** Reply to note from John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> 15 Sep 2003 13:22:02 GMT
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Posted twice to permit jw's crossposting.
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:08:36 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In alt.talk.creationism, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in
<5vc2mvcnore6b6n68orjgdv1t7137bfesd@4ax.com>:
On 11 Sep 2003 10:04:50 -0700,
(Ochtas) wrote:
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Well, then you are a heretic
No, I am not. AGAIN, you / I cannot put God in a box. My definition
But you are, if you had seminary training then you would know about the
Herbraic pantheon, includibng its goddessess. If you had qualified instructors
that is. You would also know that from Yaweh on, there was only one godhead,
& it was not shared.
But then, you don't want to hear the truth, for it conflicts with your fantasy &
you would not be able to stand on the right hand side of god & watch your
percieved enimies suffer. You don't even realise the falseness in your concept
of standing to the right of your bogey.
mathematically of God is:
Negative numbers for zero*zero+zero. But you should know that, what with the
education you don't show but claim.
God = Father = Son = Holy Spirit
Hum, no. You are claiming that your concept is correct to begin with,
historicly it is not. So you are simply shooting off your mouth making much
ado over less than nothing.
And I an justify that statement with any verse that mentions God.
No you can't, for you know nothing, or even less than nothing about your
mytology & its gods. You've demonstrated that enough times already.
You don't even know where the Hebrew are from, hint, it is not Ur.
The Trinity IS One God.
Now, If you were refering to Brahma, or Badh, Erin or Eriu, I would agree,
but you are not. You are claiming the gods of Israel are a trinity, when they
are not.
AGAIN, you misunderstand "Trinity". It merely means "3 names" "3
titles" (I can count more than 3 titles for God!)
No, trinity means three, not three in one, not three aspects, but three. Normally
associated with ambigious concepts, such as gods, goddessesss, demons, etc.
But it simply means three similar items, not identical. That is another stolen
word abused by the xian mythology.
"3 Qualities" (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), yet one Essence, one
Deity.
Nope, it started with el, then el was stolen from Canaan & evolved through
many versions from many localities until yaweh mooned moses. Then it started
becoming as monthjeistic religion. What you are claiminng is blasphemy to the
followers of yaweh, supposedly your prime god form. As late as 545
BCE[Gregorian], the goddesses were still in the Irsaelite pantheon. So, no, you
do not have three stud ducks in one as you are claiming.
.. God is clearly defined by Christianity as
one.
I have not said otherwise, and you don't understand "Holy Trinity" as
well as you claim to.
& no one understands it as well as you? You don't even understand the
concept or its mythpological roots, & you squeal to one & all that you
have a clue.
Please read your Athanasian Creed or even the Nicene Creed.
No need to, the real world recorded the concepts of early xianity, &
your trinitys evolution. If I were as stupid as you think everyone else is
compared to you, I still wouldn't follow your demands. I can read & research
for myself & don't see any need of believing snake oil merchants.
I need not read men's creeds; I read the Bible, and I am MUCH more
clear on the issue than you seem to be.
You are as clear as a glass of delta mud, & twice as toxic. You don't have a
clue & are to proud to ask those that obviously do how it goes. You are
proud of your willfull ignorance & have demonstarted a wish to drag others
down to your level.
The three appear in the 1st chapter of John, 2 Colossians,
Hebrews 1 and REvelation.
But the Hebrew version of God NEVER EVER EVER (!!!) says God is
three-in-one.
It doesn't say "three in one", yet it mentions 3 REPEATEDLY.
Never does, for that would be blasphemy.
I didn't say that. I said that we find the Trinity all the way through
the Bible, from the Old Testament through the New. We find references
to the Father, we find references to the Spirit of God, and find
references to the Son. All in the Old Testament.
And in case you missed it, the Old Testament teaches that the Father
and the Holy Spirit are both invisible. Therefore, when we see God
appearing to men / prophets in the Old Testament, that appearance of
God in visible form by definition is the Son.
Bull, The Hebrew verion of the OT has people talking to god face to face,
& at least 70 elders visiting god. & mose's must not have recieved [he
didn't but that is another discussion] big 10 for your god is claimed to
have mooned him in the process at least once.
You still haven't explained why Christians 'discovered' this teaching in
the scriptures of a religion that was _adamently_ monotheist.
Because they are special. Misinformed, arrogant & wrong, but special. At least
in john w's case that is accurate.
I have explained; you have not understood.
You have claimed, you have never explained for you lack the knowledge
to do that.
So we find the entire Trinity in the Old Testament, the Father here,
the Holy Spirit there, the Son somewhere else.
You grasp at straws.
You don't understand the things of God; nor do you wish to. You merely
wish to "box with God", debate the issues; I have repeatedly said, "I
do not debate."
& you are right, you simply shout & do the special pleading thing while slinging
out assertions.
"Your arm's too short to box with God!"
Any god willing to accept your service? Hum, imagine that, who would want to box
with a god that accepts the likes of you to start with. Most gods expected
their worshippers to be responsible for themselves & not come running to them
for forgiveness, they expected that to be asked of the ones you had wronged.
The Hebrew accounts of "god" concur exactly with the
surahs of the Koran, stating that God is One. ...Except for some names
used to refer to god - like Elohim, which is plural.
snip lack of coherent answer, just mind numbing droning repitition.
walskalone who has no reason to believe john w attended any seminary, but
he does know how to drop the names of apologetics.
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