"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message

Glen Wrote:
========================================================================
Some of us (Christians) believe in the original God of Genesis one,
that
being the Elohim (all the Gods {big "G" meaning good}united as one);
which
means that we can't declare all 'pagan gods' as demons, because some
may
well be part of The Elohim, unknown to us.

I responded:

You are forgetting, "Elohinu YHWH Ehaad" or "Our God YHWH (is) one."
(Devarim aka Deuteronomy 6:4) This is a direct reflection on the
commandment "You will have no other Gods before me". If you lift up a
pagan god, you have broken this commandment. Your comment can not be
understood as relating to the concept of "Deus Absconditus" (hidden or
unknown God). That is poor exegesis.

Even if one chants the name of one of the Hindu Gods how is that bad?
Because aren't the Gods also part and parcel of the God?

x-no-archive: yes
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:03:39 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
john w replied

Sounds to me like you were once involved in it (?)

Correct. I never allowed myself to be "initiated' and given a mantra,
but I chanted "Om" with the rest of them, and I chanted for hours at
home.

And I had MANY friends who were involved as well. (that is, "friends"
I made while dabbling in TM.)

When my pastor, Dr. Fickett, got around to preaching/teaching on the
dangers of TM, I stopped practicing it,

and I stopped going to
meetings.

I also saw some SCARY stuff at TM meetings that I won't go into,

but I
was satisfied that it was demonic from what I saw before I ever heard
anything negative.

The sermons/teaching only served to confirm my
suspicions and uneasiness.

"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:biosnv47pbuv8fqo8t3fnvrpttl6nhjacg@4ax.com...

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 00:05:08 GMT, "Back by popular demand"
<Nospam@Nono.Nothere> wrote:

" *Phar Lap*" <camelraces@AliceSprings.com> wrote in message
news:camelraces-0410031000370001@ppp158.dyn27.pacific.net.au...

In article <tLkfb.9807$ui6.8833@news01.roc.ny>, "Back by popular

demand"

<Nospam@Nono.Nothere> wrote:

" *Phar Lap*" <camelraces@AliceSprings.com> wrote in message
news:camelraces-0310031534180001@ppp89.dyn12.pacific.net.au...

In article <11spnvg0pfjlknna0qkmc3a4cf8395g60l@4ax.com>, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

In fact, TM IS a religion. The religion behind TM is Hinduism.

Those

who have revealed their mantras to the investigators have

determined

that the Hindu mantra is in fact the name of a Hindu deity.


John W

Again you are talking nonsense. The mantra is a group of sounds

words

that may or may not refer to a Deity

Phar with all due respect, the mantras used in TM are.

I was referring to the word mantra itself. My understanding is that

there

are thousands of mantras that are used and I have no doubt many

to

Gods. However to attack TM on the basis of chanting mantras is

idiotic in my opinion

You can express your opinion, and I can express mine. Part of the
reason I came to my belief in the evils of TM is that I personally met
and interviewed the former Hindu Swami/Guru
Rabindranath ("Robby") R. Maharaj, a Christian pastor now.

Robby wrote a book which I read, which many in our church read, "Death
of a Guru". He said that the mantra IS generally the name of one of
the countless Hindu deities. (there are certainly those who practice
"TM" without being formally inducted into the rite, and they may
choose whatever mono-syllable they like)

Robby also confirmed that chanting the name of the Hindu deity during
TM is considered a Hindu form of worship.

Like it or don't. The facts speak for themselves. If you don't like
it, take it up with the former Guru, Robby.

It seems to me that making an uneducated reply is not the wisest thing

do.

Like I say it is simply not for me - although I otherwise very much

enjoy

aspects of Indian Culture.

That is fine for you, but there are others, that take great offence at

not

being told wthat their Hindu deity mantra truly are.

Those who have come out of TM and later found out that they were
actually worshipping Hindu deities (those I have encountered) get VERY
upset by the deceptive nature of TM.

Interestingly, many years ago, when the Hindus tried to recruit
American converts, no one was interested. They eventually figured out
that if they disguised it as Yoga or TM, they'd get converts, and
today, Yoga has swept American. Even the world's two most influential
women, Oprah and Martha, are both OPENLY devotees of Yoga and TM.

I know Martha claims to be a Roman Catholic, which makes me wonder how
Roman Catholicism can be compatible with Hinduism. Oprah OPENLY
denies being a Christian, though her dad is a pastor.

Yoga and TM are POWERFUL anti-Christian influences.

For ALL the good she's done in the world, it's kind of negated when
she OPENLY confesses that she is NOT a Christian on her TV show. And I
didn't hear ABOUT that startling declaration; I was watching Oprah the
day she said it.

Tina Turner asked Oprah if she was a Christian. Oprah's answer was
INSTANT. "No! I find it too "restrictive.""

(meaning she wants to live in sin and she knows she can't if she's a
Christian. Oprah is another person who's given up her soul for sex.)

<snip>

Good point. And I am amazed that I overlooked it. The initiate is NOT
told that he is chanting the name of a Hindu deity.

That is TOTALLY correct. Those who tried and tried and tried and tried
to recruit me insisted that the mono-syllable meant "nothing". "It's
just a sound you utter to focus you."

Either they don't know, either (I seriously doubt that), or they're
lying to potential recruits.

jw

And TM

practitioners are also lied to when they aren't told they're being
initiated into Hinduism. They are also lied to when they are told each
TM initiate receives a "totally unique" word that "no one else has."
Untrue. There are MANY more TM practitioners than there are Hindu
deities' names.

Why all the dishonesty right from the start when TM is so POSITIVE?

I smell a "pile" in the woodpile.

John W

___________________________________________________________________________

___

Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Accounts Starting At $6.95 -

http://www.uncensored-news.com

<><><><><><><> The Worlds Uncensored News Source

<><><><><><><><>

x-no-archive: yes
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:03:39 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
john w replied

Sounds to me like you were once involved in it (?)

Correct. I never allowed myself to be "initiated' and given a mantra,
but I chanted "Om" with the rest of them, and I chanted for hours at
home.

And I had MANY friends who were involved as well. (that is, "friends"
I made while dabbling in TM.)

When my pastor, Dr. Fickett, got around to preaching/teaching on the
dangers of TM, I stopped practicing it, and I stopped going to
meetings.

I also saw some SCARY stuff at TM meetings that I won't go into, but I
was satisfied that it was demonic from what I saw before I ever heard
anything negative. The sermons/teaching only served to confirm my
suspicions and uneasiness.

"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:biosnv47pbuv8fqo8t3fnvrpttl6nhjacg@4ax.com...

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 00:05:08 GMT, "Back by popular demand"
<Nospam@Nono.Nothere> wrote:

" *Phar Lap*" <camelraces@AliceSprings.com> wrote in message
news:camelraces-0410031000370001@ppp158.dyn27.pacific.net.au...

In article <tLkfb.9807$ui6.8833@news01.roc.ny>, "Back by popular

demand"

<Nospam@Nono.Nothere> wrote:

" *Phar Lap*" <camelraces@AliceSprings.com> wrote in message
news:camelraces-0310031534180001@ppp89.dyn12.pacific.net.au...

In article <11spnvg0pfjlknna0qkmc3a4cf8395g60l@4ax.com>, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

In fact, TM IS a religion. The religion behind TM is Hinduism.

Those

who have revealed their mantras to the investigators have

determined

that the Hindu mantra is in fact the name of a Hindu deity.


John W

Again you are talking nonsense. The mantra is a group of sounds

words

that may or may not refer to a Deity

Phar with all due respect, the mantras used in TM are.

I was referring to the word mantra itself. My understanding is that

there

are thousands of mantras that are used and I have no doubt many

to

Gods. However to attack TM on the basis of chanting mantras is

idiotic in my opinion

You can express your opinion, and I can express mine. Part of the
reason I came to my belief in the evils of TM is that I personally met
and interviewed the former Hindu Swami/Guru
Rabindranath ("Robby") R. Maharaj, a Christian pastor now.

Robby wrote a book which I read, which many in our church read, "Death
of a Guru". He said that the mantra IS generally the name of one of
the countless Hindu deities. (there are certainly those who practice
"TM" without being formally inducted into the rite, and they may
choose whatever mono-syllable they like)

Robby also confirmed that chanting the name of the Hindu deity during
TM is considered a Hindu form of worship.

Like it or don't. The facts speak for themselves. If you don't like
it, take it up with the former Guru, Robby.

It seems to me that making an uneducated reply is not the wisest thing

do.

Like I say it is simply not for me - although I otherwise very much

enjoy

aspects of Indian Culture.

That is fine for you, but there are others, that take great offence at

not

being told wthat their Hindu deity mantra truly are.

Those who have come out of TM and later found out that they were
actually worshipping Hindu deities (those I have encountered) get VERY
upset by the deceptive nature of TM.

Interestingly, many years ago, when the Hindus tried to recruit
American converts, no one was interested. They eventually figured out
that if they disguised it as Yoga or TM, they'd get converts, and
today, Yoga has swept American. Even the world's two most influential
women, Oprah and Martha, are both OPENLY devotees of Yoga and TM.

I know Martha claims to be a Roman Catholic, which makes me wonder how
Roman Catholicism can be compatible with Hinduism. Oprah OPENLY
denies being a Christian, though her dad is a pastor.

Yoga and TM are POWERFUL anti-Christian influences.

For ALL the good she's done in the world, it's kind of negated when
she OPENLY confesses that she is NOT a Christian on her TV show. And I
didn't hear ABOUT that startling declaration; I was watching Oprah the
day she said it.

Tina Turner asked Oprah if she was a Christian. Oprah's answer was
INSTANT. "No! I find it too "restrictive.""

(meaning she wants to live in sin and she knows she can't if she's a
Christian. Oprah is another person who's given up her soul for sex.)

<snip>

Good point. And I am amazed that I overlooked it. The initiate is NOT
told that he is chanting the name of a Hindu deity.

That is TOTALLY correct. Those who tried and tried and tried and tried
to recruit me insisted that the mono-syllable meant "nothing". "It's
just a sound you utter to focus you."

Either they don't know, either (I seriously doubt that), or they're
lying to potential recruits.

jw

And TM

practitioners are also lied to when they aren't told they're being
initiated into Hinduism. They are also lied to when they are told each
TM initiate receives a "totally unique" word that "no one else has."
Untrue. There are MANY more TM practitioners than there are Hindu
deities' names.

Why all the dishonesty right from the start when TM is so POSITIVE?

I smell a "pile" in the woodpile.

John W

___________________________________________________________________________

___

Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Accounts Starting At $6.95 -

http://www.uncensored-news.com

<><><><><><><> The Worlds Uncensored News Source

<><><><><><><><>

x-no-archive: yes
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:03:39 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
john w replied

Sounds to me like you were once involved in it (?)

Correct. I never allowed myself to be "initiated' and given a mantra,
but I chanted "Om" with the rest of them, and I chanted for hours at
home.

And I had MANY friends who were involved as well. (that is, "friends"
I made while dabbling in TM.)

When my pastor, Dr. Fickett, got around to preaching/teaching on the
dangers of TM, I stopped practicing it, and I stopped going to
meetings.

I also saw some SCARY stuff at TM meetings that I won't go into, but I
was satisfied that it was demonic from what I saw before I ever heard
anything negative. The sermons/teaching only served to confirm my
suspicions and uneasiness.

"John W" <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:biosnv47pbuv8fqo8t3fnvrpttl6nhjacg@4ax.com...

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 00:05:08 GMT, "Back by popular demand"
<Nospam@Nono.Nothere> wrote:

" *Phar Lap*" <camelraces@AliceSprings.com> wrote in message
news:camelraces-0410031000370001@ppp158.dyn27.pacific.net.au...

In article <tLkfb.9807$ui6.8833@news01.roc.ny>, "Back by popular

demand"

<Nospam@Nono.Nothere> wrote:

" *Phar Lap*" <camelraces@AliceSprings.com> wrote in message
news:camelraces-0310031534180001@ppp89.dyn12.pacific.net.au...

In article <11spnvg0pfjlknna0qkmc3a4cf8395g60l@4ax.com>, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

In fact, TM IS a religion. The religion behind TM is Hinduism.

Those

who have revealed their mantras to the investigators have

determined

that the Hindu mantra is in fact the name of a Hindu deity.


John W

Again you are talking nonsense. The mantra is a group of sounds

words

that may or may not refer to a Deity

Phar with all due respect, the mantras used in TM are.

I was referring to the word mantra itself. My understanding is that

there

are thousands of mantras that are used and I have no doubt many

to

Gods. However to attack TM on the basis of chanting mantras is

idiotic in my opinion

You can express your opinion, and I can express mine. Part of the
reason I came to my belief in the evils of TM is that I personally met
and interviewed the former Hindu Swami/Guru
Rabindranath ("Robby") R. Maharaj, a Christian pastor now.

Robby wrote a book which I read, which many in our church read, "Death
of a Guru". He said that the mantra IS generally the name of one of
the countless Hindu deities. (there are certainly those who practice
"TM" without being formally inducted into the rite, and they may
choose whatever mono-syllable they like)

Robby also confirmed that chanting the name of the Hindu deity during
TM is considered a Hindu form of worship.

Like it or don't. The facts speak for themselves. If you don't like
it, take it up with the former Guru, Robby.

It seems to me that making an uneducated reply is not the wisest thing

do.

Like I say it is simply not for me - although I otherwise very much

enjoy

aspects of Indian Culture.

That is fine for you, but there are others, that take great offence at

not

being told wthat their Hindu deity mantra truly are.

Those who have come out of TM and later found out that they were
actually worshipping Hindu deities (those I have encountered) get VERY
upset by the deceptive nature of TM.

Interestingly, many years ago, when the Hindus tried to recruit
American converts, no one was interested. They eventually figured out
that if they disguised it as Yoga or TM, they'd get converts, and
today, Yoga has swept American. Even the world's two most influential
women, Oprah and Martha, are both OPENLY devotees of Yoga and TM.

I know Martha claims to be a Roman Catholic, which makes me wonder how
Roman Catholicism can be compatible with Hinduism. Oprah OPENLY
denies being a Christian, though her dad is a pastor.

Yoga and TM are POWERFUL anti-Christian influences.

For ALL the good she's done in the world, it's kind of negated when
she OPENLY confesses that she is NOT a Christian on her TV show. And I
didn't hear ABOUT that startling declaration; I was watching Oprah the
day she said it.

Tina Turner asked Oprah if she was a Christian. Oprah's answer was
INSTANT. "No! I find it too "restrictive.""

(meaning she wants to live in sin and she knows she can't if she's a
Christian. Oprah is another person who's given up her soul for sex.)

<snip>

Good point. And I am amazed that I overlooked it. The initiate is NOT
told that he is chanting the name of a Hindu deity.

That is TOTALLY correct. Those who tried and tried and tried and tried
to recruit me insisted that the mono-syllable meant "nothing". "It's
just a sound you utter to focus you."

Either they don't know, either (I seriously doubt that), or they're
lying to potential recruits.

jw

And TM

practitioners are also lied to when they aren't told they're being
initiated into Hinduism. They are also lied to when they are told each
TM initiate receives a "totally unique" word that "no one else has."
Untrue. There are MANY more TM practitioners than there are Hindu
deities' names.

Why all the dishonesty right from the start when TM is so POSITIVE?

I smell a "pile" in the woodpile.

John W

___________________________________________________________________________

___

Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Accounts Starting At $6.95 -

http://www.uncensored-news.com

<><><><><><><> The Worlds Uncensored News Source

<><><><><><><><>