"Mistylien" <yardholler@charter.net>
Re: The Shroud

"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1176167071.754736.147010@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

The Shroud of Turin depicts someone
approx. 80 years old. It destroys the historical sense of the
entire New Testament, esp. the "Good News."

Believers are stuck with this lead necklace; it can only
hurt them. Anyone who ever affirmed the Shroud's authenticity
knows he is finished, trapped. His 'fifteen minutes' are over.

His faith is wiped out; there will be no eternal life, just ignoble
rot.

Yes your Shroud is only another attempt at placing something else
in the way of the faithful.

It is also part of the Beast to put artifact worship in the way of
The Creator Worship.

M,

Hello,

The shroud also does not conform to some Bible data etc. First, the
shroud with the image on it, is not mentioned in the Bible, or by any
writings of the 1st century, or 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, or 5th, even
though many wrote about miracles from relics, none mention the
appearance of the shroud. If it didn't exist then, that would explain
why.

Jesuit scholar Herert Thurston relates how 15th and 16th century
people commented on the shroud. He said that they "describe the
impressions on the shroud as so vivid in detail and colouring that
they might have been quite freshly made."

Also the burial cloth of Jesus was not just one piece? Notice Joh
20:6,7,

"Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb.
He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7as well as the burial cloth
that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded up by itself,
separate from the linen." (NIV)

So there were several cloths, with a separate one around Jesus' head.

Also, the body could not have been washed, since there are bloodstains
on the Shroud. But that would have been unusual for the Jews. The
first century Jewish historian Josephus said that, unlike some of
their enemies, "the Jews used to take so much care of the burial of
men." Was Jesus body prepared the customary way? Joh 19:38-40,

"Later, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. Now
Joseph was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly because he feared the
Jews. With Pilate's permission, he came and took the body away. 39 He
was accompanied by Nicodemus, the man who earlier had visited Jesus at
night. Nicodemus brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about
seventy-five pounds. 40 Taking Jesus' body, the two of them wrapped
it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with
Jewish burial customs." (NIV)

As we can see, they followed the normal custom. But what did this
consist of?

The body was first washed and then oils and spices were used to anoint
it. (Acts 9:37; Matt. 26:12) Thus the Scriptural account suggests that
the body was washed and bound with myrrh and aloes according to the
Jewish custom. All was completed except the anointing with oil and
spices, which the women intended to do the following Sunday morning.
(Luke 23:55, 56; Mark 16:1)

Thus, the Bible evidence does not support the Shroud of Turin as being
Jesus' burial cloth. At any case, God's true worshippers do not need
the shroud or any other religious artifacts to help them in their
religious worship because they "walk by faith, not by sight." (2 Co
5:7, NAB)

Sincerely, James

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The shroud also does not conform to some Bible data etc. First, the
shroud with the image on it, is not mentioned in the Bible, or by any
writings of the 1st century, or 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, or 5th, even
though many wrote about miracles from relics, none mention the
appearance of the shroud. If it didn't exist then, that would explain
why.

Jesuit scholar Herert Thurston relates how 15th and 16th century
people commented on the shroud. He said that they "describe the
impressions on the shroud as so vivid in detail and colouring that
they might have been quite freshly made."

Also the burial cloth of Jesus was not just one piece? Notice Joh
20:6,7,
"Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb.
He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7as well as the burial cloth
that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded up by itself,
separate from the linen." (NIV)

So there were several cloths, with a separate one around Jesus' head.

Also, the body could not have been washed, since there are bloodstains
on the Shroud. But that would have been unusual for the Jews.