Religions > Bible > Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell?
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Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell? |
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net>
Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell?
Hello,
If by "hell" you are referring to 'hellfire', the answer would be: It
would take a very cruel and sadistic god to do such things.
Even Hitler usually killed his victims before he burned their bodies.
Yet people profess the God of the Bible not only tortures living
people in a literal fire, but also never lets them die to end their
suffering! If they isn't sadistic cruelty, nothing is.
But real Christians know that the God of the Bible has not, is not,
and never will, use torture of fire or any other torture, to punish
his wicked children. The use of torture is for sadists, not a loving
God. (1 Jo 4:8)
Would a loving human father put a seriously disobedient child's hand
into a flaming fire as punishment? Neither would a person who is far
more loving than any human; Almighty God. (again see 1 Jo 4:8)
So where does Christendom get this sadistic teaching of 'hellfire'
anyway? It is misinterpretations of places in the Bible which refer to
humans being tossed into a fire. But if they carefully research such
verses, they will see that they are symbolic, not literal. (much more
on this is you want)
For instance, one example they use of this alleged literal 'hellfire'
place is Re 20:15,
"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into
the lake of fire." (KJV)
But back up one verse to see just how 'literal' this "lake of fire"
place is: Vs 14,
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the
second death." (KJV)
Notice the things tossed into that fiery place. One thing is "death".
Can death be picked up and thrown to another spot? Of course not.
"Death" is an abstract word representing a condition, and is not a
solid physical substance. Thus that "lake of fire" place is symbolic
of something, not literal. And looking again at vs 14, it even tells
us what that symbolic "lake of fire" place represents. It represents
the "second death". (more about what that is, if you want)
Thus anyone who uses the "lake of fire" as being a literal fire where
bad people are tossed into it to burn alive forever, have not done
their homework on what the Scriptures really mean.
Sincerely, James
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Ummm...What kind of police man puts a killer in jail?
A MIGHTY GOOD ONE!
Bible god told the Jews to kill innocent babies and to take virgin
girls as sex slaves! Not a mighty good one, if you ask me!
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05 Aug 2007 12:25:43 PM |
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girls as sex slaves! Not a mighty good one, if you ask me!
A selfish god. A god who has an ego larger than anyone. A god who
insists on human and blood sacrifices with sexual slavery. And the
Jews can have him! I stick with the Messiah who freed us from the
greed of Jehovah, the demiurge.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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05 Aug 2007 10:56:28 PM |
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On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:25:43 -0000, Burkeladies <rburke71@gmail.com>
wrote:
A selfish god. A god who has an ego larger than anyone. A god who
insists on human and blood sacrifices with sexual slavery. And the
Jews can have him! I stick with the Messiah who freed us from the
greed of Jehovah, the demiurge.
So you reject one made-up god to accept another made-up god?
It's true - addicts will never willingly give up addiction, even if
they switch from one addiction to another.
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| User: "Sanitys Little Helper" |
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25 Jul 2007 11:17:47 AM |
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James <bireda@peoplepc.com> wrote in
news:ospea39jnt31i001nbit0jvc0a16qfct2u@4ax.com to alt.atheism:
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Yes: Why don't you ***** and die?
--
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
"If you are informed by God, you can be misinformed by nobody" - Osama Bin
Laden
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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25 Jul 2007 11:18:38 PM |
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:17:47 +0200 (CEST), "Sanity's Little Helper"
<elvish@noshpam.org> wrote:
James <bireda@peoplepc.com> wrote in
news:ospea39jnt31i001nbit0jvc0a16qfct2u@4ax.com to alt.atheism:
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Yes: Why don't you ***** and die?
But we DO have Jehovah's Witlesses questions.
Like, "How can anyone be both smart enough to breathe and stupid
enough to fall for that Jehovah's Witlesses nonsense?"
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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26 Jul 2007 07:30:22 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in alt.atheism
Sanity's Little Helper <elvish@noshpam.org> wrote:
James <bireda@peoplepc.com> wrote in
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Yes: Why don't you ***** and die?
But we DO have Jehovah's Witlesses questions.
Like, "How can anyone be both smart enough to breathe and stupid
enough to fall for that Jehovah's Witlesses nonsense?"
Are Mormons dumber than JW's? They've both gotta be pretty low
in the Christian gene pool as far as smarts go, don't you think?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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26 Jul 2007 10:17:14 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:30:22 -0500, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Are Mormons dumber than JW's? They've both gotta be pretty low
in the Christian gene pool as far as smarts go, don't you think?
There's a difference in where in the slime at the bottom you are? I
thought it was all just slime.
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| User: "bible student" |
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11 Aug 2007 04:55:17 AM |
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On Jul 26, 2:18 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:17:47 +0200 (CEST), "Sanity's Little Helper"
<elv...@noshpam.org> wrote:
James <bir...@peoplepc.com> wrote in
news:ospea39jnt31i001nbit0jvc0a16qfct2u@4ax.comto alt.atheism:
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Yes: Why don't you ***** and die?
But we DO have Jehovah's Witlesses questions.
Like, "How can anyone be both smart enough to breathe and stupid
enough to fall for that Jehovah's Witlesses nonsense?"
You are lost and are scared of the truth. We have all been in that
situation before so dont worry. You are peed of. For any reason? Two
china men had an arguement. Which one was right? The one that didnt
raise his voice......Mat
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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11 Aug 2007 06:14:26 PM |
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On Aug 11, 5:55 am, bible student <cowboyup...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Two
china men had an arguement. Which one was right? The one that didnt
raise his voice.....
In the automotive liability business, whichever driver is doing the
yelling is the one who's not at fault.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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11 Aug 2007 06:10:41 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 02:55:17 -0700, bible student
<cowboyup679@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 26, 2:18 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:17:47 +0200 (CEST), "Sanity's Little Helper"
<elv...@noshpam.org> wrote:
James <bir...@peoplepc.com> wrote in
news:ospea39jnt31i001nbit0jvc0a16qfct2u@4ax.comto alt.atheism:
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Yes: Why don't you ***** and die?
But we DO have Jehovah's Witlesses questions.
Like, "How can anyone be both smart enough to breathe and stupid
enough to fall for that Jehovah's Witlesses nonsense?"
You are lost and are scared of the truth. We have all been in that
situation before so dont worry. You are peed of. For any reason? Two
china men had an arguement. Which one was right? The one that didnt
raise his voice......Mat
Do you have anything cogent to say? Or just more of the insanity you
sucked out of your Bible?
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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25 Jul 2007 01:42:05 PM |
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James <bireda@peoplepc.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net>
Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell?
Hello,
If by "hell" you are referring to 'hellfire', the answer would be: It
would take a very cruel and sadistic god to do such things.
Well then you worship a cruel and sadistic god, because the Bible
says that Jesus will be right there in the pit of hell with his holy
angels, watching people suffer for eternity...
Revelation 14:9-11
"A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone
worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead
or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which
has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be
tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and
of the Lamb."
Seems that your all-loving Jesus and his supposed holy angels will be
the ones dishing out the burning sulfur and flames on people, all the
while claiming to be "loving" god and angels.
That's the way scare tactics work in religions, to convert people,
though, so it's not surprising that you've fallen for the "Join Us or
burn in hell" mentality.
So where is hell, anyway? Can anyone see it?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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05 Aug 2007 07:32:33 AM |
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On Jul 25, 11:42 am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
James <bir...@peoplepc.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net>
Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell?
Hello,
If by "hell" you are referring to 'hellfire', the answer would be: It
would take a very cruel and sadistic god to do such things.
Well then you worship a cruel and sadistic god, because the Bible
says that Jesus will be right there in the pit of hell with his holy
angels, watching people suffer for eternity...
Revelation 14:9-11
"A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone
worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead
or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which
has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be
tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and
of the Lamb."
Seems that your all-loving Jesus and his supposed holy angels will be
the ones dishing out the burning sulfur and flames on people, all the
while claiming to be "loving" god and angels.
They are also just.
Sins are an offense against an infinite God, so they require
infinite punishment.
Michael
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| User: "ResLight" |
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05 Aug 2007 05:23:17 PM |
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"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Well then you worship a cruel and sadistic god, because the Bible
says that Jesus will be right there in the pit of hell with his holy
angels, watching people suffer for eternity...
Revelation 14:9-11
"A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone
worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead
or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which
has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be
tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and
of the Lamb."
Seems that your all-loving Jesus and his supposed holy angels will be
the ones dishing out the burning sulfur and flames on people, all the
while claiming to be "loving" god and angels.
They are also just.
There is nothing in the verses about hell; such an idea has to be added to,
and read into, what is being said. Additionally, the language being used is
highly symbolic, signified, given in signs. (Revelation 1:1) Most will at
once concede that if a literal worshipping of a beast and image were meant
in verse 9, then few, if any, in civilized lands are liable to the penalty
of verse 11. In other words, who would be deceived by a literal beast with
literal seven heads and literal ten horns coming out the literal sea?
(Revelation 13:1); and if the beast, his image, wine and cup are symbols, so
also would be the "torment:" {The word rendered "tormented" is in the Greek
a verbal form of the noun for touchstone), and smoke and fire and brimstone.
Revelation 14: 11 - and the smoke of their testing goeth up for ever and
ever; and they have no rest day and night, they that worship the beast and
his image, and whoso receiveth the mark of its name. -- Revised Version
(American Edition) Improved and Corrected from manuscripts discovered and
published to A.D. 1999 A.D. 2000
There is nothing here about hell (hades/sheol) or the condition of those in
hell. The fire and sulfur is symbolic of the wrath of God. Those who drink
of the wrath of God are not said in these scriptures to be in hell, but in
the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb. Of course,
since this is a symbolic book, and one needs to study spiritual revealment
with spiritual revealment (not by adding Grecian mythologies) in order to
see how these symbols apply.
The individuals spoken of here are not said to be cast into the lake of
fire, or into hades, but they are symoblically tried [basanizo* - literally
touchstoned, tested] and the smoke of their trial [basanismos*] ascends
forever and ever. Most people do not interpret the beast and his image as
being a literal beast with literal seven heads and literal ten horns and
crowns. (Revelation 13:1) Thus it is only the "torment" part which most wish
to focus on as literal in keeping with their teachings taken from Greek
mythology and blended into the scriptures.
We should note that the symbolic woman styled symbolically as Babylon the
Great (also symbolically called a city) will also be tormented [basanismos*,
tried, tested]. (Revelation 18:7,8) Those who look upon the smoke of her
torment [testing] are looking upon the refuse left by her destruction, for
she "shall be found no more at all. (Revelation 18:10,18,21) Yet her smoke
arises forever and ever after her destruction. (Revelation 19:3)
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*http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=928
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=929
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=931
The scriptures under consideration are prophetic -- obviously a use of
signs: symbols. The symbolic smoke ascends forever and ever. Certainly the
beast with seven heads and ten horns is symbolic, as well as its image. We
know that the "lamb" is symbolic of Jesus. Likewise the "mark" is symbolic.
Additionally, the phrase "day and night" is symbolic of the fact that those
who worship the symbolic beast and symbolic image of the beast will be
symbolically tested without letup during the time of testing being spoken
of. -- See Revelation 4:8.
A side thought: if this is speaking literally of literal smoke in a literal
place of fire supposedly to torture these while they are dead but still
concious while dead, and of literal days and nights, then one would have
assume that this place of consciousness while dead would have literal days
and nights.
If this were speaking of a literal beast with literal seven heads and
literal ten horns coming out of the literal sea, very few would be deceived
into worshiping such. In other words, who would be deceived by a literal
beast with seven heads and ten horns coming out the literal sea? (Revelation
13:1) If the lamb, the beast, his image, wine, cup, etc., are symbols, so
also would be the smoke, fire, sulfur, brimstone, day and night, etc.
Without getting into details about what is symbolized by the beast, the
image, etc., one should be able to see that this is not speaking of anyone
suffering for eternity while dead.
Sins are an offense against an infinite God, so they require
infinite punishment.
The scriptures no where speak of "infinite punishment", whatever this is
supposed to mean. Taken as meaning unbounded, of course, if one is put out
of existence, such a punishment is infinite, unbounded by any future time,
in that it will never be revoked. All who are dying in Adam are covered by
the ransom sacrifice of Jesus. Those who die the second death, however, do
not have any more sacrifice that can be given for them. They are gone for
all the eternal future.
In service of Jesus and his God,
Ronald
http://hereafter.reslight.net
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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05 Aug 2007 10:59:18 PM |
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On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 18:23:17 -0400, "ResLight"
<rday888@reject.comcast.net> wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186317153.698314.218140@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Well then you worship a cruel and sadistic god, because the Bible
says that Jesus will be right there in the pit of hell with his holy
angels, watching people suffer for eternity...
Revelation 14:9-11
"A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone
worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead
or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which
has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be
tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and
of the Lamb."
Seems that your all-loving Jesus and his supposed holy angels will be
the ones dishing out the burning sulfur and flames on people, all the
while claiming to be "loving" god and angels.
They are also just.
There is nothing in the verses about hell; such an idea has to be added to,
and read into, what is being said. Additionally, the language being used is
highly symbolic, signified, given in signs. (Revelation 1:1) Most will at
once concede that if a literal worshipping of a beast and image were meant
in verse 9, then few, if any, in civilized lands are liable to the penalty
of verse 11. In other words, who would be deceived by a literal beast with
literal seven heads and literal ten horns coming out the literal sea?
(Revelation 13:1); and if the beast, his image, wine and cup are symbols, so
also would be the "torment:" {The word rendered "tormented" is in the Greek
a verbal form of the noun for touchstone), and smoke and fire and brimstone.
It looks like an Amish Rake Fight to me.
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08 Aug 2007 08:13:30 PM |
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Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell?
Hello,
If by "hell" you are referring to 'hellfire', the answer would be: It
would take a very cruel and sadistic god to do such things.
Those who are cast into hell are those who CHOSE to follow and serve the
devil, through sins, evil and wickedness, and thus will be cast into his
kingdom with him, which is hell. They CHOSE to ignore, disobey and rebel
against God, even though all mankind has been given due warning of the
consequences of sin, unrighteousness and wickedness and yet they CHOSE evil
anyway. Do you think choosing evil and sinning against God, that you would
DESERVE to be WITH Him in heaven?
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186317153.698314.218140@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 25, 11:42 am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
James <bir...@peoplepc.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net>
Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell?
Hello,
If by "hell" you are referring to 'hellfire', the answer would be: It
would take a very cruel and sadistic god to do such things.
Well then you worship a cruel and sadistic god, because the Bible
says that Jesus will be right there in the pit of hell with his holy
angels, watching people suffer for eternity...
Revelation 14:9-11
"A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone
worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead
or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which
has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be
tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and
of the Lamb."
Seems that your all-loving Jesus and his supposed holy angels will be
the ones dishing out the burning sulfur and flames on people, all the
while claiming to be "loving" god and angels.
They are also just.
Sins are an offense against an infinite God, so they require
infinite punishment.
Michael
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08 Aug 2007 11:39:20 PM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:_Stui.7087$fk4.3422@trndny05...
Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell?
Hello,
If by "hell" you are referring to 'hellfire', the answer would be: It
would take a very cruel and sadistic god to do such things.
Those who are cast into hell are those who CHOSE to follow and serve the
devil, through sins, evil and wickedness, and thus will be cast into his
kingdom with him, which is hell. They CHOSE to ignore, disobey and rebel
against God, even though all mankind has been given due warning of the
consequences of sin, unrighteousness and wickedness and yet they CHOSE
evil anyway. Do you think choosing evil and sinning against God, that you
would DESERVE to be WITH Him in heaven?
hell doesnt exist, jesus is a myth and we evolved. Or you can keep living in
your fantisy life of make believe devils and sviour myths.
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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09 Aug 2007 11:18:41 PM |
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On Aug 8, 9:39 pm, "seon ferguson" <s...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
"Dore" <dorewilliam...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:_Stui.7087$fk4.3422@trndny05...>>> >>Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell?
Hello,
If by "hell" you are referring to 'hellfire', the answer would be: It
would take a very cruel and sadistic god to do such things.
Those who are cast into hell are those who CHOSE to follow and serve the
devil, through sins, evil and wickedness, and thus will be cast into his
kingdom with him, which is hell. They CHOSE to ignore, disobey and rebel
against God, even though all mankind has been given due warning of the
consequences of sin, unrighteousness and wickedness and yet they CHOSE
evil anyway. Do you think choosing evil and sinning against God, that you
would DESERVE to be WITH Him in heaven?
hell doesnt exist, jesus is a myth and we evolved. Or you can keep living in
your fantisy life of make believe devils and sviour myths.
Billions of people believe in Jesus.
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
How do you know George Washington or Julius Caesar existed?
Michael
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| User: "seon ferguson" |
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12 Aug 2007 05:54:05 AM |
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"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186719521.327520.197620@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 8, 9:39 pm, "seon ferguson" <s...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
"Dore" <dorewilliam...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:_Stui.7087$fk4.3422@trndny05...>>> >>Michael Ejercito
<mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell?
Hello,
If by "hell" you are referring to 'hellfire', the answer would be:
It
would take a very cruel and sadistic god to do such things.
Those who are cast into hell are those who CHOSE to follow and serve
the
devil, through sins, evil and wickedness, and thus will be cast into
his
kingdom with him, which is hell. They CHOSE to ignore, disobey and
rebel
against God, even though all mankind has been given due warning of the
consequences of sin, unrighteousness and wickedness and yet they CHOSE
evil anyway. Do you think choosing evil and sinning against God, that
you
would DESERVE to be WITH Him in heaven?
hell doesnt exist, jesus is a myth and we evolved. Or you can keep living
in
your fantisy life of make believe devils and sviour myths.
Billions of people believe in Jesus.
Billions of people used to think the Earth was flat.
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
How do you know George Washington or Julius Caesar existed?
Because we have letters written by both people in question. We also have
letters written by the Roman Senators at the time Caesar existed.
But the only thing to be written about Jesus is 60 years after his alleged
crucifixion.
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| User: "IBen Getiner" |
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12 Aug 2007 01:31:39 PM |
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On Aug 12, 6:54?am, "seon ferguson" <s...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 8, 9:39 pm, "seon ferguson" <s...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
"Dore" <dorewilliam...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:_Stui.7087$fk4.3422@trndny05...>>> >>Michael Ejercito
<mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell?
Hello,
If by "hell" you are referring to 'hellfire', the answer would be:
It
would take a very cruel and sadistic god to do such things.
Those who are cast into hell are those who CHOSE to follow and serve
the
devil, through sins, evil and wickedness, and thus will be cast into
his
kingdom with him, which is hell. They CHOSE to ignore, disobey and
rebel
against God, even though all mankind has been given due warning of the
consequences of sin, unrighteousness and wickedness and yet they CHOSE
evil anyway. Do you think choosing evil and sinning against God, that
you
would DESERVE to be WITH Him in heaven?
hell doesnt exist, jesus is a myth and we evolved. Or you can keep living
in
your fantisy life of make believe devils and sviour myths.
Billions of people believe in Jesus.
Billions of people used to think the Earth was flat.
Then you must prove that there is no Jesus.
IBen Getiner
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| User: "seon ferguson" |
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| Title: Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell? |
13 Aug 2007 03:47:34 AM |
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"IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 12, 6:54?am, "seon ferguson" <s...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186719521.327520.197620@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 8, 9:39 pm, "seon ferguson" <s...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
"Dore" <dorewilliam...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:_Stui.7087$fk4.3422@trndny05...>>> >>Michael Ejercito
<mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell?
Hello,
If by "hell" you are referring to 'hellfire', the answer would
be:
It
would take a very cruel and sadistic god to do such things.
Those who are cast into hell are those who CHOSE to follow and serve
the
devil, through sins, evil and wickedness, and thus will be cast into
his
kingdom with him, which is hell. They CHOSE to ignore, disobey and
rebel
against God, even though all mankind has been given due warning of
the
consequences of sin, unrighteousness and wickedness and yet they
CHOSE
evil anyway. Do you think choosing evil and sinning against God,
that
you
would DESERVE to be WITH Him in heaven?
hell doesnt exist, jesus is a myth and we evolved. Or you can keep
living
in
your fantisy life of make believe devils and sviour myths.
Billions of people believe in Jesus.
Billions of people used to think the Earth was flat.
Then you must prove that there is no Jesus.
I will when you prove there is no easter bunny or Santa Clause.
Believing in something because you cant prove he doesnt exist is a ilogical
reason. Otherwise whats stopping you from believing in Allah or Zeus? or
that Star Wars is real? you never know there could really be a death star
out there. Can you prove there isnt one?
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| User: "Andres64" |
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10 Aug 2007 09:12:40 PM |
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On Aug 10, 12:18 am, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 8, 9:39 pm, "seon ferguson" <s...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
"Dore" <dorewilliam...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:_Stui.7087$fk4.3422@trndny05...>>> >>Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell?
Hello,
If by "hell" you are referring to 'hellfire', the answer would be: It
would take a very cruel and sadistic god to do such things.
Those who are cast into hell are those who CHOSE to follow and serve the
devil, through sins, evil and wickedness, and thus will be cast into his
kingdom with him, which is hell. They CHOSE to ignore, disobey and rebel
against God, even though all mankind has been given due warning of the
consequences of sin, unrighteousness and wickedness and yet they CHOSE
evil anyway. Do you think choosing evil and sinning against God, that you
would DESERVE to be WITH Him in heaven?
hell doesnt exist, jesus is a myth and we evolved. Or you can keep living in
your fantisy life of make believe devils and sviour myths.
Billions of people believe in Jesus.
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
How do you know George Washington or Julius Caesar existed?
Because, you moron, unlike your Jesus character, there are numerous
contemporary sources that attest to their existence.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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11 Aug 2007 06:22:39 PM |
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On Aug 10, 12:18 am, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 8, 9:39 pm, "seon ferguson" <s...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
"Dore" <dorewilliam...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:_Stui.7087$fk4.3422@trndny05...>>> >>Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell?
Hello,
If by "hell" you are referring to 'hellfire', the answer would be: It
would take a very cruel and sadistic god to do such things.
Those who are cast into hell are those who CHOSE to follow and serve the
devil, through sins, evil and wickedness, and thus will be cast into his
kingdom with him, which is hell. They CHOSE to ignore, disobey and rebel
against God, even though all mankind has been given due warning of the
consequences of sin, unrighteousness and wickedness and yet they CHOSE
evil anyway. Do you think choosing evil and sinning against God, that you
would DESERVE to be WITH Him in heaven?
hell doesnt exist, jesus is a myth and we evolved. Or you can keep living in
your fantisy life of make believe devils and sviour myths.
Billions of people believe in Jesus.
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
How do you know George Washington or Julius Caesar existed?
We have Washington's teeth, plus they named a salad dressing after
Caesar.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell? |
10 Aug 2007 12:39:48 AM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:_Stui.7087$fk4.3422@trndny05...
Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell?
Hello,
If by "hell" you are referring to 'hellfire', the answer would be: It
would take a very cruel and sadistic god to do such things.
Those who are cast into hell are those who CHOSE to follow and serve the
devil, through sins, evil and wickedness, and thus will be cast into his
kingdom with him, which is hell. They CHOSE to ignore, disobey and rebel
against God, even though all mankind has been given due warning of the
consequences of sin, unrighteousness and wickedness and yet they CHOSE
evil anyway. Do you think choosing evil and sinning against God, that you
would DESERVE to be WITH Him in heaven?
So, someone left the door open and the Dore sicko
slipped in. Her response shows the absolute necessity
for unniversal healthcare. If this really is her, she is
just as wifty as ever.
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186317153.698314.218140@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 25, 11:42 am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
James <bir...@peoplepc.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net>
Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell?
Hello,
If by "hell" you are referring to 'hellfire', the answer would be: It
would take a very cruel and sadistic god to do such things.
Well then you worship a cruel and sadistic god, because the Bible
says that Jesus will be right there in the pit of hell with his holy
angels, watching people suffer for eternity...
Revelation 14:9-11
"A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone
worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead
or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which
has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be
tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and
of the Lamb."
Seems that your all-loving Jesus and his supposed holy angels will be
the ones dishing out the burning sulfur and flames on people, all the
while claiming to be "loving" god and angels.
They are also just.
Sins are an offense against an infinite God, so they require
infinite punishment.
Michael
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell? |
10 Aug 2007 10:35:34 AM |
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On Aug 9, 10:39 pm, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Dore" <dorewilliam...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:_Stui.7087$fk4.3422@trndny05...
Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell?
Hello,
If by "hell" you are referring to 'hellfire', the answer would be: It
would take a very cruel and sadistic god to do such things.
Those who are cast into hell are those who CHOSE to follow and serve the
devil, through sins, evil and wickedness, and thus will be cast into his
kingdom with him, which is hell. They CHOSE to ignore, disobey and rebel
against God, even though all mankind has been given due warning of the
consequences of sin, unrighteousness and wickedness and yet they CHOSE
evil anyway. Do you think choosing evil and sinning against God, that you
would DESERVE to be WITH Him in heaven?
So, someone left the door open and the Dore sicko
slipped in. Her response shows the absolute necessity
for unniversal healthcare. If this really is her, she is
just as wifty as ever.
How is what Dore wrote different from writing that criminals choose
to commit crimes and thus are cast into prison?
Michael
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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19 Aug 2007 10:06:15 PM |
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On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:13:30 GMT, "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote:
Those who are cast into hell are those who CHOSE to follow and serve the
devil, through sins, evil and wickedness, and thus will be cast into his
kingdom with him, which is hell. They CHOSE to ignore, disobey and rebel
against God, even though all mankind has been given due warning of the
consequences of sin, unrighteousness and wickedness and yet they CHOSE evil
anyway. Do you think choosing evil and sinning against God, that you would
DESERVE to be WITH Him in heaven?
No human is so evil that they deserve to be stuck with God for eternity.
Barry
=====
Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
I do not represent atheists or atheism
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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05 Aug 2007 12:09:45 PM |
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Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
James <bir...@peoplepc.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net>
Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell?
Hello,
If by "hell" you are referring to 'hellfire', the answer would be: It
would take a very cruel and sadistic god to do such things.
Well then you worship a cruel and sadistic god, because the Bible
says that Jesus will be right there in the pit of hell with his holy
angels, watching people suffer for eternity...
Revelation 14:9-11
"A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone
worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead
or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which
has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be
tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and
of the Lamb."
Seems that your all-loving Jesus and his supposed holy angels will be
the ones dishing out the burning sulfur and flames on people, all the
while claiming to be "loving" god and angels.
They are also just.
Sins are an offense against an infinite God, so they require
infinite punishment.
There's no such thing as "sin" since it's just an invention of
religion which has no basis in reality.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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05 Aug 2007 10:51:25 PM |
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On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 05:32:33 -0700, Michael Ejercito
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Sins are an offense against an infinite God, so they require
infinite punishment.
With logic like that you could turn a dollar into a million just by
saying it is.
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| User: "les_on_usenet" |
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| Title: TQOM nomination was Re: What Kind of God Would Cast His Creatures Into Hell? |
05 Aug 2007 09:39:01 AM |
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On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 05:32:33 -0700, Michael Ejercito
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Any one think this is worthy of nomination as TQOM?
(sorry, never can remember correct protocol)
Sins are an offense against an infinite God, so they require
infinite punishment.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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05 Aug 2007 10:54:57 PM |
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On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 15:39:01 +0100, les_on_usenet
<delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 05:32:33 -0700, Michael Ejercito
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Any one think this is worthy of nomination as TQOM?
(sorry, never can remember correct protocol)
Sins are an offense against an infinite God, so they require
infinite punishment.
A nominated post should mean something, shouldn't it? I mean, at
least as far as being a sentence? Ejecto's posts are seldom that
coherent. (The "so" doesn't belong anywhere in that sentence.)
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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25 Jul 2007 11:28:14 PM |
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:42:05 -0500, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
So where is hell, anyway? Can anyone see it?
A lot of Norwegians.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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26 Jul 2007 07:33:40 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in alt.atheism
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
So where is hell, anyway? Can anyone see it?
A lot of Norwegians.
I've watched several documentaries in the past year about hell,
and nobody in the videos actually came right out and asked that
question. Where is it? Why can't we see it? If nobody can see it or
point to it, why in hell should anybody believe in it?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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