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"Mistylien" |
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01 Jul 2007 03:07:18 AM |
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Re: Vatican City? |
"nwd" <nwd53@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 29, 5:22?am, "Mistylien" <yardhol...@charter.net> wrote:
<snip>
The Bible tell us Babylon is the city of satan. Babylon that sets on
the Euphrates River.
BCV please, if the Bible really says babylon is the City of satan.
and that it sits on the Euphrated River.
M,
See Rev 17:9 one more time and verse 18 again
#######
Nowhere in the Bible is Vaican City mentioned, M. You can not show one
place that Vatican City is mentioned. Take your Concordance and look
up the city of Babylon
M,
It is not called Vatican City but it does show where it sits.
Revelion 17:5 is referring to that woman that sits on the many waters.
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m:
Babylon sits on seven Hills, (in Rome)
Revelation 17: (notice verses 9 and Verse 18
9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on
which
the woman sitteth.
#########
nwd:
7 hills are peoples or nations. Look at Rev 17:1 and 15.
Rev 17 1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls
came and talked with me, saying to me, "Come, I will show you
the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters,
Rev17:1(b)"Come, I will show you the punishment of the great
prostitute, who sits by many waters. (nations or peoples)
M,
That is exactly where the papacy gets it people from as slaves and
as a dictator over.
Maybe some time we may discuss the second Beast of Rev 13.
but not now.
##########
How many of the Vatican guards, in those crazy uniforms, have you seen
or heard of, that are trying to blow up your cities and kill your
children?
Every officer of that Harot take the blasphemous name that denotes
they can take the place of the Lord Jesus Christ.
or THE VICAR OF CHRIST if you will.
That nation owns all of the law inforcment organizations of all of
the nation's cities that I know of.
If you read farther on you may see;
2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the
inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication."
3 So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw
a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy,
having seven heads and ten horns.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<snip>
M,
What is more rich then the Vatican with all of it's treasures and
Political and religeous power it had before it received it's deadly wound
in 1798 when that pope was arrested?
########
nwd
The Vatican is just like everyone else. Let us see how much power they
have when their oil is cut ogg.
See Rev 17:2 above and about the kings of the Earth thing.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Rev.17:15 The the angels said to me, " The waters you saw, where the
prostitute sits, are ~peoples, multitudes, nations and languages~."
NOT DIRT HILLS, M.
M,
IS THAT WHAT REV 17;9 SAYS?
or is that what I said?
9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads
are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
(This is dirt hills my friend)
#########
nwd
Seven heads/seven mountains are symbolic. It is not talking about the
terrain around Vatican City in Rome.
M,
Are you sure?.
^^^^^^^^^
M writes:
10And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet
come;
and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven,
and
goeth into perdition.
#######
nwd:
The ~one that is~ was the beast of John's day. The ~other has not
come~ will be empowered when satan is desposed from heaven. This RIGHT
HERE ~rules out the Catholic Church.~
M,
Yes it was the Beast of Johns day and it was the one that had exiled him on
the isl of patmos.
The other one was to come after that Roman empire was debunked and
another "ROME" came into existances but it was different.
as you may read in Daniel 7:7 ff.
#######
nwd
All 3 beasts join to become one enity. This goes with Rev.6:7-8
www.zionministry.com? ~The Beast of Daniel~ page 21
We are talking ~physical~, M. Satan has placed in your mind everything
is going to be one big spiritual party; it's not. God is going to have
a ~physical~ kingdon on this earth.
God has been building his physical City from the very day He came up
out of the grave.
See John 20
and Luke 24.
The earth has NOT seen the Day of the Lord, yet. What the Jews went
through at the hands of the Germans is nothing to what is coming on
the House of Israel. If you are looking at the Vatican and the
Pope.....you are going to be hit right between the eyes.
I have been hit right in the Eye of understanding already.
Who was the first Pope to take the Throne in Vatican in 538 AD.
How many years did that office be in continous order until the
Pope of 1798 was arrested and he became subject to some other king
and not as if he was authority over kings as popes claimed all that
1260 years or Prophetic 'DAYS'?
M, you are the reason I'm back on here. You ask me to teach you. Well,
I'm not the prophet, Neville is. But I ~believe~ him! I believe what
God has shown him. I have taken my Bible and searched and researched
what has been said....from the Bible!
Believe that what you will but the Bible has words that far surpass that fellow
Neville you so love to worship in place of The Creator Lord God, aka
The Living Work of God.
^^^^^^^^^^
12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom
as
yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is
Lord
of
lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and
faithful.
#########
nwd:
The purpose of these 10 kings (nations or peoples) is to make war
against the Lamb and the Brotherhood (those called to fight)
Yes they are to give power to the Harlot to persicute the real Saints but they also
will hate the Harlot and burn her with fire.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
15And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the ***** sitteth, are
peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
###########
nwd
Wates has been explained, but this may help you.
M,
Read all of the Chapter not just that what you wish to channel your
Idea to your own shame.
www.zionministry.com
Beast of Daniel page 27 and Habakkuk Identifies BAbylon page 10
##########
16And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the *****,
and
shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
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nwd:
No need to go any further. If u can't understand the above u will not
be able to understand verse 16
M,
No need to stop were it is convienient for you,
read on to verse 18.
and while you are in retreat you may also read the next 2
Chapters of Revelation as well. That is Rev 18 and 19.
M,
17For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their
kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
18And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings
of
the earth.
18And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which
reigneth over the kings of the earth.
That was the first vatican papacy before 1798!
M,
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| User: "nwd" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican City? |
02 Jul 2007 11:20:16 AM |
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On Jul 1, 4:07?am, "Mistylien" <yardhol...@charter.net>
nwd
The Bible tell us Babylon is the city of satan. Babylon that sets on
the Euphrates River.
^^^^^^^^^^
M
BCV ?please,
nwd
What does BCV mean?
M
?if the Bible really ?says ?babylon is the City of satan.
and that it sits on the Euphrated River.
nwd
Isa 14:3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall
give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear,and from the hard
bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of
Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city
ceased
Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked and the scepter
of the rulers
Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke he
that ruled the nations in anger is persecuted and none hindereth.
www.zionministry.com Article ~Habakkuk Identifies Babylon~ page 17
Jeremiah speaks of Babylon in Jere.51:24. ~Satan and His Demon
rulers~ page 11-13
The article ~Habakkuk Identifies Babylon~ helps you understand this
and so much more.
<snip>
nwd
Nowhere in the Bible is Vaican City mentioned, M. You can not show
one
place that Vatican City is mentioned. Take your Concordance and look
up the city of Babylon
M,
It is not called Vatican City but it does show where it sits.
nwd:
Why in the world are you willing to take the word of whom ever about
this and not take what God has written for us, is beyond me. God
speaks about ~Babylon~. The Catholic Church is not Babylon, neither is
the Pope or the government of Vatican City.
Did you get this from ~The Two Babylons~ by Alexander Hislop, an
Anglican priest?!
^^^^^^^^^^^
nwd:
7 hills are ?peoples or nations. Look at Rev 17:1 and 15.
17 1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls
came and talked with me, saying to me, "Come, I will show you
the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters,
<snip>
M,
That is exactly where the papacy gets it people from as slaves and
as ?a dictator over.
Maybe some time we may discuss the second Beast of Rev 13.
but not now.
nwd
How many of the Vatican guards, in those crazy uniforms, have you
seen
or heard of, that are trying to blow up your cities and kill your
children?
M
Every officer of that Harot take the blasphemous name that denotes
they can take the place of the ?Lord Jesus Christ.
or THE VICAR OF CHRIST if you will.
nwd
Are you saying mainstream Christianity differs? Neither preach what
the early Church preached.
M
That nation owns all of the ?law inforcment organizations of all of
the nation's cities that I know of.
nwd
What nations?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<snip>
M,
What is more rich then the Vatican with all of it's treasures and
Political and religeous power it had ?before it received it's deadly
wound
in 1798 when that pope was arrested?
nwd
No one has made money off the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has
made money off the people!
<snip>
nwd
Rev.17:15 The the angels said to me, " The waters you saw, where the
prostitute sits, are ~peoples, multitudes, nations and languages~."
NOT DIRT HILLS, M.
M,
IS THAT WHAT REV 17;9 SAYS?
or is that what I said?
9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads
are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
(This is dirt hills my friend)
nwd
10And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the
other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short
space.
What do kings rule, M. It wouldn't do them much good to rule ~dirt
hills~ , now would it?
^^^^^^^^^
nwd
Seven heads/seven mountains are symbolic. It is not talking about
the
terrain around Vatican City in Rome.
M,
Are you sure?.
nwd
Yes
^^^^^^^^^^^
<snip>
nwd:
The ~one that is~ was the beast of John's day. The ~other has not
come~ will be empowered when satan is desposed from heaven. This
RIGHT
HERE ~rules out the Catholic Church.~
M,
Yes it was the Beast of Johns day and ?it was the one that had exiled
him on
the isl of patmos.
The other one was to come after that Roman empire was debunked and
another "ROME" came into existances but it was different.
as you may read in Daniel 7:7 ff.
nwd
The Apostle Paul visited the ~Church of God~ in Rome. If this church
was the root of Babylon, why doesn't Paul tell us?
^^^^^^^^^^^^
<snip
M
God has been building his physical City from the very day He came up
out of the grave.
See John 20
and Luke 24.
nwd
How so?
^^^^^^^^^^^^
M
I have been hit right in the Eye of understanding already.
nwd
I think u might be one of those that need to be hit over the head.....
with a 2 by 4!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
M
Believe that what you will but the Bible has words that far surpass
that fellow
Neville you so love to worship in place of The Creator Lord God, aka
The Living Work of God.
nwd:
I do not worship Neville, in fact, I personally don't know him. I have
no idea what his voice sounds like. I have seen a picture, but that
didn't tell me much. But I do know he is God's prophet. You know, M,
everybody wants to be a prophet, but Neville is the ~only~ one that is
bringing ~new~ from the storehouse. All the others, of today, well,
it's the same old song and dance number.
I will ask you something else. God is going to have a physical kingdom
on this earth. In the exact place He said it would be. Who surrounds
this land?
This is my 2nd reply to your post.....have no idea what happened to
the first one.
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| User: "Mistylien" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican City? |
03 Jul 2007 01:28:00 AM |
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"nwd" <nwd53@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1183393216.270258.134050@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 1, 4:07?am, "Mistylien" <yardhol...@charter.net>
nwd
The Bible tell us Babylon is the city of satan. Babylon that sets on
the Euphrates River.
^^^^^^^^^^
M
BCV ?please,
nwd
What does BCV mean?
M, BCV = Book Chapter and Verse.
But it does not restrict it to the Bible.
M
?if the Bible really ?says ?babylon is the City of satan.
and that it sits on the Euphrated River.
nwd
Isa 14:3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall
give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear,and from the hard
bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of
Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city
ceased
Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked and the scepter
of the rulers
Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke he
that ruled the nations in anger is persecuted and none hindereth.
www.zionministry.com Article ~Habakkuk Identifies Babylon~ page 17
Jeremiah speaks of Babylon in Jere.51:24. ~Satan and His Demon
rulers~ page 11-13
The article ~Habakkuk Identifies Babylon~ helps you understand this
and so much more.
<snip>
nwd
Nowhere in the Bible is Vaican City mentioned, M. You can not show
one
place that Vatican City is mentioned. Take your Concordance and look
up the city of Babylon
M,
All you need to do it read prophecys that are in the Bibles.
You need to look and try to understand what Babylon developed into
as it came up through history, of both The Bible and the historians
writings.
Babylong has never been defeated it only changed hands from one
nation to the next for the last 2,500 years.
M,
It is not called Vatican City but it does show where it sits.
nwd:
Why in the world are you willing to take the word of whom ever about
this and not take what God has written for us, is beyond me. God
speaks about ~Babylon~. The Catholic Church is not Babylon, neither is
the Pope or the government of Vatican City.
M,
The "whom ever" you speak of is the Bible itself if you are able to read
it and put the prophsies and events in the Time line of History.
Did you get this from ~The Two Babylons~ by Alexander Hislop, an
Anglican priest?!
M,
No Im sorry that is not where I have received my knowledge from,
It was the many, many years of study and research is where I came up
with the confirmations of what was sugested that the Bible was saying.
I do not trust much of what any human says now a days.
^^^^^^^^^^^
nwd:
7 hills are ?peoples or nations. Look at Rev 17:1 and 15.
M,
shows thusly.
Rev 17:9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads
are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
17 1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls
came and talked with me, saying to me, "Come, I will show you
the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters,
<snip>
M,
That is exactly where the papacy gets it people from as slaves and
as ?a dictator over.
Maybe some time we may discuss the second Beast of Rev 13.
but not now.
-----------
nwd
How many of the Vatican guards, in those crazy uniforms, have you
seen
or heard of, that are trying to blow up your cities and kill your
children?
M,
Oh you have need to see the Big picture and you will see Rome
is into a lot more then just religeous presentations. It is also
into World Politics behind the scenes as well.
Now at one time That Vatican had control of both religion and Politics
of the world. that is how it was able to be so Powerful as a world power
for the 1269 years before it received it Deadly Wound in 1798.
Why are so many RCC priest being exposed for the debautchery they are
doing in secret that is now being shouted from the house tops?
Does that mean that all Christian orgainizations should have officers
doing that kind of wickedness that is found in them just because they
Call themselves Christian?
The Propheise are telling us what that woman and beast were suppose
to be doing and it is that Harlot that shows us what she is allowing her
officers to be doing. Even it is being exposed by her own news organizations
that she owns today all over the world.
What does the passage in Rev 17:5 mean?
It means all denominations are the daughters of the Harlot if you
have a mind with wisdom you will see exactly what that means.
------------
M
Every officer of that Harot take the blasphemous name that denotes
they can take the place of the ?Lord Jesus Christ.
or THE VICAR OF CHRIST if you will.
nwd
Are you saying mainstream Christianity differs? Neither preach what
the early Church preached.
M,
Yes that is about what I am trying to get across to every one.
There is little true Chriatian in any Religeous organization in the whole
World today.
You will be ever so lucky if you will find the true Christian Churh.
I have made the search and I find it is about one tenth of one tenth of
the world population at any give time.
But all During the time of "THE GREAT TRIBULATION" not
you nor I nor any one could find in History where the real Christian
Church was hiding. God made a place for it it what is called the
desert or some place where there was not much God words being
spoken. That is why it was in a desert.
God Waters us with His Word. (not a desert place)
and He has been doing this from the end of the G T to today.
You have to go way back into the New Testament (witness) to
find the real Christian Church founded on the 12 Apostils
Peter was not any First Pope!
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M
That nation owns all of the ?law inforcment organizations of all of
the nation's cities that I know of.
---------
nwd
What nations?
Name a dozen or so of them and yep in the background you will find
the Vatican influence there some place or Roman influence at any rate.
God is in control of that harlot and beast to let them be doing that
what they do as to be a time when the Gentiles is Complete.
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<snip>
M,
What is more rich then the Vatican with all of it's treasures and
Political and religeous power it had ?before it received it's deadly
wound
in 1798 when that pope was arrested?
nwd
No one has made money off the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has
made money off the people!
M,
Now is that what a Christian Church is to be doing? Robbing it patrons
so the Church offices Get filthy rich?
That is not what the Christian Church in the Bible was doing now was it?
No they were into helping the poor not exploiting them.
------------
<snip>
nwd
Rev.17:15 The the angels said to me, " The waters you saw, where the
prostitute sits, are ~peoples, multitudes, nations and languages~."
NOT DIRT HILLS, M.
M,
Verse, one B.
I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great ***** that sitteth
upon many waters:
3So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw
a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy,
having seven heads and ten horns.
The woman is "THE APOSTATE CHURCH.
not the Christian Church that is in the Bosom of The Lord.
Now just what is that Harlot Riding on the waters or the Beast?
Or is it Both as one and the same?
M,
IS THAT WHAT REV 17;9 SAYS?
or is that what I said?
9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads
are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
(This is dirt hills my friend)
nwd
10And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the
other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short
space.
What do kings rule, M. It wouldn't do them much good to rule ~dirt
hills~ , now would it?
M,
All Worldly Kings rule dirt territory of some kind.
All Spiritual Kings Share what they have with each other of
what they receive From their Lord.
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^^^^^^^^^
nwd
Seven heads/seven mountains are symbolic. It is not talking about
the
terrain around Vatican City in Rome.
M,
Is that what a mind that has wisdom would say?
Or is this what the Bible says:
9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads
are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Yes this is Dirt Mountains so we know exactly what it is talking
about. God is not mocking us. He is telling it to us in easy to
understand language.
-----------
M,
Are you sure?.
nwd
Yes
M,
Go back up and read it all again and open your eye of understanding,
it is not in any kind of Code or tricky language it is pretty plain to
underastand as I see it.
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^^^^^^^^^^^
<snip>
nwd:
The ~one that is~ was the beast of John's day. The ~other has not
come~ will be empowered when satan is desposed from heaven. This
RIGHT
HERE ~rules out the Catholic Church.~
M,
Yes it was the Beast of Johns day and ?it was the one that had exiled
him on
the isl of patmos.
The other one was to come after that Roman empire was debunked and
another "ROME" came into existances but it was different.
as you may read in Daniel 7:7 ff.
nwd
The Apostle Paul visited the ~Church of God~ in Rome. If this church
was the root of Babylon, why doesn't Paul tell us?
M,
Now this is where you make a big mistake.
Paul visited the Church that he and the other apostles started.
It was not the Roman Catholic secular religious orgaizationd
that was first start built in Vatican city over 500 years later.
It was a small Group of Christian Believers that held meeting in
their homes.
There were on Christian temples to meet in in those days.
Romans 1:1-7
1Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle,
separated unto the gospel of God,
2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the
holy scriptures,)
3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was
made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according
to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for
obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be
saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father,
and the Lord Jesus Christ.
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<snip
M
God has been building his physical City from the very day He came up
out of the grave.
See John 20
and Luke 24.
nwd
How so?
M,
It is built of Believers one Saint at a time.
The Believers in Jesus Chrst are CAlled saints as you can see in
Romans 7 above.
Saints are not some one that some supper imposing person declairs
to be saints after they are dead and gone.
The Christian Saints are living Souls not dead Bones.
-------
^^^^^^^^^^^^
M
I have been hit right in the Eye of understanding already.
nwd
I think u might be one of those that need to be hit over the head.....
with a 2 by 4!
Now is that a terroristic threat or the
Rantings of some one that has not yet become a Chriatian Believer.
------------------
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
M
Believe that what you will but the Bible has words that far surpass
that fellow
Neville you so love to worship in place of The Creator Lord God, aka
The Living Work of God.
nwd:
I do not worship Neville, in fact, I personally don't know him. I have
no idea what his voice sounds like. I have seen a picture, but that
didn't tell me much. But I do know he is God's prophet. You know, M,
everybody wants to be a prophet, but Neville is the ~only~ one that is
bringing ~new~ from the storehouse. All the others, of today, well,
it's the same old song and dance number.
M,
How do you know that what you claim? did God almighty
send you that revelation or are you assuming that is what
a prophet is suppose to be like?
I do know what you are talking about as you say "it's the
same old song and dance number.
I hope I am not sounding like them either.
I only can share that what I understand from the Bible prophecy
and History of Both the World and the socalled churches.
---------
I will ask you something else. God is going to have a physical kingdom
on this earth. In the exact place He said it would be. Who surrounds
this land?
M,
I do know who is on the porch of that Grat City He is building.
but I will show you this.
Rev 21: 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that
they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through
the gates into the city.
15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and
murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
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This is my 2nd reply to your post.....have no idea what happened to
the first one.
M,
I think some one is editing the news groups and not letting some
go through as they should. Just a thought.
--------------
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| User: "nwd" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican City? |
03 Jul 2007 06:50:01 PM |
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<snip>
M
God has been building his physical City from the very day He came up
out of the grave.
See John 20
and Luke 24.
nwd
How so?
M,
It is built of Believers one Saint at a time.
The Believers in Jesus Chrst are CAlled saints as you can see in
Romans 7 above.
Saints are not some one that some supper imposing person declairs
to be saints after they are dead and gone.
The Christian Saints are living Souls not dead Bones.
nwd:
M, I was studying this afternoon and stumbled on this. It is so
awesome, I just couldn't wait to share with you.
Matt.21:43 Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken
away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
M, the church is NOT the kingdom of God. Why would God take away the
church? From a group of people that has been called into the light out
of darkness?!?!
This is talking about the Holy Land that is presided over by
Judah! ....and it's talking about TODAY!
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| User: "Mistylien" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican City? |
04 Jul 2007 02:39:14 AM |
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"nwd" <nwd53@aol.com> wrote in message
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M
God has been building his physical City from the very day He came up
out of the grave.
See John 20
and Luke 24.
nwd
How so?
M,
It is built of Believers one Saint at a time.
The Believers in Jesus Chrst are CAlled saints as you can see in
Romans 7 above.
Saints are not some one that some supper imposing person declairs
to be saints after they are dead and gone.
The Christian Saints are living Souls not dead Bones.
nwd:
M, I was studying this afternoon and stumbled on this. It is so
awesome, I just couldn't wait to share with you.
Thank you this is what I am here for. . .
Matt.21:43 Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken
away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
M, the church is NOT the kingdom of God. Why would God take away the
church? From a group of people that has been called into the light out
of darkness?!?!
This is talking about the Holy Land that is presided over by
Judah! ....and it's talking about TODAY!
It was also talking about that time of the first century when Jesus
was giving the new covenant. (27 AD to when ever but it was 34 AD
That Paul took the Gospel to the gentiles)
you only took one passage but if you read before it and after it
you may see - - - -- -
45When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus' parables,
they knew he was talking about them.
That place you have chosen was before Jesus crucifixion and it
was after the Crucifixion that he indeed did take the kingdom away from
them and gave it to the Gentiles.
However God also talks about the time of the Gentiles coming to an end as well
But In the New Christian Church there is neither Jew nor gentile ect, ect.
So I am not sure just how to address that mixture of thought.
M,
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Vatican City? |
03 Jul 2007 09:22:56 PM |
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:50:01 -0700, nwd <nwd53@aol.com> spoke
thusly:
<snip>
M
God has been building his physical City from the very day He came up
out of the grave.
See John 20
and Luke 24.
nwd
How so?
M,
It is built of Believers one Saint at a time.
The Believers in Jesus Chrst are CAlled saints as you can see in
Romans 7 above.
Saints are not some one that some supper imposing person declairs
to be saints after they are dead and gone.
The Christian Saints are living Souls not dead Bones.
nwd:
M, I was studying this afternoon and stumbled on this. It is so
awesome, I just couldn't wait to share with you.
Matt.21:43 Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken
away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
M, the church is NOT the kingdom of God. Why would God take away the
church? From a group of people that has been called into the light out
of darkness?!?!
This is talking about the Holy Land that is presided over by
Judah! ....and it's talking about TODAY!
No, it isn't. IMO, that's just vanity speaking.
Jesus said that to Jews. The Kingdom would
be taken away from them. And it was.
--
Pastor Dave
Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.
The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.
Doctrine is not Scripture.
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