,
is that God is the cause, and is to be blamed for, the Great
Tribulation which the false "God" of Modern Rome will cause.
All one has to do is read Revelation 3:10 and 4:1ff, to see that
judgments are being poured from God's throne in heaven, . . .
. . . so thinking and understanding aren't important.
next
What do you mean?
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Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this finished work alone for salvation (1 Cor. 15:1-3;
Eph. 2:8-10). www.pulpitfire.org
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