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"Pastor Steve Winter" |
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14 Oct 2006 11:12:19 AM |
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Re: The Word of Faith movement EXPOSED |
"Dave" <noneedforyoutoknow@nospam.com> spake thusly and wrote:
Funny thing about the Bible. It doesn't really tell someone that he or she
should or should not believe in the Trinity. Sure, it's a bizarre
interpretation, but
Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the
faith,as ye have been taught, abounding therein with
thanksgiving. Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through
philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the
rudiments of the world,and not after Christ. Col 2:9 For in him
dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Col 2:10 And ye
are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and
power:
It is good that the Lord saw fit to warn us against trinitarians
and the like, that teach the tradition of men. They simply don't
believe the Bible. They often even admit that they don't believe
that Jesus is God. Notice how verse 10 says "HIM" not "them".
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his
redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the
last; and beside me [there is] no God.
Isaiah 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee
from that time, and have declared [it]? ye [are] even my
witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, [there is] no God; I
know not [any].
Don't you think that if there were any other "persons" or gods
here, that God would have known about it. Who is the liar? God or
the trinitarian?
Isaiah 45:5 I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there
is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known
me:
Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring [them] near; yea, let them take
counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? [who]
hath told it from that time? [have] not I the LORD? and [there
is] no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; [there is]
none beside me.
Hosea 13:4 Yet I [am] the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt,
and thou shalt know no god but me: for [there is] no saviour
beside me.
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that
formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all
[things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth
abroad the earth by myself;
Here this teaches that God created the earth by Himself.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with
you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me
hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the
Father?
Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they
seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they
understand.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall
be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting
Father, The Prince of Peace.
Jesus is God, come to the world , in the flesh. I hope the reader
can see the ravings of the trinitarian for what they are. They
even admit that they don't believe that Jesus is really God, yet
they claim to be Christian.
Some of the viler of the "god squad" cultists will attempt to
insult real Christians by calling them "Jesus only". In addition
to taking the name of the Lord in vain and exposing themselves
that Jesus is certainly not their lord, they expose themselves as
polytheistic.
The manmade Roman "trinity" is their idol "god squad". The Bible
so clearly warns against their polytheistic philosophies.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain
deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the
world,and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead
bodily.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all
principality and power:
How could the Bible be any clearer in its warning against the
trinity cultists, and their clever sounding, three god,
philosophies.
Pastor sTeve Winter
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: The Word of Faith movement EXPOSED |
14 Oct 2006 11:09:49 PM |
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"Pastor Steve Winter" <steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote in message
news:2032j29i39l0k24e4d2t2aauc13lbjqm8a@4ax.com...
"Dave" <noneedforyoutoknow@nospam.com> spake thusly and wrote:
Funny thing about the Bible. It doesn't really tell someone that he or
she
should or should not believe in the Trinity. Sure, it's a bizarre
interpretation, but
Col 2:7...
Yawn...
Snip more of the same.
So what do we get? We get "proof-texting." The funny thing about that is
that those who believe in the Trinity can do the same thing. Winter and I
had this argument years ago. He tried the same thing, that is, a series of
verses that don't address the specific issue, at all, but are twisted to do
so. I've already said that the Trinity is an interpretation. Winter's view
is also an interpretation. They say it's in there and toss out a few
verses. He says it's not and he tosses out a few verses.
The manmade Roman "trinity" is their idol "god squad".
The fact is that it's all "manmade," including Winter's beliefs.
The Bible so clearly warns against their polytheistic philosophies.
In fact, the Trinity is not a polytheistic belief, but Winter is no more
honest about the beliefs of others than some of the trinitarians tend to be.
Snip more proof-texting.
How could the Bible be any clearer in its warning against the
trinity cultists, and their clever sounding, three god,
philosophies.
I would submit that the Bible could be much clearer on the subject, but
that's never going to happen, so maybe...
Pastor sTeve Winter
....Winter can simply tell us who ordained him.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Word of Faith movement EXPOSED |
15 Oct 2006 10:01:34 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:09:49 -0700, "Dave"
<noneedforyoutoknow@nospam.com> wrote:
...Winter can simply tell us who ordained him.
just like johnnie?
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| User: "gatekeeper" |
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| Title: Re: The Word of Faith movement EXPOSED |
14 Oct 2006 03:38:49 PM |
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Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
"Dave" <noneedforyoutok...@nospam.com> spake thusly and wrote:
Funny thing about the Bible. It doesn't really tell someone that he or she
should or should not believe in the Trinity. Sure, it's a bizarre
interpretation, but
Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the
faith,as ye have been taught, abounding therein with
thanksgiving. Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through
philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the
rudiments of the world,and not after Christ. Col 2:9 For in him
dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Col 2:10 And ye
are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and
power:
It is good that the Lord saw fit to warn us against trinitarians
and the like, that teach the tradition of men. They simply don't
believe the Bible. They often even admit that they don't believe
that Jesus is God. Notice how verse 10 says "HIM" not "them".
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his
redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the
last; and beside me [there is] no God.
Isaiah 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee
from that time, and have declared [it]? ye [are] even my
witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, [there is] no God; I
know not [any].
Don't you think that if there were any other "persons" or gods
here, that God would have known about it. Who is the liar? God or
the trinitarian?
Isaiah 45:5 I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there
is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known
me:
Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring [them] near; yea, let them take
counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? [who]
hath told it from that time? [have] not I the LORD? and [there
is] no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; [there is]
none beside me.
Hosea 13:4 Yet I [am] the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt,
and thou shalt know no god but me: for [there is] no saviour
beside me.
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that
formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all
[things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth
abroad the earth by myself;
Here this teaches that God created the earth by Himself.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with
you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me
hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the
Father?
Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they
seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they
understand.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall
be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting
Father, The Prince of Peace.
Jesus is God, come to the world , in the flesh. I hope the reader
can see the ravings of the trinitarian for what they are. They
even admit that they don't believe that Jesus is really God, yet
they claim to be Christian.
Some of the viler of the "god squad" cultists will attempt to
insult real Christians by calling them "Jesus only". In addition
to taking the name of the Lord in vain and exposing themselves
that Jesus is certainly not their lord, they expose themselves as
polytheistic.
The manmade Roman "trinity" is their idol "god squad". The Bible
so clearly warns against their polytheistic philosophies.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain
deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the
world,and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead
bodily.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all
principality and power:
How could the Bible be any clearer in its warning against the
trinity cultists, and their clever sounding, three god,
philosophies.
Pastor sTeve Winter
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
So what is your point? Anyone can post scriptures that they say prove
their point, but your point is lost in all the scriptures that you have
posted! I expect that if 100 came along, and used these exact
scriptures, they would have 100 various observations, and conclusions
of what these scriptures supposedly teach! So what is your point,
clearly stated! Then we can search the scriptures to see if these
things are as you say!
So who do you say Jesus is?
The Eastgate is open, the King is in residence! Whosoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
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