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User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"
Date: 20 May 2005 08:54:19 PM
Object: Re: Warning about practicing transcendental meditation
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District Court DISTRICT OF NEW JERSEY, Civil Action No. 76-341, ALAN
B.
MALNAK, et als, Plaintiffs, v. MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI, et als,
Defendants
"While the characterization of proponents is properly admissible
evidence,
proponents cannot propagate concepts which society recognizes as
religious
in nature merely because the proponents view the concepts as secular."

Thus you can believe what you want about the mantras, just don't try
to
propagate them as not being calling cards of Hindu deities.

Actually what it says is that you may believe what *you* want about
TM, just
don't propagate (as you are doing on the amt newsgroup) TM as not
being a
religion.


No, that's not what it says. I explained what it says in another post.
It says nothing about what I can or cannot say about TM.


It talks about propagating my dear Judy.

Paid for by the public school system in New Jersey...
Sigh.

I was wondering if anyone would realize this. What surprised me was that the
State made some laws on religion, isn't that supposed to be a "no no" ???
.

User: "LawsonE"

Title: Re: Warning about practicing transcendental meditation 21 May 2005 02:52:16 AM
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<snip>


District Court DISTRICT OF NEW JERSEY, Civil Action No. 76-341, ALAN
B.
MALNAK, et als, Plaintiffs, v. MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI, et als,
Defendants
"While the characterization of proponents is properly admissible
evidence,
proponents cannot propagate concepts which society recognizes as
religious
in nature merely because the proponents view the concepts as
secular."

Thus you can believe what you want about the mantras, just don't try
to
propagate them as not being calling cards of Hindu deities.


Actually what it says is that you may believe what *you* want about
TM, just
don't propagate (as you are doing on the amt newsgroup) TM as not
being a
religion.


No, that's not what it says. I explained what it says in another
post.
It says nothing about what I can or cannot say about TM.


It talks about propagating my dear Judy.

Paid for by the public school system in New Jersey...
Sigh.


I was wondering if anyone would realize this. What surprised me was that
the State made some laws on religion, isn't that supposed to be a "no no"
???


The court ruled against the public funding of TM/SCI instruction in NJ
schools. The law that was "made" was that TM + SCI as taught in NJ was a
religion.
.
User: "LawsonE"

Title: Re: Warning about practicing transcendental meditation 21 May 2005 03:22:30 AM
"LawsonE" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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The court ruled against the public funding of TM/SCI instruction in NJ
schools. The law that was "made" was that TM + SCI as taught in NJ was a
religion.

Was "clearly religious" I think was the ruling...
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Warning about practicing transcendental meditation 21 May 2005 07:13:03 AM
LawsonE wrote:

"LawsonE" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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[...]


The court ruled against the public funding of TM/SCI instruction in

NJ

schools. The law that was "made" was that TM + SCI as taught in NJ

was a

religion.


Was "clearly religious" I think was the ruling...

*In the context of* how the U.S. government must regard
it when deciding whether funding it would or would not
be in accordance with the First Amendment to the Bill of
Rights.
And *only* in that context. The court did *not* rule
that TM or TM/SCI was religious in some universal sense,
for all time and all people everywhere. That would not
be within the court's jurisdiction.
Nor, as I was pointing out to the Peterrhoid, did the
ruling say anything about how the TMO can represent
TM/SCI. It says *only* how the U.S. government must
regard it when considering funding.
.


User: "Vaj."

Title: Re: Warning about practicing transcendental meditation 21 May 2005 11:11:09 AM
On 2005-05-21 03:52:16 -0400, "LawsonE" <nospam@nospam.com> said:

The court ruled against the public funding of TM/SCI instruction in NJ
schools. The law that was "made" was that TM + SCI as taught in NJ was
a religion.

This makes sense Lawson, esp. has the TMO has become more blatantly a
form a Neo-Hinduism/Neo-Vedism--most notably with Mahesh's emphasis on
karma-kanda.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Warning about practicing transcendental meditation 21 May 2005 01:37:43 PM
Vaj. wrote:

On 2005-05-21 03:52:16 -0400, "LawsonE" <nospam@nospam.com> said:

The court ruled against the public funding of TM/SCI instruction in

NJ

schools. The law that was "made" was that TM + SCI as taught in NJ

was

a religion.


This makes sense Lawson, esp. has the TMO has become more blatantly a
form a Neo-Hinduism/Neo-Vedism--most notably with Mahesh's emphasis

on

karma-kanda.

This comment makes no sense. The court ruling was
made back in the '70s and dealt only with TM the
technique, and SCI as the intellectual component,
which was all that was being taught to the students.
Even though TM/SCI are not inherently religious (you
can *make* a religion out of them if you want to), the
ruling made sense, IMO, because the courts should err
on the side of caution, given that they cannot take the
time to become familiar enough with any particular case
to make these kinds of decisions infallibly.
As a U.S. citizen, I'd rather have TM/SCI ruled a
religious teaching when it isn't, than have another
teaching that *was* inherently religious squeak
through and receive federal funding because the
courts were being lenient.
.



User: ""

Title: Re: Warning about practicing transcendental meditation 21 May 2005 01:40:44 PM
Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
<snip>

What surprised me was that the
State made some laws on religion, isn't that supposed to be a "no no"

???
The state ruled that the government could not fund
the teaching of TM because it had to be considered
a religious teaching. The no-no, if you accept that
TM is a religious teaching, would have been *to* fund
it. The court was applying the First Amendment
respecting the prohibition against the government
establishing a religion.
.

User: "Libertarius"

Title: Re: Warning about practicing transcendental meditation 20 May 2005 10:12:58 PM
There's an old joke about the guru who went to the dentist and refused
novocaine. Why was that? He wanted to transcend dental medication. -- L.
.
User: "LawsonE"

Title: Re: Warning about practicing transcendental meditation 21 May 2005 02:52:54 AM
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
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There's an old joke about the guru who went to the dentist and refused
novocaine. Why was that? He wanted to transcend dental medication. -- L.

Another interpretation is that they talk above your head and put the bite on
you...


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