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User: "Pastor Winter JNAHC"
Date: 21 Oct 2003 11:57:07 PM
Object: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM!
"Lance S. Ferm" <lsferm@earthlink.net> spake thusly and wrote:

1 Cor 2:2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus
Christ and Him crucified.

When the filthy accursed deceiver Lance Ferm posts a Bible verse
it is for the purpose of deceiving souls into a comfortable
disobedience of the Bible. He is just fishing for fools, though.
Anyone with even basic Bible knowledge knows that the Book of
Corinthians is a letter to people who had already been baptised
in Jesus Name.
False-christian scum like Lance Ferm want you to reject Jesus
Name Baptism since they have. Why would any real Christian
want you NOT to have a Biblical experience? Real Christians
need to join with me in obedience of Gal 1:8 regarding Lance
Ferm AND the filthy false preachers that created the filthy
little deceiver.
Note when Paul was commanded to be baptised:
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and
wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Many false preachers (accursed of God) teach that baptism is
merely "An outward profession of inward faith" or some such
nonsense. It is a lie from the very pits of hell, a trick of the
devil to keep people in their sins. Water baptism is the re-birth
of Water referred to in John 3:5.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but
he that believeth not shall be damned.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of
sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized:
and the same day there were added [unto them] about three
thousand souls.

Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were
astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the
Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify
God. Then answered Peter,
Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be
baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of
the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism
of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe
on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Acts 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name
of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and
wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
** Sins are washed away in Jesus' name baptism **

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into
Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
False-christian scum like Lance Ferm don't want you to be
baptized into the death of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into
Christ have put on Christ.
False-christian scum like Lance Ferm don't want you to put
on Christ.
See?
Pastor sTeve Winter
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User: "Teresita"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 02 Nov 2003 03:27:48 PM
In article <s43cpvokr9iq4j17ofpf4ghib10r73da0t@4ax.com>, Pastor Winter JNAHC
says...


Anyone with even basic Bible knowledge knows that the Book of
Corinthians is a letter to people who had already been baptised
in Jesus Name.

"Baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost has
Christ for its authority, not any man, whoever he may be; and Christ is the
truth, not any man" (Augustine, On Baptism, Against the Donatists 4:24 [57]
[A.D. 400]).
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User: "Raymond"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 02 Nov 2003 10:14:27 PM
"Teresita" <teresita@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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In article <s43cpvokr9iq4j17ofpf4ghib10r73da0t@4ax.com>, Pastor Winter

JNAHC

says...



Anyone with even basic Bible knowledge knows that the Book of
Corinthians is a letter to people who had already been baptised
in Jesus Name.


"Baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost

has

Christ for its authority, not any man, whoever he may be; and Christ is

the

truth, not any man" (Augustine, On Baptism, Against the Donatists 4:24

[57]

[A.D. 400]).

Then why is it that we find no place in the bible stories of them baptized
ever even once being baptized in the name of these titles?


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User: "Teresita"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 03 Nov 2003 08:36:24 AM
In article <bo4nuj$jsq8@rain.i-cable.com>, Raymond"
<rwknapp[-no-scam]@hotmail.com> says...



"Teresita" <teresita@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:bo3ssk02br9@drn.newsguy.com...

"Baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost
has Christ for its authority, not any man, whoever he may be; and Christ is
the truth, not any man" (Augustine, On Baptism, Against the Donatists 4:24
[57] [A.D. 400]).


Then why is it that we find no place in the bible stories of them baptized
ever even once being baptized in the name of these titles?

For the sake of brevity, whenever the Trinitarian formula was used, it was
referred to as simply "Jesus name" baptism, and also to differentiate it from
the other baptisms of the period.
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User: "Raymond"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 03 Nov 2003 10:07:24 PM
"Teresita" <teresita@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:bo5p58026lm@drn.newsguy.com...

In article <bo4nuj$jsq8@rain.i-cable.com>, Raymond"
<rwknapp[-no-scam]@hotmail.com> says...



"Teresita" <teresita@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:bo3ssk02br9@drn.newsguy.com...


"Baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost
has Christ for its authority, not any man, whoever he may be; and Christ

is

the truth, not any man" (Augustine, On Baptism, Against the Donatists

4:24

[57] [A.D. 400]).


Then why is it that we find no place in the bible stories of them

baptized

ever even once being baptized in the name of these titles?


For the sake of brevity, whenever the Trinitarian formula was used, it was
referred to as simply "Jesus name" baptism, and also to differentiate it

from

the other baptisms of the period.

For the brevity, that was not so. The Trinitarian formula was NEVER USED in
the Bible or for hundreds of years there after, it was not even invented or
accepted by a few till 321 AD. So for truth, lets not play with your
brevity. What you just did was prove the ONENESS view that the name of the
Father, Son and Holy Ghost is found in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, or
Jesus name.
Thank you, then next time think a little, as making it short, only proved
the so called Trinity doctrine was never used, only JESUS NAME!


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User: "Teresita"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 03 Nov 2003 10:51:27 PM
In article <bo79ao$pvl4@rain.i-cable.com>, Raymond"
<rwknapp[-no-scam]@hotmail.com> says...

For the brevity, that was not so. The Trinitarian formula was NEVER USED in
the Bible or for hundreds of years there after, it was not even invented or
accepted by a few till 321 AD.

On the contrary, in 215 AD St. Hippolytus wrote:
"When the one being baptized goes down into the water, the one baptizing him
shall put his hand on him and speak thus: 'Do you believe in God, the Father
Almighty?' And he that is being baptized shall say: 'I believe.' Then, having
his hand imposed upon the head of the one to be baptized, he shall baptize him
once. Then he shall say: 'Do you believe in Christ Jesus . . . ?' And when he
says: 'I believe,' he is baptized again. Again shall he say: 'Do you believe in
the Holy Spirit and the holy Church and the resurrection of the flesh?' The one
being baptized then says: 'I believe.' And so he is baptized a third time" (The
Apostolic Tradition 21).
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User: "Raymond"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 04 Nov 2003 04:19:15 AM
"Teresita" <teresita@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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In article <bo79ao$pvl4@rain.i-cable.com>, Raymond"
<rwknapp[-no-scam]@hotmail.com> says...

For the brevity, that was not so. The Trinitarian formula was NEVER USED

in

the Bible or for hundreds of years there after, it was not even invented

or

accepted by a few till 321 AD.


On the contrary, in 215 AD St. Hippolytus wrote:

That is interesting but where did you get that information from, I have not
seen it, and I have looked. Still even if that was so, it was still over a
hundred years after the last Apostle died and the early Church is recorded
in the Bible. Therefore there is no records that date back to the early
Church that Jesus talked to and the Apostles that helped set the doctrine of
the Church ever even using the word Trinity. Just was not done by Jesus or
any of the Church of that time in the foundation which would give us the
basic for teaching.
St. Hippolytus was born c. 170
died c. 235, , Sardinia; Western feast day August 13, Eastern feast day
January 30
Christian martyr who was also the first antipope (217/218-235).
Hippolytus was a leader of the Roman church during the pontificate (c.
199-217) of St. Zephyrinus, whom he attacked as being a modalist (one who
conceives that the entire Trinity dwells in Christ and who maintains that
the names Father and Son are only different designations for the same
subject). Hippolytus, rather, was a champion of the Logos doctrine that
distinguished the persons of the Trinity. Heconceived of God as a unit who,
while indivisible, was plural. In ethics he was conservative-being
scandalized when Calixtus (successor of Zephyrinus) took measures to extend
absolution to graver sins such as adultery-and he regarded the church as a
society composed exclusively of the just.
Although Hippolytus' reputation as a scholar and his literary talent were
assets to his cause, the church chose Calixtus for the papacy when
Zephyrinus died. In disgust, Hippolytus withdrew from the Roman community
and headed a dissident group that consecrated him. He reigned in opposition
to the succeeding pontificates of Saints Urban I (222-230) and Pontian
(230-235), with whom he was exiled to the mines of Sardinia in 235 during
the persecution of Christians by the Roman emperor Maximinus. There he
became reconciled with Pontian and exhorted his supporters to unite with
Rome. Before dying as martyrs, both resigned to allow for a successor, St.
Anterus (235-236), thus ending the schism. Pope St. Fabian (236-250) had
their corpses brought to Rome for solemn burial.
Rather than an original theologian, Hippolytus was a laborious, learned
compiler whose writings were often marred by an embittered, controversial
tone. The West soon forgot him because he was a schismatic and because he
wrote in Greek. His most important work is considered to be Philosophumena
(one part of a larger work called Refutation of All Heresies), which seeks
to show that the various Christian heresies are traceable to false pagan
philosophies. The church order, known as the Apostolic Tradition (extant
only in later versions; Eng. trans. by G. Dix, 1937), is now generally
attributed to him and illuminates the rites and liturgies in use at Rome in
the early 3rd century AD.
..


"When the one being baptized goes down into the water, the one baptizing

him

shall put his hand on him and speak thus: 'Do you believe in God, the

Father

Almighty?' And he that is being baptized shall say: 'I believe.' Then,

having

his hand imposed upon the head of the one to be baptized, he shall baptize

him

once. Then he shall say: 'Do you believe in Christ Jesus . . . ?' And when

he

says: 'I believe,' he is baptized again. Again shall he say: 'Do you

believe in

the Holy Spirit and the holy Church and the resurrection of the flesh?'

The one

being baptized then says: 'I believe.' And so he is baptized a third time"

(The

Apostolic Tradition 21).

Which was not Apostolic Tradition, or the Bible would of had it recorded,
any church official years later could make up doctrine and it could be
accepted later, still not biblical and still nothing in the Word of God the
Holy Bible to make it so. Just wondering what year was that suppose to have
been written, and what Catholic resource did it come from, and where can we
find such information documented?
Raymond


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User: "Teresita"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 04 Nov 2003 06:50:04 AM
In article <bo7ufm$ha6@rain.i-cable.com>, Raymond"
<rwknapp[-no-scam]@hotmail.com> says...


Still even if that was so, it was still over a
hundred years after the last Apostle died and the early Church is recorded
in the Bible. Therefore there is no records that date back to the early
Church that Jesus talked to and the Apostles that helped set the doctrine of
the Church ever even using the word Trinity.

But clearly the doctrine was laid out much earlier. "For our God, Jesus Christ,
was conceived by Mary in accord with God’s plan: of the seed of David, it is
true, but also of the Holy Spirit" (St. Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the
Ephesians 1, 18:2 [A.D. 110]).
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User: "Raymond"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 04 Nov 2003 08:29:11 AM
"Teresita" <teresita@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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In article <bo7ufm$ha6@rain.i-cable.com>, Raymond"
<rwknapp[-no-scam]@hotmail.com> says...


Still even if that was so, it was still over a
hundred years after the last Apostle died and the early Church is

recorded

in the Bible. Therefore there is no records that date back to the early
Church that Jesus talked to and the Apostles that helped set the doctrine

of

the Church ever even using the word Trinity.


But clearly the doctrine was laid out much earlier. "For our God, Jesus

Christ,

was conceived by Mary in accord with God's plan: of the seed of David, it

is

true, but also of the Holy Spirit" (St. Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the
Ephesians 1, 18:2 [A.D. 110]).

Who is questioning Lord and Savour, of course he was conceived by Mary, that
has nothing to do with a Trinity, then because the Bible says the Holy
Spirit was the Father and not another Father, you still do not end up with
three but the Father of Jesus is the Holy Spirit which still is only ONE
God, and again a trinity doesn't fit the facts of what did happen. Now God
is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, One not three different persons. As
seen by what you just pointed out God the Father is also the Holy Spirit.
God was not conceived the man Jesus was conceived. God would not be God if
he was conceived by another God. That is pagan teachings that did creep
into the Catholic Church.
I find it interesting that you qoute St. Ignatius of Antioch since he died
the year you say you qouted him, also where did you find that information
from?
He is also called Ignatius Theophoros (Greek: "God Bearer") bishop of
Antioch, Syria, known mainly fromseven highly regarded letters that he wrote
during a trip to Rome, as a prisoner condemned to be executed for his
beliefs. He was apparently eager to counteract the teachings of two
groups-the Judaizers, who did not accept the authority of the New Testament,
and the Docetists, who held that Christ's sufferings and death were apparent
but not real. The letters have often been cited as a source of knowledge of
the Christian church at the beginning of the 2nd century. Such sentiments
are a strong argument against the proposition that Ignatius had come under
the influence of some early form of Gnosticism-a dualistic religion that
stressed salvation by esoteric knowledge, or gnosis, rather than by faith.
Some of Ignatius' formulations possibly echo Gnostic language, and he seems
to have made an impression on certain Gnostic sects. Nevertheless, there is
no trace in his letters of the basic Gnostic equation of good and evil with
spirit and matter. He does not even take up St. Paul's antinomy of flesh and
spirit. For him, the spirit is above the flesh rather than against it; even
what the "spiritual man" does "according to the flesh" is spiritual.
Raymond

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User: "Pastor Winter JNAHC"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 02 Nov 2003 10:52:30 PM
Teresita <teresita@newsguy.com> spake thusly and wrote:

"Baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost has
Christ for its authority, not any man, whoever he may be; and Christ is the
truth, not any man" (Augustine, On Baptism, Against the Donatists 4:24 [57]
[A.D. 400]).

So? False-christian scum quoting other false-christian scum to
explain why they don't obey the Bible? Great proof!!!
Why did Jesus tell his followers they would be hated? Was it
because they would have worship services or because they would
live right? (answer provided at the end of this post)
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All
power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
* Jesus declared that he had ALL POWER by himself, then he
commanded that baptism be administered in a singular name.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing
them in the name ...
Notice Jesus said "name" (singular); Then He went on to describe
that singular name.
When the apostles that heard Jesus speak, baptised; they used a
name as Jesus had commanded. They did not "parrot" the
description of the name, but, they used the name itself, because:
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is
none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be
saved.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of
sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that
Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might
have life through his name.

Acts 4:18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak
at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.

Acts 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they
were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism
of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe
on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Acts 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name
of the Lord Jesus.
Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under
the earth;
Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, [do] all in
the name of the Lord Jesus,......

The false church refuses to "do all" in the name of Jesus. They
refuse to baptise in the name of "Jesus". They refuse the NAME,
while parroting the description of the name.
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's
sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake:
but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Luke 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
Pastor sTeve Winter
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User: "Teresita"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 03 Nov 2003 08:34:31 AM
In article <hmnbqvg1tcbdt8pncvp61fc0a17l5rvf0s@4ax.com>, Pastor Winter JNAHC
says...


Teresita <teresita@newsguy.com> spake thusly and wrote:

"Baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost has
Christ for its authority, not any man, whoever he may be; and Christ is the
truth, not any man" (Augustine, On Baptism, Against the Donatists 4:24 [57]
[A.D. 400]).


So? False-christian scum quoting other false-christian scum to
explain why they don't obey the Bible? Great proof!!!

There you have it, folks. Stebie Winter calling the greatest theologian in the
history of the Church, St. Augustine, false Christian scum. But Augustine is
correct. From Christ's mouth we have the trinitarian baptism formula.
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User: "Pastor Winter JNAHC"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 03 Nov 2003 12:33:12 PM
Teresita <teresita@newsguy.com> spake thusly and wrote:

So? False-christian scum quoting other false-christian scum to
explain why they don't obey the Bible? Great proof!!!


There you have it, folks. Stebie Winter calling the greatest theologian in the
history of the Church, St. Augustine, false Christian scum. But Augustine is
correct. From Christ's mouth we have the trinitarian baptism formula.

Scum, dirt false-christian scum "Terestita", it is you and the
other false-christian dirt who ignore what Jesus taught and what
the Apostles obeyed.
Why did Jesus tell his followers they would be hated? Was it
because they would have worship services or because they would
live right? (answer provided at the end of this post)
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All
power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
* Jesus declared that he had ALL POWER by himself, then he
commanded that baptism be administered in a singular name.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing
them in the name ...
Notice Jesus said "name" (singular); Then He went on to describe
that singular name.
When the apostles that heard Jesus speak, baptised; they used a
name as Jesus had commanded. They did not "parrot" the
description of the name, but, they used the name itself, because:
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is
none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be
saved.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of
sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that
Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might
have life through his name.

Acts 4:18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak
at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.

Acts 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they
were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism
of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe
on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Acts 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name
of the Lord Jesus.
Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under
the earth;
Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, [do] all in
the name of the Lord Jesus,......

The false church refuses to "do all" in the name of Jesus. They
refuse to baptise in the name of "Jesus". They refuse the NAME,
while parroting the description of the name.
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's
sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake:
but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Luke 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
Pastor sTeve Winter
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.pentecostal.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
Email
to let them know how you feel about
their blatant religious discrimination against www.prerapture.org
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User: "Teresita"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 03 Nov 2003 12:46:41 PM
In article <7o7dqvg0etdte438vv3gaogn3rhinoptdn@4ax.com>, Pastor Winter JNAHC
says...


Teresita <teresita@newsguy.com> spake thusly and wrote:

So? False-christian scum quoting other false-christian scum to
explain why they don't obey the Bible? Great proof!!!


There you have it, folks. Stebie Winter calling the greatest theologian in

the history of the Church, St. Augustine, false Christian scum. But

Augustine is correct. From Christ's mouth we have the trinitarian baptism

formula.


Scum, dirt false-christian scum "Terestita", it is you and the
other false-christian dirt who ignore what Jesus taught and what
the Apostles obeyed.

"He [Jesus] commanded them to baptize the Gentiles in the name of the Father and
of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. How then do some say that though a Gentile be
baptized...never mind how or of whom, so long as it be done in the name of Jesus
Christ, the remission of sins can follow—-when Christ himself commands the
nations to be baptized in the full and united Trinity?" (Cyprian of Carthage,
Letters 73:18 [A.D. 253]).
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User: "Willie"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 03 Nov 2003 03:07:42 PM
Teresita

In article <7o7dqvg0etdte438vv3gaogn3rhinoptdn@4ax.com>, Pastor Winter JNAHC
says...


Teresita <teresita@newsguy.com> spake thusly and wrote:

So? False-christian scum quoting other false-christian scum to
explain why they don't obey the Bible? Great proof!!!


There you have it, folks. Stebie Winter calling the greatest theologian in

the history of the Church, St. Augustine, false Christian scum. But

Augustine is correct. From Christ's mouth we have the trinitarian baptism

formula.


Scum, dirt false-christian scum "Terestita", it is you and the
other false-christian dirt who ignore what Jesus taught and what
the Apostles obeyed.


"He [Jesus] commanded them to baptize the Gentiles in the name of the Father
and
of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. How then do some say that though a Gentile
be
baptized...never mind how or of whom, so long as it be done in the name of
Jesus
Christ, the remission of sins can follow‹-when Christ himself commands the
nations to be baptized in the full and united Trinity?" (Cyprian of Carthage,
Letters 73:18 [A.D. 253]).

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Matt 3:16 After Jesus was baptized, he came up from the water and behold,
the heavens were opened [for him], and he saw the Spirit of God descending
like a dove [and] coming upon him. 17 And a voice came from the heavens,
saying, ³This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.²
Also, Moses did not deny infants and babies from crossing the Red Sea,
Drinking from the water in the desert of Shur or at Massah and Meribah nor
does Christ deny infants from the water and Spirit of Baptism.
The following appears to parallel:
Exod. 15:22 Then Moses (Exod. 2:1 Now a certain man of the house of Levi
married a Levite woman, 2 who conceived and bore a son. Seeing that he was
a goodly child, she hid him for three months. 3 When she could hide him no
longer, she took a papyrus basket, daubed it with bitumen and pitch, and
putting the child in it, placed it among the reeds on the river bank. 4
His sister stationed herself at a distance to find out what would happen to
him. 5 Pharaoh¹s daughter came down to the river to bathe, while her maids
walked along the river bank. Noticing the basket among the reeds, she sent
her handmaid to fetch it.) led Israel forward from the Red Sea, and they
marched out to the desert of Shur. (Matt. 3:1 In those days John the
Baptist appeared, preaching in the desert of Judea) After traveling for
three days through the desert without finding water, 23 they arrived at
Marah, where they could not drink the water, because it was too bitter.
(Matt 2 and saying, ³Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!²) Hence
this place was called Marah. 24 As the people grumbled against Moses,
saying, ³What are we to drink?² ( Matt. 3:7 When he saw many of the (some
preachers of the day) coming to his baptism, he said to them, ³You brood of
vipers! Luke 23:31 .... the WOOD ..... is dry? ²Who warned you to flee
from the coming wrath? 8 Produce good fruit as evidence of your
repentance.) 25 he appealed to the LORD, who pointed out to him a certain
piece of wood (tree) ( John 15:1 ³I am the true VINE, and my Father is the
vine grower. Mark 6:3 Is he not the CARPENTER (Luke 23:31 for if these
things are done when the WOOD is green ..........² John 15:1 ³I am the
true VINE, and my Father is the vine GROWER. (HE is the WOOD, He is the
CRAFTER.) Ezra 5:8 Let it be known to the king that we have visited the
province of Judah and the house of the great God: it is being rebuilt of cut
stone and the walls are being reinforced with TIMBER; the work is being
carried on diligently and is making good progress under their hands. Ezra
6:4 It shall have three courses of cut stone for each one of TIMBER. The
costs are to be borne by the royal palace.), the son of Mary, and the
brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here
with us?² And they took offense at him.).
EXOD 15:25(CONT) .....WHEN HE (MATT. 3:15 JESUS SAID TO HIM IN REPLY,
³ALLOW IT NOW, FOR THUS IT IS FITTING FOR US (US: Moses + Wood: John the
Baptist + The Carpenter: Green Wood; The Vine.) TO FULFILL ALL
RIGHTEOUSNESS.² THEN HE ALLOWED HIM.) THREW THIS INTO THE WATER (ISA. 12:3
WITH JOY YOU WILL DRAW WATER AT THE FOUNTAIN OF SALVATION, 4 AND SAY ON
THAT DAY: GIVE THANKS TO THE LORD, ACCLAIM HIS NAME; AMONG THE NATIONS MAKE
KNOWN HIS DEEDS, PROCLAIM HOW EXALTED IS HIS NAME.), THE WATER BECAME FRESH.
Exod 17:6 I will be standing there in front of you on the rock in Horeb.
Strike the rock, and the water will flow from it for the people to drink.²
This Moses did, in the presence of the elders of Israel. 7 The place was
called Massah and Meribah, because the Israelites quarreled there and tested
the LORD, saying, ³Is the LORD in our midst or not?²
---->³Is the LORD in our midst or not?² John 18:38 Pilate said to him,
³What is truth?² <------
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User: "Mary Branham"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 06 Nov 2003 09:14:41 AM
well, it was a mistake for the name calling, but we're all human flesh, and
mistakes will be made.....
But Augustine was NOT the greatest theologian in the history of anything,
I'm sorry to say - have you checked out his comment on women lately? or on
sexual relations? even in marriage?
and check it out, dear - the Catholic Church is not THE CHURCH that Jesus
came to establish...... for HIS Church is the body of BELIEVERS - wherever
they are. it's not secluded to just one denomination. His people are
everywhere - whoever calls on - what? - THE NAME.
Check out the historical roots of the Catholic Church - it's a blend of
pagan and Christian beliefs, so that Constantine could keep the peoples of
his time happy.....
Paganism, m'dear, is at the heart of most of how the Catholic Church
operates and conducts itself.
Study it. Dig in, and see the stuff no one in the hierarchy of the "church"
wants you to see. Don't take anyone's word for it - see it for yourself.
Your soul is worth at least that much, isn't it?
Mary Branham
also a Oneness Pentacostal
"Teresita" <teresita@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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In article <hmnbqvg1tcbdt8pncvp61fc0a17l5rvf0s@4ax.com>, Pastor Winter

JNAHC

says...


Teresita <teresita@newsguy.com> spake thusly and wrote:

"Baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost

has Christ for its authority, not any man, whoever he may be; and Christ is
the
truth, not any man" (Augustine, On Baptism, Against the Donatists 4:24 [57]
[A.D. 400]).

So? False-christian scum quoting other false-christian scum to
explain why they don't obey the Bible? Great proof!!!

There you have it, folks. Stebie Winter calling the greatest theologian

in the

history of the Church, St. Augustine, false Christian scum. But Augustine

is

correct. From Christ's mouth we have the trinitarian baptism formula.

P.S. Make sure you don't take a man's word (Augustine's) over Christ's, as
found in Scripture.

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User: "Teresita"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 06 Nov 2003 10:17:54 AM
In article <Bztqb.12565$Oo4.10807@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Mary
Branham says...

Augustine was NOT the greatest theologian in the history of anything,
I'm sorry to say - have you checked out his comment on women lately? or on
sexual relations? even in marriage?

I didn't say Augustine was the world's greatest feminist, or sex therapist, or
marriage counselor.
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User: "Teresita"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 06 Nov 2003 10:05:38 AM
In article <Bztqb.12565$Oo4.10807@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Mary
Branham says...

and check it out, dear - the Catholic Church is not THE CHURCH that Jesus
came to establish...... for HIS Church is the body of BELIEVERS - wherever
they are. it's not secluded to just one denomination. His people are
everywhere - whoever calls on - what? - THE NAME.

Many people say "Lord, Lord" but do not do the will of our Father in Heaven.
In the Gospel of St. John, Chapter 17, just after the celebration of the first
Eucharistic Sacrifice but before His passion and death, our Lord and Savior,
Jesus Christ, prayed with His apostles that all those who come to believe in Him
would be united as He and the Father are united. Therefore it is the will of
the Father that Christians be united. Protestants, however, went out from us
because they do not conform with the will of the Father but do their own will.
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User: "Raymond"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 07 Nov 2003 06:00:33 AM
"Teresita" <teresita@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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In article <Bztqb.12565$Oo4.10807@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Mary
Branham says...

and check it out, dear - the Catholic Church is not THE CHURCH that Jesus
came to establish...... for HIS Church is the body of BELIEVERS -

wherever

they are. it's not secluded to just one denomination. His people are
everywhere - whoever calls on - what? - THE NAME.


Many people say "Lord, Lord" but do not do the will of our Father in

Heaven.

In the Gospel of St. John, Chapter 17, just after the celebration of the

first

Eucharistic Sacrifice but before His passion and death, our Lord and

Savior,

Jesus Christ, prayed with His apostles that all those who come to believe

in Him

would be united as He and the Father are united. Therefore it is the will

of

the Father that Christians be united. Protestants, however, went out from

us

because they do not conform with the will of the Father but do their own

will.
More like they left the sinfulness of the RCC and the pagan teachings to
seek the Will of the Father. It is not the Will of God to be united with
such sinful and ungodly teachings that the RCC has let in, such as the Mary
worship, praying to the saints when Jesus is the only way to the Father,
Jesus said so.
Raymond


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User: "Teresita"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 07 Nov 2003 09:21:20 AM
In article <bog25s$nig3@rain.i-cable.com>, Raymond"
<rwknapp[-no-scam]@hotmail.com> says...


It is not the Will of God to be united with
such sinful and ungodly teachings that the RCC has let in, such as the Mary
worship

The Church is very strict about the fact that latria, adoration—what
contemporary English speakers call "worship"—is to be given only to God.

praying to the saints when Jesus is the only way to the Father,

In Revelation we read "the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each
holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of
the saints" (Rev. 5:8). Therefore the saints in heaven offer to God the prayers
of the saints on earth.
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User: "Raymond"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 07 Nov 2003 08:00:28 PM
"Teresita" <teresita@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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In article <bog25s$nig3@rain.i-cable.com>, Raymond"
<rwknapp[-no-scam]@hotmail.com> says...


It is not the Will of God to be united with
such sinful and ungodly teachings that the RCC has let in, such as the

Mary

worship


The Church is very strict about the fact that latria, adoration-what
contemporary English speakers call "worship"-is to be given only to God.

The fact is no matter what was the rules of the Church, Mary worship has
been since the early Church and they have had debates and arguments about
this, and some are still in the Mary Cult. When one talks to a image,
touches that image, holds that image, and cries with that image, prays to
the person the image is suppose to be, it is worship, as that is what
worship is, so in reality they are even against your own church strict
rules. In other words it is sinful to give such devotion to another that is
not God. Just because another name is used, doesn't change what it is.


praying to the saints when Jesus is the only way to the Father,


In Revelation we read "the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb,

each

holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the

prayers of

the saints" (Rev. 5:8). Therefore the saints in heaven offer to God the

prayers

of the saints on earth.

Then those elders were not on earth at that time they were in HEAVEN and in
Heaven where the Lamb is, it is fine. Note they did not fall down to anyone
but the Lamb that is JESUS, and they prayed to JESUS the LAMB of GOD. Not
another. There is nothing about earth in this verse, people in heaven
worshiping the LAMB in Heaven, only shows, only Jesus is suppose to receive
such, not saints, not images, and not Mary or anyone one else. The saints
here were all in Heaven. Also since you bring in the Catholic teachings on
who is a saint, they are not saints by the teachings even of the POPE till
they are dead, and in Heaven to start with. Just look at Mother Teresa, she
had to be dead before she is made a Saint, people can call people saints in
because of their actions on earth, but they are not, till the Church makes
them such, according to the doctrine you seem to hold. So again in Rev 5:8
you have people in Heaven falling down before the Lamb in Heaven, and music
to the Lamb in Heaven, and receiving the prayers from the saints in Heaven.
You should not add to what the bible says, just to make it look like it
agrees with you. The doctrine of the Catholic Church is as you put it very
strict about these things. I will stand by what I did say, as I sure the
Catholic doctrine would agree, only the members that do not know the truth
or the way to God, being blinded by traditions of men and the church, do
what they feel they must, and hope God will forgiven them if they are wrong.
Raymond
www.pioneers-for-Jesus.org


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User: "Teresita"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 08 Nov 2003 09:16:11 AM
In article <bohn0t$rjv1@rain.i-cable.com>, Raymond"
<rwknapp[-no-scam]@hotmail.com> says...

The Church is very strict about the fact that latria, adoration-what
contemporary English speakers call "worship"-is to be given only to God.


The fact is no matter what was the rules of the Church, Mary worship has
been since the early Church and they have had debates and arguments about
this, and some are still in the Mary Cult.

One reason the Catholic Church uses Latin for official documents is that Latin
is a "dead language" that doesn't shift in meaning over the centuries. In
Latin, it is quite clear that latria is reserved for the Holy Trinity,
hyperdulia is reserved for the Mother of God, and dulia for the other Saints.
Jesus does not forbid giving honor and veneration to the saints:
Matt.10:[42] "And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a
cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he
shall in no wise lose his reward."
Mary was the first disciple and the saints were later disciples.
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User: "Raymond"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 09 Nov 2003 01:10:59 AM
"Teresita" <teresita@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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In article <bohn0t$rjv1@rain.i-cable.com>, Raymond"
<rwknapp[-no-scam]@hotmail.com> says...

The Church is very strict about the fact that latria, adoration-what
contemporary English speakers call "worship"-is to be given only to

God.


The fact is no matter what was the rules of the Church, Mary worship has
been since the early Church and they have had debates and arguments about
this, and some are still in the Mary Cult.


One reason the Catholic Church uses Latin for official documents is that

Latin

is a "dead language" that doesn't shift in meaning over the centuries. In
Latin, it is quite clear that latria is reserved for the Holy Trinity,
hyperdulia is reserved for the Mother of God, and dulia for the other

Saints.

Jesus does not forbid giving honor and veneration to the saints:

I have no problem with that, only Latin is not understood by the common
people, so we end up with such doctorines as Mary worship that the Church
historianes also knew was a problem. Mary is not was not and can not be the
Mother of God, God my be seen by the weak in mind as Her Husband, then it
was not the Father but the Holy Spirit that gave her a child, who became the
Saviour both God and man. Mary was the mother of Jesus "the man Christ
Jesus" impossiable to be the Mother of the Creator whom Jesus is also in the
Spirit. Such terms only confuse and bring in such worship to Her, and takes
it away from Christ whom it does belong to. Jesus never aproved of anyone
venerating saints that are no longer alive on earth, the bible condemns
praying to the dead, or them gone on. Jesus is alive, and did resurrect
from the dead. So in fact it doesn't matter what the "dead language" said,
it is what is understood by the living that matters.


Matt.10:[42] "And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little

ones a

cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you,

he

shall in no wise lose his reward.

Mary was the first disciple and the saints were later disciples.

Jesus said that and what do you feel is that "reward"? To pray to Mary? To
disobey Jesus is not going to get one to heaven and they will not have a
reward because they add to Jesus others, that never died on the Cross and
only Jesus's blood can forgive sin. One is only to pray to Him, God, the
Spirit of God, never to saints or them that died.
John 14:5-21
5 Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can
we know the way?"
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to
the Father except through Me.
7 The Father Revealed "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father
also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him."
8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for
us."
9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not
known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you
say, 'Show us the Father'?
10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The
words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father
who dwells in Me does the works.
11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe
Me for the sake of the works themselves.
12 The Answered Prayer "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me,
the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will
do, because I go to My Father.
13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be
glorified in the Son.
14 If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.
15 Jesus Promises Another Helper "If you love Me, keep My commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He
may abide with you forever -
17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither
sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be
in you.
18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
19 Indwelling of the Father and the Son "A little while longer and the world
will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live
also.
20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in
you.
21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he
who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest
Myself to him." NKJV
In Jesus,
Raymond Knapp
http://www.pioneers-for-jesus.org/Pioneers_for_Jesus/newsletters/2003/sept-2003.htm


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User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 27 Jul 2004 09:26:46 PM
Raymond,
Have you ever gone to the grave or urn, of a loved one, and talk to him /
her ?
I am not a Roman Catholic (we are all members of the *Universal Church* thus
"Catholics" in that sense), but I have talked to the "Saints" whome I
personally knew, my grandparents, and my once earthly father, and have
experience the knowledge that they have discussed my words to them with
Christ, I know they are my angels watching over me. What is the difference
between this, and what the Roman Catholics do ? I really don't see one.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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"Teresita" <teresita@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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In article <bog25s$nig3@rain.i-cable.com>, Raymond"
<rwknapp[-no-scam]@hotmail.com> says...


It is not the Will of God to be united with
such sinful and ungodly teachings that the RCC has let in, such as the

Mary

worship


The Church is very strict about the fact that latria, adoration-what
contemporary English speakers call "worship"-is to be given only to God.


The fact is no matter what was the rules of the Church, Mary worship has
been since the early Church and they have had debates and arguments about
this, and some are still in the Mary Cult. When one talks to a image,
touches that image, holds that image, and cries with that image, prays to
the person the image is suppose to be, it is worship, as that is what
worship is, so in reality they are even against your own church strict
rules. In other words it is sinful to give such devotion to another that

is

not God. Just because another name is used, doesn't change what it is.


praying to the saints when Jesus is the only way to the Father,


In Revelation we read "the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb,

each

holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the

prayers of

the saints" (Rev. 5:8). Therefore the saints in heaven offer to God the

prayers

of the saints on earth.


Then those elders were not on earth at that time they were in HEAVEN and

in

Heaven where the Lamb is, it is fine. Note they did not fall down to

anyone

but the Lamb that is JESUS, and they prayed to JESUS the LAMB of GOD. Not
another. There is nothing about earth in this verse, people in heaven
worshiping the LAMB in Heaven, only shows, only Jesus is suppose to

receive

such, not saints, not images, and not Mary or anyone one else. The saints
here were all in Heaven. Also since you bring in the Catholic teachings

on

who is a saint, they are not saints by the teachings even of the POPE till
they are dead, and in Heaven to start with. Just look at Mother Teresa,

she

had to be dead before she is made a Saint, people can call people saints

in

because of their actions on earth, but they are not, till the Church makes
them such, according to the doctrine you seem to hold. So again in Rev

5:8

you have people in Heaven falling down before the Lamb in Heaven, and

music

to the Lamb in Heaven, and receiving the prayers from the saints in

Heaven.

You should not add to what the bible says, just to make it look like it
agrees with you. The doctrine of the Catholic Church is as you put it

very

strict about these things. I will stand by what I did say, as I sure the
Catholic doctrine would agree, only the members that do not know the truth
or the way to God, being blinded by traditions of men and the church, do
what they feel they must, and hope God will forgiven them if they are

wrong.


Raymond
www.pioneers-for-Jesus.org



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User: "Rico"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 28 Jul 2004 09:49:05 AM
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:10ge3muerca5acc@corp.supernews.com...

Raymond,

Have you ever gone to the grave or urn, of a loved one, and talk to him /
her ?
I am not a Roman Catholic (we are all members of the *Universal Church*

thus

"Catholics" in that sense), but I have talked to the "Saints" whome I
personally knew, my grandparents, and my once earthly father, and have
experience the knowledge that they have discussed my words to them with
Christ, I know they are my angels watching over me. What is the difference
between this, and what the Roman Catholics do ? I really don't see one.

The Roman Catholics pray to their saints, and believe that they (the saints
or beatified persons) then 'went' to The Father and repeated the prayer. If
you've just gone to your earthly fathers 'final resting place' (his grave,
urn or the place where you scattered his ashes) said what is on your mind
and then prayed to God yourself, that is different. If you have gone to his
'resting place' and spoke to him with the expectation that he would go to
The Father then that is the same as if you were praying to him in the way
that the Roman Catholics pray to the saints.
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User: "Pastor Winter JNAHC"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 29 Jul 2004 12:00:04 PM
"Rico" <hoganrj@bigpond.net.au.au> spake thusly and wrote:


The Roman Catholics pray to their saints, and believe that they (the saints
or beatified persons) then 'went' to The Father and repeated the prayer.

How would that be different from praying to the Roman Catholic
invented trinity?
A lot of people attack "MYSTERY BABYLON" for her devilishness
while they worship the same trinity that the pope does.
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User: "Bootstrap Bill"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 29 Jul 2004 12:07:34 PM
"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steveNONO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
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A lot of people attack "MYSTERY BABYLON" for her devilishness
while they worship the same trinity that the pope does.

What do you expect from a guy who wears a fish head and sodomizes children?
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User: "Rico"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 30 Jul 2004 07:40:47 AM
All of Christiandom recognises The Trinity as One God, therefore we pray to
the one God (to The Father, in the name of The Son, by inspiration of The
Spirit). When a Roman Catholic says their Hail Mary's, they are speaking
those prayers directly to 'the holy mother'. Same when they pray to a
saint, they expect their saints will go to The Father with the prayer and
intercede on their behalf in the spiritual realm.
"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steveNONO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
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"Rico" <hoganrj@bigpond.net.au.au> spake thusly and wrote:


The Roman Catholics pray to their saints, and believe that they (the

saints

or beatified persons) then 'went' to The Father and repeated the prayer.


How would that be different from praying to the Roman Catholic
invented trinity?

A lot of people attack "MYSTERY BABYLON" for her devilishness
while they worship the same trinity that the pope does.


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User: "Terrell D Lewis"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 30 Jul 2004 11:09:20 AM
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:40:47 GMT, "Rico" <hoganrj@bigpond.net.au.au>
wrote:

All of Christiandom recognises The Trinity as One God, therefore we pray to
the one God (to The Father, in the name of The Son, by inspiration of The
Spirit). When a Roman Catholic says their Hail Mary's, they are speaking
those prayers directly to 'the holy mother'. Same when they pray to a
saint, they expect their saints will go to The Father with the prayer and
intercede on their behalf in the spiritual realm.

Speak for yourself, ALL christiandom does not accept the trinity
doctrine.

"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steveNONO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
news:k5big0heujeejrgr4uvjdctha0fpr7cctp@4ax.com...

"Rico" <hoganrj@bigpond.net.au.au> spake thusly and wrote:


The Roman Catholics pray to their saints, and believe that they (the

saints

or beatified persons) then 'went' to The Father and repeated the prayer.


How would that be different from praying to the Roman Catholic
invented trinity?

A lot of people attack "MYSTERY BABYLON" for her devilishness
while they worship the same trinity that the pope does.


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Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?


Terrell
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User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 08 Aug 2004 04:48:17 PM
AMEN !!!
"Terrell D Lewis" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:40:47 GMT, "Rico" <hoganrj@bigpond.net.au.au>
wrote:

All of Christiandom recognises The Trinity as One God, therefore we pray

to

the one God (to The Father, in the name of The Son, by inspiration of The
Spirit). When a Roman Catholic says their Hail Mary's, they are speaking
those prayers directly to 'the holy mother'. Same when they pray to a
saint, they expect their saints will go to The Father with the prayer and
intercede on their behalf in the spiritual realm.


Speak for yourself, ALL christiandom does not accept the trinity
doctrine.


"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steveNONO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
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"Rico" <hoganrj@bigpond.net.au.au> spake thusly and wrote:


The Roman Catholics pray to their saints, and believe that they (the

saints

or beatified persons) then 'went' to The Father and repeated the

prayer.


How would that be different from praying to the Roman Catholic
invented trinity?

A lot of people attack "MYSTERY BABYLON" for her devilishness
while they worship the same trinity that the pope does.


--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?



Terrell

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User: "Cindy"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 08 Aug 2004 07:47:35 PM
Love the Pope, hate the Pystic!
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:10hd7ssnf0h9h3a@corp.supernews.com...

AMEN !!!

"Terrell D Lewis" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jjskg09ohtk3hnpu7bn09fgalccoia6d5l@4ax.com...

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:40:47 GMT, "Rico" <hoganrj@bigpond.net.au.au>
wrote:

All of Christiandom recognises The Trinity as One God, therefore we
pray

to

the one God (to The Father, in the name of The Son, by inspiration of
The
Spirit). When a Roman Catholic says their Hail Mary's, they are
speaking
those prayers directly to 'the holy mother'. Same when they pray to a
saint, they expect their saints will go to The Father with the prayer
and
intercede on their behalf in the spiritual realm.


Speak for yourself, ALL christiandom does not accept the trinity
doctrine.


"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steveNONO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
news:k5big0heujeejrgr4uvjdctha0fpr7cctp@4ax.com...

"Rico" <hoganrj@bigpond.net.au.au> spake thusly and wrote:


The Roman Catholics pray to their saints, and believe that they (the

saints

or beatified persons) then 'went' to The Father and repeated the

prayer.


How would that be different from praying to the Roman Catholic
invented trinity?

A lot of people attack "MYSTERY BABYLON" for her devilishness
while they worship the same trinity that the pope does.


--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?



Terrell



.
User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"

Title: Re: WHOOPS NOT BAPTISM! 09 Aug 2004 03:59:09 PM
Greek to me :-)
"Cindy" <cindy@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:HQzRc.271495$XM6.7716@attbi_s53...

Love the Pope, hate the Pystic!

"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:10hd7ssnf0h9h3a@corp.supernews.com...

AMEN !!!

"Terrell D Lewis" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jjskg09ohtk3hnpu7bn09fgalccoia6d5l@4ax.com...

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:40:47 GMT, "Rico" <hoganrj@bigpond.net.au.au>
wrote:

All of Christiandom recognises The Trinity as One God, therefore we
pray

to

the one God (to The Father, in the name of The Son, by inspiration of
The
Spirit). When a Roman Catholic says their Hail Mary's, they are
speaking
those prayers directly to 'the holy mother'. Same when they pray to a
saint, they expect their saints will go to The Father with the prayer
and
intercede on their behalf in the spiritual realm.


Speak for yourself, ALL christiandom does not accept the trinity
doctrine.


"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steveNONO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
news:k5big0heujeejrgr4uvjdctha0fpr7cctp@4ax.com...

"Rico" <hoganrj@bigpond.net.au.au> spake thusly and wrote:


The Roman Catholics pray to their saints, and believe that they

(the

saints

or beatified persons) then 'went' to The Father and repeated the

prayer.


How would that be different from praying to the Roman Catholic
invented trinity?

A lot of people attack "MYSTERY BABYLON" for her devilishness
while they worship the same trinity that the pope does.


--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?



Terrell





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