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"duke" |
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25 May 2007 07:36:38 AM |
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Re: The role of "pope" in light of scripture |
On 24 May 2007 18:11:45 GMT, wrote:
Paul said of himself that he went out to represent the gospel to the
gentiles while Peter held the same role for the jews.
Yet God picked Peter to bring the gospel to the *gentiles*. Paul, who never met
Jesus, helped but Peter was picked by God.
Acts 15:7 (New International Version)
7After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know
that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from
my lips the message of the gospel and believe
Peter did not act
in matters of evangelism the major or universal role nor did he
superceed Paul in the missionary activities that spread to distant
areas.
Yet the primacy of Peter by Jesus is totally reflected throughout the 4 gospels.
IN addition, It was Peter who heard directly from the Father, and to whom Jesus
gave the keys to the kingdom of God, to bind on earth to be so in heaven.
Mat 16:13-20
Paul and Peter acted in concert in many things, as also did St.
John and Peter in the early church.
The very obvious highest authority of the church was the council to
which authority and power all bowed in the final concensus.
The various roles and relationships of one to another in the early
church as recorded in scripture doesn't provide for the later defined
role of pope, and in contrast Peter himself is the clear example of
scripture as not fullfilling that role as seen above.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "OrthoNews5" |
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| Title: Re: The role of "pope" in light of scripture |
27 May 2007 07:07:01 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:24:07 -0400, "OrthoNews5" <newshound2@danospam.net>
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 May 2007 19:42:04 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is no pope, there is no human "head of The Church" mentioned in
the Bible.
You should try reading the NT, jw. It's all right there in Mat 16:13-20
and
Acts 15:7.
God has a special function for those whose names he changes:
Abrahm to Abraham
Simon to Peter
Saul to Paul.
It's an invention of the RCC intended to create iron-fisted CONTROL of
the masses.
Why would Christ tell the RCC to do that?
***Christ didn't because the RCC as a separate Church did not ezxist byh
that name until AFTER the Great Schism. It's amazing how you RCs deny that
the Church existed long before Peter and Paul got to Italia.
I guess I'll have to repeat my story to your again.
Christ declared his church to be (c)atholic = katholicis in Greek =
one(ness) =
universal = Catholic (Eastern and western versions) = Roman Catholic when
the
Eastern Church checked out.
***Sorry. Christ never used the term "catholic." The first known recorded
use of that word to describe the universality of The Church was in 92 A.D.
You sure do have trouble keeping up with the story.
***Your story stretches the minds of the intyelligent waaaaay too much!
You have a lot of trouble following scripture, which is a slam dunk for
the RCC.
***Are you really trying to tell me that Holy Scripture rules your church's
theology and dogma? Please don't say that. My RC wife, a Third Order
Franciscan and student of RCC theology, tells me you are on thin ice with
this line of "reasoning."
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: The role of "pope" in light of scripture |
29 May 2007 05:57:44 PM |
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On Sun, 27 May 2007 20:07:01 -0400, "OrthoNews5" <newshound2@danospam.net>
wrote:
Christ declared his church to be (c)atholic = katholicis in Greek =
one(ness) =
universal = Catholic (Eastern and western versions) = Roman Catholic when
the
Eastern Church checked out.
***Sorry. Christ never used the term "catholic." The first known recorded
use of that word to describe the universality of The Church was in 92 A.D.
How do you know? He likely used the Aramaic word translated into "katholocis".
You sure do have trouble keeping up with the story.
***Your story stretches the minds of the intyelligent waaaaay too much!
I've got scripture, history, and the RCC providing me with the answers.
You have a lot of trouble following scripture, which is a slam dunk for
the RCC.
***Are you really trying to tell me that Holy Scripture rules your church's
theology and dogma?
Absolutely.
Please don't say that. My RC wife, a Third Order
Franciscan and student of RCC theology, tells me you are on thin ice with
this line of "reasoning."
Ok, so what does she say. I'd like to hear some of her ideas.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The role of "pope" in light of scripture |
02 Jul 2007 01:41:01 AM |
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On May 29, 6:57 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2007 20:07:01 -0400, "OrthoNews5" <newshou...@danospam.net>
wrote:
Christ declared his church to be (c)atholic = katholicis in Greek =
one(ness) =
universal = Catholic (Eastern and western versions) = Roman Catholic when
the
Eastern Church checked out.
***Sorry. Christ never used the term "catholic." The first known recorded
use of that word to describe the universality of The Church was in 92 A.D.
How do you know? He likely used the Aramaic word translated into "katholocis".
You sure do have trouble keeping up with the story.
***Your story stretches the minds of the intyelligent waaaaay too much!
I've got scripture, history, and the RCC providing me with the answers.
You have a lot of trouble following scripture, which is a slam dunk for
the RCC.
***Are you really trying to tell me that Holy Scripture rules your church's
theology and dogma?
Absolutely.
Please don't say that. My RC wife, a Third Order
Franciscan and student of RCC theology, tells me you are on thin ice with
this line of "reasoning."
Ok, so what does she say. I'd like to hear some of her ideas.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
No, you have just the RCC providing you with answers, scripture and
history prove you wrong.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The role of "pope" in light of scripture |
02 Jul 2007 01:39:37 AM |
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On May 27, 3:51 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:24:07 -0400, "OrthoNews5" <newshou...@danospam.net>
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3bti539of97hea61ov66256icgs4mh95co@4ax.com...
On Sat, 26 May 2007 19:42:04 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is no pope, there is no human "head of The Church" mentioned in
the Bible.
You should try reading the NT, jw. It's all right there in Mat 16:13-20
and
Acts 15:7.
God has a special function for those whose names he changes:
Abrahm to Abraham
Simon to Peter
Saul to Paul.
It's an invention of the RCC intended to create iron-fisted CONTROL of
the masses.
Why would Christ tell the RCC to do that?
***Christ didn't because the RCC as a separate Church did not ezxist byh
that name until AFTER the Great Schism. It's amazing how you RCs deny that
the Church existed long before Peter and Paul got to Italia.
I guess I'll have to repeat my story to your again.
Christ declared his church to be (c)atholic = katholicis in Greek = one(ness) =
universal = Catholic (Eastern and western versions) = Roman Catholic when the
Eastern Church checked out.
You sure do have trouble keeping up with the story.
You have a lot of trouble following scripture, which is a slam dunk for the RCC.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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And you have trouble seeing the truth when it is presented to you. The
Eastern Church never "checked out"... it is still here, the same as it
ever was. I can't say the same for the church of Rome.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The role of "pope" in light of scripture |
02 Jul 2007 01:36:22 AM |
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On May 27, 8:14 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2007 19:42:04 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is no pope, there is no human "head of The Church" mentioned in
the Bible.
You should try reading the NT, jw. It's all right there in Mat 16:13-20 and
Acts 15:7.
God has a special function for those whose names he changes:
Abrahm to Abraham
Simon to Peter
Saul to Paul.
It's an invention of the RCC intended to create iron-fisted CONTROL of
the masses.
Why would Christ tell the RCC to do that?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Christ had a habit of nicknaming his Apostles. Thomas was called
"Didymos", or "the twin". Two other Apostles were called "The sons of
Thunder", etc...Your claim does not prove anything about the papacy.
You are grabbing at straws. Using Mat 16:13-20 and Acts 15:7 does NOT,
nor will it ever, be able to prove Rome's claim to the papacy. As I
have explained before, Peter established other regional churches
(which is all Rome was from the beginning) long before he ever stepped
foot in Rome. Antioch would have a much better claim to authority than
Rome ever would. You are just a RC broken record and a revisionist...
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| User: "OrthoNews9" |
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| Title: Re: The role of "pope" in light of scripture |
02 Jul 2007 07:00:15 AM |
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<Digimortal@starpower.net> wrote in message
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On May 27, 8:14 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2007 19:42:04 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is no pope, there is no human "head of The Church" mentioned in
the Bible.
You should try reading the NT, jw. It's all right there in Mat 16:13-20
and
Acts 15:7.
God has a special function for those whose names he changes:
Abrahm to Abraham
Simon to Peter
Saul to Paul.
It's an invention of the RCC intended to create iron-fisted CONTROL of
the masses.
Why would Christ tell the RCC to do that?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Christ had a habit of nicknaming his Apostles. Thomas was called
"Didymos", or "the twin". Two other Apostles were called "The sons of
Thunder", etc...Your claim does not prove anything about the papacy.
You are grabbing at straws. Using Mat 16:13-20 and Acts 15:7 does NOT,
nor will it ever, be able to prove Rome's claim to the papacy. As I
have explained before, Peter established other regional churches
(which is all Rome was from the beginning) long before he ever stepped
foot in Rome. Antioch would have a much better claim to authority than
Rome ever would. You are just a RC broken record and a revisionist...
***Isn't his retrofit religion interesting?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: The role of "pope" in light of scripture |
02 Jul 2007 05:39:18 PM |
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On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:00:15 -0400, "OrthoNews9" <newshound7@nospam.net> wrote:
Christ had a habit of nicknaming his Apostles. Thomas was called
"Didymos", or "the twin". Two other Apostles were called "The sons of
Thunder", etc...Your claim does not prove anything about the papacy.
You are grabbing at straws. Using Mat 16:13-20 and Acts 15:7 does NOT,
nor will it ever, be able to prove Rome's claim to the papacy. As I
have explained before, Peter established other regional churches
(which is all Rome was from the beginning) long before he ever stepped
foot in Rome. Antioch would have a much better claim to authority than
Rome ever would. You are just a RC broken record and a revisionist...
***Isn't his retrofit religion interesting?
Yes, it's scriptural.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "john w" |
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| Title: Re: The role of "pope" in light of scripture |
27 May 2007 07:56:53 AM |
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On Sun, 27 May 2007 07:14:02 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Sat, 26 May 2007 19:42:04 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is no pope, there is no human "head of The Church" mentioned in
the Bible.
You should try reading the NT, jw. It's all right there in Mat 16:13-20 and
Acts 15:7.
Peddle your s* someplace else!
God has a special function for those whose names he changes:
Abrahm to Abraham
Simon to Peter
Saul to Paul.
It's an invention of the RCC intended to create iron-fisted CONTROL of
the masses.
Why would Christ tell the RCC to do that?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "OrthoNews5" |
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| Title: Re: The role of "pope" in light of scripture |
27 May 2007 02:24:58 PM |
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"john w @yahoo.com>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 May 2007 07:14:02 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Sat, 26 May 2007 19:42:04 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is no pope, there is no human "head of The Church" mentioned in
the Bible.
You should try reading the NT, jw. It's all right there in Mat 16:13-20
and
Acts 15:7.
Peddle your s* someplace else!
***Keep it clean, John. Just dialog. No need to go this far...it won't score
any points.
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| User: "duke" |
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27 May 2007 02:52:28 PM |
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On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:24:58 -0400, "OrthoNews5" <newshound2@danospam.net>
wrote:
"john w @yahoo.com>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
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x-no-archive: yes
On Sun, 27 May 2007 07:14:02 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Sat, 26 May 2007 19:42:04 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is no pope, there is no human "head of The Church" mentioned in
the Bible.
You should try reading the NT, jw. It's all right there in Mat 16:13-20
and
Acts 15:7.
Peddle your s* someplace else!
***Keep it clean, John. Just dialog. No need to go this far...it won't score
any points.
You're cruising one level above him right now.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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27 May 2007 07:03:35 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:24:58 -0400, "OrthoNews5" <newshound2@danospam.net>
wrote:
"john w @yahoo.com>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
news:svvi535t44mg83uujiii5g5ehudhtkk2ur@4ax.com...
x-no-archive: yes
On Sun, 27 May 2007 07:14:02 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Sat, 26 May 2007 19:42:04 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is no pope, there is no human "head of The Church" mentioned in
the Bible.
You should try reading the NT, jw. It's all right there in Mat 16:13-20
and
Acts 15:7.
Peddle your s* someplace else!
***Keep it clean, John. Just dialog. No need to go this far...it won't
score
any points.
You're cruising one level above him right now.
***Would you like me to swear, too. Is that what you want?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: The role of "pope" in light of scripture |
27 May 2007 11:18:02 AM |
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On Sun, 27 May 2007 05:56:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is no pope, there is no human "head of The Church" mentioned in
the Bible.
You should try reading the NT, jw. It's all right there in Mat 16:13-20 and
Acts 15:7.
Peddle your s* someplace else!
Jw, how can you call yourself a Christian and turn on Christ and what he taught
us like that. You need to go to confession.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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