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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
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"Dave Oldridge" <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
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You still are merely denouncing Christians without presenting
a shred
of evidence, only now you are getting shrill on your way to trash
and flame. It's obvious to all, that you have nothing to say,
except believe everyone who calls himself a scientist and none who
call themselves Christian.

I do not denounce Christians at all, liar. Only those who bear
false witness in God's name.
This and other so-called "Christian" echoes are full of them.
And, since I call MYSELF a Christian and certainly believe that
what I'm saying is correct, you're obviously wrong about me
believing anyone who calls himself a scientist. But then, I guess
you're really out to attack the straw man of "evilushun" and not
anything real. So you HAVE to attack me because I promote truth,
not hysterical polemics filled with lies. Is THAT why you're so
upset?

You still don't present any evidence for your pontifications
regarding
the correctness of evolution. Till scientists answer Christian

Liar. I've already pointed out that the human and chimp sequenced
genomes display the following features:

1. Chimp chromosomes 2p and 2q are found fused end-to-end in the
human genome (one of them reversed). The telomeres are still in
place at the point of fusion as are two distinct sets of centromeres.
This, in itself, is evidence of a fusion event at some time in the
geologically recent past.

2. Chimp and human GULO genes are pretty much identical and
identically non-functional. The remaining three genes of the system
are still functional in both genomes, indicating that the broken GULO
gene is inherited from a common source.

3. There are a great many viral insertions in both genomes that
occupy identical insertion points. The chances of this happening
independently are ACTUALLY very tiny.

4. Heritable debris from other genetic accidents is also found to be
identical in the two genomes.

What all this adds up to is proof, beyound REASONABLE doubt that the
human and chimp genomes, as they exist today, are the product of a
single ancestral population and that all differences between the
species today are the result of divergent evolution.
Q.E.D.
(And this is not the first time you've been given this evidence).

We are talking of 2 different things. You are talking narrowly
defined
evolution, and for such there may be plenty of evidence, i.e. Mendel,
though cross-breeding is usually forced and not a natural event.

I am talking about evolutionary abiogenesis and speciation, for
which
there is very little evidence. In fact they are both based upon
conjecture and statistical extrapolation. They are not reproducible
and therefore still theory. Evolutionary abiogenesis is not the
unquestionable fact faithful and true-believing evolutionists would
like us to convince of.

statistical objections to some of their concussions, and have an
answer regarding the irreducible complexity of the most "simple"
cell,

What statistical objections? The artificial ones based on the simple
improbability of long chains of contingent events that you have not
even shown are necessary?

True. Random events can occur in long chains of contingent events,
but
such occurrances are extremely rare. Furthermore, to pass the test of
credibility you have to convince the layman.

you are just pissing into the wind.

No, that's YOUR game.

It's time evolution is stripped of its religious aura, where no
questions nor doubt are allowed in class.

Yes, it's HIGH time the phony religions of this world got off the
back of good science and started minding their own business (which
seems to be going to hell as fast as a lying tongue can carry them,
but that's their business, not mine).
Personally, I would suggest well-enforced, sensible criminal libel
statutes. Truth would be a defense for the truthful. But you
wouldn't be able to get away with lying.
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667

No "lie" has been proved nor demonstrated. Till you do get serious
and
present your case so it holds up in court, and convinces a jury of
average intelligence and education, you are just another minion of
Satan, the baseless accuser, nagger and liar.

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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
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"Dave Oldridge" <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
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m:

You still are merely denouncing Christians without presenting a
shred
of evidence, only now you are getting shrill on your way to trash
and flame. It's obvious to all, that you have nothing to say, except
believe everyone who calls himself a scientist and none who call
themselves Christian.

I do not denounce Christians at all, liar. Only those who bear false
witness in God's name.
This and other so-called "Christian" echoes are full of them.
And, since I call MYSELF a Christian and certainly believe that what
I'm saying is correct, you're obviously wrong about me believing
anyone who calls himself a scientist. But then, I guess you're
really out to attack the straw man of "evilushun" and not anything
real. So you HAVE to attack me because I promote truth, not
hysterical polemics filled with lies. Is THAT why you're so upset?

You still don't present any evidence for your pontifications
regarding
the correctness of evolution. Till scientists answer Christian

Liar. I've already pointed out that the human and chimp sequenced
genomes display the following features:

1. Chimp chromosomes 2p and 2q are found fused end-to-end in the human
genome (one of them reversed). The telomeres are still in place at the
point of fusion as are two distinct sets of centromeres. This, in
itself, is evidence of a fusion event at some time in the geologically
recent past.

2. Chimp and human GULO genes are pretty much identical and identically
non-functional. The remaining three genes of the system are still
functional in both genomes, indicating that the broken GULO gene is
inherited from a common source.

3. There are a great many viral insertions in both genomes that occupy
identical insertion points. The chances of this happening independently
are ACTUALLY very tiny.

4. Heritable debris from other genetic accidents is also found to be
identical in the two genomes.

What all this adds up to is proof, beyound REASONABLE doubt that the
human and chimp genomes, as they exist today, are the product of a single
ancestral population and that all differences between the species today
are the result of divergent evolution.
Q.E.D.
(And this is not the first time you've been given this evidence).

We are talking of 2 different things. You are talking narrowly defined
evolution, and for such there may be plenty of evidence, i.e. Mendel, though
cross-breeding is usually forced and not a natural event.
I am talking about evolutionary abiogenesis and speciation, for which
there is very little evidence. In fact they are both based upon conjecture
and statistical extrapolation. They are not reproducible and therefore still
theory. Evolutionary abiogenesis is not the unquestionable fact faithful and
true-believing evolutionists would like us to convince of.

statistical objections to some of their concussions, and have an
answer regarding the irreducible complexity of the most "simple" cell,

What statistical objections? The artificial ones based on the simple
improbability of long chains of contingent events that you have not even
shown are necessary?

True. Random events can occur in long chains of contingent events, but
such occurrances are extremely rare. Furthermore, to pass the test of
credibility you have to convince the layman.

you are just pissing into the wind.

No, that's YOUR game.

It's time evolution is stripped of its religious aura, where no
questions nor doubt are allowed in class.

Yes, it's HIGH time the phony religions of this world got off the back of
good science and started minding their own business (which seems to be
going to hell as fast as a lying tongue can carry them, but that's their
business, not mine).
Personally, I would suggest well-enforced, sensible criminal libel
statutes. Truth would be a defense for the truthful. But you wouldn't
be able to get away with lying.
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667

No "lie" has been proved nor demonstrated. Till you do get serious and
present your case so it holds up in court, and convinces a jury of average
intelligence and education, you are just another minion of Satan, the
baseless accuser, nagger and liar.