Libertarius wrote:

Terry Cross wrote:

Libertarius wrote:

Terry Cross wrote:

Christopher A. Lee wrote:

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:43:15 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:

===>The original rule is correct.
It does not imply that you can do ANYTHING to others without their
permission, but prohibits you from doing to others anything you would
not want done to yurself. It is really a principle of reciprocal
freedom, a libertarian ideal. -- L.

No it assumes he wants what you want.

Generally, human beings are so similar, presuming the other person
needs what you need is a reasonable presumption.

===>The ORIGINAL says DO NOT ASSUME he wants what you want.

Hillel's rule imagines the majority of human contact consists of
unwanted interference. It presumes people would be happiest when
marooned in solitary.

===>Nonsense. It merely asks you to respect the privacy of
your neighbor.

Jesus' rule recognizes that people are naturally social.

===>The twisted version attributed to the "Jesus" character
assumes you have the right to do things to others, whether
they want it or not, so long as you think you would wish the
same thing done to you.

If you would like permission asked of you, why would you not grant your
neighbor the same courtesy? Such is the intelligent application of the
golden rule.

A masochist, you like to be whipped.
SO, you are told to beat up others, because that is
what you wish to be done to yourself. WOW! How kind!

The world of sadism and masochism is already lost to sanity and beyond
ethical reasoning. You might as well contrive ethical rules for foxes
and ravens.

This is the basis of the Inquisition and the Jihad! -- L.

If the golden rule were the basis for the Inquisition, we would have
Inquisitions from the first Christian kingdom until today - but we do
not. The Inquisition was a localized and short-lived aberration in a
society that was hardly Christian from its inception.

===>You are so ignorant!
Fighting "heretics" is part of the Christian history from the beginning.

Fighting heretics is the essence of the abominable and bloody Mosaic
tradition. For example, consider Deuteronomy 13:

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you
love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go
and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have
known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one
end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to him or listen to him.
Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. 9 You must certainly
put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death,
and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone him to death, because he
tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of
Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be
afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.

12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is
giving you to live in 13 that wicked men have arisen among you and have
led the people of their town astray, saying, "Let us go and worship
other gods" (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe
and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved
that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must
certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it
completely, [a] both its people and its livestock. 16 Gather all the
plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely
burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD
your God. It is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt. 17 None
of those condemned things [b] shall be found in your hands, so that the
LORD will turn from his fierce anger; he will show you mercy, have
compassion on you, and increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to
your forefathers, 18 because you obey the LORD your God, keeping all
his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his
eyes.

Jesus had no golden robes, nor palaces, nor sceptor, nor armies to
enforce his will.

===>Who told his followers to sell their coats and buy swords? -- L.

And where does it tell you what to do with your sword?

instrument of offense or defense?

not tell you.

And in any case, that passage is not the golden rule, the subject of
this thread

Terry Cross wrote:

Libertarius wrote:

===>"Do onto others" is the principle of the Inquisition and
the Jihad! -- L.

Does saying it twice in the same thread prove the brilliance of the
comment?

If the golden rule were the basis for the Inquisition, we would have
Inquisitions from the first Christian kingdom until today - but we do
not. The Inquisition was a localized and short-lived aberration in a
society that was hardly Christian from its inception.

===>Who said all Chriostian atrocities were committen by the
Inquisition?
It was just ONE EXAMPLE of the use of that crazy
gold-plated rule. -- L.

Terry Cross wrote:

Libertarius wrote:

===>"Do onto others" is the principle of the Inquisition and
the Jihad! -- L.

Does saying it twice in the same thread prove the brilliance of the
comment?

If the golden rule were the basis for the Inquisition, we would have
Inquisitions from the first Christian kingdom until today - but we do
not. The Inquisition was a localized and short-lived aberration in a
society that was hardly Christian from its inception.

Jesus had no golden robes, nor palaces, nor sceptor, nor armies to
enforce his will. He said

Matthew 10:14
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye
depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

Where is the Inquisition in the teachings of Jesus?
TCross

"Matt 10:34 "Do not suppose that I came to bring peace to the earth: I
did not come to bring peace but a sword."

Luk 12:49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it
be already kindled?

Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let
him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let
him sell his garment, and buy one.

Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Mar 11:15 And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple,
and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and
overthrew the tables

Luke 23:2 We found this [fellow] perverting the nation, and forbidding
to give tribute to Caesar, saying that he himself is an anointed one, a
king !"

Thus, "The Tragedy of Barabbas".

The person of whom you have become unnaturally enamored is not a Jew
but is the Apollonius of Tyana character.

"http://www.livius.org/ap-ark/apollonius/apollonius01.html
"The charismatic teacher and miracle worker Apollonius lived in the
first century AD."