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User:	"Gactimus"
Date:	09 Dec 2004 01:14:57 AM
Object:	Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?

(Ray Fischer) wrote in
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Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:

Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:

I report, you decide.

Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian myself who
strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd take the
secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.

Jesus was a liberal.

Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
.

User: "Attila"
Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?	17 Dec 2004 03:47:18 PM

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:21:01 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<hb16s0dhrgd4k7vniferc5tu2dk04mvjbs@4ax.com> wrote:

RainLover bolted into alt.world, wreathed in wicked, white hot flames, and
screamed...

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:30:36 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Even if it annoys the hell out of anyone who can hear you. That
should be an automatic death sentence.

Wow. Capital punishment for annoying someone. You are insane.

Oh? Many like you have killed a lot of people simply because they
did not accept the same god you can't prove even exists. Now _that _
is insane.

You advocated murder for expressing one's first ammendment rights. That is just
as insane. Why do you believe me a killer?

Hey Zag, cut him (her?) some slack! Maybe he's a Texan.

Advocacy for death is one of the few things I will *always* take seriously.
It's the verbal equivalent of whipping out a knife.

Why do you think the abortion issue is so contentious? It's because so-called
"pro-lifers" think so-called "pro-choicers" are advocating death, when in fact
the "pro-choicers" either don't realize it, or flatly don't believe it is
death.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Only a fool would say that a fetus does not die
in an abortion.
It simply does not matter.

Expect the "pro-lifers" to be a lot more obnoxious as a result. The
stakes are much higher for them.

When a pro-lifer says "death" the pro-choicer conveniently goes deaf.

Not at all. We simply do not dwell on the trivial.

When a pro-choicer says "it's forcing someone to suffer" the pro-lifer
conveniently goes deaf.

I keep saying that forcing someone to suffer (making them take responsibility)
for something they brought upon themselves is better than killing someone. When
I do, I can hear a pin drop. They all go deaf.

Why? No one is killed in an abortion.

When the matter is rape, my opinion swings right over to the mother, BTW. If
the mother has no responsibility in the matter, or is going to die, the whole
dynamic changes.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?	18 Dec 2004 04:52:09 AM

Zaghadka <president@whitehouse.gov> wrote:

RainLover bolted into alt.world, wreathed in wicked, white hot flames, and
screamed...

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:30:36 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Even if it annoys the hell out of anyone who can hear you. That
should be an automatic death sentence.

Wow. Capital punishment for annoying someone. You are insane.

Oh? Many like you have killed a lot of people simply because they
did not accept the same god you can't prove even exists. Now _that _
is insane.

You advocated murder for expressing one's first ammendment rights. That is just
as insane. Why do you believe me a killer?

Hey Zag, cut him (her?) some slack! Maybe he's a Texan.

Advocacy for death is one of the few things I will *always* take seriously.
It's the verbal equivalent of whipping out a knife.

And it's quite common from the religious.

Why do you think the abortion issue is so contentious? It's because so-called
"pro-lifers" think so-called "pro-choicers" are advocating death, when in fact
the "pro-choicers" either don't realize it, or flatly don't believe it is
death. Expect the "pro-lifers" to be a lot more obnoxious as a result. The
stakes are much higher for them.

That justifies murder and terrorism?
[...]

I keep saying that forcing someone to suffer (making them take responsibility)
for something they brought upon themselves is better than killing someone.

You brought your religion upon yourself. Why shouldn't we make you
suffer for it rather than allow you to kill people?
[..]

When the matter is rape, my opinion swings right over to the mother, BTW. If
the mother has no responsibility in the matter, or is going to die, the whole
dynamic changes.

You're just an anti-woman prude.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Cleopatra"
Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?	17 Dec 2004 02:12:43 PM

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Zaghadka wrote:

Advocacy for death is one of the few things I will *always* take

seriously.

It's the verbal equivalent of whipping out a knife.

Why do you think the abortion issue is so contentious? It's because

so-called

"pro-lifers" think so-called "pro-choicers" are advocating death,

when in fact

the "pro-choicers" either don't realize it, or flatly don't believe

it is

death. Expect the "pro-lifers" to be a lot more obnoxious as a

result. The

stakes are much higher for them.

Respectfully, sir, one really has to be very careful about
characterizing as "obnoxious" a deep moral outrage about killing
infants in their mothers' wombs, especially when those abortions are
purely elective and occur after six months. It's pretty damned clear
what's being done at this stage of a pregnancy, and under the
circumstances it's no more obnoxious for anyone to take fierce
exception to a woman's "choice" to terminate that life as it would be
to exhibit similar rage at her abuse of her toddler child. If there's a
distinction to be made here, it's merely one of degree in that each
inhabits a different stage of life.
Neither is it germane to the argument what somebody believes, any more
than it's particularly relevant if someone, say, believes animals do
not deserve our respect and can be tortured just for the hell of it. Do
we now value the lives of domestic pets and endangered species more
than we do nascent human life in the womb? I believe we do because
there is now ample evidence for this twisted type of thinking in the
culture. In any event, over a million aborted infants a year, and a
significant percentage of those being after six months, is mute
testimony to the sad fact that we now do to human babies what we
wouldn't dream of doing to whales or dolphins. How sad.
Further, it's a given that those doing the killing, or advocating same,
will always take a *relaxed" view of what they're doing, for it's this
very attitude which defines their character and some of positions they
take on these social issues. So, under the circumstances it's not at
all surprising that those who oppose this practice will react in horror
at what is taking place. Abolitionists were also off the deep end about
slavery, too.

Cleopatra
.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?	18 Dec 2004 04:52:53 AM

Cleopatra <Blue_States_Blow@linkedto.pointyhats.com> wrote:

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Zaghadka wrote:

Advocacy for death is one of the few things I will *always* take

seriously.

It's the verbal equivalent of whipping out a knife.

Why do you think the abortion issue is so contentious? It's because

so-called

"pro-lifers" think so-called "pro-choicers" are advocating death,

when in fact

the "pro-choicers" either don't realize it, or flatly don't believe

it is

death. Expect the "pro-lifers" to be a lot more obnoxious as a

result. The

stakes are much higher for them.

Respectfully, sir, one really has to be very careful about
characterizing as "obnoxious" a deep moral outrage about killing

That coming from the murderous lunatic who takes glee in the killing
of tens of thousands of innocent people.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Zaghadka"
Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?	17 Dec 2004 05:01:51 PM

Cleopatra bolted into alt.world, wreathed in wicked, white hot flames, and
screamed...

I think you've been misinformed. Elective abortion after the second trimester
is illegal in America. There are situations where the mother's life is at risk,
but this is hardly elective. I'll take the word of medical professionals over
the words of political radicals on the substance of the threat to the mother
any day. It's a shell game, and you've decided to play.
--
Zag
Guns cause crime
like flies cause garbage
...bumper sticker
.

User: "--sexkitten--"
Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?	17 Dec 2004 05:29:54 PM

Zaghadka wrote:

Cleopatra bolted into alt.world, wreathed in wicked, white hot flames, and
screamed...

I think you've been misinformed. Elective abortion after the second trimester
is illegal in America.

She hasn't been misinformed. She knows perfectly well. She's a troll
with a dozen different names and no common sense.
There are situations where the mother's life is at risk,

but this is hardly elective. I'll take the word of medical professionals over
the words of political radicals on the substance of the threat to the mother
any day. It's a shell game, and you've decided to play.

--
Zag

Guns cause crime
like flies cause garbage

...bumper sticker

User: "Cleopatra"
Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?	17 Dec 2004 07:09:08 PM

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Zaghadka wrote:

Cleopatra bolted into alt.world, wreathed in wicked, white hot

flames, and

screamed...

I think you've been misinformed. Elective abortion after the second

trimester

is illegal in America. There are situations where the mother's life

is at risk,

but this is hardly elective. I'll take the word of medical

professionals over

the words of political radicals on the substance of the threat to the

mother

any day. It's a shell game, and you've decided to play.

Medical professionals? Who? Where? What, you think these abortions are
taking place at John Hopkins, sir? Give me a freakin' break, will ya?
These abortions are taking place overwhelmingly at seedy, understaffed
and marginally-staffed abortion clinics in strip malls and any place
else they can rent space cheaply.
Furthermore, the doctors are as marginal as the patients they "serve,"
not a god-damned one of them likely telling the truth about how far
along they are, the doctor not caring in any case so long as the
"paperwork" passes muster.
This is what's being turned in by these abortion butchers, sham
paperwork, and where it's obvious they can't get around the third
trimester thing why some sham "medical reason" is dreamed up and signed
off on by the doctor. Mere emotional problems suffice here, yet another
joke. These are the kind of reliable statistics you're getting sir,
about as reliable as a casino reporting its take every day.
Cleopatra
.

User: "RainLover"
Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?	17 Dec 2004 08:14:17 PM

On 17 Dec 2004 17:09:08 -0800, "Cleopatra"
<Blue_States_Blow@linkedto.pointyhats.com> wrote:

I think you've been misinformed. Elective abortion after the second

trimester

is illegal in America. There are situations where the mother's life

is at risk,

but this is hardly elective. I'll take the word of medical

professionals over

the words of political radicals on the substance of the threat to the

mother

any day. It's a shell game, and you've decided to play.

What in the HELL are you ranting about??? First of all, there's NO
such thing as an abortion clinic. (IE: a clinic whose sole purpose is
to perform abortions.
I've been to four different planned parenthoods with my wife over the
last 12 years and NONE have been 'seedy'. She goes to planned
parenthood because they offer cheap birth control and take care of her
yearly exams, and not having health insurance, they're a lifesaver for
millions of women.
You're making up seedy mall abortionclinics in your head to make the
proceedure seem dirty and evil.... it's neither.

. These are the kind of reliable statistics you're getting sir,
about as reliable as a casino reporting its take every day.

You know (I'm sure you do) your FAKE politeness comes acrosss as the
nasty sarcasm you mean it to be, so Why do it?
james, Seattle
.

User: "David W. Barnes"
Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?	17 Dec 2004 09:10:05 PM

In article <6547s05crahqrhu0tkl5cj3c9mjgbmddm9@4ax.com>, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:

On 17 Dec 2004 17:09:08 -0800, "Cleopatra"
<Blue_States_Blow@linkedto.pointyhats.com> wrote:

I think you've been misinformed. Elective abortion after the second

trimester

is illegal in America. There are situations where the mother's life

is at risk,

but this is hardly elective. I'll take the word of medical

professionals over

the words of political radicals on the substance of the threat to the

mother

any day. It's a shell game, and you've decided to play.

What in the HELL are you ranting about??? First of all, there's NO
such thing as an abortion clinic. (IE: a clinic whose sole purpose is
to perform abortions.

I've been to four different planned parenthoods with my wife over the
last 12 years and NONE have been 'seedy'. She goes to planned
parenthood because they offer cheap birth control and take care of her
yearly exams, and not having health insurance, they're a lifesaver for
millions of women.

You're making up seedy mall abortionclinics in your head to make the
proceedure seem dirty and evil.... it's neither.

That is what it takes to think like they do. They also tell us our
military isn't killing innocent civilians in Iraq.

. These are the kind of reliable statistics you're getting sir,
about as reliable as a casino reporting its take every day.

You know (I'm sure you do) your FAKE politeness comes acrosss as the
nasty sarcasm you mean it to be, so Why do it?

Welcome to my world....

james, Seattle

User: "Attila"
Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?	17 Dec 2004 04:13:00 AM

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:30:36 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<6n25s0lmqulj5u1c68gjoct6cc6rj1qaqb@4ax.com> wrote:

Attila bolted into alt.world, wreathed in wicked, white hot flames, and
screamed...

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:27:03 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<e4a3s01599cnb85m0kqitp739s86hd4aan@4ax.com> wrote:

Attila bolted into alt.world, wreathed in wicked, white hot flames, and
screamed...

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:35:20 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<vsa2s01b3ammlmrmegbdgbpi8nii1os19r@4ax.com> wrote:

Attila bolted into alt.world, wreathed in wicked, white hot flames, and
screamed...

To decide is not to submit.

Semantics.

Not semantics. To submit completely is to give up your powers of discrimination
and your methods of resistence. As soon as you start to think, you are no
longer completely submissive.

Thinking and religion are mutually exclusive.

Thinking and faith are mutually exclusive. I agree with you. Faith is to
submit.

Problem is, many Christians seem to think this is a good thing to do in human
affairs. It is not. As a Christian, the only non-thinking submission you must
make is to God. The rest flows from that, but requires quite a bit of
deliberation.

Nope. I reject your premise. Until a god is proven to exist I reject
it as being imaginary and worthless. Along with anything and
everything some idiot tries to tie to it.

Thanks for the kind words.

Thus my belief in the duty of the faithful to discuss what they believe: to
discuss the Bible.

Even if it annoys the hell out of anyone who can hear you. That
should be an automatic death sentence.

Wow. Capital punishment for annoying someone. You are insane.

Oh? Many like you have killed a lot of people simply because they
did not accept the same god you can't prove even exists. Now _that _
is insane.

You advocated murder for expressing one's first ammendment rights. That is just
as insane. Why do you believe me a killer?

No, it would be legal and thus not murder. Call it justifiable
homicide.
.

User: "wbarwell"
Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?	16 Dec 2004 02:40:38 PM

Zaghadka wrote:

Not semantics. To submit completely is to give up your powers of
discrimination and your methods of resistence. As soon as you start to
think, you are no longer completely submissive.

Thinking and religion are mutually exclusive.

Thinking and faith are mutually exclusive. I agree with you. Faith is to
submit.

And this is why a lot of us hate 'faith'.
Unthinking submission to ancient frauds.
Which are then imposed on others.
Science in classrooms destroyed in favor of
truely cretinous and obviously false myths
peddled by amazingly ignorant and willfully and militantly
ignorant people at that.Islamic Whabists imposing their
unthinking faith on others.
Bush in the name of god lying us into a war.
Cretinous popes denouncing all forms of birth control.
Stupidiy and foolishness in the name of
unthinking blind faith.
We are just now geting over 100 years of racism, Jim Crow
laws, KKK, segregation and hate in the America, legacy
of the Old South, one of the most religous parts of the world
ever.
We had the Holocaust, another pogrom, one of many
christianity has committed over nearly 2 millenia.
Blind faith is evil.
Intellectual honesty, logiocal thinking and
remorseless criticism of ignorant claims is
a duty.
Otherwise we give up the world to the supperstitious,
the militantly ignorant.

No. I am saying it makes it more likely that there is SOME truth there.

The truth of the bible is far, far outweighed by it lies, stupidities,
moral failures and its ignorance. Even as you xians tout this book
of lies and horrords and failures, you ignore the commands of
Jesus and god.
Prayer is to be done in private, sall all you have
and give to the poor.
No religous oaths of any sort.
"No, no, we will NOT obey Jesus as per Matthew
and will put our filthy christian religous oaths on everything, in
everything and force you to battle us over this issue tooth, claw
and nail?
Us christians actully follow the commands of Christ as per Martthew
5:33-8? What, us nasty xians actually follow the words of christ?
No. no. no! We will force ourselves on you every chance we get
even if what we do is forbidden in the bible!
Religous oaths, public prayer! Force it on everbody, like
it or not, forbidden in the bible, well screw that!
We are christians, we don't have to follow the explicit
commands of Jesus Christ!
Do you see why we do not like you and people like you?
Or do you just not care?
--
Apes bad! Dust good!
Apes bad! Dust good!
21st Century American Christianity
in a nutshell.
Cheerful Charlie
.

User: "Zaghadka"
Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?	17 Dec 2004 01:54:02 AM

wbarwell bolted into alt.world, wreathed in wicked, white hot flames, and
screamed...

Zaghadka wrote:

Not semantics. To submit completely is to give up your powers of
discrimination and your methods of resistence. As soon as you start to
think, you are no longer completely submissive.

Thinking and religion are mutually exclusive.

Thinking and faith are mutually exclusive. I agree with you. Faith is to
submit.

And this is why a lot of us hate 'faith'.
Unthinking submission to ancient frauds.

Faith is a bad way to deal with anything other than letting God into your life.
People have taken the experience of God, if they ever even had it, and decided
to worship Faith instead of God. I find it foolish.

Which are then imposed on others.
Science in classrooms destroyed in favor of
truely cretinous and obviously false myths

Creationism has no place in a classroom and is not science. Heck, "intelligent
design" isn't science and has no place in a classroom. Science isn't about
faith and vice versa. Science belongs in a secular school and creationism
belongs in Sunday school. There is so much evidence to show that the world is
far out of sync with creationism. Genesis is metaphorical, and anyone who says
otherwise needs a good look in the mirror.

peddled by amazingly ignorant and willfully and militantly
ignorant people at that.Islamic Whabists imposing their
unthinking faith on others.

Yup. Violent and intuitively wrong.

Bush in the name of god lying us into a war.

Bush is the first President in my life that I would turn away from my door,
unless he was suffering.

Cretinous popes denouncing all forms of birth control.

The Pope preached against the Iraq war as well. At least he is consistent.

Stupidiy and foolishness in the name of
unthinking blind faith.
We are just now geting over 100 years of racism, Jim Crow
laws, KKK, segregation and hate in the America, legacy
of the Old South, one of the most religous parts of the world
ever.

We are far from over it. In fact, IMO, it is getting worse. Witness the stark
divide in our nation. It's gotten to the point where people are carrying around
their own books of facts and refuse to believe or even accept anyone who
differs with them.
Of course, I see this as a lack of humility before God and believe humility to
be the answer.

We had the Holocaust, another pogrom, one of many
christianity has committed over nearly 2 millenia.
Blind faith is evil.

The holocaust wasn't about blind faith. It was about psychological and physical
intimidation and social Darwinism. It was also about an almost universal hatred
of the Jews. It was also about a Europe that couldn't be satisfied with victory
after WWI and decided to opress the loser in defiance of Wilson's 14 points.
It was about being mean, and there was plenty to go around. To blame faith is
either ignorant or disingenuous.

Intellectual honesty, logiocal thinking and
remorseless criticism of ignorant claims is
a duty.

I agree. But, to me, lack of remorse is forthrightness, not attack.

Otherwise we give up the world to the supperstitious,
the militantly ignorant.

I just think we all need to chill out. ;^)

No. I am saying it makes it more likely that there is SOME truth there.

Yup. I say there is a God and the Bible contains a map to find him. Everything
else is private. It does advocate testimony such as I have made. There is much
in the Bible that I must ignore or strive to understand but, to me, the few
moments of complete clarity are everything.
That and the translation is bad and there are testaments missing thanks to the
Catholic church. I've still found the Bible useful, but only as a means of
study, not as some kind of moral guidebook. We have Dianetics for that. ;^)
[snip, because I got tired and I think I made my point that you are not talking
to a typical Christian in my comments above]

Do you see why we do not like you and people like you?
Or do you just not care?

I do care, or you would be killfiled. Christopher Lee has done nothing but call
me names and tell me I understand nothing in reply after reply, but I continue
to read. Others have clearly chosen to see a stereotype and not me, with little
hope of reversal. They conveniently disappeared through filter technology.
--
Zag
Guns cause crime
like flies cause garbage
...bumper sticker
.

User: "RainLover"
Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?	17 Dec 2004 08:32:31 AM

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:54:02 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Bush in the name of god lying us into a war.

Bush is the first President in my life that I would turn away from my door,
unless he was suffering.

..... and then I'd have to run and get my camera before he wondered
off....
james, Seattle
.

User: "Zaghadka"
Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?	17 Dec 2004 10:12:16 AM

RainLover bolted into alt.world, wreathed in wicked, white hot flames, and
screamed...

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:54:02 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Bush in the name of god lying us into a war.

Bush is the first President in my life that I would turn away from my door,
unless he was suffering.

.... and then I'd have to run and get my camera before he wondered
off....

james, Seattle

That's not nice, but I might keep a picture around for reassurance too.
--
Zag
Guns cause crime
like flies cause garbage
...bumper sticker
.

User: "Christopher A. Lee"
Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?	13 Dec 2004 07:35:16 AM

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 04:01:55 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:

David W. Barnes bolted into alt.world, wreathed in wicked, white hot flames,
and screamed...

What you are describing is not a God, but a philosophy. Are you
suggesting that there is no God but only beliefs? If so, I agree with
you.

No. I am saying that there is a one and TRUE God, and that your *human* beliefs
determine which one you find. Belief is human, faith is divine. Beliefs can be
disproved, faith *is*. I have found faith. Whether or not I have *truly* found
faith is up to God when I die. I listen to others that seek God. Many
Christians don't even bother to look into comparative religion. I do. I don't
think Christianity is about locking yourself in a box. At the beginning of
Revelation (the most difficult of the Biblical books), John *blesses* the 7
religions of Asia. He blesses all those who seek God. I do as well.

Don't be so fucking stupid.
.

User: "Attila"
Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?	13 Dec 2004 05:57:22 AM

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 04:01:55 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<tuoqr0l1g9f5p076fnm12l5dfvct66pvc9@4ax.com> wrote:

David W. Barnes bolted into alt.world, wreathed in wicked, white hot flames,
and screamed...

What you are describing is not a God, but a philosophy. Are you
suggesting that there is no God but only beliefs? If so, I agree with
you.

No. I am saying that there is a one and TRUE God, and that your *human* beliefs
determine which one you find.

That sounds to me as if you are saying there is only one god and the
name used does not matter.
Of course, this is simply a guess on your part.
.

User: "Zaghadka"
Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?	13 Dec 2004 03:05:29 PM

Attila bolted into alt.world, wreathed in wicked, white hot flames, and
screamed...

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 04:01:55 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<tuoqr0l1g9f5p076fnm12l5dfvct66pvc9@4ax.com> wrote:

David W. Barnes bolted into alt.world, wreathed in wicked, white hot flames,
and screamed...

What you are describing is not a God, but a philosophy. Are you
suggesting that there is no God but only beliefs? If so, I agree with
you.

No. I am saying that there is a one and TRUE God, and that your *human* beliefs
determine which one you find.

That sounds to me as if you are saying there is only one god and the
name used does not matter.

Of course, this is simply a guess on your part.

Bingo. Allah is the same God as Yaweh is the same God as Yehowah is the same
god as GOD. We share that one, we're part of the Judeo-Christian faith and I
believe it when the Jews and the Muslims say they seek the same God.
I *think* (not *know*) that some of their methods are flawed and they will not
find Him until they accept Christ. I *think* (not *know*) that philosphies
outside of the Judeo-Christian tradition are lost causes.
The only thing I *know* is God. I have found him.
I think we've just made some progress in understanding dude. Praise GOD! ;^)
--
Zag
Guns cause crime
like flies cause garbage
...bumper sticker
.

User: "Attila"
Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?	13 Dec 2004 04:57:36 PM

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:05:29 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<2p0sr01ra3oi2aaef5bhum7qh7ncilfqif@4ax.com> wrote:

Attila bolted into alt.world, wreathed in wicked, white hot flames, and
screamed...

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 04:01:55 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<tuoqr0l1g9f5p076fnm12l5dfvct66pvc9@4ax.com> wrote:

David W. Barnes bolted into alt.world, wreathed in wicked, white hot flames,
and screamed...

What you are describing is not a God, but a philosophy. Are you
suggesting that there is no God but only beliefs? If so, I agree with
you.

No. I am saying that there is a one and TRUE God, and that your *human* beliefs
determine which one you find.

That sounds to me as if you are saying there is only one god and the
name used does not matter.

Of course, this is simply a guess on your part.

So every one of these are exactly the same?
Ahura Mazda, Ahriman, Allah, An, Angra Mainyu, Annana, Aphrodite,
Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Babaluaye, Bacchus, Baldur, Bast,
Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen, Demeter, Diana,
Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, El, Eleggua, Enki, Enlil, Eshu,
Ereshkigal, Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Hades, Hebe, Hecate, Hera,
Helios, Hel, Hephaestus, Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna,
Indra, Ishana, Ishtar, Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter,
Kali, Ki, Krishna Kronos, Korravai, Loki, Lugh, Manitou, Mars,
Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius, Moloch, Morrigan, Nahuiquiahuitl,
Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun, Oshosi, Oshun,
Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto, Persephone, Poseidon,
Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Rhea, Satan, Saturn, Set, Selene,
Shango, Shiva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus, Vesta, Vishnu,
Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus,and possibly
Lint� the Laundry God, Rex the Hamster, and Star Goat
African gods:
Abassi [Sky]
Abonsam [Evil]
Abora [Supreme]
Abzu [Water]
Acoran [Supreme]
Adaheli [Sun]
Adro [Sky]
Adroa [Sky]
Agassou [Panther]
Agbe-Naete [Water]
Age [Animals]
Aigamuxa [Monster]
Ajalamo[Unborn Children]
Aje [Wealth]
Ajok [Supreme]
Akonadi [Oracle]
Akongo [Supreme]
Akuj [Supreme]
Ala [Earth/Fertility]
Alatangana [Creator]
Amma [Creator]
Anansi [Trickster]
Anyiewo [Snake]
Aondo [Creator]
Apa [Creator]
Apedemak [War]
Arawa [Moon]
Arebati [Sky]
Arom [Contracts]
Arsan Duolai [Underworld]
Asase Ya [Earth]
Ashiakle [Wealth]
Asis [Sun]
Astar [Sky]
Ataa Naa
Nyongmo [Creator]
Ataokoloinona [Supreme]
Atete [Fertility]
Avrikiti [Fishermen]
Ayabba
[Ayaba] [Hearth]
Bacax [Cave]
Bagba [Wind]
Balubaal [Earth+]
Bandara [Superior Gods]
Banga [Clear water]
Behanzin [Fish]
Beher [Sea]
Bera Pennu [Vegetation]
Bo [Warriors]
Bomazi[Ancestors]
Buadza [WInd]
Buck[River]
Buku [Sky]
Bumba [Creator]
Cagn [Creator]
(!Kaggen)
Cghene [Creator]
Chiuke
(Chuku) [Creator]
Chiata [Supreme]
Chwezi [Hero]
Col [Rain]
Chikara [Sky]
Danh
(Dan Ayido Hwedo) [Snake]
Deng [Sky]
Deohako [Beans+]
Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods]
Dongo [Outer Space]
Dugbo [Earth]
Dxui [Creator]
Emeli-hi [Supreme]
Eranoranhan [Protector]
Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster]
Fa [Destiny]
Famien [Fertility]
Faro [Sky/Water]
Fidi Mukullu [Creator]
Garang and Abuk [First Humans]
Gbeni [Chief]
Gei (Gou) [Moon]
Gu [War/Smiths]
Gua [Sky]
Gulu [Supreme]
Gunab [Evil]
Guruhi [Evil]
Gurzil [Bull]
Gwalu [Rain]
Hammon [Setting Sun]
Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits]
Heitsi-Eibib [Sorcerer]
Hevioss [Thunder]
Huntin [Tree]
Huvean [Creator]
Ifa [Oracul]
Ikenga [Supreme]
Imana [Creator]
Iruwa [Sun]
Juok [Creator]
Kalumba [Creator]
Kalunga Supreme]
Katavi [Demonic]
Ka Tyeleo [Supreme]
Khebieso [Lightening]
Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon]
Kholomodumo [Monster]
Khuzwane [Creator]
Kibuka [War]
Kokola [Guardian]
Kwammang-a [Supreme]
Kwoth [Spirit]
Kyala [Creator]
Legba [Trickster]
Leza [Chief]
Libanza [Supreme]
Lisa [Chameleon]
Lyangombe[Chief]
Macardit [Demon]
Mantis [Creator]
Massim-Biambe [Creator]
Mawu [Sky]
Mawu-Lisa [Supreme Couple]
Mbotumbo [Supreme]
Medr [Earth]
Moomb [Creator]
Mon [?]
Mugasa
Mugu [Sky]
Mujaji [Rain]
Mukasa [Supreme]
Mula Djadi [Creator]
Muluku [Supreme]
Mulungu
Mungu [Creator]
Mungo (Mungu) [?]
Musa (Teaching]
Musisi [Supreme]
Mwari [Supreme]
Nampa [Personal]
Nana-Bouclou [First Gods]
Nana Buluk [Creator]
Ndjambi [Sky]
Ndriananahary [Supreme]
Nduru [Jungle]
Nenaunir [Storm]
Nesshoue [River]
Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator]
Ngewo-wa [Creator]
Ngworekara [Demon]
Niamye [Supreme]
Nkosi Yama'kosi [Supreme]
Nommo [Elemental]
Nommo [Spirit]
Nyama [Animal]
Nyambe [Supreme]
Nyambi (Nyambe) [Supreme]
Nyame
Nyami-Nyami [Guardian]
Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [Supreme]
Nyamia Ama [Supreme]
Nyasaye [Supeme]
Nzambi (Nzambi)
Mpunguo) [Supreme]
Nzame [Supreme]
Obassi Osaw [Supreme]
Obatala [Sky]
Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth]
Ogun (Ogoun) War]
Olokula [Sea]
Olorun [Supreme]
Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life]
Orahan [Supreme]
Orisa Nla [Creator]
Orishako [Agriculture]
Orunjan [Midday Sun]
Orunmila [Compassion]
Oshalla [?]
Osun [Beauty and Love]
Oya [Passion and Power]
Pemba (Bemba) Mother]
Qandisa [Demon]
Qamata[Quamta] Supreme]
Rock-Sene [Supreme]
Ruwa [Supreme]
Sagbata [Smallpox]
Sakarabru [Medicine]
Sakpata [Smallpox]
Sango [Thunder]
Shango [Thunder]
So [Lightening]
Tano [River]
Tore [Forest]
Trowu[Spirits]
Tsui'goab [Rain]
Twe [Lake]
Umvelinqangi [Creator]
Unkulunkulu [Supreme]
Unumbotte [Creator]
Waka [Rain]
Wele [Supreme]
Wulbari [Supreme]
Wuni [Supreme]
Xewioso [Thunder]
Yemaja [Creation]
Yo [Impersonal]
Zin [Water]
Table of Asian Gods:
BUDDHIST
Abhijnaraja [Physician]
Abhimukhi [One of the Bhumis]
Acala [?]
Adhimukticarya [One of the Bhumis]
Adhimuktivasita [One of the Bhumis]
Adibuddha [First]
Adidharma [Primeval]
Aizen Myo-o [Protective]
Ajaya [?]
Akasagarbha(Tibetan Nam-mkhai
Aksayajnana-Karmanda [Literature]
Aksobhya (Japanese Ashuku, Chinese A-Chu'u) [One of the Dhyani]
Amida [Savior]
Amitabha [A Dhyani]
Amitayus [Longevity]
Amoghapasa [see Avalokitesvara]
Amoghasiddhi [A Dhyani]
Anantamukhi [Literature]
Arapacana [Book and Sword]
Arcismati [Bhumis]
Arhat [A Saint]
Arthapratisamvit [Logical Analysis]
Arya-Tara [Sakti]
Asokakanta [avatar Marici]
Asokottamasri [Physician]
Astabhuja-Kurukulla [avatar Kurukulla]
Asura [Group of Demons]
Avalokitesvara(Avalokita, Lokesvara) [Dhyani Present Age]
Ayurvasita[One vasitas]
Balaparamita [Philosophy]
Bhaisajyaguru(Sman-bla, Otaci,Yao-shih-fo, Yakushi)[Physician]
Bhima[Attendant]
Bhrkuti[Female]
Bhrkuti-Tara [Mother]
Bhumi [Spiritual Spheres]
Bhutadarma [Demon Controller]
Bi-har [Protector]
Bodhidharma [Monk]
Bodhisattva (Chinese Pu-sa) [Born to be Englightened]
Buddhabodhiprabhavasita [Vasitas]
Buddhalocana [Female Buddha]
Budha [Mercury]
Butcho [?]
Chandarosana [Mahayana]
Charcika (Carcika) [Mahayana]
Chakravartin [World Ruler]
Chattrosnisa [An Usnisa]
Chaturmaharajas (Caturmaharajas) [Four Great Kings]
Chittavista [Vashitas]
Citipati [Graveyard Demons]
Cunda [Literature]
Da-shi-zhi [Bodhisattva]
Dadimunda [Temples]
Dainichi' [Purity/Wisdom]
Dakini [Demons]
Dala Kadavara [Demon]
Devaputra [Gods of Lower Rank]
Dhanada [avatar Amoghasiddhi]
Dharani [Mystical Texts]
Dharmadhatuvagisvara [Dharma]
Dharmakirtisagaraghosa [Physician]
Dharmamegha [Bhumis]
Dharmapala ,Chinese Fu Ha [Protective Dieties]
Dharmapratisamvit [Nature Analysis]
Dharmavasita [Vasitas]
Dhritarashtra (Pali Dhatarattha) [One of the 4 World Guardians]
Dhupa [Mother]
Dhupatara [Mahayana]
Dhvajagrakeyura [avatar Aksobhya]
Dhyanaparamita [Philosophy]
Dhyani-Bodhisattvas [Five Bodhisattvas]
Dhyani-Buddhas [Five Meditators]
Di-zang [Bodhisattvas of Hell]
Dvarapala [?]
Ekajata [Terrible]
Emma-o [Judges the Dead]
Fudo [WIsdom]
Guan Yin [bodhisattva]
Hariti [Ate Children]
Hayagriva [Protection]
Heruka [Protection]
Hevajra [Protection]
Ida-Ten [Law/Monestaries]
Jambhala [avatar Vausravana]
Janguli [Snakebite cure]
Jian Lao [Earth/Permanence]
Jizo [Compassion]
Juichimen [Mercy]
Kali devia [avatar Lha-mo]
Kannon [Japanese bodhisattva]
Khasarpana(Khasarpana-Lokesvara) [Indian bodhisattva]
Ki Fudo [avatar Fudo-Myo-o]
Krodhadevatas [Inspire Terror]
Ksitigarbha [One of 8 bodhisattva]
Kuan-yin (Kwannon) [Mercy]
Kujaku Myoo [Esoteric]
Kurukulla [?]
Locana [?]
Mahasthamaprata [Chinese bodhisattva]
Maitreya [Future]
Manjughosa [Nepalese bodhisattva]
Manjusri [bodhisattva]
Mara [Evil]
Marici [Sun]
Mi-lo Fo (Pu-Sa) [Chinese bodhisattva
Miroku [Japanese bodhisattva
Mo-Li [Protects Temples]
Padmanartesvara [avatar Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara]
Pancaraksa[5 Goddesses]
Pandara [?]
Paramasva [?]
Parnasavari [?]
Prajna [Femaleness]
Prajnaparamita [Buddhist Text]
Ran-deng [Beggar and Future Buddha]
Ratnapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
Ratnasambhava [Dhyani-Buddha]
Remanta [King of the Horse gods]
Sakyamuni [Japanese]
Samantabhadra [Bodhisattvas]
Saptaksara [avatar Heruka]
Shakra [King of the Gods]
Ssu Ta T'ien Wang [Kings of Heaven]
Sumbharaja [Buddhist Krodhadevata]
Tennin (Tennyo) [angels]
Usnisavijaya [?]
Vairocana [Dhyani-Buddhas]
Vaisravana (Pali Vessavana, Chinese Do Wen) [Guards World]
Vajrabhairava [?]
Vajrapani [Bodhisattvas]
Vajrasattva [Nepal Dhyani-Buddha]
Vajravarahi [?]
Vajrayogini [Initiation]
Vajrayogini [Riches]
Vidyadharas [?]
Vidyujjvalakarali [?]
Vighnantaka [?]
Virudhaka (Pali Virulha, Chinese Zheng Zhang) [Guards World]
Virupaksa (Pali Virupakkha, Chinese Guand Mu) [Guards Western Heaven]
Visvapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
We-to [Divine General]
Yakushi Nyorai [Healing]
Yama [?]
Yamantaka [Krodhadevatas]
Zhu Dian (Zhu Tian) [Chinese Buddhist gods]
CHINESE GODS
Ao [Sea]
Awun [Destruction]
Ba [Drought]
Ba Gua [Basis of Divination]
Bo Hsian [Taoist]
Cai-Shen [Riches]
Can Cong [Silkworms]
Cao Guo-jiu [Actors]
Chang Fei [War]
Chang Hs'ien [Children]
Chang Kuo-lao [?]
Ch'ang E (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Moon]
Chang Tao Ling [Afterlife]
Cheng-huang (Ch'eng Huang) [Guardians]
Chen Jen [Spiritual Beings]
Cheng San-Kung [Fishermen]
Cheng Yuan Ho (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Buskers]
Chih Nu [Weavers]
Chih Sung-Tzu (Chi Sung Tzu) [Rain]
Chih-Yu [Inventor]
Ch'in-Shu-Pao [Guardian]
Chou Wang [Sodomy]
Chu-Chuan Shen [Pigsties]
Chu Jung [Fire]
Chu Lung [Day/Night]
Chung K'uei [Afterlife]
Chung-li Ch'uan [Immortal]
Confucius [Philosopher]
Di Zhang Xia [?]
Dong-yo Da-di [Helps Sky God]
Erh-Lang [Guardian]
Fan-K'uei [Butchers]
Fei Lien (Fei Lian) [Wind]
Feng-Huang (Hoang-female Phuong-male) [Many Meanings]
Feng Po (Feng-Po) [Human form of the wind]
Feng P'o-p'o (Feng-Po-Po) [Female wind]
Fo [Buddha]
Fu His [Taught Humanity]
Fu Hsing [Happiness]
Fu Shen [Happiness]
Fu-Shou-Lu [Collection of Gods]
Fu-xi [Hero]
Gao Yao (Ting-jian) [Judgement]
Gong Gong [Common Workers]
Gou Mang and Ru Shou [Messengers]
Guan Di (Kuan Ti) [War/Fortune Telling]
Gui Xian [Demon]
Han Hsiang [Immortal]
Han Xiang-zi [Immortal]
He Bo (Bing-yi) [Rivers]
Heng E (Change-e) [Moon]
He Xian-gu [Immortal]
Heng-Ha-Erh-Chiang [Temples]
Heng-o [Moon]
Ho Hsien-ku [Immortal]
Ho Po [River]
Hou Chi [Harvest]
Hou I [Archer]
Hou T'u [Earth]
Hsien [Taoists]
Hsi Ho [Sun's Creator]
Hsi Wang Mu [Guardian]
Hsuan-T'ien-Shang-Ti [Dark Heaven]
Hua Hsien [Flower]
Huang-di (Huang Ti) (Shun) [Hero]
Huang Fei-hu (Fei) [Mountain]
Hu-Shen [Hail]
I [Bowmen]
Infoniwoo [Generation]
I-Ti [Wine]
K'ai Lu Shen [Purges Evil]
Kuan Yu [War]
K'uei Hsing [Examinations]
Lan Cai-he [Immortal]
Lao T'ien Yeh [Supreme]
Lao-Tzu (Lao-zi) [Philosopher]
Lei Kung [Storm]
Lei-zi [Thunder]
Li [Fire]
Li Tie-guai [Immortal]
Liu [Crops]
Lu Dong-bin (Lu Yan) [Immortal]
Lu-Hsing [Salaries/Employees]
Lung Wang [Dragon King]
Lupan [Carpenters]
Ma-Mien [Bureaucrat]
Meng (Meng P'o) [Underworld]
Meng-T'ien [Writing Brush]
Men Shen [Doors, includes sometimes Wei Cheng]
Mu Gong [Immortals]
Niu-Y'oun [Police]
Nu Gua (Nu Kua, Nu Wa) [Creator and Marriage]
O-Mi-T'o Fo [Amitabha]
Pa [Drought]
Pa-Cha [Anti-locusts]
Pa-Hsien [Eight Immortals]
P'an-Chin-Lien [Prostitues]
'P'an Ku (Panku, Pangu) [Cosmos]
Pi-Hsia-Yuan-Chun [Childbirth]
Puhsien [Sun]
Ran-deng [Future Buddha]
San Ch'inga [Three Taos]
Shang Di (Shang Ti) [Supreme]
She Chi (Thu) [Earth]
Shen [Spirit]
Sheng Jen [Holy]
Shen-nong(Shen Nung) [Hero]
Shen-T'u [Guardian]
Shen Yi [Sun]
Shiang Ku [Magician]
Shih-Tien Yen-Wang [Committe of Ten]
Shou-Hsing [Longevity]
Shou Lao (Shou Xing Lao Tou-zi) [Long Life]
Shou-Ts'ang [Servant]
Shui-Fu [Water]
Shui-Kuan [Defender]
Ssu Ming [Life and Death]
Sung-Chiang [Theives]
Sun Hou-Tzu [Monkey]
Sun Hou-zi [Apes]
Sun-Pin [Cobblers]
T'ai I [High]
Tai-sui-xing [Time]
Tai-yi [Sky]
T'ai Yueh Ta Ti (Tung-Yueh-Ta-Ti, T'ai-Yo, Ta-Ti) [Peak]
Thu [Earth]
Tian [Sky]
Tian-zhu [Catholic]
Tien (T'ien) [Sky]
Tien-Hou (T'ien Fei) [Heaven]
T'ien-Kuan [Happiness]
T'ien Lung [Dragon]
Tien Mu [Lightening]
Tien-Wang (Mo-Li) [Kings]
Ti-Kuan [Foregiveness]
Ti Nu (Ti-ya) [Earth]
Ti-Tsang-Wang-Pu-Sa [Mercy]
Ti Yu [Afterlife]
Tou Nu [North Star]
Ts'ai-Lun [Stationers]
Ts'ai Shen [Wealth]
Tsan [Demons]
Ts'ang Chien [Hearth]
Tsao Shen [?]
Tsao-Wang [Hearth]
Tu [Earth]
Tung Wang Kung [Ruled Male Immortals]
T'u-ti (Ti-Ti) [Locality]
Wang [Palace Door]
Wang-Mu-Niang-Niang [Guardian]
Wen Ch'ang (Wen-Chang-Ta-Ti) [Literature]
Wen-Shu Yen-K'ung [Manjushri]
Wen Pu [Epidemics]
Wu Ti [Myth]
Xian [Spirits]
Xi-Wang-mu [Immortality]
Yama [Seventh hell]
Yan-lo (Yan Wang) [Underworld Prince]
Yao [Wind Conqueror]
Yao-shi-fo [Physician]
Yao Wang [Medicine]
Yeng-Wang-Yeh [Death]
Yen Wang (Yen Lo) [Underworld Judge]
Yin and Yang [Male and Female]
Yo Fei [War]
Yu-Chiang [Ocean Winds]
Yu-di (Yu Huang) [Supreme]
Yueh Fei [War]
Yu Huang (Yu-Huang-Shang-Ti) [High]
Yun T'ung [Clouds]
Yu-qiang [Sea]
Yu Shih [Rain]
Yu-tzu [Rain]
Zao Jun [Kitchen]
Zhang Guo-lao [Immortal]
Zhong-Kui [Literature and Examinations]
Zhong-li Quan [Immortal]
[Sources: Brief History of Ancient Chinese Mythology]
Finnish Gods:
Ahto [Water]
Akka [Harvest]
Egres [Vegetation/Fertility]
Hiisi [Forest/Evil]
Ilma [Air]
Ilmarinen [Sky]
Inmar [Sky]
Juma [Sky]
Jumala (Mader-Atcha, Ukk) [Thunder+]
Kalevanpojat [Demons]
Kalma [Death]
Kekri [Fertility Feast]
Kipu-Tytto [Illness]
Kondos [Sowing Crops]
Kuu [Moon]
Lemminkainen [Hero]
Louhi [Sorcery/Evil]
Loviatar [Disease]
Luonnotar [Creator]
Madderakka [Dwarves]
Maahiset [Dwarves]
Naaki [Water]
Nyrckes [?]
Olmai (Olmay) [Divine properties]
Pajainen [?]
Pajonn [Thunder]
Para [Goblin Like]
Pellonpekko [Barley]
Raudna [?]
Rutu [Devil]
Sampsa [Vegetation]
Seides [Stones]
Rauni [?]
Tapio [Forest]
Tiermes [Thunder]
Tuoni [Underworld
Tursas [Monster]
Ukko (Isainen) [Thunder]
Vainamoinen [Hero]
Veralden-radien [World Pillars]
Waralden Olmai [World]
JAPANESE GODS
Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone (Aji-Shiki-Taka-Hiko-Ne) [Thunder]
Ama-No-Minakanushi-No-Kumi [Pole Star]
Ame-No-Oshido-Mimi [Refusal]
Ama-No-Uzume [Fertility]
Ama-Tsu-Kami [Heavenly Gods]
Amatsu Mikaboshi [Evil]
Ame-No-Hohi [Disappeared]
Ame-No-Wakahiko [Ruled Earth]
Bimbo-Gami [Poverty]
Bishamon [War]
Chimata-No-Kami [Rain/Sea]
Daikoku [Wealth]
Ebisu [Labor]
Fuchi [Fire]
Fukurokuju (Fukuro kuju) [Wisdom]
Futsunushi [Lightening]
Gozu-Tenno [Plague]
Haya-Ji (Haya-Tsu-Muji-No-Kami) [Whirlwind]
Hikohohodemi [Hero]
Hinokagutsuchi [Fire]
Hiruko [Morning Sun]
Hoderi [?]
Hisa-Me [Devils]
Ho-Masubi (Kagu Zuchi) [Fire]
Hosuseri [?]
Hotei [Laughter]
Inari [Prosperity]
Izanagi [Creator]
Izanami [Mother]
Jikoku [Guardians]
Jimmu Tenno [Founder]
Jurojin (Jorojin) [Longevity]
Kagu-tsuchi [Fire]
Kamado-gami [Hearth]
Kami [Divinities]
Kami-Musubi (Kami-mi-masubi) [?]
Kami-Nari [Thunder]
Kamui [Sky]
Kappa [Water]
Kawa-No-Kami [Rivers]
Kishijoten [Luck]
Kishimojin [Demon]
Komoku [South]
Kompira [Wealth]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime (Kono-no-hana-saku-ya-hime) [?]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime Kuni-Toko-tachi [First]
Kuni-Tsu-Kami [Earth]
Kura-Okami [Rain/Snow]
Nai-No-Kami [Earthquakes]
Naka-Yama-Tsu-Mi [Mountain Slopes]
Ningyo [Mermaid]
Ninigi [Ruler Earth]
O-Kuni-Nushi (Okuninushi) [Medicine/Sorcery]
Onamuji [Earth]
Omiwa [Protective]
Oni [Demons]
O-Wata-Tsumi [Sea]
O-Yama-Tsu-Mi (O-yama-tsuni) [Mountain]
Raiden [Thunder]
Ryo-Wo [Sea]
Ryujin (Ryugin) [Thunder/Rain]
Sae-No-Kami [Roads]
Sengen-Sama [Guarded Holy Moutain]
Sennin [Immortals]
Shichi-Fukujin [Luck]
Shiko-Me [Devils]
Shine-Tsu-Hiko [Wind]
Shitatera-Hime [?]
Shi-tenno [Cardinal Direction Guardians]
Shojo [Satyrs]
Soko-No-Kuni [Underworld]
Suitengu [Sea]
Sukuna-bikone (Suku-na-biko) [Hot Springs]
Shoki [Enemy of Devils]
Susanowo (Susanoo, Susa-no-wo) [Storms]
Takamimusubi (Taka-mi-masubi) [Royal Family]
Takemikadzuchi [Thunder]
Take-Mi-Musubi [Sun]
Taki-Tsu-Hiko [Rain]
Tatsuta-hime [Autumn]
Ten-gu (Tengu) [Mountain/Forest]
Tenjin (Temmangu) [Learning/Calligraphy]
Tsuki-Yomi (Tsukiyomi) [Moon]
Uji-gami [Ancestors]
Uke-Mochi-No-Kami (Ukemochi, Waka-Uke-Nomi, Toyo-Uke-Bime) [Fertility
and
Food]
Uzume [Mirth]
Wakahiru-me [Rising Sun]\
Wata-tsu-mi [Sea]
Yabune [House]
Zocho [South]
Shinto Amaterasu [Sun]
Ama-Tsu-Mara [Smiths]
Ame-No-Kagase-Wo [Astral]
Ame-No-Mi-Kumari-No-Kami [Water]
Amenominakanushi (Ame-No-Minaka-Nushi-No-Kami) [Supreme]
Am-No-Tanabata-Hime-No-Mikoto [Weavers]
Ame-No-Toko-Tachi-No-Kami [Elemental]
Ame-no-uzume [Dancers]
Benten (Benten-San, Benzaiten, Benzaiten) [Eloquence+]
Fujin [Wind]
Hachiman [War]
Ho-musubi [Fire]
Kami [Idols]
SOUTH ASIAN GODS
Cao Dai(Chinese: Gao-Tai) [Supreme]
Debata [?]
Empung Luminuut [?]
Hainuwele [?]
Hananim [Sky]
Hmin [Ague]
Karei [Supreme]
Kinharingan [Creator]
Kud [Evil]
Laseo [Sun]
Lature Dano [Supreme]
Lowalangi(Lowalani) [World Above]
Mahatala (Mahataral) [Supreme?]
Ma-zu [?]
Nanmata (Namite) [Primeval]
Narbrooi [Woodlands]
Nemu [Primodial]
Palk [Sun]
Puang Matowa [Sky]
Pulug [Thunder]
Reahu [Dark Demon]
Rigenmucha [Supreme]
Silewe Nazarata [?]
Sirao [First]
Ta Pedn [?]
Tnong [Sun]
Tumbrenjak [Original Man]
Upulevo [Sun]
Wunekau [Sun]
CENRAL AND WEST ASIAN GODS
Abyrga [Snake]
Afi [Rain/Thunderstorms]
Aitvaras [Evil]
Alardi [Spirit]
Aralo [Agriculutre]
Armaz [Supreme]
Auseklis (Ausrine) [Stellar]
Baba [Spirit]
Baba Yaga (Jezi-Baba) [Ogress]
Bagvarti [?]
Bangputys [Sea]
Bannik [Baths]
Bagisht [Flood/Prosperity]
Barastir (Barastaer) [Underworld]
Bardha [Elves]
Beg-tse (Cam-srin) [War]
Beng [Satan]
Biegg-Olmai [Wind]
Bogatyri [Heroes]
Boldogasszony (Kisboldogasszony) [Protector Women/Children]
Bolla (Bullar) [Demon]
Buga [Supreme]
Bukura e dheut
[Good Spirit]
Bukuri e qiellit [Jehovah]
Byelobog (Bielbog) [?]
Byelun [?]
Chernobo(Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [?]
Chors [Sun]
Dabog [Sun]
Deive [Stone Spirits]
Dieva deli [?]
Dievini [Less Known Gods]
Dievs [Sky]
Djall [Devil]
Domovoi (Domovoy) [Household]
Donbittir [Water/Fish]
Drag-gshed [Eight Terrible Gods]
Dud [Heavenly Spirit]
Dvorovoi [Courtyard]
Dyavo [Demons]
En [?]
Erlik [King of the Dead]
Es [Sky]
Fatit [Destiny]
Fene [Demon]
Gabija (Gabieta, Gabeta) [Fire]
Gabjauja [Corn]
Giltine [Death]
Guta [Demon]
Hadur [War]
Himavat [Himalayas]
Horagalles [War]
Isdustaya and Papaya [Fate]
Isten [Supreme]
Jagaubis [Fire]
Jarovit (Gerovitus) [War]
Jessis [avatar Jupiter]
Jumis [Fertility]
Juras Mate [Water]
Kaka-Guia [Funerary]
Kalvis [Smith]
Karta [Fate]
Kaukas [?]
Khors [Health/Hunting]
Khyung-gai mGo-can [?]
Kikimora [Household]
K'op'ala [Protective]
Kukuth (Kukudhi) [Sickness]
Kulshedra (Kucedre) [Demon]
Kun-tu-bzan-po [Chief Bon]
Kupala [Water/Magic/Herbs]
Kurdalaegon [Blacksmiths]
Laima [Fate]
Lamaria [Hearth]
Laskowice (Leshcia) [Forest]
Lauka Mate [Fields/Fertility]
Laume [Fairy]
Leshy [Forest]
Lha [Bon Gods]
Lhamo [?]
Ljeschi (Lychie) [Fauns and Satyrs]
Ljubi [Demon]
Manzasiri [Primeval]
Mate [Mother]
Mati Syra Zemlya [Earth]
Medeine (Mejdejn) [Woods]
Meness [Moon]
Menulis [Moon]
Meza Mate [Nature]
Mirsa [Light]
Mokos [Fertility]
Mu (rMu) [Heavenly]
Muma Padura [Wood]
Myesyats (Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [Moon]
Nang Lha [Household]
Nari [Demon]
Nari [Sky]
Num [Sky]
Odqan [Fire]
Ora [Protective]
Ordog [Dark]
Pekar (Pehar) [Demon]
Peko [Barley]
Perendi [Jehovah]
Perit [Mountain Spirits]
Perkons [Thunder]
Perkunas [Thunder]
Perun (Peroun) [Thunder]
Polevik [Field]
Poludnitsa [Field]
Pon [Sky]
Porenutius (Porevit) [?]
Preas Eyn [?]
Preas Eyssaur [Destructive]
Preas Prohm [Primeval]
Prende (Prenne) [Love]
Psezpolnica (Polish Poludnica) [Midday]
Pugu [Sun]
Qormusta (Chormusta) [High]
Rugievit [War]
Rusalki (Rusalka) [Water/Woodlands]
Safa [Weapens]
Sanda [?]
Sarkany [Weather]
Saule [Sun]
Saules meitas [?]
Selardi [Moon]
Shen-Lha-od-dkar [Bon]
Shen-rab [Founder Bon]
Sipe Gyalmo [Bon]
Shiwini [Sun]
Shosshu [Smiths]
Siwini [Sun]
Srat [Demon]
Sri [Demon]
Sridevi [?]
Stribog [Winds]
Svantevit (Svantoveit, Svantovitus) [War/Agriculture]
Svarog [Sky]
Syen [Guardian]
Stihi [Demon]
Teljavelik [Heavenly Smith]
Telyaveli [Smiths]
Tengri [Heavenly Beings]
Tesheba [Weather]
Thab-lha [Hearth]
Triglav (Trigelawus) [War]
Uacilla [Thunder/Rain]
Ulgen [Creator]
Urme [Fate]
Usins [?]
Vadatajs [Evil]
Vampire [Soul of Dead]
Veela [Kindess]
Veja mate [Winds]
Veles (Volos) [Underworld]
Velnias [Devil]
Velu mate [Dead]
Verbti [Fire/North Wind]
Vila [Water]
Vilkacis (Lithuanian Vilkatas) [Werewolf]
Vlkodlaks (Vookodlaks) [Werewolf]
Vodnik [Demon]
Vodyanoi [Water]
Volos (Volusu) [Cattle]
We [Supreme]
Xhindi [Spirits]
Yarilo [Love]
Zaltys [Grass Snake]
Zemepatis (Zemempatis) [Supreme]
Zemes mate [Mother]
Zemyna (Zemyneles) [Earth]
Zorya [Guardian]
Zvezda Dennitsa and Zvezda Vechernyaya [Morning and Evening Star]
SIBERIAN GODS
Ai Tojon [Light]
Ajysyt [Mother]
Anky-Kele [Sea]
Ayi [Creator]
Hittavainen, Hittauanin [Hare-Hunters]
Hinkon [Death Demon]
K'daai [Fire Demon]
Kaltes [The Goddess]
Ke'lets [Death Demon]
Kurkil [Creator]
Kutkinnaku [Good Spirit]
Mayin [Supreme]
Picvu'cin [Hunting/Wild Animals]
Shurdi [Thunderstorms]
Tomam [Bird]
Tomor(Tomorr) [Father Creator]
Xucau [Supreme]
Ye'loje (Pugu) [Sun]
Your proof for that is what?

I *think* (not *know*) that some of their methods are flawed and they will not
find Him until they accept Christ. I *think* (not *know*) that philosphies
outside of the Judeo-Christian tradition are lost causes.

Of course, you have yet to prove any god is valid>

The only thing I *know* is God. I have found him.

He wasn't lost. He is drunk under my table.

I think we've just made some progress in understanding dude. Praise GOD! ;^)

That would have a little more meaning if you had proven any god
existed. Until you do, save it for someone who may care.
.

User: "Zaghadka"
Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?	14 Dec 2004 06:26:27 AM