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"Pastor Frank" |
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24 Apr 2005 09:49:57 PM |
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Re: THE CHRISTIAN FERRY TALE |
"wmech" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:46Tae.118429$wo1.94112@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
People's religious beliefs are indeed weird and illogic.
According to Christian dogma, God consists of three Gods in one; God the
father, God the Son Jesus, and God the Holy Ghost.
Either that, or our holy and almighty God can, and does appear in any
form He so desires, but we are to look for Him in the form of the Father,
and of the Son .. as in Jesus Christ, and in the form of the Holy Spirit.
It's called the Modalist view, but it's the one which would make sense
to even a child, whose dad can appear in the form of good ol' dad, Santa,
the Tooth Fairy and many others.
This God created sin in the Garden of Eden by tempting Adam and Eve to eat
of the forbidden fruit and the placing this original sin on all billions
of
their progeny that followed over the centuries. This, despite the fact
that
these billions never touched this forbidden fruit. And why would this all
loving God create this entrapment in the first place?
You seem to have problems understanding ancient philosophical symbolism
and metaphor. Adam and Eve ate of the fruit (tasted the results) of the
knowledge of good and evil. Something only humans can do. This is what makes
humans opinionated and judgmental as well as manipulative, as you can see
already in a small child with tantrums, who enjoys making Mom and Dad jump
through hoops and get them to obey its every wish and command.
Pastor Frank
**Jesus Mt:18:11: For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
**Jesus in Jn:12:47: And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge
him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
**Jesus in Mt:11:28-30 "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened,
and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am
gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my
yoke is easy and my burden is light."
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| User: "Mike Rhodes" |
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| Title: Re: THE CHRISTIAN FERRY TALE |
25 Apr 2005 12:54:24 AM |
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:49:57 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"wmech" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:46Tae.118429$wo1.94112@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
People's religious beliefs are indeed weird and illogic.
According to Christian dogma, God consists of three Gods in one; God the
father, God the Son Jesus, and God the Holy Ghost.
Either that, or our holy and almighty God can, and does appear in any
form He so desires, but we are to look for Him in the form of the Father,
and of the Son .. as in Jesus Christ, and in the form of the Holy Spirit.
It's called the Modalist view, but it's the one which would make sense
to even a child, whose dad can appear in the form of good ol' dad, Santa,
the Tooth Fairy and many others.
You (or the 'modalist' view) read John's words too literally.
The story of the Gospel is that Christ was obedient to God unto death.
Therefore, God has glorified the Son beside Him. They are one in
heart and purpose, but not one in different forms. Even John, though
dramatic, wasn't so specific. John must be interpreted in one
direction or another. Christ's words most always described them as
not the same individual, so the interpretation would seem
simple—excepting John's rather dramatic wording.
Jesus was real to many in John's time. The fight was not to say that
Jesus existed but to say that He was the Son of God, and therefore, in
effect, equal to God. Christ said, "Not my will, but thine be done."
Jesus was obedient to the Father—why? Because He was He? No, and it
was never taught.
Christ taught a parable in Mark 6 about a man who built a vineyard to
be tended by others. The man sent servants (the prophets) to collect
of the fruits of the vineyard, but they were beaten and killed. Then
the man says, "I will send my son." Him they also killed, for He was
the heir. Jesus taught this as a message to the Jews that the
vineyard would be (and has) taken from them, and that they would be
destroyed. (Hmm..)
"The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone."
--
Mike
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: THE CHRISTIAN FURRY TAIL |
25 Apr 2005 04:14:54 AM |
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"Mike Rhodes earthlink.net>" <mrhodes_47<no@spam> wrote in message
news:ta0p611bu149q1oh0lmtanaasb0f3udctf@4ax.com...
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:49:57 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"wmech" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:46Tae.118429$wo1.94112@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
People's religious beliefs are indeed weird and illogic.
According to Christian dogma, God consists of three Gods in one; God the
father, God the Son Jesus, and God the Holy Ghost.
Either that, or our holy and almighty God can, and does appear in any
form He so desires, but we are to look for Him in the form of the Father,
and of the Son .. as in Jesus Christ, and in the form of the Holy Spirit.
It's called the Modalist view, but it's the one which would make sense
to even a child, whose dad can appear in the form of good ol' dad, Santa,
the Tooth Fairy and many others.
You (or the 'modalist' view) read John's words too literally.
The story of the Gospel is that Christ was obedient to God unto death.
Therefore, God has glorified the Son beside Him. They are one in
heart and purpose, but not one in different forms. Even John, though
dramatic, wasn't so specific. John must be interpreted in one
direction or another. Christ's words most always described them as
not the same individual, so the interpretation would seem
simple—excepting John's rather dramatic wording.
Jesus was real to many in John's time. The fight was not to say that
Jesus existed but to say that He was the Son of God, and therefore, in
effect, equal to God. Christ said, "Not my will, but thine be done."
Jesus was obedient to the Father—why? Because He was He? No, and it
was never taught.
Christ taught a parable in Mark 6 about a man who built a vineyard to
be tended by others. The man sent servants (the prophets) to collect
of the fruits of the vineyard, but they were beaten and killed. Then
the man says, "I will send my son." Him they also killed, for He was
the heir. Jesus taught this as a message to the Jews that the
vineyard would be (and has) taken from them, and that they would be
destroyed. (Hmm..)
"The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone."
Mike
I hear you and I have only my own personal view as a reply, for the
Bible doesn't spell it out unequivocally. I believe, that Christ is God
incarnate. In other words, I believe, that God the Father is God the Son and
is God the Holy Spirit and they are all the same person, NOT 3 persons. It
is the view of the child, which knows, that Dad can appear in many forms,
but is always the same Dad, no matter what his appearance, and who never
changes into another person.
This is called the Modalist view and is considered heretical by
mainstream Christianity. But what mainstream Christianity believes about the
trinity may be "wise and prudent" but is totally incompressible to a child.
I would rather believe the child, not only because of Okham's razor making
the simpler view always the correct one, but also because of Christ's
admonition below.
Pastor Frank
CHILDREN OF GOD
Jesus in Mt:11:25: At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O
Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from
the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Jesus in Mt:19:14: But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid
them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus in Lk:18:17: Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive
the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
Jesus in Mt:18:4: Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this
little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus in Mk:9:42: And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones
that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about
his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
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