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A LONG DAY'S JOURNEY INTO LIGHT - Farrell Till
Once the seeds of doubt had been planted in my mind, I began to see that

the

Bible wasn't a book with just a few problems; it was riddled with
inconsistencies, discrepancies, contradictions, and absurdities.
As long as
I believed that the Bible was inerrant, for example, I was able to
rationalize the barbaric nature of God as presented in the Old

Testament. I

accepted the premise that God was not immoral in ordering the massacre

of

children and babies (Num. 31:17; 1 Sam. 15:3), for if he could create

life,

he had the right to take life; if he killed children and babies in the
heathen nations around Israel, he was actually doing them a favor,

because

they would go to heaven rather than grow up to be like their wicked

parents.

To my embarrassment and discredit, I have to admit that I actually

preached

this kind of stuff when I was a fundamentalist minister. Once my faith

in

inerrancy was shaken, however, I was able to see the folly of stupid
attempts like these to justify the despicable conduct of the Hebrew god.
When I crossed that line, I had gone too far ever to turn back again.
from http://vanallens.com/exchristian/fartil.htm

just the example of what happened with farrell in his understanding of
numbers 31:17 alone should be a warning. for in the end, he cannot
see the wrath of God, the severity of the cross, the warning of jude
11 against "the error of balaam for profit," and the judgement of
sinners.

The old testament God is the new testament God:

jude11: Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed
for profit into Balaam's error; they have been destroyed in Korah's
rebellion.
12These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without
the slightest qualm--shepherds who feed only themselves. They are
clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without
fruit and uprooted--twice dead.
13They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering
stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.
14Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: "See, the
Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones
15to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly
acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words
ungodly sinners have spoken against him."
16These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil
desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own
advantage.

the error of balaam was his strategy for the midianites of moab to
seduce the israelites. balaam could not curse israel - and so his
plan was to seduce them into immorality and idolatry - so that God
himself would judge them.

numbers 31
15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them.
16 "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means
of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor,
so that a plague struck the LORD's people.
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a
man,

18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
sin has never been funny, nor has God ever been slight about sin -
only merciful in his forbearance towards sinners. esau was not
killed, cain was not killed, yet they both threatened the people of
God's existence and our salvation. but, balaam and these midianites
had proposed to curse God's people and to lead them to sin (as a
method of destroying them).
farrell till no longer teaches the God of the bible - but rather the
god of his imagination and design. a god who would not act upon the
sin of the israelites and a god who would not judge the source of that
sin (the conspirators: balaam and the midianites of moab) with the
penalty of death.
if one cannot understand the wrath of God towards sin then one will
have much trouble understanding the bloody cross.
for him, the cross surely must become redifined or else it is just
another example of, "the despicable conduct of the Hebrew god."

None of the above proves that the God of Christ, His Father which is in
Heaven, His beloved Abba, Daddy who "IS A SPIRIT" (John 4:24) and who dwells
visibly within Christ doing the work (Jesus in John 14:10) is the God of the
Jews YHWH.
I would advice anyone reading this post to believe what Jews have been
saying ever since Christ preached in Israel: ...The God of Christ is NOT the
God of the Jews.

None of the above proves that the God of Christ, His Father which is in
Heaven, His beloved Abba, Daddy who "IS A SPIRIT" (John 4:24) and who dwells
visibly within Christ doing the work (Jesus in John 14:10) is the God of the
Jews YHWH.

I would advice anyone reading this post to believe what Jews have been
saying ever since Christ preached in Israel: ...The God of Christ is NOT the
God of the Jews.

And we Christians praise our most holy and inerrant God for
it. We would otherwise be sorely amiss in not following His commandments
below to the letter, for nowhere does the Christ of the NT Bible tell us to
ignore His God's commandments, or that they have become null and void.

Pablo appears to follow the presently fashionable belief of the church,
requiring their members to be both Jews AND Christians, following the Old
Testament as well as the New Testament of the Bible ..... in word only, yet
not in Spirit.

"pablo" <rabit51@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Mark T" <mark@home.in.oz> wrote in message

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None of the above proves that the God of Christ, His Father which is in
Heaven, His beloved Abba, Daddy who "IS A SPIRIT" (John 4:24) and who dwells
visibly within Christ doing the work (Jesus in John 14:10) is the God of the
Jews YHWH.

I would advice anyone reading this post to believe what Jews have been
saying ever since Christ preached in Israel: ...The God of Christ is NOT the
God of the Jews.

And we Christians praise our most holy and inerrant God for
it.

We would otherwise be sorely amiss in not following His commandments
below to the letter, for nowhere does the Christ of the NT Bible tell us to
ignore His God's commandments, or that they have become null and void.

Pablo appears to follow the presently fashionable belief of the church,
requiring their members to be both Jews AND Christians, following the Old
Testament as well as the New Testament of the Bible ..... in word only, yet
not in Spirit.

I.e. The modern Christian church ignores Christ's most
important commandments, the Royal Law and the Golden Rule nearly as much, as
the Synagogue ignores YHWH's commandments listed below.

Pastor Frank

THE MOST IMPORTANT COMMANDMENTS CHRIST GAVE TO HIS FOLLOWERS:
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."

THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."

------------------------

THE COMMANDMENTS YHWH GAVE MOSES ON MT. SINAI:
Leviticus 20:9-27 If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to
death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his
own head.
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife-with the wife
of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
If a man sleeps with his father's wife, he has dishonored his
father. Both the man and the woman must be put to death; their blood
will be on their own heads.
If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be
put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be
on their own heads.
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them
have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood
will be on their own heads.
If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both
he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be
among you.
If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to
death, and you must kill the animal.
If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it,
kill both the woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their
blood will be on their own heads.
If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or
his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a disgrace. They must be
cut off before the eyes of their people. He has dishonored his sister and
will be held responsible.
If a man lies with a woman during her monthly period and has
sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her flow, and
she has also uncovered it. Both of them must be cut off from their people.
Do not have sexual relations with the sister of either your
mother or your father, for that would dishonor a close relative; both of
you would be held responsible.
If a man sleeps with his aunt, he has dishonored his uncle. They
will be held responsible; they will die childless.
If a man marries his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity; he
has dishonored his brother. They will be childless.
Keep all my decrees and laws and follow them, so that the land
where I am bringing you to live may not vomit you out.
You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going
to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred them.
But I said to you, "You will possess their land; I will give it to
you as an inheritance, a land flowing with milk and honey." I am the LORD
your God, who has set you apart from the nations.
You must therefore make a distinction between clean and unclean
animals and between unclean and clean birds. Do not defile yourselves by
any animal or bird or anything that moves along the ground-those which I
have set apart as unclean for you.
You are to be holy to me [3] because I, the LORD , am holy, and I
have set you apart from the nations to be my own.
A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be
put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own
heads.
Lev 21: 9 If a priest's daughter defiles herself by becoming a
prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "When men strive together one with another, and
the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand
of him that smiteth him and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the
secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her"

None of the above proves that the God of Christ, His Father which is in
Heaven, His beloved Abba, Daddy who "IS A SPIRIT" (John 4:24) and who dwells
visibly within Christ doing the work (Jesus in John 14:10) is the God of the
Jews YHWH.

[SNIPALOT]

None of the above proves that the God of Christ, His Father which is in
Heaven, His beloved Abba, Daddy who "IS A SPIRIT" (John 4:24) and who dwells
visibly within Christ doing the work (Jesus in John 14:10) is the God of the
Jews YHWH.
I would advice anyone reading this post to believe what Jews have been
saying ever since Christ preached in Israel: ...The God of Christ is NOT the
God of the Jews.

And we Christians praise our most holy and inerrant God for
it. We would otherwise be sorely amiss in not following His commandments
below to the letter, for nowhere does the Christ of the NT Bible tell us to
ignore His God's commandments, or that they have become null and void.

Pablo appears to follow the presently fashionable belief of the church,
requiring their members to be both Jews AND Christians, following the Old
Testament as well as the New Testament of the Bible ..... in word only, yet
not in Spirit. I.e. The modern Christian church ignores Christ's most
important commandments, the Royal Law and the Golden Rule nearly as much, as
the Synagogue ignores YHWH's commandments listed below.

Pastor Frank

THE MOST IMPORTANT COMMANDMENTS CHRIST GAVE TO HIS FOLLOWERS:
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."

THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."

------------------------

THE COMMANDMENTS YHWH GAVE MOSES ON MT. SINAI:
Leviticus 20:9-27 If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to
death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his
own head.
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife-with the wife
of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
If a man sleeps with his father's wife, he has dishonored his
father. Both the man and the woman must be put to death; their blood
will be on their own heads.
If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be
put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be
on their own heads.
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them
have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood
will be on their own heads.
If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both
he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be
among you.
If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to
death, and you must kill the animal.
If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it,
kill both the woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their
blood will be on their own heads.
If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or
his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a disgrace. They must be
cut off before the eyes of their people. He has dishonored his sister and
will be held responsible.
If a man lies with a woman during her monthly period and has
sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her flow, and
she has also uncovered it. Both of them must be cut off from their people.
Do not have sexual relations with the sister of either your
mother or your father, for that would dishonor a close relative; both of
you would be held responsible.
If a man sleeps with his aunt, he has dishonored his uncle. They
will be held responsible; they will die childless.
If a man marries his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity; he
has dishonored his brother. They will be childless.
Keep all my decrees and laws and follow them, so that the land
where I am bringing you to live may not vomit you out.
You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going
to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred them.
But I said to you, "You will possess their land; I will give it to
you as an inheritance, a land flowing with milk and honey." I am the LORD
your God, who has set you apart from the nations.
You must therefore make a distinction between clean and unclean
animals and between unclean and clean birds. Do not defile yourselves by
any animal or bird or anything that moves along the ground-those which I
have set apart as unclean for you.
You are to be holy to me [3] because I, the LORD , am holy, and I
have set you apart from the nations to be my own.
A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be
put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own
heads.
Lev 21: 9 If a priest's daughter defiles herself by becoming a
prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "When men strive together one with another, and
the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand
of him that smiteth him and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the
secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her"