Religions > Bible > Re: The Catholic invention of a Savior who can't save : Purgatory and Limbo
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06 Feb 2007 03:52:35 PM |
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Re: The Catholic invention of a Savior who can't save : Purgatory and Limbo |
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 08:16:54 -0800, "checker@flapper.com" <checker@flapper.com>
wrote:
Of course to understand these scriptures fully, you must read more than
two lines that you have hand picked. You need to pick up the context.
Most certainly.
Did Jesus save all the people that spit in his face? He forgave them,
but were they saved?
What's the difference? God is all love.
Did He forgive ALL OF THEIR SINS? No. Not unless they received Him
by faith.
NO, not unless they went to confession.
And ONLY those who receive Jesus by faith are forgiven all of their
sins.
Sorry, checker, that's not true. You said yourself, in your reference to Heb
10:26-27, that unless you clean up your act and repent that only the fires of
hell await the "believer in Christ. There is no faith if you continue to sin.
And you well know that faith without works is dead faith. James 2:26.
And you know that Christ put the Apostles in charge of sin.
So that means that you don't have faith in God unless you repent of your
sinfulness and stop it, change your ways towards others and go to confession,
you're booked to go.
According to scripture.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: The Catholic invention of a Savior who can't save : Purgatory and Limbo |
06 Feb 2007 07:09:09 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 08:16:54 -0800, "checker@flapper.com"
<checker@flapper.com>
wrote:
Of course to understand these scriptures fully, you must read more than
two lines that you have hand picked. You need to pick up the context.
Most certainly.
Did Jesus save all the people that spit in his face? He forgave them,
but were they saved?
What's the difference? God is all love.
Did He forgive ALL OF THEIR SINS? No. Not unless they received Him
by faith.
NO, not unless they went to confession.
And ONLY those who receive Jesus by faith are forgiven all of their
sins.
Sorry, checker, that's not true. You said yourself, in your reference to
Heb
10:26-27, that unless you clean up your act and repent that only the fires
of
hell await the "believer in Christ. There is no faith if you continue to
sin.
And you well know that faith without works is dead faith. James 2:26.
And you know that Christ put the Apostles in charge of sin.
So that means that you don't have faith in God unless you repent of your
sinfulness and stop it, change your ways towards others and go to
confession,
you're booked to go.
According to scripture.
The Bibles are nothing more than books of myths, fables, contradictions,
human and animal sacrifices, genocide, slaveholding, misogyny, destruction,
barbarisms, and impossible tales. They are not accurate history and
certainly are not the words of any god unless he is an insane and totally
untrustworthy monster. They are not even good fiction.
The Bibles are a foundation of quicksand. There are NO ORIGINALS in
existence. Why would not any 'real' God protect the originals??? What are
available are altered copies of copies by unknown men of questionable
veracity. The books of the Bibles were written over 1,000 years before the
invention of the printing press. Even the so called originals were
supposedly written by 56 or more different authors of unknown veracity. They
are biased by, and dependent on the writings and opinions of the clergy. And
the status and survival of the clergy is totally dependent on their follower's
belief in their Bible stories. There are 18 different English versions alone
and there is no way of knowing how far they have wondered from the
originals.
And there is no evidence that even the originals are facts instead of
fiction.
duke, American-American
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: The Catholic invention of a Savior who can't save : Purgatory and Limbo |
07 Feb 2007 05:18:55 PM |
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On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:09:09 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
The Bibles are nothing more than books of myths, fables, contradictions,
human and animal sacrifices, genocide, slaveholding, misogyny, destruction,
barbarisms, and impossible tales.
Bill, nobody cares what you think. You're welcome to die in your ignorance.
It's between you and God, not you and me.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: The Catholic invention of a Savior who can't save : Purgatory and Limbo |
07 Feb 2007 08:59:51 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 08:16:54 -0800, "checker@flapper.com"
<checker@flapper.com>
wrote:
Of course to understand these scriptures fully, you must read more than
two lines that you have hand picked. You need to pick up the context.
Most certainly.
Did Jesus save all the people that spit in his face? He forgave them,
but were they saved?
What's the difference? God is all love.
And this is your all loving god??? go see a competent psychiatrist!
Powerful evidence that no REAL gods exist.
A primary one is that there are thousands of different gods and god beliefs.
Any REAL god would surely make it abundantly clear, that he is the real god
and all the others are fakes. He would surely use his unlimited power to
expose and eliminate all the fakes.
This all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent designer, would
not create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Earth Quakes,
Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation all of which punish people indiscriminately
regardless of their behavior or religious beliefs. If he did he would not be
an all loving all caring god but a brutal malevolent creature or nothing at
all. There are 12,000 known diseases that torture and kill man. The reality
is that no all loving and all powerful god would create or permit these
diseases to punish men of all religious persuasion and particularly totally
INNOCENT CHILDREN.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that prayer to ANY god produces
any beneficial result.
There is a similar quantity of diseases that punish animals. Animals don't
sin. Why are they being punished??? Why were animals created to kill and eat
other animals?
Why is man born helpless and required to be nurtured, protected and trained
by adult parents for up to twenty years and then experience a punishing
physical and mental deterioration for approximately twenty years before
death? Is this evidence of a loving
caring god???
If God exists, either he can do nothing to stop the most
egregious calamities, or he just does not care. God, therefore, is either
impotent, evil or does not exist. The later is the most logical.
This is all so illogical and ridiculous that it has to be the mythical
creation of men.
Religion is things hoped for but not yet seen or proven. Science is things
seen and proven but not necessarily hoped for.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created imaginary gods! (thousands of them!)
Did He forgive ALL OF THEIR SINS? No. Not unless they received Him
by faith.
NO, not unless they went to confession.
And ONLY those who receive Jesus by faith are forgiven all of their
sins.
Sorry, checker, that's not true. You said yourself, in your reference to
Heb
10:26-27, that unless you clean up your act and repent that only the fires
of
hell await the "believer in Christ. There is no faith if you continue to
sin.
And you well know that faith without works is dead faith. James 2:26.
And you know that Christ put the Apostles in charge of sin.
So that means that you don't have faith in God unless you repent of your
sinfulness and stop it, change your ways towards others and go to
confession,
you're booked to go.
According to scripture.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "R L Measures" |
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| Title: Re: The Catholic invention of a Savior who can't save : Purgatory and Limbo |
07 Feb 2007 09:45:31 AM |
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In article <GPlyh.6132$me.5537@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Bill M"
<wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:tgths29cm4fkav4rgkt23rud397fim3g9l@4ax.com...
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 08:16:54 -0800, "checker@flapper.com"
<checker@flapper.com>
wrote:
Of course to understand these scriptures fully, you must read more than
two lines that you have hand picked. You need to pick up the context.
Most certainly.
Did Jesus save all the people that spit in his face? He forgave them,
but were they saved?
What's the difference? God is all love.
And this is your all loving god??? go see a competent psychiatrist!
Powerful evidence that no REAL gods exist.
A primary one is that there are thousands of different gods and god beliefs.
Any REAL god would surely make it abundantly clear, that he is the real god
and all the others are fakes. He would surely use his unlimited power to
expose and eliminate all the fakes.
This all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent designer, would
not create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Earth Quakes,
Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation all of which punish people indiscriminately
regardless of their behavior or religious beliefs. If he did he would not be
an all loving all caring god but a brutal malevolent creature or nothing at
all. There are 12,000 known diseases that torture and kill man. The reality
is that no all loving and all powerful god would create or permit these
diseases to punish men of all religious persuasion and particularly totally
INNOCENT CHILDREN.
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However, Since Roman Catholicism teaches that suffering is one of the
Blessed paths to salvation, the RC God is actually doing us a favor with
fatal diseases, earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, and all of the
other bad *****.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: The Catholic invention of a Savior who can't save : Purgatory and Limbo |
07 Feb 2007 05:20:29 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:45:31 -0800, (R L Measures) wrote:
However, Since Roman Catholicism teaches that suffering is one of the
Blessed paths to salvation, the RC God is actually doing us a favor with
fatal diseases, earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, and all of the
other bad *****.
1. That's not Roman Catholicism, that's Christianity.
2. Man trying to act as a god created those things, not God almighty.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "R L Measures" |
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| Title: Re: The Catholic invention of a Savior who can't save : Purgatory and Limbo |
07 Feb 2007 05:48:45 PM |
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In article <ljnks2d7t8bn4lev4djcckmoktpkllhe15@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:45:31 -0800, (R L Measures) wrote:
However, Since Roman Catholicism teaches that suffering is one of the
Blessed paths to salvation, the RC God is actually doing us a favor with
fatal diseases, earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, and all of the
other bad *****.
1. That's not Roman Catholicism, that's Christianity.
2. Man trying to act as a god created those things, not God almighty.
?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: The Catholic invention of a Savior who can't save : Purgatory and Limbo |
08 Feb 2007 04:44:40 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:48:45 -0800, (R L Measures) wrote:
In article <ljnks2d7t8bn4lev4djcckmoktpkllhe15@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:45:31 -0800, (R L Measures) wrote:
However, Since Roman Catholicism teaches that suffering is one of the
Blessed paths to salvation, the RC God is actually doing us a favor with
fatal diseases, earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, and all of the
other bad *****.
1. That's not Roman Catholicism, that's Christianity.
2. Man trying to act as a god created those things, not God almighty.
?
Dot ? is a good response.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "R L Measures" |
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| Title: Re: The Catholic invention of a Savior who can't save : Purgatory and Limbo |
08 Feb 2007 04:46:53 PM |
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In article <2u9ns216gic86am4l3l6vuqu8t8m5gh55h@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:48:45 -0800, (R L Measures) wrote:
In article <ljnks2d7t8bn4lev4djcckmoktpkllhe15@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:45:31 -0800, (R L Measures) wrote:
However, Since Roman Catholicism teaches that suffering is one of the
Blessed paths to salvation, the RC God is actually doing us a favor with
fatal diseases, earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, and all of the
other bad *****.
1. That's not Roman Catholicism, that's Christianity.
2. Man trying to act as a god created those things, not God almighty.
?
Dot ? is a good response.
A dot it is not, it's an apple with a bite bitten out.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: The Catholic invention of a Savior who can't save : Purgatory and Limbo |
08 Feb 2007 05:01:35 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:46:53 -0800, (R L Measures) wrote:
However, Since Roman Catholicism teaches that suffering is one of the
Blessed paths to salvation, the RC God is actually doing us a favor with
fatal diseases, earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, and all of the
other bad *****.
1. That's not Roman Catholicism, that's Christianity.
2. Man trying to act as a god created those things, not God almighty.
?
Dot ? is a good response.
A dot it is not, it's an apple with a bite bitten out.
You're getting a little weird now, pharlap.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "R L Measures" |
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| Title: Re: The Catholic invention of a Savior who can't save : Purgatory and Limbo |
09 Feb 2007 04:56:56 AM |
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In article <vkans25hnhkhioh7pt6qvfrfh7dacdmu7b@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:46:53 -0800, (R L Measures) wrote:
However, Since Roman Catholicism teaches that suffering is one
of the
Blessed paths to salvation, the RC God is actually doing us a
favor with
fatal diseases, earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, and
all of the
other bad *****.
1. That's not Roman Catholicism, that's Christianity.
2. Man trying to act as a god created those things, not God almighty.
?
Dot ? is a good response.
A dot it is not, it's an apple with a bite bitten out.
You're getting a little weird now, pharlap.
If you were using a UNIX-based OS, you would see the bitten apple.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: The Catholic invention of a Savior who can't save : Purgatory and Limbo |
09 Feb 2007 07:25:46 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 02:56:56 -0800, (R L Measures) wrote:
In article <vkans25hnhkhioh7pt6qvfrfh7dacdmu7b@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:46:53 -0800, (R L Measures) wrote:
However, Since Roman Catholicism teaches that suffering is one
of the
Blessed paths to salvation, the RC God is actually doing us a
favor with
fatal diseases, earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, and
all of the
other bad *****.
1. That's not Roman Catholicism, that's Christianity.
2. Man trying to act as a god created those things, not God almighty.
?
Dot ? is a good response.
A dot it is not, it's an apple with a bite bitten out.
You're getting a little weird now, pharlap.
If you were using a UNIX-based OS, you would see the bitten apple.
Wow.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "R L Measures" |
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| Title: Re: The Catholic invention of a Savior who can't save : Purgatory and Limbo |
09 Feb 2007 08:53:37 AM |
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In article <2itos2p6qtbmot7d9u8cvriqs2hbaapqhp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 02:56:56 -0800, (R L Measures) wrote:
In article <vkans25hnhkhioh7pt6qvfrfh7dacdmu7b@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:46:53 -0800, (R L Measures) wrote:
However, Since Roman Catholicism teaches that suffering is one
of the
Blessed paths to salvation, the RC God is actually doing us a
favor with
fatal diseases, earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, and
all of the
other bad *****.
1. That's not Roman Catholicism, that's Christianity.
2. Man trying to act as a god created those things, not God
almighty.
?
Dot ? is a good response.
A dot it is not, it's an apple with a bite bitten out.
You're getting a little weird now, pharlap.
If you were using a UNIX-based OS, you would see the bitten apple.
Wow.
Which only impresses the Windowsฎ crowd.
cheers
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