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05 Jan 2004 04:30:41 PM |
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Re: The question I ask. |
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, S. C. Claus, esq said...
Chris wrote:
Well I'm new here and I thought I'd start off with the one question I tell
people who witness to me that they have to answer before I will listen. I
don't know if I got this from somewhere or I came up with it on my own.
Probably a mixture of both.
First off this is based on the assumption that God is perfect.
In the beginning is God. He's perfect. Being perfect he has no wants or
needs, so why did he create us? Any reason given reflects a flaw in God. Was
he lonely, bored, what?
So far I haven't gotten a satisfactory answer.
Of the thousands of "abominations before the lord" contained in the wholly
buybull, absolutely nowhere is listed eating *****. Answer me that one.
From what I've heard, the bible advocates the practice.
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St. Jackanapes
Bearer of The One True Liver
http://www.jackanapes.ws
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06 Jan 2004 12:52:21 PM |
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"Being perfect he has no wants or needs". Where did You ever get that
idea? Your life most be full of peoples theologies, imaginations, ideas. Do
look to God, not people, for the answer.
"St. Jackanapes" <st-jack@christismybitch.com> wrote in message
news:btcoif$tca$3@pita.alt.net...
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, S. C. Claus, esq said...
Chris wrote:
Well I'm new here and I thought I'd start off with the one question I
tell
people who witness to me that they have to answer before I will
listen. I
don't know if I got this from somewhere or I came up with it on my
own.
Probably a mixture of both.
First off this is based on the assumption that God is perfect.
In the beginning is God. He's perfect. Being perfect he has no wants
or
needs, so why did he create us? Any reason given reflects a flaw in
God. Was
he lonely, bored, what?
So far I haven't gotten a satisfactory answer.
Of the thousands of "abominations before the lord" contained in the
wholly
buybull, absolutely nowhere is listed eating *****. Answer me that one.
From what I've heard, the bible advocates the practice.
--
St. Jackanapes
Bearer of The One True Liver
http://www.jackanapes.ws
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06 Jan 2004 01:13:39 PM |
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In alt.flame.jesus.christ, Al the Antique said...
[REFORMATTED FOR SENILE AL WHO'S TOO OLD TO KNOW BETTER]
"St. Jackanapes" <st-jack@christismybitch.com> wrote in message
news:btcoif$tca$3@pita.alt.net...
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, S. C. Claus, esq said...
Chris wrote:
Well I'm new here and I thought I'd start off with the one question I
tell
people who witness to me that they have to answer before I will
listen. I
don't know if I got this from somewhere or I came up with it on my
own.
Probably a mixture of both.
First off this is based on the assumption that God is perfect.
In the beginning is God. He's perfect. Being perfect he has no wants
or
needs, so why did he create us? Any reason given reflects a flaw in
God. Was
he lonely, bored, what?
So far I haven't gotten a satisfactory answer.
Of the thousands of "abominations before the lord" contained in the
wholly
buybull, absolutely nowhere is listed eating *****. Answer me that one.
From what I've heard, the bible advocates the practice.
"Being perfect he has no wants or needs". Where did You ever get that
idea? Your life most be full of peoples theologies, imaginations, ideas. Do
look to God, not people, for the answer.
Al, what's that have to do with the Bible advocating eating poop-
burgers?
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St. Jackanapes
Bearer of The One True Liver
http://www.jackanapes.ws
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| User: "S. C. Claus, esq" |
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06 Jan 2004 04:46:13 AM |
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St. Jackanapes wrote:
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, S. C. Claus, esq said...
Chris wrote:
Well I'm new here and I thought I'd start off with the one question I tell
people who witness to me that they have to answer before I will listen. I
don't know if I got this from somewhere or I came up with it on my own.
Probably a mixture of both.
First off this is based on the assumption that God is perfect.
In the beginning is God. He's perfect. Being perfect he has no wants or
needs, so why did he create us? Any reason given reflects a flaw in God. Was
he lonely, bored, what?
So far I haven't gotten a satisfactory answer.
Of the thousands of "abominations before the lord" contained in the wholly
buybull, absolutely nowhere is listed eating *****. Answer me that one.
From what I've heard, the bible advocates the practice.
Even gives the recipe for ***** sandwiches.
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| User: "step" |
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06 Jan 2004 10:19:49 AM |
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The Bible never directly told us why God created us, but we can make a
guesses by looking at God's divine nature. Since God is perfect and
infinite, he is self-sufficient. Thus he does not need anything or anyone
to co-exist with him. But God also has a loving nature, how can he practice
this personality without anything to dedicate his love to? So, my guess is
that God created us in order to love us, in which he seeks our love to him
as well. If you look at God's plan from creation to judgement day, he has
never stopped loving us. He made the world for us to live in, he takes care
of us much more than our loving parents, he gave his only son to save us
from sins, he promised life everlasting, etc. Everything he does for us is
to love us. There may be things that he does that we don't understand and
don't agree with, but that doesn't matter since his way is better than our
way. We should be faithful, and he'll surely bless us for it.
"St. Jackanapes" <st-jack@christismybitch.com> ¦b¶l¥ó
news:btcoif$tca$3@pita.alt.net ¤¤¼¶¼g...
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, S. C. Claus, esq said...
Chris wrote:
Well I'm new here and I thought I'd start off with the one question I
tell
people who witness to me that they have to answer before I will
listen. I
don't know if I got this from somewhere or I came up with it on my
own.
Probably a mixture of both.
First off this is based on the assumption that God is perfect.
In the beginning is God. He's perfect. Being perfect he has no wants
or
needs, so why did he create us? Any reason given reflects a flaw in
God. Was
he lonely, bored, what?
So far I haven't gotten a satisfactory answer.
Of the thousands of "abominations before the lord" contained in the
wholly
buybull, absolutely nowhere is listed eating *****. Answer me that one.
From what I've heard, the bible advocates the practice.
--
St. Jackanapes
Bearer of The One True Liver
http://www.jackanapes.ws
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| User: "newBjorn" |
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06 Jan 2004 05:26:56 PM |
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"step" <step@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bteoc8$1pf5$1@news.hgc.com.hk>...
ignorant topposting corrected. reply below
"St. Jackanapes" <st-jack@christismybitch.com> ¦b¶l¥ó
news:btcoif$tca$3@pita.alt.net ¤¤¼¶¼g...
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, S. C. Claus, esq said...
Chris wrote:
Well I'm new here and I thought I'd start off with the one question I
tell
people who witness to me that they have to answer before I will
listen. I
don't know if I got this from somewhere or I came up with it on my
own.
Probably a mixture of both.
First off this is based on the assumption that God is perfect.
In the beginning is God. He's perfect. Being perfect he has no wants
or
needs, so why did he create us? Any reason given reflects a flaw in
God. Was
he lonely, bored, what?
So far I haven't gotten a satisfactory answer.
Of the thousands of "abominations before the lord" contained in the
wholly
buybull, absolutely nowhere is listed eating *****. Answer me that one.
From what I've heard, the bible advocates the practice.
--
The Bible never directly told us why God created us, but we can make a
guesses by looking at God's divine nature. Since God is perfect and
infinite, he is self-sufficient. Thus he does not need anything or anyone
to co-exist with him. But God also has a loving nature, how can he practice
this personality without anything to dedicate his love to? ....
So his 'perfect' nature is incomplete without something else.
By definition you can't improve on perfection.
You state your god can be improved on.
So it is not perfect.
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B Witbotl.
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| User: "St. Jackanapes" |
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06 Jan 2004 10:52:08 AM |
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In alt.flame.jesus.christ, step said...
The Bible never directly told us why God created us, but we can make a
guesses by looking at God's divine nature.
Ok. Show him to me.
Since God is perfect and
infinite, he is self-sufficient.
Liar. He dies if humans stop praising him. That's why he made fools like
you.
Thus he does not need anything or anyone
to co-exist with him.
Another lie. Ancient Hebrew texts show that he once had a consort.
But God also has a loving nature,
Then why did he kill my pony?
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St. Jackanapes
Bearer of The One True Liver
http://www.jackanapes.ws
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| User: "bob young" |
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08 Jan 2004 12:00:18 AM |
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"St. Jackanapes" wrote:
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, step said...
The Bible never directly told us why God created us, but we can make a
guesses by looking at God's divine nature.
Ok. Show him to me.
Since God is perfect and
infinite, he is self-sufficient.
Liar. He dies if humans stop praising him. That's why he made fools like
you.
Thus he does not need anything or anyone
to co-exist with him.
Another lie. Ancient Hebrew texts show that he once had a consort.
But God also has a loving nature,
Then why did he kill my pony?
.... and why does 'he' 'it' allow grossly deformed foetus? There's a sicko
posting them in alt.binaries.pictures grotesque sometimes.
looking a few of these pictures will cure anyone of religion in two seconds
flat
bob
Hong Kong
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St. Jackanapes
Bearer of The One True Liver
http://www.jackanapes.ws
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| User: "Pastor Njygaard" |
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06 Jan 2004 09:33:25 PM |
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:52:08 -0500, St. Jackanapes
<st-jack@christismybitch.com> wrote:
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, step said...
The Bible never directly told us why God created us, but we can make a
guesses by looking at God's divine nature.
Ok. Show him to me.
Since God is perfect and
infinite, he is self-sufficient.
Liar. He dies if humans stop praising him. That's why he made fools like
you.
And the mystery of the Divine Nature is solved: God is Tinkerbell in a
Santa costume.
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| User: "ýøwíë" |
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06 Jan 2004 05:51:25 PM |
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step said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
The Bible never directly told us why God created us, but we can make a
guesses by looking at God's divine nature. Since God is perfect and
infinite, he is self-sufficient. Thus he does not need anything or anyone
to co-exist with him. But God also has a loving nature, how can he practice
this personality without anything to dedicate his love to?
He could love himself. You said above he is self sufficient.
So, my guess is
that God created us in order to love us, in which he seeks our love to him
as well.
Sort of like getting a puppy, eh? Perhaps He just wasn't up to finding
(or creating) another god to lavish his affections on.
[step compounds the initial contradiction]
--
Rev. yowie - ULC 1999 - JRA #1
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| User: "Pastor Njygaard" |
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06 Jan 2004 09:32:33 PM |
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:21:25 +1030, ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote:
step said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
The Bible never directly told us why God created us, but we can make a
guesses by looking at God's divine nature. Since God is perfect and
infinite, he is self-sufficient. Thus he does not need anything or anyone
to co-exist with him. But God also has a loving nature, how can he practice
this personality without anything to dedicate his love to?
He could love himself. You said above he is self sufficient.
God masturbates a lot? Alread we are unwinding clues to His divine
nature! Hallelujah!
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| User: "Halah" |
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07 Jan 2004 01:57:18 AM |
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:21:25 +1030, ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote:
step said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
The Bible never directly told us why God created us, but we can
make a guesses by looking at God's divine nature. Since God is
perfect and infinite, he is self-sufficient. Thus he does not
need anything or anyone to co-exist with him. But God also has
a loving nature, how can he practice this personality without
anything to dedicate his love to?
He could love himself. You said above he is self sufficient.
God masturbates a lot? Alread we are unwinding clues to His divine
nature! Hallelujah!
Now we know where snow comes from.
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Halah. Did we ***** you off? Tell us about it!
http://afjc.clickhalah.com/forum
"In the name of the Christ in my heart, I pull the
devil's pants down with joy and amusement. :-)"
-brze@usa.com, 11/1/00
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| User: "S. C. Claus, esq" |
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07 Jan 2004 01:02:00 AM |
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step wrote:
The Bible never directly told us why God created us [snip]
Answer the question. Why doesn't the bible prohibit ***** eating?
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07 Jan 2004 12:31:39 AM |
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S. C. Claus, esq wrote:
step wrote:
The Bible never directly told us why God created us
[snip]
Answer the question. Why doesn't the bible prohibit *****
eating?
Because the authors were full if it.
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David V.
Yosemite Llama Ranch
UDP for WebTV
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07 Jan 2004 02:00:04 AM |
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step wrote:
The Bible never directly told us why God created us [snip]
Answer the question. Why doesn't the bible prohibit ***** eating?
What do you think manna is?
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Halah. Did we ***** you off? Tell us about it!
http://afjc.clickhalah.com/forum
"I'm proud to be a sheep of the Most High." Jim Upchurch, 11/2/99
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step wrote:
The Bible never directly told us why God created us [snip]
Answer the question. Why doesn't the bible prohibit ***** eating?
What do you think manna is?
Kingdom come.
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06 Jan 2004 11:24:07 AM |
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step wrote:
The Bible never directly told us why God created us...
That's because no god created us. We evolved like all the
other plant and animal species on this planet. If you don't
understand how that works, take a few years of college and
you'll find out. If you DON'T want to know; stay ignorant.
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David V.
Yosemite Llama Ranch
UDP for WebTV
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06 Jan 2004 11:30:37 AM |
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:24:07 -0800, "David V."
<spam@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
step wrote:
The Bible never directly told us why God created us...
That's because no god created us. We evolved like all the
other plant and animal species on this planet. If you don't
understand how that works, take a few years of college and
you'll find out. If you DON'T want to know; stay ignorant.
College offers no proof of this.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"There are only two possibilities as to how life
arose. One is spontaneous generation arising to
evolution; the other is a supernatural creative
act of God. There is no third possibility.
Spontaneous generation, that life arose from
non-living matter was scientifically disproved
120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That
leaves us with the only possible conclusion that
life arose as a supernatural creative act of God.
I will not accept that philosophically because I
do not want to believe in God. Therefore, I choose
to believe in that which I know is scientifically
impossible; spontaneous generation arising to
evolution." - (Wald, George, "Innovation and
Biology," Scientific American, Vol. 199,
Sept. 1958, p. 100)
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| User: "bob young" |
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08 Jan 2004 04:17:08 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:24:07 -0800, "David V."
<spam@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
step wrote:
The Bible never directly told us why God created us...
That's because no god created us. We evolved like all the
other plant and animal species on this planet. If you don't
understand how that works, take a few years of college and
you'll find out. If you DON'T want to know; stay ignorant.
College offers no proof of this.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"There are only two possibilities as to how life
arose. One is spontaneous generation arising to
evolution; the other is a supernatural creative
act of God. There is no third possibility.
Spontaneous generation, that life arose from
non-living matter was scientifically disproved
120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That
leaves us with the only possible conclusion that
life arose as a supernatural creative act of God.
I will not accept that philosophically because I
do not want to believe in God. Therefore, I choose
to believe in that which I know is scientifically
impossible; spontaneous generation arising to
evolution." - (Wald, George, "Innovation and
Biology," Scientific American, Vol. 199,
Sept. 1958, p. 100)
so you think everything has been proven that can be proven?
That is really an outdated theory - like religion
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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08 Jan 2004 05:41:46 AM |
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On 8 Jan 2004 04:17:08 -0600, bob young
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:24:07 -0800, "David V."
<spam@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
step wrote:
The Bible never directly told us why God created us...
That's because no god created us. We evolved like all the
other plant and animal species on this planet. If you don't
understand how that works, take a few years of college and
you'll find out. If you DON'T want to know; stay ignorant.
College offers no proof of this.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"There are only two possibilities as to how life
arose. One is spontaneous generation arising to
evolution; the other is a supernatural creative
act of God. There is no third possibility.
Spontaneous generation, that life arose from
non-living matter was scientifically disproved
120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That
leaves us with the only possible conclusion that
life arose as a supernatural creative act of God.
I will not accept that philosophically because I
do not want to believe in God. Therefore, I choose
to believe in that which I know is scientifically
impossible; spontaneous generation arising to
evolution." - (Wald, George, "Innovation and
Biology," Scientific American, Vol. 199,
Sept. 1958, p. 100)
so you think everything has been proven that can be proven?
That is really an outdated theory - like religion
No creation, no spontaneous generation. So how did
life get here?
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Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Evolution is accepted by zoologists not because
it has been observed to occur, or is supported
by logically coherent arguments, but because...
no alternative explanation is credible. Whilst
the fact of evolution is accepted by every
biologist, the mode in which it has occurred and
the mechanism by which it has been brought about
are still disputable. ...the theory of evolution
itself is a theory universally accepted not because
it can be proved by logical coherent evidence to be
true, but because the only alternative is special
creation, which is clearly incredible."
- D.M.S. Watson, "Adaptation", Nature,
August 10, 1929, Vol. 124
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| User: "HoundDog" |
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14 Jan 2004 02:12:24 PM |
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Pastor Dave <nospam-draymond@minister.com> wrote in message news:<dufqvvo2dpph3fh4d2ukvp6b66pd088etk@4ax.com>...
On 8 Jan 2004 04:17:08 -0600, bob young
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:24:07 -0800, "David V."
<spam@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
step wrote:
The Bible never directly told us why God created us...
That's because no god created us. We evolved like all the
other plant and animal species on this planet. If you don't
understand how that works, take a few years of college and
you'll find out. If you DON'T want to know; stay ignorant.
College offers no proof of this.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"There are only two possibilities as to how life
arose. One is spontaneous generation arising to
evolution; the other is a supernatural creative
act of God. There is no third possibility.
Spontaneous generation, that life arose from
non-living matter was scientifically disproved
120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That
leaves us with the only possible conclusion that
life arose as a supernatural creative act of God.
I will not accept that philosophically because I
do not want to believe in God. Therefore, I choose
to believe in that which I know is scientifically
impossible; spontaneous generation arising to
evolution." - (Wald, George, "Innovation and
Biology," Scientific American, Vol. 199,
Sept. 1958, p. 100)
so you think everything has been proven that can be proven?
That is really an outdated theory - like religion
No creation, no spontaneous generation. So how did
life get here?
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Evolution is accepted by zoologists not because
it has been observed to occur, or is supported
by logically coherent arguments, but because...
no alternative explanation is credible. Whilst
the fact of evolution is accepted by every
biologist, the mode in which it has occurred and
the mechanism by which it has been brought about
are still disputable. ...the theory of evolution
itself is a theory universally accepted not because
it can be proved by logical coherent evidence to be
true, but because the only alternative is special
creation, which is clearly incredible."
- D.M.S. Watson, "Adaptation", Nature,
August 10, 1929, Vol. 124
Better to look at the quote as written by Watson, not misquoted by
those with an agenda to show a particular point:
" Evolution itself is accepted by zoologists not because it has
been
observed to occur or is supported by logically coherent
arguments,
but because it does fit all the facts of taxonomy, of
paleontology,
and of geographical distribution, and because no alternative
explanation is credible.
"
HD
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| User: "Elmer Bataitis" |
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14 Jan 2004 04:07:18 PM |
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HoundDog wrote:
Dave <nospam-draymond@minister.com> wrote in message
"Evolution is accepted by zoologists not because
it has been observed to occur, or is supported
by logically coherent arguments, but because...
no alternative explanation is credible. Whilst
the fact of evolution is accepted by every
biologist, the mode in which it has occurred and
the mechanism by which it has been brought about
are still disputable. ...the theory of evolution
itself is a theory universally accepted not because
it can be proved by logical coherent evidence to be
true, but because the only alternative is special
creation, which is clearly incredible."
- D.M.S. Watson, "Adaptation", Nature,
August 10, 1929, Vol. 124
Better to look at the quote as written by Watson, not misquoted by
those with an agenda to show a particular point:
Evolution itself is accepted by zoologists not because it has
been observed to occur or is supported by logically coherent
arguments, but because it does fit all the facts of taxonomy, of
paleontology, and of geographical distribution, and because no alternative
explanation is credible."
Thanks HD, I was going to type this in. There is a quite difference
between what Watson really wrote and when you look at where creationists
have "creatively" placed the ellipsis.
I particularly liked the "Whilst the fact of evolution is accepted by
every biologist, the mode in which it has occurred and the mechanism by
which it has been brought about are still disputable. ...the theory of
evolution itself is a theory universally accepted not because it can be
proved..."
That little interior ellipsis hides about 2 pages or about 20 paragraphs
between them. I think I could make Dave sound like a rabid atheist using
ellipsises like that ;-)
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Planetech Services -Hobbes
585-442-2884
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the straight jacket of conventional thought." - C.
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| User: "bob young" |
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08 Jan 2004 04:15:08 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:24:07 -0800, "David V."
<spam@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
step wrote:
The Bible never directly told us why God created us...
That's because no god created us. We evolved like all the
other plant and animal species on this planet. If you don't
understand how that works, take a few years of college and
you'll find out. If you DON'T want to know; stay ignorant.
College offers no proof of this...
college is just one way to learn how things work. there are
hundreds of other ways, a life time of observation, thought
and more to the point, common sense.
Like I have said to you before, the world is full of gods of
varying types, they are ALL the figment of man's imagination.
It might be hard, in fact downright painful to accept this, but
if you are honest with yourself you will.
Bob
Hong Kong
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one
fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all
the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss
yours."
[Stephen Roberts]
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"There are only two possibilities as to how life
arose. One is spontaneous generation arising to
evolution; the other is a supernatural creative
act of God. There is no third possibility.
Spontaneous generation, that life arose from
non-living matter was scientifically disproved
120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That
leaves us with the only possible conclusion that
life arose as a supernatural creative act of God.
I will not accept that philosophically because I
do not want to believe in God. Therefore, I choose
to believe in that which I know is scientifically
impossible; spontaneous generation arising to
evolution." - (Wald, George, "Innovation and
Biology," Scientific American, Vol. 199,
Sept. 1958, p. 100)
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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08 Jan 2004 05:41:45 AM |
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On 8 Jan 2004 04:15:08 -0600, bob young
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:24:07 -0800, "David V."
<spam@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
step wrote:
The Bible never directly told us why God created us...
That's because no god created us. We evolved like all the
other plant and animal species on this planet. If you don't
understand how that works, take a few years of college and
you'll find out. If you DON'T want to know; stay ignorant.
College offers no proof of this...
college is just one way to learn how things work. there are
hundreds of other ways, a life time of observation, thought
and more to the point, common sense.
You assume common sense = what you believe.
The first word in "common sense", is "common". It is
commonly believed that there is a god of some sort.
You now claim that most of the world has no sense.
Well, actually, I may have made a bad argument,
considering the majority of people you meet. :)
Like I have said to you before, the world is full of gods of
varying types, they are ALL the figment of man's imagination.
It might be hard, in fact downright painful to accept this, but
if you are honest with yourself you will.
Can you prove it?
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Evolution is accepted by zoologists not because
it has been observed to occur, or is supported
by logically coherent arguments, but because...
no alternative explanation is credible. Whilst
the fact of evolution is accepted by every
biologist, the mode in which it has occurred and
the mechanism by which it has been brought about
are still disputable. ...the theory of evolution
itself is a theory universally accepted not because
it can be proved by logical coherent evidence to be
true, but because the only alternative is special
creation, which is clearly incredible."
- D.M.S. Watson, "Adaptation", Nature,
August 10, 1929, Vol. 124
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| User: "Halah" |
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07 Jan 2004 01:55:20 AM |
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step...
The Bible never directly told us why God created us,
Game, set, match.
--
Halah. Did we ***** you off? Tell us about it!
http://afjc.clickhalah.com/forum
"JHC, please change your handle to Inspector Gadget, you
bumbling oaf. Or to Miss Peggy Wanker please. Thank you.
Colleen Baldwin" 7/22/00
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