"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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If someone used your name in poetry, would you cease to exist ?

If my ancestress would be a poetry - I am afraid I would not be able to
start.

Is Jesus a lie when his ancestress, Ruth, is a poetry figure?

Magda

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:26:50 GMT, "Streamer" <jcjuno@optonline.net>
wrote:

1Co:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of
God:
for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they
are spiritually discerned.

You might not know why I gave you that verse.

Because we lack spiritual discernment?

But of what use is spiritual discernment if all you folks that claim
to have it can't agree on what you have discerned spiritually? When
you aren't pretending to be somehow wiser than us 'natural men' you
are arguing among yourselves over who is and who isn't a 'True
Christian'!

No, your spiritual discernment doesn't help. As Martin Luther
observed, Christian theology just doesn't make sense."Reason is the
greatest enemy that faith has;" he said. " it never comes to the aid
of spiritual things, but -- more frequently than not-- struggles
against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from
God."

Personally I suspect that's because the so-called divine word emanates
from man, not God.

## The visionary lies to himself, the liar only to others.

Streamer wrote:

"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
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bibleverse2@yahoo.com wrote:

...The Lie...

"The serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die"

-- Genesis 3:4

"And the LORD God commanded the man,
saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Gen.
2:16-17)

"And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years:
and he died." (Gen. 5:5)

So, the snake told the truth: he did not surely die
"in the day that thou eatest thereof", did he?

So, WHO WAS LYING?
YHWH ELOHIM or the Talking Snake?
The snake actually said (which you sneakily omitted to note)
"Ye shall not surely die:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof,
then your eyes shall be opened,
and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

Which is confirmed by YHWH himself, when he says:
"Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil..."
(Genesis 3:22).

In fact the man was not immortal to begin with. He needed to eat
from another of the magic fruits of the story, i.e. that of the
"tree of life". But YHWH in his jealousy evicted him from his
garden before he could eat it.
"and now, lest he put forth his hand,
and take also of the tree of life,
and eat, and live for ever...
So he drove out the man;
and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims,
and a flaming sword which turned every way,
to keep the way of the tree of life." (Rest of Genesis 3. KJV)

So, you see, you need to read the entire story if you really
want to know what the writer was saying, instead of reading
your doctrinal prejudices into bits and pieces of it! -- L.

"...When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar,
and the father of it."

-- John 8:44

1Co:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of
God:
for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they
are spiritually discerned.

You might not know why I gave you that verse.

===>Ah, but I do.
I used to cite it myself, when I was one of the misguided believers.
It is the Pauline way of dodging the bullets of truth and reality.
It is best, in that view, to be a "moron for Christ"
(MOROI DIA CHRISTON - 1 Cor. 4:10) -- L.

1Co:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of

for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because

are spiritually discerned.

You might not know why I gave you that verse.

===>Ah, but I do.
I used to cite it myself, when I was one of the misguided believers.
It is the Pauline way of dodging the bullets of truth and reality.
It is best, in that view, to be a "moron for Christ"
(MOROI DIA CHRISTON - 1 Cor. 4:10) -- L.

"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" wrote:

Very good LIBBY !!!!

===>Thanks, Glenn.
Good to see you 'round. -- L.

"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:41902F97.A1EF4EB2@Nothing_But_The.Truth...

bibleverse2@yahoo.com wrote:

...The Lie...

"The serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die"

-- Genesis 3:4

"And the LORD God commanded the man,
saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Gen.
2:16-17)

"And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years:
and he died." (Gen. 5:5)

So, the snake told the truth: he did not surely die
"in the day that thou eatest thereof", did he?

So, WHO WAS LYING?
YHWH ELOHIM or the Talking Snake?
The snake actually said (which you sneakily omitted to note)
"Ye shall not surely die:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof,
then your eyes shall be opened,
and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

Which is confirmed by YHWH himself, when he says:
"Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil..."
(Genesis 3:22).

In fact the man was not immortal to begin with. He needed to eat
from another of the magic fruits of the story, i.e. that of the
"tree of life". But YHWH in his jealousy evicted him from his
garden before he could eat it.
"and now, lest he put forth his hand,
and take also of the tree of life,
and eat, and live for ever...
So he drove out the man;
and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims,
and a flaming sword which turned every way,
to keep the way of the tree of life." (Rest of Genesis 3. KJV)

So, you see, you need to read the entire story if you really
want to know what the writer was saying, instead of reading
your doctrinal prejudices into bits and pieces of it! -- L.

"...When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar,
and the father of it."

-- John 8:44

"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" wrote:

Very good LIBBY !!!!

===>Thanks, Glenn.
Good to see you 'round. -- L.

"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:41902F97.A1EF4EB2@Nothing_But_The.Truth...

bibleverse2@yahoo.com wrote:

...The Lie...

"The serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die"

-- Genesis 3:4

"And the LORD God commanded the man,
saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Gen.
2:16-17)

"And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years:
and he died." (Gen. 5:5)

So, the snake told the truth: he did not surely die
"in the day that thou eatest thereof", did he?

So, WHO WAS LYING?
YHWH ELOHIM or the Talking Snake?
The snake actually said (which you sneakily omitted to note)
"Ye shall not surely die:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof,
then your eyes shall be opened,
and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

Which is confirmed by YHWH himself, when he says:
"Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil..."
(Genesis 3:22).

In fact the man was not immortal to begin with. He needed to eat
from another of the magic fruits of the story, i.e. that of the
"tree of life". But YHWH in his jealousy evicted him from his
garden before he could eat it.
"and now, lest he put forth his hand,
and take also of the tree of life,
and eat, and live for ever...
So he drove out the man;
and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims,
and a flaming sword which turned every way,
to keep the way of the tree of life." (Rest of Genesis 3. KJV)

So, you see, you need to read the entire story if you really
want to know what the writer was saying, instead of reading
your doctrinal prejudices into bits and pieces of it! -- L.

"...When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar,
and the father of it."

-- John 8:44