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"Pastor Frank" |
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09 Mar 2005 09:52:57 PM |
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Re: Who created god / God ?? |
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
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In article <1110405977.832efb097a5acf33a02e9a7dc50ebf8e@teranews>,
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Thou" <multibiz7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1110399583.716087.306380@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Virgil wrote:
In article <1110367173.e961df68bcf2e4673cd97351968fd052@teranews>,
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
If I were to consider adopting any religion, it would have to be
Buddhism.
Nothing wrong with Buddhism. I started off with Buddhism and
it's a good
beginning. However not everyone can hack the discipline. Christ
offers hope
to those who can't, and most people can't.
I am agnostic, and have seen no evidence sufficient to convince me of
either the necessity or even the desirability of any change.
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would
that men should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
Christianity has no copyright on the golden rule, which appears in
other many religions and in none religious moral and ethical codes
as well. To imply that it is only Christian is hypocritical.
Exactly. Most people may recognize it as karma.
To say that the Golden Rule is invalid because other religions, and
even
atheists advocate the same values, is the most stupid remark I ever
heard.
Well, you did not hear it here.
Nest thing you will say is, that Ford can't advertise their cars, because
there are other, and just as good cars around.
What a dweeb!!!!!
No one either said or implied that the "golden rule" was an invalid
rule. What was said, and is true, is that it is not exclusive to
Christianity.
Perhaps if Pastor Frank would take the time to read what he is planning
to object to, his objections might be relevant.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, as you make the
assumption that Christ claims the Golden Rule as His own invention, which
makes it therefore "hypocritical" and invalid, instead of just a reiteration
and re-statement of an ancient rule in a positive form. Rabbi Hillel's older
Golden Rule was in the negative form: Don't inflict on others, what you
would not want to have inflicted on yourself.
Pastor Frank
"GOD" The Christian meaning of the word according to scripture:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: "GOD IS A SPIRIT, and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth."
Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth,
and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND
HAVE SEEN HIM."
Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us."
Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak
not of myself, but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes
in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me sees
Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
believes in me should not abide in darkness."
Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom of
God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Who created god / God ?? |
10 Mar 2005 10:39:35 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom%23virgil-297D6D.19474409032005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
In article <1110405977.832efb097a5acf33a02e9a7dc50ebf8e@teranews>,
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Thou" <multibiz7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1110399583.716087.306380@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Virgil wrote:
In article <1110367173.e961df68bcf2e4673cd97351968fd052@teranews>,
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
If I were to consider adopting any religion, it would have to be
Buddhism.
Nothing wrong with Buddhism. I started off with Buddhism and
it's a good
beginning. However not everyone can hack the discipline. Christ
offers hope
to those who can't, and most people can't.
I am agnostic, and have seen no evidence sufficient to convince me of
either the necessity or even the desirability of any change.
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would
that men should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
Christianity has no copyright on the golden rule, which appears in
other many religions and in none religious moral and ethical codes
as well. To imply that it is only Christian is hypocritical.
Exactly. Most people may recognize it as karma.
To say that the Golden Rule is invalid because other religions, and
even
atheists advocate the same values, is the most stupid remark I ever
heard.
Well, you did not hear it here.
Nest thing you will say is, that Ford can't advertise their cars, because
there are other, and just as good cars around.
What a dweeb!!!!!
No one either said or implied that the "golden rule" was an invalid
rule. What was said, and is true, is that it is not exclusive to
Christianity.
Perhaps if Pastor Frank would take the time to read what he is planning
to object to, his objections might be relevant.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, as you make the
assumption that Christ claims the Golden Rule as His own invention, which
makes it therefore "hypocritical" and invalid, instead of just a reiteration
and re-statement of an ancient rule in a positive form. Rabbi Hillel's older
Golden Rule was in the negative form: Don't inflict on others, what you
would not want to have inflicted on yourself.
Pastor Frank
===>Now, unlike that nasty Christian rule, THAT one makes sense! -- L.
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| User: "Paul Erickson" |
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| Title: Re: Who created god / God ?? |
11 Mar 2005 12:18:54 AM |
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:39:35 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom%23virgil-297D6D.19474409032005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
In article <1110405977.832efb097a5acf33a02e9a7dc50ebf8e@teranews>,
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Thou" <multibiz7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1110399583.716087.306380@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Virgil wrote:
In article <1110367173.e961df68bcf2e4673cd97351968fd052@teranews>,
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
If I were to consider adopting any religion, it would have to be
Buddhism.
Nothing wrong with Buddhism. I started off with Buddhism and
it's a good
beginning. However not everyone can hack the discipline. Christ
offers hope
to those who can't, and most people can't.
I am agnostic, and have seen no evidence sufficient to convince me of
either the necessity or even the desirability of any change.
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would
that men should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
Christianity has no copyright on the golden rule, which appears in
other many religions and in none religious moral and ethical codes
as well. To imply that it is only Christian is hypocritical.
Exactly. Most people may recognize it as karma.
To say that the Golden Rule is invalid because other religions, and
even
atheists advocate the same values, is the most stupid remark I ever
heard.
Well, you did not hear it here.
Nest thing you will say is, that Ford can't advertise their cars, because
there are other, and just as good cars around.
What a dweeb!!!!!
No one either said or implied that the "golden rule" was an invalid
rule. What was said, and is true, is that it is not exclusive to
Christianity.
Perhaps if Pastor Frank would take the time to read what he is planning
to object to, his objections might be relevant.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, as you make the
assumption that Christ claims the Golden Rule as His own invention, which
makes it therefore "hypocritical" and invalid, instead of just a reiteration
and re-statement of an ancient rule in a positive form. Rabbi Hillel's older
Golden Rule was in the negative form: Don't inflict on others, what you
would not want to have inflicted on yourself.
Pastor Frank
===>Now, unlike that nasty Christian rule, THAT one makes sense! -- L.
Yeah, it doesn't ask us to get all curious about other people's
business. Leave well enough freaking alone.
Slobbering Skeleton
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Who created god / God ?? |
11 Mar 2005 08:54:10 AM |
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"Paul Erickson" <paul.erickson@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:pvd231pjpnt26losu34gjofesvgacva38s@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:39:35 -0700, Libertarius
Pastor Frank wrote:
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, as you make the
assumption that Christ claims the Golden Rule as His own invention,
which
makes it therefore "hypocritical" and invalid, instead of just a
reiteration
and re-statement of an ancient rule in a positive form. Rabbi Hillel's
older
Golden Rule was in the negative form: Don't inflict on others, what you
would not want to have inflicted on yourself.
===>Now, unlike that nasty Christian rule, THAT one makes sense! -- L.
Yeah, it doesn't ask us to get all curious about other people's
business. Leave well enough freaking alone.
Yes. And that's why cynical Jews added to Rabbi Hillel's Golden Rule:
"And that's why you won't catch me ever doing anything good for anyone, for
I don't have to. Naeh nana naehna!!!'
Pastor Frank
The most important, yet most ignored commandments of Christ:
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: Who created god / God ?? |
11 Mar 2005 01:23:45 PM |
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In article <1110556154.e087285decb8e8872d06b8179222c345@teranews>,
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Paul Erickson" <paul.erickson@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:pvd231pjpnt26losu34gjofesvgacva38s@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:39:35 -0700, Libertarius
Pastor Frank wrote:
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, as you make the
assumption that Christ claims the Golden Rule as His own invention,
which
makes it therefore "hypocritical" and invalid, instead of just a
reiteration
and re-statement of an ancient rule in a positive form. Rabbi Hillel's
older
Golden Rule was in the negative form: Don't inflict on others, what you
would not want to have inflicted on yourself.
===>Now, unlike that nasty Christian rule, THAT one makes sense! -- L.
Yeah, it doesn't ask us to get all curious about other people's
business. Leave well enough freaking alone.
Yes. And that's why cynical Jews added to Rabbi Hillel's Golden Rule:
"And that's why you won't catch me ever doing anything good for anyone, for
I don't have to. Naeh nana naehna!!!'
Pastor Frank
That strikes me as being much more like immature Fundie Xtians than Jews.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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11 Mar 2005 04:02:50 PM |
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"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom%23virgil-F659F7.12234511032005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
In article <1110556154.e087285decb8e8872d06b8179222c345@teranews>,
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Paul Erickson" <paul.erickson@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:pvd231pjpnt26losu34gjofesvgacva38s@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:39:35 -0700, Libertarius
Pastor Frank wrote:
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, as you make the
assumption that Christ claims the Golden Rule as His own invention,
which
makes it therefore "hypocritical" and invalid, instead of just a
reiteration
and re-statement of an ancient rule in a positive form. Rabbi
Hillel's
older
Golden Rule was in the negative form: Don't inflict on others, what
you
would not want to have inflicted on yourself.
===>Now, unlike that nasty Christian rule, THAT one makes sense! -- L.
Yeah, it doesn't ask us to get all curious about other people's
business. Leave well enough freaking alone.
Yes. And that's why cynical Jews added to Rabbi Hillel's Golden Rule:
"And that's why you won't catch me ever doing anything good for anyone,
for
I don't have to. Naeh nana naehna!!!'
That strikes me as being much more like immature Fundie Xtians than Jews.
You apparently are not catching on to, nor address the flaw in Hillel
which Christ seeks to address. Btw "immature Fundy Xtians" believe in
Christ's Golden Rule, which demands they DO unto others what they like to
have done unto themselves. Only Satan's minions will call themselves
Christian but prefer: "Do unto others..... whatever you can get away with."
Pastor Frank
SATAN'S MINIONS -people who say they are Christians but do and/or
justify those doing the opposite from what Christ taught.
Jesus in John 8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of
your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode
not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
2Pt:3:3: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days
scoffers, walking after their own lusts.
2Tm:3:3: Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Mt:7:13: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad
is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in
thereat:
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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19 Mar 2005 12:15:20 AM |
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"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:to8m31hn443mpaa2p4ckgdvphrtajhvm0b@4ax.com...
Mmm. You *are* new, aintcha?
Stick around a while, and you will come to realise that what you perceive
as
insightful, is merely contrary.
You are not allowed to agree with Frank, for that implies that you also,
might
be almost perfect, and the only perfection that Frank can tolerate, is his
own.
Surrre, for a while, he will appear to welcome your support, but
eventually, he
will show his true colours, and denounce you as a false xtian, a follower
of
Satan, or even worse; Dare I say the "a" word? Yea, why not; An atheist.
Or as
Frank will write it "an Atheist".
But don't take my word for it. Google through this NG, and alt.atheism,
over the
last ten years of so, for the good pastor.
I know where you are coming from Puck, for I was raised by atheist
parents and was myself an atheist for most of my life. That is, till I
started reading the words of Christ explaining who and what His God really
was. (see Him below explaining the term to a frankly skeptical Philip). I
realized then, that I had been an atheist not in terms of Christ'
definition, but in terms of the Greek, Roman and Germanic gods. Not only
that, but I found that Christians fully supported my atheism, for they also
didn't believe in any of those gods.
Read the relevant passages and weep, for without our God there is no
life to be had. That's why atheists "wail" interminably in our pristine
Christian groups, for they find themselves alone in the "outer darkness",
gnashing their teeth in furious anger, frustration and fear of the judgment.
Pastor Frank
"GOD" The Christian meaning of the word according to scripture:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: "GOD IS A SPIRIT, and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth."
Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth,
and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND
HAVE SEEN HIM."
Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us."
Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak
not of myself, but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes
in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me sees
Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
believes in me should not abide in darkness."
Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom of
God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
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| User: "xeno" |
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19 Mar 2005 04:34:17 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Pastor Frank wrote:
... I started reading the words of Christ explaining who and what His
God really was. (see Him below explaining the term to a frankly
skeptical Philip). Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and
it sufficeth us." Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with
you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH
SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest
thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I
speak unto you I speak not of myself, but the Father that dwelleth in
me, he doeth the works."
It is written that a bum says he's a puppet & that when you see him you
see the puppetmaster. That does not suffice as an explanation at all.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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19 Mar 2005 11:45:04 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:to8m31hn443mpaa2p4ckgdvphrtajhvm0b@4ax.com...
Mmm. You *are* new, aintcha?
Stick around a while, and you will come to realise that what you perceive
as
insightful, is merely contrary.
You are not allowed to agree with Frank, for that implies that you also,
might
be almost perfect, and the only perfection that Frank can tolerate, is his
own.
Surrre, for a while, he will appear to welcome your support, but
eventually, he
will show his true colours, and denounce you as a false xtian, a follower
of
Satan, or even worse; Dare I say the "a" word? Yea, why not; An atheist.
Or as
Frank will write it "an Atheist".
But don't take my word for it. Google through this NG, and alt.atheism,
over the
last ten years of so, for the good pastor.
I know where you are coming from Puck, for I was raised by atheist
parents and was myself an atheist for most of my life. That is, till I
started reading the words of Christ explaining who and what His God really
was.
===>The lying fake "pastor" has never read a single
"word of Christ". Only words written by MEN. -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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11 Mar 2005 10:10:55 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom%23virgil-F659F7.12234511032005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
In article <1110556154.e087285decb8e8872d06b8179222c345@teranews>,
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Paul Erickson" <paul.erickson@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:pvd231pjpnt26losu34gjofesvgacva38s@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:39:35 -0700, Libertarius
Pastor Frank wrote:
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, as you make the
assumption that Christ claims the Golden Rule as His own invention,
which
makes it therefore "hypocritical" and invalid, instead of just a
reiteration
and re-statement of an ancient rule in a positive form. Rabbi
Hillel's
older
Golden Rule was in the negative form: Don't inflict on others, what
you
would not want to have inflicted on yourself.
===>Now, unlike that nasty Christian rule, THAT one makes sense! -- L.
Yeah, it doesn't ask us to get all curious about other people's
business. Leave well enough freaking alone.
Yes. And that's why cynical Jews added to Rabbi Hillel's Golden Rule:
"And that's why you won't catch me ever doing anything good for anyone,
for
I don't have to. Naeh nana naehna!!!'
That strikes me as being much more like immature Fundie Xtians than Jews.
You apparently are not catching on to, nor address the flaw in Hillel
which Christ seeks to address. Btw "immature Fundy Xtians" believe in
Christ's Golden Rule, which demands they DO unto others what they like to
have done unto themselves.
===>What your infantile comments cover up is, that
that has been the Christian justification for intervention, forcible conversion
and murder of non-believers and heretics.
And it is what YOU advocate! -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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11 Mar 2005 06:26:28 PM |
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Virgil wrote:
In article <1110556154.e087285decb8e8872d06b8179222c345@teranews>,
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Paul Erickson" <paul.erickson@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:pvd231pjpnt26losu34gjofesvgacva38s@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:39:35 -0700, Libertarius
Pastor Frank wrote:
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, as you make the
assumption that Christ claims the Golden Rule as His own invention,
which
makes it therefore "hypocritical" and invalid, instead of just a
reiteration
and re-statement of an ancient rule in a positive form. Rabbi Hillel's
older
Golden Rule was in the negative form: Don't inflict on others, what you
would not want to have inflicted on yourself.
===>Now, unlike that nasty Christian rule, THAT one makes sense! -- L.
Yeah, it doesn't ask us to get all curious about other people's
business. Leave well enough freaking alone.
Yes. And that's why cynical Jews added to Rabbi Hillel's Golden Rule:
"And that's why you won't catch me ever doing anything good for anyone, for
I don't have to. Naeh nana naehna!!!'
Pastor Frank
That strikes me as being much more like immature Fundie Xtians than Jews.
===>The fake "pastor" could not respond to my point, so, he comes up with
one of his typical, infantile anti-Jew outbursts.
In fact the POSITIVE "rule" would justify intervention any time one felt like it,
"Do onto others" is a blank check for meddling in people's lives, which is a
favorite Christian pastime.
"Don't do onto others" is a warning AGAINST interfering in people's lives
or doing them harm.
"Pastor" Fake does not understand that. Or if he does, he doesn't like
it, so he feels compelled to turn childish. -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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11 Mar 2005 10:22:43 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Paul Erickson" <paul.erickson@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:pvd231pjpnt26losu34gjofesvgacva38s@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:39:35 -0700, Libertarius
Pastor Frank wrote:
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, as you make the
assumption that Christ claims the Golden Rule as His own invention,
which
makes it therefore "hypocritical" and invalid, instead of just a
reiteration
and re-statement of an ancient rule in a positive form. Rabbi Hillel's
older
Golden Rule was in the negative form: Don't inflict on others, what you
would not want to have inflicted on yourself.
===>Now, unlike that nasty Christian rule, THAT one makes sense! -- L.
Yeah, it doesn't ask us to get all curious about other people's
business. Leave well enough freaking alone.
Yes. And that's why cynical Jews added to Rabbi Hillel's Golden Rule:
"And that's why you won't catch me ever doing anything good for anyone, for
I don't have to. Naeh nana naehna!!!'
Pastor Frank
===>There goes the Jew-hating, lying, neo-Marcionite fake "pastor",
chiming in with his typical infantile remarks. -- L.
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