Religions > Bible > Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians?
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"Gactimus" |
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09 Dec 2004 01:14:57 AM |
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Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians? |
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
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Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian myself who
strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd take the
secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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09 Dec 2004 11:23:40 AM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian myself who
strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd take the
secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Jesus was pro-choice. Not that I expect a murderous lunatic like you
to know anything about Jesus or the Bible.
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of
thee turn not thou away.
Matt 5:42
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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09 Dec 2004 01:23:46 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian myself
who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd take
the secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Jesus was pro-choice. Not that I expect a murderous lunatic like you
to know anything about Jesus or the Bible.
A pro-choicer calling someone a murderous lunatic. How ironic.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians? |
10 Dec 2004 12:53:08 AM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian myself
who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd take
the secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Jesus was pro-choice. Not that I expect a murderous lunatic like you
to know anything about Jesus or the Bible.
A pro-choicer calling someone a murderous lunatic.
When you cheer the deaths of thousands of innocent people then you
are a murderous lunatic.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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09 Dec 2004 04:25:45 AM |
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Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian myself who
strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd take the
secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Verse please.
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09 Dec 2004 07:54:16 AM |
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--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian myself
who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd take
the secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence. Are
those things okay, too?
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male and
female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing is said
about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that could be
construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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09 Dec 2004 11:25:22 AM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian myself
who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd take
the secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence. Are
those things okay, too?
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male and
female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing is said
about any other type of union.
Nor is anything said about any government recognition of marriage.
So obviously the government should not be involved at all.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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09 Dec 2004 01:22:55 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cpa1q2$s6b$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian myself
who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd take
the secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence. Are
those things okay, too?
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male and
female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing is
said about any other type of union.
Nor is anything said about any government recognition of marriage.
So obviously the government should not be involved at all.
Probably not.
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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09 Dec 2004 09:04:34 AM |
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Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian myself
who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd take
the secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence. Are
those things okay, too?
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male and
female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing is said
about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that could be
construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
Or as an argument against abortion, either.
Know what interests me though? John 8:7.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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09 Dec 2004 09:51:29 AM |
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--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r7s4F3eb450U1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian myself
who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd take
the secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence. Are
those things okay, too?
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male and
female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing is
said about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that could be
construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
Or as an argument against abortion, either.
What evidence do you have that Jesus would have approved of abortion?
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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09 Dec 2004 10:12:56 AM |
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Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r7s4F3eb450U1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian myself
who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd take
the secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence. Are
those things okay, too?
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male and
female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing is
said about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that could be
construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
Or as an argument against abortion, either.
What evidence do you have that Jesus would have approved of abortion?
Why would I care? I'm not Christian. You seem to think that he takes
your side, however, which is expressed nowhere in the Bible, although
they took care to note that fetus=property.
--
--sexkitten--Gone crazy, be back later, leave message.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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09 Dec 2004 10:14:47 AM |
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--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31rbs8F3bkdfmU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r7s4F3eb450U1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian myself
who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd take
the secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence. Are
those things okay, too?
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male and
female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing is
said about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that could be
construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
Or as an argument against abortion, either.
What evidence do you have that Jesus would have approved of abortion?
Why would I care? I'm not Christian. You seem to think that he takes
your side, however, which is expressed nowhere in the Bible, although
they took care to note that fetus=property.
Nice backpedal.
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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09 Dec 2004 10:42:33 AM |
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Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31rbs8F3bkdfmU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r7s4F3eb450U1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian myself
who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd take
the secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence. Are
those things okay, too?
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male and
female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing is
said about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that could be
construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
Or as an argument against abortion, either.
What evidence do you have that Jesus would have approved of abortion?
Why would I care? I'm not Christian. You seem to think that he takes
your side, however, which is expressed nowhere in the Bible, although
they took care to note that fetus=property.
Nice backpedal.
No backpedal involved. I gave you my evidence- the fact that he never
even brought it up, never mind forbade it, the fact that the bible
expressly states that a fetus is property- so where's your evidence that
Jesus disapproved?
--
--sexkitten--Gone crazy, be back later, leave message.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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09 Dec 2004 11:02:20 AM |
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--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31rdjqF3ehf6jU2@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31rbs8F3bkdfmU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r7s4F3eb450U1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian
myself
who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all
liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd
take
the secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence.
Are
those things okay, too?
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male and
female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman
joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing is
said about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that could be
construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
Or as an argument against abortion, either.
What evidence do you have that Jesus would have approved of abortion?
Why would I care? I'm not Christian. You seem to think that he takes
your side, however, which is expressed nowhere in the Bible, although
they took care to note that fetus=property.
Nice backpedal.
No backpedal involved. I gave you my evidence- the fact that he never
even brought it up, never mind forbade it, the fact that the bible
expressly states that a fetus is property-
Where in the Bible does it state that a fetus is property.
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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09 Dec 2004 08:07:22 PM |
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Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31rdjqF3ehf6jU2@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31rbs8F3bkdfmU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r7s4F3eb450U1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian
myself
who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all
liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd
take
the secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence.
Are
those things okay, too?
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male and
female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman
joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing is
said about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that could be
construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
Or as an argument against abortion, either.
What evidence do you have that Jesus would have approved of abortion?
Why would I care? I'm not Christian. You seem to think that he takes
your side, however, which is expressed nowhere in the Bible, although
they took care to note that fetus=property.
Nice backpedal.
No backpedal involved. I gave you my evidence- the fact that he never
even brought it up, never mind forbade it, the fact that the bible
expressly states that a fetus is property-
Where in the Bible does it state that a fetus is property.
Ex:21:22: If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit
depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely
punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he
shall pay as the judges determine.
Ex:21:23: And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
--
--sexkitten--Gone crazy, be back later, leave message.
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09 Dec 2004 08:14:34 PM |
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--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31semrF3frllmU2@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31rdjqF3ehf6jU2@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31rbs8F3bkdfmU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r7s4F3eb450U1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian
myself
who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all
liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd
take
the secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence.
Are
those things okay, too?
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male
and female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one
woman
joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing
is said about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that could
be construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
Or as an argument against abortion, either.
What evidence do you have that Jesus would have approved of
abortion?
Why would I care? I'm not Christian. You seem to think that he takes
your side, however, which is expressed nowhere in the Bible, although
they took care to note that fetus=property.
Nice backpedal.
No backpedal involved. I gave you my evidence- the fact that he never
even brought it up, never mind forbade it, the fact that the bible
expressly states that a fetus is property-
Where in the Bible does it state that a fetus is property.
Ex:21:22: If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit
depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely
punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he
shall pay as the judges determine.
Ex:21:23: And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for
life,
Nothing in there about a fetus being property.
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Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31semrF3frllmU2@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31rdjqF3ehf6jU2@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31rbs8F3bkdfmU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r7s4F3eb450U1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian
myself
who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all
liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd
take
the secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence.
Are
those things okay, too?
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male
and female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one
woman
joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing
is said about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that could
be construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
Or as an argument against abortion, either.
What evidence do you have that Jesus would have approved of
abortion?
Why would I care? I'm not Christian. You seem to think that he takes
your side, however, which is expressed nowhere in the Bible, although
they took care to note that fetus=property.
Nice backpedal.
No backpedal involved. I gave you my evidence- the fact that he never
even brought it up, never mind forbade it, the fact that the bible
expressly states that a fetus is property-
Where in the Bible does it state that a fetus is property.
Ex:21:22: If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit
depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely
punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he
shall pay as the judges determine.
Ex:21:23: And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for
life,
Nothing in there about a fetus being property.
Fetus dies: you pay the owner a fine.
Woman dies: you die.
You may of course choose to read whatever best suits your personal
beliefs, but bear in mind that it isn't what is actually there.
--
--sexkitten--Gone crazy, be back later, leave message.
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09 Dec 2004 08:54:28 PM |
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"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:31sfllF3f4qosU3@individual.net...
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31semrF3frllmU2@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31rdjqF3ehf6jU2@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31rbs8F3bkdfmU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r7s4F3eb450U1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian
myself
who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all
liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite
his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one,
I'd
take
the secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers
anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic
violence.
Are
those things okay, too?
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male
and female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one
woman
joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing
is said about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that
could
be construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
Or as an argument against abortion, either.
What evidence do you have that Jesus would have approved of
abortion?
Why would I care? I'm not Christian. You seem to think that he takes
your side, however, which is expressed nowhere in the Bible,
although
they took care to note that fetus=property.
Nice backpedal.
No backpedal involved. I gave you my evidence- the fact that he never
even brought it up, never mind forbade it, the fact that the bible
expressly states that a fetus is property-
Where in the Bible does it state that a fetus is property.
Ex:21:22: If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit
depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely
punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he
shall pay as the judges determine.
Ex:21:23: And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for
life,
Nothing in there about a fetus being property.
Fetus dies: you pay the owner a fine.
Woman dies: you die.
You may of course choose to read whatever best suits your personal
beliefs, but bear in mind that it isn't what is actually there.
--
--sexkitten--Gone crazy, be back later, leave message.
So why is there an Old Testament and a New one? So you can pick your own
rules? I love the christian view on the bible... If it has anything to do
with their personal views, they will choose the book best suited, but if you
ask about other stuff it's always "That's in the Old Testament" Go figure
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09 Dec 2004 09:00:11 PM |
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Krist with a K wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:31sfllF3f4qosU3@individual.net...
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31semrF3frllmU2@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31rdjqF3ehf6jU2@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31rbs8F3bkdfmU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r7s4F3eb450U1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian
myself
who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all
liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite
his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one,
I'd
take
the secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers
anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic
violence.
Are
those things okay, too?
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male
and female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one
woman
joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing
is said about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that
could
be construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
Or as an argument against abortion, either.
What evidence do you have that Jesus would have approved of
abortion?
Why would I care? I'm not Christian. You seem to think that he takes
your side, however, which is expressed nowhere in the Bible,
although
they took care to note that fetus=property.
Nice backpedal.
No backpedal involved. I gave you my evidence- the fact that he never
even brought it up, never mind forbade it, the fact that the bible
expressly states that a fetus is property-
Where in the Bible does it state that a fetus is property.
Ex:21:22: If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit
depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely
punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he
shall pay as the judges determine.
Ex:21:23: And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for
life,
Nothing in there about a fetus being property.
Fetus dies: you pay the owner a fine.
Woman dies: you die.
You may of course choose to read whatever best suits your personal
beliefs, but bear in mind that it isn't what is actually there.
--
--sexkitten--Gone crazy, be back later, leave message.
So why is there an Old Testament and a New one? So you can pick your own
rules?
Exactly. They can find a way to justify just about anything they want to do.
I love the christian view on the bible... If it has anything to do
with their personal views, they will choose the book best suited, but if you
ask about other stuff it's always "That's in the Old Testament" Go figure
Of course they have no problem quoting the parts of the OT that they
like... the 10 commandments, for example.
--
--sexkitten--Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who
find it.
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09 Dec 2004 10:14:07 AM |
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In article <5w_td.86040$vO1.500120@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Gactimus
<gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r7s4F3eb450U1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian myself
who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd take
the secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence. Are
those things okay, too?
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male and
female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing is
said about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that could be
construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
Or as an argument against abortion, either.
What evidence do you have that Jesus would have approved of abortion?
Or better yet, who cares what Jesus thought of abortion? (Which was
common during that time a fact which Jesus never seem to care enough to
comment on.)
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09 Dec 2004 09:12:10 AM |
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--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r7s4F3eb450U1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian myself
who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd take
the secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence. Are
those things okay, too?
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male and
female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing is
said about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that could be
construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
Or as an argument against abortion, either.
Know what interests me though? John 8:7.
That verse isn't saying what you think it is.
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09 Dec 2004 09:23:37 AM |
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Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r7s4F3eb450U1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian myself
who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all liberals
atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush despite his
theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick one, I'd take
the secular liberal over the right-wing Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence. Are
those things okay, too?
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male and
female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing is
said about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that could be
construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
Or as an argument against abortion, either.
Know what interests me though? John 8:7.
That verse isn't saying what you think it is.
Still waiting, "Trans-Former"(tm). Did you write to a bible scholar for
an answer?
I'm sure in your mind it was saying something that has nothing to do
with compassion, or not passing judgement on others, but I'm curious to
know exactly how badly you've mistranslated it.
--
--sexkitten--Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no
influence on society.
-Mark Twain
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09 Dec 2004 09:51:29 AM |
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--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r8vrF3dnfoqU1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r7s4F3eb450U1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian
myself who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all
liberals atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush
despite his theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick
one, I'd take the secular liberal over the right-wing
Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence. Are
those things okay, too?
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male and
female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing is
said about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that could be
construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
Or as an argument against abortion, either.
Know what interests me though? John 8:7.
That verse isn't saying what you think it is.
Still waiting, "Trans-Former"(tm). Did you write to a bible scholar for
an answer?
I'm sure in your mind it was saying something that has nothing to do
with compassion, or not passing judgement on others, but I'm curious to
know exactly how badly you've mistranslated it.
The whole thing was not intended by her accusers to make judgement on her,
but instead was intended as a testing of Christ. Under the law, her
accusers, who 'caught her in the very act', were required to stone the man
she was caught with also. It seems they forgot all about doing anything
about him. In Jewish law, witnesses to the capital offense began the
stoning. When Jesus said, He who is without sin among you, let him throw a
stone at her first, what he was saying was, "All right, let's execute her.
But let's do it right. One of the witnesses has to throw the first stone.
So who among you is the one who witnessed this crime, but only brought to
Me the woman, not the man?"
Jesus makes it plain - whoever the witness is, whoever the one who has the
right to cast the first stone is, he is as guilty as the woman taken in
adultery, because of his hypocrisy.
After the ordeal, you'll notice He doesn't tell the woman that the law is
wrong; that it should be changed to make adultery legal. He doesn't even
tell her that what she was doing is fine. Quite the contrary He tells her
that she's been sinning and that she should do it no more.
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10 Dec 2004 11:48:59 AM |
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Gactimus bolted into alt.world, wreathed in wicked, white hot flames, and
screamed...
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r8vrF3dnfoqU1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r7s4F3eb450U1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian
myself who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all
liberals atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush
despite his theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick
one, I'd take the secular liberal over the right-wing
Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence. Are
those things okay, too?
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male and
female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing is
said about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that could be
construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
Or as an argument against abortion, either.
Know what interests me though? John 8:7.
That verse isn't saying what you think it is.
Still waiting, "Trans-Former"(tm). Did you write to a bible scholar for
an answer?
Do you care? Either his words ring true or they don't. Surely you can make your
own decisions about his ideas without requiring additional authority. In my
mind, once he writes those words, they are *your words*. He is giving them to
you. Do with them as you will.
I'm sure in your mind it was saying something that has nothing to do
with compassion, or not passing judgement on others, but I'm curious to
know exactly how badly you've mistranslated it.
The whole thing was not intended by her accusers to make judgement on her,
but instead was intended as a testing of Christ.
Right. And I suppose you have a direct line to John to confirm these
intentions. Why don't we all try to avoid such pretense? Let me give you a
hint. Start your sentences, or at least your paragraphs, with "I think that..."
[snip]
Jesus makes it plain -
Jesus made it plain some 2000 years ago and John's verses of witness have
likely been mistranslated at least 3 times over. What we have now is far from
plain. I suggest you let the verse speak through God to whomever may read it.
IMHO, Biblical interpretation is as holy as the Bible itself, given one is
genuinely trying to interpret it through the lens of God. Your absolutism tells
me you are not. You seem to have missed the simple fact that you cannot
understand God. Do I need to point out all the verses that seem to tell us that
God's purposes are inscrutable? Book of Job anyone?
Think. Have you submitted to Christ's will?
whoever the witness is, whoever the one who has the
right to cast the first stone is, he is as guilty as the woman taken in
adultery, because of his hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy is a human concept. He would equally be a hypocrite to call himself a
Jew and not follow the "laws of God." I don't think God cares either way.
After the ordeal, you'll notice He doesn't tell the woman that the law is
wrong; that it should be changed to make adultery legal. He doesn't even
tell her that what she was doing is fine. Quite the contrary He tells her
that she's been sinning and that she should do it no more.
Which is the difference between the laws of men and God's law. God *will* judge
us all in the end. If you truly believe what you preach you should know that
human law, your laws and mine, are fatally flawed. I think Jesus wasn't
addressing the human laws at all; he spoke of God's law instead. You assume
that by his omission of the laws regarding adultery, he supports them. I think
he is unconcerned with such drivel, he just doesn't want people throwing rocks
in God's name anymore. He tells the woman that she has sinned, not that she
broke the law. He doesn't care about that. He just wants her to stop hurting
herself. That, I think, is ultimately what sinning is.
The New Covenant versus the Old Covenant. God handed down laws and we took them
too far and twisted them mercilessly with the flesh and money. God sent Christ
to receive all the misery we could dish out and then proved that it didn't
matter worth a damn. Christ rose above it all.
In the end, you can tear the flesh of others, you can judge them, you can
deride them, but if their spirit is pure, God will accept them in his Kingdom.
That's how Christ speaks to me. We are made in God's image, and God is above
all that.
How can you claim that God would endorse any human law? We're all just doing
the best we can. Those who have not found God will find God, or they will
perish. I don't think God needs your help in his ultimate judgement or in
declaring his intentions.
In other words please play nice, BOTH OF YOU, for your own sake.
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Zag
Guns cause crime
like flies cause garbage
...bumper sticker
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| Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians? |
09 Dec 2004 10:16:31 AM |
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Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r8vrF3dnfoqU1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r7s4F3eb450U1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian
myself who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are all
liberals atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush
despite his theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to pick
one, I'd take the secular liberal over the right-wing
Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence. Are
those things okay, too?
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male and
female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined
together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing is
said about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that could be
construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
Or as an argument against abortion, either.
Know what interests me though? John 8:7.
That verse isn't saying what you think it is.
Still waiting, "Trans-Former"(tm). Did you write to a bible scholar for
an answer?
I'm sure in your mind it was saying something that has nothing to do
with compassion, or not passing judgement on others, but I'm curious to
know exactly how badly you've mistranslated it.
The whole thing was not intended by her accusers to make judgement on her,
but instead was intended as a testing of Christ. Under the law, her
accusers, who 'caught her in the very act', were required to stone the man
she was caught with also. It seems they forgot all about doing anything
about him. In Jewish law, witnesses to the capital offense began the
stoning. When Jesus said, He who is without sin among you, let him throw a
stone at her first, what he was saying was, "All right, let's execute her.
But let's do it right. One of the witnesses has to throw the first stone.
So who among you is the one who witnessed this crime, but only brought to
Me the woman, not the man?"
Wow, you've not only mistranslated, you've invented an entire new passage.
Jesus makes it plain - whoever the witness is, whoever the one who has the
right to cast the first stone is, he is as guilty as the woman taken in
adultery, because of his hypocrisy.
Actually, I thought he made it pretty plain without you making up new
verses and reading your own personal message into them.
After the ordeal, you'll notice He doesn't tell the woman that the law is
wrong; that it should be changed to make adultery legal. He doesn't even
tell her that what she was doing is fine. Quite the contrary He tells her
that she's been sinning and that she should do it no more.
And yet he said nothing about abortion. Interesting.
--
--sexkitten--Gone crazy, be back later, leave message.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians? |
09 Dec 2004 10:14:14 AM |
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--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31rc31F3crg1iU1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r8vrF3dnfoqU1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r7s4F3eb450U1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian
myself who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are
all liberals atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush
despite his theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to
pick one, I'd take the secular liberal over the right-wing
Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence.
Are those things okay, too?
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male and
female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman
joined together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9)
Nothing is said about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that could
be construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
Or as an argument against abortion, either.
Know what interests me though? John 8:7.
That verse isn't saying what you think it is.
Still waiting, "Trans-Former"(tm). Did you write to a bible scholar for
an answer?
I'm sure in your mind it was saying something that has nothing to do
with compassion, or not passing judgement on others, but I'm curious to
know exactly how badly you've mistranslated it.
The whole thing was not intended by her accusers to make judgement on
her, but instead was intended as a testing of Christ. Under the law,
her accusers, who 'caught her in the very act', were required to stone
the man she was caught with also. It seems they forgot all about doing
anything about him. In Jewish law, witnesses to the capital offense
began the stoning. When Jesus said, He who is without sin among you,
let him throw a stone at her first, what he was saying was, "All right,
let's execute her. But let's do it right. One of the witnesses has to
throw the first stone. So who among you is the one who witnessed this
crime, but only brought to Me the woman, not the man?"
Wow, you've not only mistranslated, you've invented an entire new
passage.
Jesus makes it plain - whoever the witness is, whoever the one who has
the right to cast the first stone is, he is as guilty as the woman
taken in adultery, because of his hypocrisy.
Actually, I thought he made it pretty plain without you making up new
verses and reading your own personal message into them.
I haven't made anything up. You just need to learn how to read the Bible in
context.
After the ordeal, you'll notice He doesn't tell the woman that the law
is wrong; that it should be changed to make adultery legal. He doesn't
even tell her that what she was doing is fine. Quite the contrary He
tells her that she's been sinning and that she should do it no more.
And yet he said nothing about abortion. Interesting.
What evidence do you have that Jesus would approve of abortion?
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: Who Is More Moral- Athiest Liberals Or Conservative Christians? |
09 Dec 2004 10:40:02 AM |
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Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31rc31F3crg1iU1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r8vrF3dnfoqU1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31r7s4F3eb450U1@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:31qnhaF3ega8aU3@individual.net:
Gactimus wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cp8s27$iq6$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
I report, you decide.
Not all Christians are conservative (I'm a liberal Christian
myself who strongly dislikes the Christian coalition) nor are
all liberals atheists (a lot of moronic atheists voted for Bush
despite his theocratic nature, sadly). Although if I had to
pick one, I'd take the secular liberal over the right-wing
Bible-thumpers anyday.
Jesus was a liberal.
Supporting fag marriage and abortion? Not likely.
Where did he condemn either one?
Jesus never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence.
Are those things okay, too?
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".
Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male and
female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman
joined together as "one flesh". (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9)
Nothing is said about any other type of union.
As for abortion, there's nothing that Jesus said or did that could
be construed as agreement with or support of abortion.
Or as an argument against abortion, either.
Know what interests me though? John 8:7.
That verse isn't saying what you think it is.
Still waiting, "Trans-Former"(tm). Did you write to a bible scholar for
an answer?
I'm sure in your mind it was saying something that has nothing to do
with compassion, or not passing judgement on others, but I'm curious to
know exactly how badly you've mistranslated it.
The whole thing was not intended by her accusers to make judgement on
her, but instead was intended as a testing of Christ. Under the law,
her accusers, who 'caught her in the very act', were required to stone
the man she was caught with also. It seems they forgot all about doing
anything about him. In Jewish law, witnesses to the capital offense
began the stoning. When Jesus said, He who is without sin among you,
let him throw a stone at her first, what he was saying was, "All right,
let's execute her. But let's do it right. One of the witnesses has to
throw the first stone. So who among you is the one who witnessed this
crime, but only brought to Me the woman, not the man?"
Wow, you've not only mistranslated, you've invented an entire new
passage.
Jesus makes it plain - whoever the witness is, whoever the one who has
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