Religions > Bible > Re: When you call yourselves the Children of Ape, you are treated as animals and live in the Jungle. When you call yourselves the Children of God, you are treated as people and live in Society or His Kingdom.
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"James" |
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06 Dec 2006 10:49:16 AM |
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Re: When you call yourselves the Children of Ape, you are treated as animals and live in the Jungle. When you call yourselves the Children of God, you are treated as people and live in Society or His Kingdom. |
bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
Re: When you call yourselves the Children of Ape, you are treated as animals and live in the Jungle. When you call yourselves the Children of God, you are treated as people and live in Society or His Kingdom.
Prime Minister of the Kingdom of God wrote:
When you call yourselves the Children of Ape, you are treated as
animals and live in the Jungle. When you call yourselves the Children
of God, you are treated as people and live in Society or His Kingdom.
You can call yourself whatever you like,
the fact is you are descended from an early ape. like it or not.
Hello,
Liking it or not liking it does not determine the truth of it. But
logical reasoning along with evidence does.
For example, the fossil evidence supports the Bible's account of the
origin of life much more than the evolutionary theory. How so?
If all life forms evolved from lower forms, and there have been, and
are, thousands and thousands of different looking life forms from
microbes to whales etc, then the fossil record should be bursting at
the seams showing all the transitional life forms and their stages, as
they progressed from one form into another. BUT THEY ARE NOT THERE IN
THE FOSSIL RECORD! No amount of wishful thinking will place them
there. They just are not there. (There are some professed ones, but
they are not nearly enough to cover all the life forms that had, or do
exist.)
Now if a "theory" fails to find the strongest evidence to support it,
doesn't it sound reasonable to have doubts about the theory's
credibility?
Even the 'father' of evolution had problems with the fossil record,
but he figured in time that evidence would be discovered. It hasn't.
Charles Darwin said,
"The distinctness of specific forms and their not being blended
together by innumerable transitional links, is a very obvious
difficulty." (Origin of Species, 1902, Part 2, p. 54).
Thus, based on the real physical evidence that we have, the
evolutionary theory is just that, a "theory", with no STRONG evidence
to give it credence.
But the Bible in Genesis states that all living things were made each
according to its "kind". (Ge 1:24,25) Thus they were made full and
complete, right from the start. Horses were made as complete horses,
elephants as complete elephants, etc. There was no evolving that
turned it into another "kind".
So if the creation account is the way life occurred, then we should
NOT find transitional life forms in the strata, but rather whole and
complete organisms suddenly appearing. And that is what the real
evidence shows!
For example, even many decades ago, the fossil evidence told its own
story. Swedish botanist Heribert Nilsson after 40 years of his own
research said:
"It is not even possible to make a caricature of an evolution out of
palaeobiological facts. The fossil material is now so complete that .
.. . the lack of transitional series cannot be explained as due to the
scarcity of material. The deficiencies are real, they will never be
filled." (Synthetische Artbildung [The Synthetic Origin of Species],
1953, p. 1212.)
So the Bible needs to be examined in what it says, and compared with
the real true evidence that exists, not in the "theories" of why
scientists can't find all of those thousands of transitional life
forms that should be there. (at the least, they should have many, many
more than what they claim to have today)
If the Bible is truly from God, then it must be in harmony with true
science. And concerning the origins of life, the Bible's account is
more in harmony with the fossil evidence, than the theory of
evolution. Those are the facts. Liking them or not will not change
them.
Sincerely, James
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| User: "Icarus" |
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| Title: Re: When you call yourselves the Children of Ape, you are treated as animals and live in the Jungle. When you call yourselves the Children of God, you are treated as people and live in Society or His Kingdom. |
06 Dec 2006 12:01:33 PM |
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James wrote:
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If the Bible is truly from God, then it must be in harmony with true
science. And concerning the origins of life, the Bible's account is
more in harmony with the fossil evidence, than the theory of
evolution.
So are you arguing that roughly 3.8 billion years ago God created the first
primitive microbes, spent the next 3 billion year or so diddling about with
different types of them, then decided to start making multicellular
organisms, first marine and later terrestrial, then at some point decided to
start making flowering plants and reptiles and dinosaurs and then later on
mammals, and so on and so forth? What was he working up to? Why did he
have to spend 3 billion years figuring out how to make Big Things? Why did
he take 60 million years or so to come up with humans from the time when he
made the first mammal? Did he need the practice on all those other mammals
first, in order to get it right?
The trouble with religious beliefs is that you have the claims of what
happened but you don't have any explanation as to *why* it happened that
way. Why do we see species that are more and more different from today's
flora and fauna, the further down the strata we look? Why would a god
decide to do it that way? Biology, in contrast, not only shows us what
happened (constant change throughout the fossil record) but also *why* it
happened (because reproduction is an imperfect process and therefore
evolution is *inevitable*).
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: When you call yourselves the Children of Ape, you are treated as animals and live in the Jungle. When you call yourselves the Children of God, you are treated as people and live in Society or His Kingdom. |
06 Dec 2006 10:24:33 PM |
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 18:01:33 -0000, "Icarus" <icarus_uk@email.com>
wrote:
James wrote:
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If the Bible is truly from God, then it must be in harmony with true
science. And concerning the origins of life, the Bible's account is
more in harmony with the fossil evidence, than the theory of
evolution.
So are you arguing that roughly 3.8 billion years ago God created the first
primitive microbes, spent the next 3 billion year or so diddling about with
different types of them, then decided to start making multicellular
organisms, first marine and later terrestrial, then at some point decided to
start making flowering plants and reptiles and dinosaurs and then later on
mammals, and so on and so forth? What was he working up to? Why did he
have to spend 3 billion years figuring out how to make Big Things? Why did
he take 60 million years or so to come up with humans from the time when he
made the first mammal?
It took him a lot longer than 60 million years. The earliest known
mammals appeared in the mid Triassic, at about the same time as the
first dinosaurs. <G>
Did he need the practice on all those other mammals
first, in order to get it right?
The trouble with religious beliefs is that you have the claims of what
happened but you don't have any explanation as to *why* it happened that
way. Why do we see species that are more and more different from today's
flora and fauna, the further down the strata we look? Why would a god
decide to do it that way? Biology, in contrast, not only shows us what
happened (constant change throughout the fossil record) but also *why* it
happened (because reproduction is an imperfect process and therefore
evolution is *inevitable*).
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| User: "Icarus" |
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| Title: Re: When you call yourselves the Children of Ape, you are treated as animals and live in the Jungle. When you call yourselves the Children of God, you are treated as people and live in Society or His Kingdom. |
07 Dec 2006 02:50:09 AM |
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John Baker wrote:
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 18:01:33 -0000, "Icarus" <icarus_uk@email.com>
wrote:
James wrote:
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If the Bible is truly from God, then it must be in harmony with true
science. And concerning the origins of life, the Bible's account is
more in harmony with the fossil evidence, than the theory of
evolution.
So are you arguing that roughly 3.8 billion years ago God created
the first primitive microbes, spent the next 3 billion year or so
diddling about with different types of them, then decided to start
making multicellular organisms, first marine and later terrestrial,
then at some point decided to start making flowering plants and
reptiles and dinosaurs and then later on mammals, and so on and so
forth? What was he working up to? Why did he have to spend 3
billion years figuring out how to make Big Things? Why did he take
60 million years or so to come up with humans from the time when he
made the first mammal?
It took him a lot longer than 60 million years. The earliest known
mammals appeared in the mid Triassic, at about the same time as the
first dinosaurs. <G>
Thanks for the correction :-)
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| User: "Samuel W. Heywood" |
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| Title: Re: When you call yourselves the Children of Ape, you are treatedas animals and live in the Jungle. When you call yourselves the Childrenof God, you are treated as people and live in Society or His Kingdom. |
06 Dec 2006 12:11:53 PM |
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, James wrote:
If the Bible is truly from God, then it must be in harmony with true
science.
You would have no interest in studying the Bible if it were in harmony
with true science.
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: When you call yourselves the Children of Ape, you are treated as animals and live in the Jungle. When you call yourselves the Children of God, you are treated as people and live in Society or His Kingdom. |
06 Dec 2006 07:15:41 PM |
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"Samuel W. Heywood" <sheywood@MyRealBox.com> writes:
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, James wrote:
If the Bible is truly from God, then it must be in harmony with true
science.
You would have no interest in studying the Bible if it were in harmony with
true science.
Why would that bother you? You've shown no interest in studying anything that
doesn't agree with your perceptions of reality.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Peoria 4, Houston 1 (December 3)
NEXT GAME: Thursday, December 7 vs. Omaha, 7:05
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| User: "V" |
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| Title: Re: When you call yourselves the Children of Ape, you are treated as animals and live in the Jungle. When you call yourselves the Children of God, you are treated as people and live in Society or His Kingdom. |
06 Dec 2006 01:15:55 PM |
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Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, James wrote:
If the Bible is truly from God, then it must be in harmony with true
science.
You would have no interest in studying the Bible if it were in harmony
with true science.
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
Thanks you for your post Sam. But it is not a matter of liking apes or
God it is a matter of liking truth.
V
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| User: "JessHC" |
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| Title: Re: When you call yourselves the Children of Ape, you are treated as animals and live in the Jungle. When you call yourselves the Children of God, you are treated as people and live in Society or His Kingdom. |
06 Dec 2006 01:46:31 PM |
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V wrote:
Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, James wrote:
If the Bible is truly from God, then it must be in harmony with true
science.
You would have no interest in studying the Bible if it were in harmony
with true science.
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
Thanks you for your post Sam. But it is not a matter of liking apes or
God it is a matter of liking truth.
And the truth is, there is no objective, verifiable evidence for
deities.
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