Religions > Bible > Re: Ultra-Orthodox Jews attack Christian tourists in Jerusalem
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"Terry Cross" |
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02 Jul 2006 03:46:40 AM |
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Re: Ultra-Orthodox Jews attack Christian tourists in Jerusalem |
wrote:
cindys wrote:
He cleverly omitted my follow-up, which was an eyewitness report, confirmed
by a second eyewitness that the tourists in question were actively
missionizing, had been politely asked to leave the area several times and
had refused, and their T-shirts in fact read "My God is your God," NOT "Love
Thy Neighbor" as the media report.
It figures. (The missionizing, that is, not the Morris snippage, which
isn't all that clever, just dishonest.) As to the missionizers, I had
thought some benefit of the doubt was due, in case they'd fallen in
with a group of Neturei Krakpots. Alas, they were only more
missionizers.
Here was my follow-up:
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I hope I'm not violating any copyright laws by posting the following:
People have been posting stuff from the Jlem Post for years, nobody's
been sued yet. Probably they put it down to free advertising.
In the
talkback section of the online Jerusalem post, a gentleman named "Michael"
wrote:
---begin quote---
I was in the area when this all happened, and this is what I saw: 1. These
people were missionaries actively engaged in proseltyzing at the main
intersection of Mea Shaarim. 2. They were asked, respectfully and
peacefully, to please stop what they were doing and to leave the area, (just
as you or I would stop someone in a business or technology park from vocally
promoting the wearing of Tefilin, or begging in and around restaurants.) 3.
A full 1/2 hour later they were still there being asked to leave. 4. Their
orange shirts said, "Our God is your God", which is not quite the same as
"Love thy neighbor". 5. The Haredi hot-heads (yes every sector has them)
didn't get violent until the police came. Israeli society would be much more
pleasant for everyone if the news media took a more neutral stance,
That'll be the day.
and if
readers would understand that if something sounds outlandish ("Haredim
attack tourists"), there's probably more to the story.
A variation on the advice that, if it's too good to be true, it's
probably too good to be true.
---end quote---
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Aren't visitors to Israel aware that, for very good reasons which ought
to be obvious, proselytizing religion -- ANY religion, Judaism included
-- is against the law?
If we must talk OBVIOUS, the obvious "good reason" is - in those
quarters and under those conditions - Judaism is a cult in the worst
sense of the word. Paranoid to the max, the leaders think the
believers will continue to follow only if they hear nothing else. They
must live in a hothouse, an echo-chamber of their own doctrines.
Purity of belief will continue only with intellectual deprivation.
It is a very sad indicator of the security and desirability of their
religion.
TCross
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03 Jul 2006 02:19:18 PM |
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cindys wrote:
He cleverly omitted my follow-up, which was an eyewitness report, confirmed
by a second eyewitness that the tourists in question were actively
missionizing, had been politely asked to leave the area several times and
had refused, and their T-shirts in fact read "My God is your God," NOT "Love
Thy Neighbor" as the media report.
It figures. (The missionizing, that is, not the Morris snippage, which
isn't all that clever, just dishonest.) As to the missionizers, I had
thought some benefit of the doubt was due, in case they'd fallen in
with a group of Neturei Krakpots. Alas, they were only more
missionizers.
Here was my follow-up:
--------
I hope I'm not violating any copyright laws by posting the following:
People have been posting stuff from the Jlem Post for years, nobody's
been sued yet. Probably they put it down to free advertising.
In the
talkback section of the online Jerusalem post, a gentleman named "Michael"
wrote:
---begin quote---
I was in the area when this all happened, and this is what I saw: 1. These
people were missionaries actively engaged in proseltyzing at the main
intersection of Mea Shaarim. 2. They were asked, respectfully and
peacefully, to please stop what they were doing and to leave the area, (just
as you or I would stop someone in a business or technology park from vocally
promoting the wearing of Tefilin, or begging in and around restaurants.) 3.
A full 1/2 hour later they were still there being asked to leave. 4. Their
orange shirts said, "Our God is your God", which is not quite the same as
"Love thy neighbor". 5. The Haredi hot-heads (yes every sector has them)
didn't get violent until the police came. Israeli society would be much more
pleasant for everyone if the news media took a more neutral stance,
That'll be the day.
and if
readers would understand that if something sounds outlandish ("Haredim
attack tourists"), there's probably more to the story.
A variation on the advice that, if it's too good to be true, it's
probably too good to be true.
---end quote---
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Aren't visitors to Israel aware that, for very good reasons which ought
to be obvious, proselytizing religion -- ANY religion, Judaism included
-- is against the law?
Terry Cross wrote:
If we must talk OBVIOUS,
Or stupidity -- Terry's forte.
the obvious "good reason" is - in those
quarters and under those conditions - Judaism is a cult in the worst
sense of the word.
So go join the liberal philogynistic faith of Islam, and don't forget
to hold on to your clitoris.
Deborah
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| Title: Re: Ultra-Orthodox Jews attack MISSIONIZING BIGOTS in Jerusalem |
04 Jul 2006 05:24:50 AM |
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On 3-Jul-2006, wrote:
Aren't visitors to Israel aware that, for very good reasons which
ought
to be obvious, proselytizing religion -- ANY religion, Judaism
included
-- is against the law?
Terry Cross wrote:
If we must talk OBVIOUS,
Or stupidity -- Terry's forte.
the obvious "good reason" is - in those
quarters and under those conditions - Judaism is a cult in the worst
sense of the word.
So go join the liberal philogynistic faith of Islam, and don't forget
to hold on to your clitoris.
What the lying bigot refuses to acknowledge is that one of the
qualifications for being a "cult" includes/demands missionizing.
Susan
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| User: "Mordecai! mldavisplease dont" |
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02 Jul 2006 04:49:20 AM |
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Terry Cross wrote:
dsharavi@gmail.com wrote:
cindys wrote:
He cleverly omitted my follow-up, which was an eyewitness report, confirmed
by a second eyewitness that the tourists in question were actively
missionizing, had been politely asked to leave the area several times and
had refused, and their T-shirts in fact read "My God is your God," NOT "Love
Thy Neighbor" as the media report.
It figures. (The missionizing, that is, not the Morris snippage, which
isn't all that clever, just dishonest.) As to the missionizers, I had
thought some benefit of the doubt was due, in case they'd fallen in
with a group of Neturei Krakpots. Alas, they were only more
missionizers.
Here was my follow-up:
--------
I hope I'm not violating any copyright laws by posting the following:
People have been posting stuff from the Jlem Post for years, nobody's
been sued yet. Probably they put it down to free advertising.
In the
talkback section of the online Jerusalem post, a gentleman named "Michael"
wrote:
---begin quote---
I was in the area when this all happened, and this is what I saw: 1. These
people were missionaries actively engaged in proseltyzing at the main
intersection of Mea Shaarim. 2. They were asked, respectfully and
peacefully, to please stop what they were doing and to leave the area, (just
as you or I would stop someone in a business or technology park from vocally
promoting the wearing of Tefilin, or begging in and around restaurants.) 3.
A full 1/2 hour later they were still there being asked to leave. 4. Their
orange shirts said, "Our God is your God", which is not quite the same as
"Love thy neighbor". 5. The Haredi hot-heads (yes every sector has them)
didn't get violent until the police came. Israeli society would be much more
pleasant for everyone if the news media took a more neutral stance,
That'll be the day.
and if
readers would understand that if something sounds outlandish ("Haredim
attack tourists"), there's probably more to the story.
A variation on the advice that, if it's too good to be true, it's
probably too good to be true.
---end quote---
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Aren't visitors to Israel aware that, for very good reasons which ought
to be obvious, proselytizing religion -- ANY religion, Judaism included
-- is against the law?
If we must talk OBVIOUS, the obvious "good reason" is - in those
quarters and under those conditions - Judaism is a cult in the worst
sense of the word. Paranoid to the max, the leaders think the
believers will continue to follow only if they hear nothing else. They
must live in a hothouse, an echo-chamber of their own doctrines.
Purity of belief will continue only with intellectual deprivation.
It is a very sad indicator of the security and desirability of their
religion.
TCross
How nice to know what I am doing.
Any time I need advice on my family, or my sex life, or my boss - I can go to you
and get advice.
I told you about reality. Your ideas on reality are so far away from reality that
your advise and knowledge are rejected.
More, you have shown no desire to close the gap.
Might I suggest in the same vein that you take the pot of water out off your
refrigerator - it is about to catch fire.
That is the level of knowledge and advise you are giving ...
If you cannot listen to nonsense like this ... and your should not ... then no Jew
should listen to your advise either.
Don't blame us if your advice is nonsensical ... because the only person who can
change your perspective is you - and you steadfastly refuse.
it is impossible for us to listen - so we do not.
You blame us - we blame you ... but I like reality. If you wanted to knock the
politics in Israel - right on. If you want to despise the fact we do not follow our
own laws on - say - environmental damage ... great. The laws are there, they are not
used.
If you want to mock our ineptitude at politics - FINE.
All of those are genuine ... real and honest criticism.
if you want to disbelieve in Judaism - fine You do not have to like our religion.
If you want to hate the laws of Judaism Islam, and Christianity - fine again. You
can tell your own government to flush them down the toilet ... because they accepted
them into your legal systems in all three classes of nation, in one way or another.
Yelling at us will not change your nations laws.
If you want us to stop worshipping idols ... then you damn well have to make sure we
are worshipping idols before you open your mouth!
Reality does not change with your words ...
Now - if you feel I am an idiot if I asked you to get a pot of water out of your
fridge because it is going to catch fire - so likewise when you accuse us of doing
something we are not doing - then your words are likewise rejected as idiotic.
Sigh - You want us to hate you so you can justify your hatred for us. There is no
other reason I can deduce for you to do this - and you have admitted you are
deliberately provoking us.
If you do not come as an out and out enemy - then peace is possible.
If you come as an out and out enemy, and peace is not possible, we have no choice
but to fight back.
Fighting back does not prove we are antagonistic.
But if you want to prove us to be antagonistic - this is a great way to rationalize
your ideas.
You can flush truth down the toilet and show how hateful we are.
Go and play "Morris" somewhere else.
Choose truth.
For your own sake ...
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Mordecai!
When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is wrong,
and reality is Never wrong.
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| User: "\Mark T\ thinkaboutwh@youaredoing783265678658765870653" |
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02 Jul 2006 06:12:42 PM |
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"Mordecai!" wrote:
How nice to know what I am doing.
Any time I need advice on my family, or my sex life, or my boss - I can go
to you
and get advice.
Why is Terry so cross? Obviously you are defined as "not a neighbour"!
That way you don't have to be loved. ;-)
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| User: "Mordecai! mldavisplease dont" |
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02 Jul 2006 07:37:21 PM |
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\"Mark T\" wrote:
"Mordecai!" wrote:
How nice to know what I am doing.
Any time I need advice on my family, or my sex life, or my boss - I can go
to you
and get advice.
Why is Terry so cross? Obviously you are defined as "not a neighbour"!
That way you don't have to be loved. ;-)
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Pagans
Atheists
New Agers
Secular Hunanists
Evolutionists
Scientists
Academics
Negroes
Jews
Asians
Middle-Eastern people
Aboriginals
The people next door
Enemies
Anyone I don't like
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Terry has come with a set of beliefs ... which she has formed. I do not know
where, what, why or how such beliefs are formed, but they were hers.
In the belief - there is a set of ideas on JC - a set of ideas on the mosaic law
- and a set of ideas on the jews.
In many ways - these ideas are correct. They are based upon genuine observation
of religion and people.
They are common insights of various culture ....
They were based upon genuine NT reading. They are dependable ideas. They are not
the normal ideas.
However, they do not fit - and when she came here - it became obvious they could
not fit.
This is quite normal - Emma who has respect from all - now - was determined that
Jews were attacking her when she first came. We presented a POV which was so
alien to her that by our very existence - challenged her POV. And in her eyes -
this challenge was a deliberate, provocative and malicious attack on her
religion.
She attacked us for our provocation ... after all, in her eyes, she was
defending herself.
It took Emma over six months before she could change - and the crisis was enough
for her to doubt her own religion. She seriously considered converting. I am
glad to say Emma did not.
This ... crisis of beliefs is quite common. We have ideas - we hold on to them -
we try to prove them - we try to force others - ideas, people, religion, reality
.... to fit our POV.
You can see various responses in recent posts to people who in like ways - have
come face to face with reality.
One is Suzanne - how the HS is telling her ...
Mark, you know the emotions which you went through when you were forced to
change your ideas on both Trinity and your religion. How dark the emotions and
how your world was turned upside down. This is the crisis of Suzanne.
I explained this crisis and she denied the very crisis. It was her HS telling
her something was wrong outside. It ws not her OWN emotions at all.
Another is Randy - he has peculiar ideas on the law. I defined it for him.
As such - he could change. Instead he gave his own ideas. They were no comment
upon mine - he just rejected it as though I had not spoken and shoved his ideas
and words which he did not explain - so I might speak in his terms, his
language. He will not use the words of the bible, he uses HIS words to explain
his POV about the bible.
He cannot change. In fact - this was the man with whom I discussed a genuine
desire to change and was incapable of doing so.
Another was that set of posts on trinity. You saw some of the responses ..."This
is fact ... "
But the desire was the same desire - do not force me to change.
Terry is confronted by us ... and is striving to force us into her world view.
We will not change. In fact, we cannot. Nor can the law.
Ergo the clash between reality and her ideas ... and reality cannot change.
This is the contradiction.
Morris - is another perfect example. His clash resulted with him firmly and
sincerely rejecting reality. This is the way many people decide not to change.
I know well how deep the crisis of beliefs is ... and the effort it takes to
change and to cross.
I have offered a tool called truth to encourage people to build a bridge between
their ideas about reality - and reality.
It is a hard tool to learn, a hard tool to use. It is the only tool I can think
of which allows people to change.
Terry has to fight this deep - hard - intractable battle alone - in the depths
of her own heart.
I do not know the outcome.
If she changes - and takes up truth - she will be here for a few years learning
- and then do as we do - go off into the wilderness and see whatever there is to
see -and come and report this to others. Naturally, they will no more believe
her than believe us.Yet, she already has so many of the attributes of a truth
seeker.
OTOH She could become like Morris.
Ah - we will find out.
This is not about her current beliefs which are false. They cannot stand up to
reality.
This is her reaction to being shown what is wrong.
There was a man - a very righteous man -a very good man called Cain. he spoke
with G_d and he had an idea. I will tell you the idea in the heart of Cain - he
desired to be a priest before the Almighty. He wanted this ...
At the time of sacrifice, both he and his brother came with an offering. Abel's
offering was accepted - Cain's was not.
Cain's idea had changed him already - he acted as though his desire to be a
priest was a foregone conclusion. Abel OTOH - had no such belief that it was
inevitable -and thus gave the best of what he had, seeking for acceptability or
to delight the Almighty.
Abel's offering was accepted, Cain's was not.
This presented to Cain - a problem. Reality was the problem he got ... upset.
he was "supposed" to be priest - his offering was "supposed' to be accepted. It
MUST be accepted - something is WRONG!
And the Almighty spoke to him - why are you depressed and sad? if you do well,
you will gain acceptance with me.
If you do not, this wrong idea is sitting at your very soul ... and if you
succumb - this wrong idea will then become a very part of you. You will still be
in charge but the idea will give wrong emotions which you will not be able to
resolve.
Cain obviously chose ... and his response was to kill Abel. After all, if he was
'predestined" to be a priest - and he was not a priest - then there was
something wrong with reality, and he was really 'supposed to be a priest' and
thus the problem was obviously abel ... who equally obviously stole his position
- so Cain slew Abel. It was 'simply justice - he stole my position as priest."
This is where we see both what his sin was - and how he coped for when he heard
his punishment.
He lamented on his loss of place with the Almighty ... which was more important
to him than his own life.
In the post - I mentioned examples of this idea ...
Several of the people who ... when confronted with reality - strike out against
reality blindly.
"There is no crisis - this is reality ... here are facts. "
Suzanne with the emotional crisis.
Morris with his rejection of reality.
Emma with her ability to adapt.
When your ideas about reality hit reality ... and they conflict ... something
is wrong.
Cain's ideas and hopes hit reality. When his offering was rejected - only then
could he choose.
He could keep his desires and beliefs ... his fantasy. Or he could change and
accept reality and give up his wrong thought.
Please note, he could have become a priest - that was even promised to him.
But it was not his by right ... it was up to the Almighty, not his own desires.
Terry is still to choose.
--
Mordecai!
When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
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02 Jul 2006 08:14:45 PM |
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"Mordecai!" wrote:
Why is Terry so cross? Obviously you are defined as "not a neighbour"!
That way you don't have to be loved. ;-)
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This ... crisis of beliefs is quite common. We have ideas - we hold on to
them -
we try to prove them - we try to force others - ideas, people, religion,
reality
... to fit our POV.
Mea culpa! Mea maxima culpa!
I'm still learning.
Mark, you know the emotions which you went through when you were forced to
change your ideas on both Trinity and your religion. How dark the emotions
and
how your world was turned upside down.
Yep! The dark night(s) of the soul.
I know well how deep the crisis of beliefs is ... and the effort it takes
to
change and to cross.
I have offered a tool called truth to encourage people to build a bridge
between
their ideas about reality - and reality.
It is a hard tool to learn, a hard tool to use. It is the only tool I can
think
of which allows people to change.
I value truth ... but it hurts when you find it out. The struggle is real.
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02 Jul 2006 11:38:19 PM |
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Terry Cross wrote:
dsharavi@gmail.com wrote:
cindys wrote:
He cleverly omitted my follow-up, which was an eyewitness report, confirmed
by a second eyewitness that the tourists in question were actively
missionizing, had been politely asked to leave the area several times and
had refused, and their T-shirts in fact read "My God is your God," NOT "Love
Thy Neighbor" as the media report.
It figures. (The missionizing, that is, not the Morris snippage, which
isn't all that clever, just dishonest.) As to the missionizers, I had
thought some benefit of the doubt was due, in case they'd fallen in
with a group of Neturei Krakpots. Alas, they were only more
missionizers.
Here was my follow-up:
--------
I hope I'm not violating any copyright laws by posting the following:
People have been posting stuff from the Jlem Post for years, nobody's
been sued yet. Probably they put it down to free advertising.
In the
talkback section of the online Jerusalem post, a gentleman named "Michael"
wrote:
---begin quote---
I was in the area when this all happened, and this is what I saw: 1. These
people were missionaries actively engaged in proseltyzing at the main
intersection of Mea Shaarim. 2. They were asked, respectfully and
peacefully, to please stop what they were doing and to leave the area, (just
as you or I would stop someone in a business or technology park from vocally
promoting the wearing of Tefilin, or begging in and around restaurants.) 3.
A full 1/2 hour later they were still there being asked to leave. 4. Their
orange shirts said, "Our God is your God", which is not quite the same as
"Love thy neighbor". 5. The Haredi hot-heads (yes every sector has them)
didn't get violent until the police came. Israeli society would be much more
pleasant for everyone if the news media took a more neutral stance,
That'll be the day.
and if
readers would understand that if something sounds outlandish ("Haredim
attack tourists"), there's probably more to the story.
A variation on the advice that, if it's too good to be true, it's
probably too good to be true.
---end quote---
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Aren't visitors to Israel aware that, for very good reasons which ought
to be obvious, proselytizing religion -- ANY religion, Judaism included
-- is against the law?
If we must talk OBVIOUS, the obvious "good reason" is - in those
quarters and under those conditions - Judaism is a cult in the worst
sense of the word. Paranoid to the max, the leaders think the
believers will continue to follow only if they hear nothing else. They
must live in a hothouse, an echo-chamber of their own doctrines.
Purity of belief will continue only with intellectual deprivation.
It is a very sad indicator of the security and desirability of their
religion.
TCross
It is our way of life. So why don't you post to a gentile newsgroup
because you are not wanted here.
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| Title: Ultra-Orthodox Jews Attack Freedom |
03 Jul 2006 12:29:47 AM |
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NefeshBarYochai wrote:
Terry Cross wrote:
dsharavi@gmail.com wrote:
Aren't visitors to Israel aware that, for very good reasons which ought
to be obvious, proselytizing religion -- ANY religion, Judaism included
-- is against the law?
If we must talk OBVIOUS, the obvious "good reason" is - in those
quarters and under those conditions - Judaism is a cult in the worst
sense of the word. Paranoid to the max, the leaders think the
believers will continue to follow only if they hear nothing else. They
must live in a hothouse, an echo-chamber of their own doctrines.
Purity of belief will continue only with intellectual deprivation.
It is a very sad indicator of the security and desirability of their
religion.
TCross
It is our way of life. So why don't you post to a gentile newsgroup
because you are not wanted here.
You should be aware that the zombie existence you crave is not in
keeping with American philosphy and ideals. You should also be aware
that while you are in America, you do not have the legal right to
enforce that mental enslavement on your wives or children. If your
slaves, your children, or your wives escape from Israel, they can claim
political refuge status under US law.
TCross
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| User: "cindys" |
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03 Jul 2006 03:52:48 PM |
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"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151904587.114237.64630@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
You should also be aware
that while you are in America, you do not have the legal right to
enforce that mental enslavement on your wives or children. If your
slaves, your children, or your wives escape from Israel, they can claim
political refuge status under US law.
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What are you babbling about? Slaves? Escape from Israel? Political Refugee
status? Maybe you fell asleep and dreamed you were in a Arab Muslim Country.
Israel is a secular Western democracy. There aren't any slaves in Israel,
and anyone can leave at any time. It's as easy as buying an airplane ticket.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
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| User: "Deborah Sharavi" |
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03 Jul 2006 02:47:00 PM |
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Terry Cross wrote:
You should be aware that the zombie existence you crave is not in
keeping with American philosphy and ideals.
American philosophy and ideals are clearly represented on American
Idol.
You should also be aware
that while you are in America, you do not have the legal right to
enforce that mental enslavement on your wives or children.
To obtain the legl right to enforce mental and physical enslavement on
your wives and chidlren, you'd have to move to a Muslim Arab country.
Deborah
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| User: "Terry Cross" |
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03 Jul 2006 07:04:04 PM |
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Deborah Sharavi wrote:
Terry Cross wrote:
You should be aware that the zombie existence you crave is not in
keeping with American philosphy and ideals.
American philosophy and ideals are clearly represented on American
Idol.
And so they call you "Ditsy."
If that is as much of America as you understand, hopefully you have
found another place to live.
TCross
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03 Jul 2006 07:39:00 PM |
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Terry Cross wrote:
You should be aware that the zombie existence you crave is not in
keeping with American philosphy and ideals.
American philosophy and ideals are clearly represented on American
Idol.
Terry Cross wrote:
And so they call you "Ditsy."
If that is as much of America as you understand, hopefully you have
found another place to live.
TCross
It's very nice where I am. It will be nicer after you visit your
Islamic paradise of Saudia.
Deborah
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03 Jul 2006 08:26:04 PM |
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wrote:
Terry Cross wrote:
You should be aware that the zombie existence you crave is not in
keeping with American philosphy and ideals.
American philosophy and ideals are clearly represented on American
Idol.
Terry Cross wrote:
And so they call you "Ditsy."
If that is as much of America as you understand, hopefully you have
found another place to live.
TCross
It's very nice where I am in my
Islamic paradise of Saudia.
Deborah
Hm. And with equal truth.
TCross
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02 Jul 2006 08:45:03 AM |
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Terry said:
If we must talk OBVIOUS, the obvious "good reason" is - in those
quarters and under those conditions - Judaism is a cult in the worst
sense of the word. Paranoid to the max, the leaders think the
believers will continue to follow only if they hear nothing else. They
must live in a hothouse, an echo-chamber of their own doctrines.
Purity of belief will continue only with intellectual deprivation.
It is a very sad indicator of the security and desirability of their
religion.
TCross
Terry is a recruiter for Islam. She slams everything hoping to weaken
Truth.
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02 Jul 2006 10:14:55 AM |
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Terry said:
If we must talk OBVIOUS, the obvious "good reason" is - in those
quarters and under those conditions - Judaism is a cult in the worst
sense of the word. Paranoid to the max, the leaders think the
believers will continue to follow only if they hear nothing else. They
must live in a hothouse, an echo-chamber of their own doctrines.
Purity of belief will continue only with intellectual deprivation.
It is a very sad indicator of the security and desirability of their
religion.
TCross
Mary Hogan wrote:
Terry is a recruiter for Islam. She slams everything hoping to weaken
Truth.
How so? She's even stupider about Islam than she is about Judaism. And
you've seen how stupid she is about Judaism.
Deborah
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