"Abby" <abbyh@tidewater.edu.org>
These are the four passages where God speaks for Himself and uses plural
pronouns:
1.. "Then God [plural elohim] said, "Let Us [plural pronoun] make man in
Our [plural pronoun] image, according to Our [plural pronoun] likeness"
Genesis 1:26
2.. "Then Yahweh God [plural elohim] said, "Behold, the man has become
like one of Us [plural pronoun], knowing good and evil" Genesis 3:22
3.. "Come, let Us [plural pronoun] go down and there confuse [plural form
of balal] their language, so that they will not understand one another's
speech." Genesis 11:7
4.. "Then I heard the voice of the Lord [plural elohim], saying, "Whom
shall I send, and who will go for Us [plural pronoun]?"" Isaiah 6:8
Abby
Abby,
Have you ever considered that the Bible shows that God was talking
about Himself AND some other person with Him at that time? (who was
not some mysterious part of God) The "us" and "our" statements would
certainly fit that situation, would it not? So let's see who it could
be.
Do you know who was the first creation by God? We have all those
created life forms up in Heaven, so one of them had to be first. Col
1:15,
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation."
(NASB)
Yes, Jesus in his prehuman form, was the first of God's many creative
acts. Of course since the Bible tells us that Jesus was a created
being, he therefore is always inferior to God. And that is what other
Bible Scriptures say. For example Joh 14:28,
"You heard me say, `I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If
you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the
Father is greater than I." (NIV)
Also, Jesus' personal pick of an apostle, the apostle Paul, wrote that
even when Jesus was resurrected and went back to Heaven to be with
God, Jesus was still inferior to God. (if Jesus was some mysterious
part of a trinity thing, then one would expect him to be equal to God
then) 1 Co 11:3,
"Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and
the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God." (NIV)
Thus Jesus was with God when God was creating the first humans. But
Jesus was not only viewing those creations, but was in some way
participating in them. As Col 1:16 goes on to say:
"For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth,
visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or
authorities -- all things have been created through Him and for Him."
(NASB)
So in conclusion, God was using His creative powers "through" Jesus
when He was creating the first humans. Thus the "us" and "our" is
talking about 2 separate people engaging in a creative work. (just
like a human father might ask his son to help him on some work
project)
I hope the above Scriptures have shown you that the post-Biblical
Trinity doctrine need not be the way things are. (even the word
"Trinity" is not found anywhere in the Bible)
Sincerely, James
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