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"Pastor Winter JNAHC" |
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16 Jan 2005 11:23:07 PM |
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Re: why be like the fools? |
I am really surprised that the devilish Jim Sutton would choose a
title like that. What does the Bible call all like Jim Sutton
who trust in the feelings of their heart above the clear
teachings and commandments of the Bible?
Let's look and see for ourselves:
Proverbs 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool:
but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
What does God call Jim Sutton and anyone else he can convince to
put their feelings and comfort in their false churches above the
Word of God?
Please remember that every post from Jim Sutton is for the
ultimate purpose of deceiving you into a comfortable disobedience
of the Bible and the doctrines of devils his false-christian cult
teaches.
Folks, these devilish false-preachers are NOT your friend!
Interesting the false-christian fables that the false preachers
like Jim Sutton will use to deceive souls into hell. Satan
doesn't care how many good deeds you do or visions you have just
as long as you don't obey the Gospel by repenting, getting
baptised in Jesus Name and receiving the Holy Ghost with the
evidence of speaking in other tongues.
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure
sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to
themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall
be turned unto fables.
Satan has a lot of false preachers like Jim Sutton working for
him and teaching sugar coated fables.
If you want to read about true salvation, you won't get that from
Satan's filth like Jim Sutton. Read for yourself at
http://www.onenesschristian.org and see if your religion really
matches up with the Christianity of the Bible.
Let any true, faithful, holy, Oneness Christians reading here
join with me in obedience to Gal 1:8 regarding the lying deceiver
Jim Sutton AND his filthy preachers. Why would you think Gal 1:8
was somehow a commandment that you can simply ignore?
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "John Fraser" |
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17 Jan 2005 06:48:32 AM |
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Good morning Steve;
"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steveNONO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
news:1105939162.734d06add801556e53644e00ce182978@teranews...
I am really surprised that the devilish Jim Sutton would choose a
title like that. What does the Bible call all like Jim Sutton
who trust in the feelings of their heart above the clear
teachings and commandments of the Bible?
What exactly did you disagree with?
Let's look and see for ourselves:
Proverbs 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool:
but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
In Jesus Christ, we have truth, forgiveness of sin, and eternal life.
The words of Mr. Sutton are a calling to those who are paying attention, not
a condemnation of those who are not.
What does God call Jim Sutton and anyone else he can convince to
put their feelings and comfort in their false churches above the
Word of God?
Stop playing your games of fantasy.
Please remember that every post from Jim Sutton is for the
ultimate purpose of deceiving you into a comfortable disobedience
of the Bible and the doctrines of devils his false-christian cult
teaches.
Why should we listen to a person who pastors an underground church when he
lives in a land that promotes the freedom of religion?
Folks, these devilish false-preachers are NOT your friend!
Folks, Mr. Winter pastors an underground alternative church. He founded
this church because while he wouldn't abide under the leadership of his
previous church, he had no intentions of remaining as a good role model
either. Now he sits and pontificates about the perceived sins of others
while his church is off limits to the public so nobody can point fingers at
him.
Pastor Winter does want you to put on Christ, but he wants you to do it
through him. He wants to be in charge of your spiritual welfare. He wants
to be patted on the back, lauded for his gifted leadership, etc. His darker
side reveals him to be an arrogant, insecure toddler who may try to hurt
you. Sadly, that's the truth.
Cheers,
John
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21 Jan 2005 11:01:53 AM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:48:32 GMT, "John Fraser"
<jfraser@ns.sympatico.ca> done went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these
here little old Usenet News'FROUPS:
Good morning to you, John Fraser :O)
Folks, Mr. Winter pastors an underground alternative church. He founded
this church because while he wouldn't abide under the leadership of his
previous church, he had no intentions of remaining as a good role model
either. Now he sits and pontificates about the perceived sins of others
while his church is off limits to the public so nobody can point fingers at
him.
Pastor Winter does want you to put on Christ, but he wants you to do it
through him. He wants to be in charge of your spiritual welfare. He wants
to be patted on the back, lauded for his gifted leadership, etc. His darker
side reveals him to be an arrogant, insecure toddler who may try to hurt
you. Sadly, that's the truth.
Cheers,
John
It's those poor little beanie-babies he has glued to the three chairs
he calls 'pews' that I feel sorry for- poor little things -- what did
they do to deserve an eternity of listening to that old barnacle howl?
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JESUS IS THE ROCK
God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called
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| User: "John Fraser" |
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21 Jan 2005 12:17:55 PM |
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Good afternoon Elaine;
<romath@romath.net> wrote in message
news:49d2v01tfep6lv28pp8t6hl72mj09uhaod@4ax.com...
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:48:32 GMT, "John Fraser"
<jfraser@ns.sympatico.ca> done went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these
here little old Usenet News'FROUPS:
Good morning to you, John Fraser :O)
Folks, Mr. Winter pastors an underground alternative church. He
founded
this church because while he wouldn't abide under the leadership of his
previous church, he had no intentions of remaining as a good role model
either. Now he sits and pontificates about the perceived sins of others
while his church is off limits to the public so nobody can point fingers
at
him.
Pastor Winter does want you to put on Christ, but he wants you to do
it
through him. He wants to be in charge of your spiritual welfare. He
wants
to be patted on the back, lauded for his gifted leadership, etc. His
darker
side reveals him to be an arrogant, insecure toddler who may try to hurt
you. Sadly, that's the truth.
Cheers,
John
It's those poor little beanie-babies he has glued to the three chairs
he calls 'pews' that I feel sorry for- poor little things -- what did
they do to deserve an eternity of listening to that old barnacle howl?
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JESUS IS THE ROCK
God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called
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If not, then he's literally preaching to the choir. :) One positive
note when can be attributed to stuffed animals is that they don't rebel, so
there is no one to disagree with him. Conversely, there is no one to lead.
Seriously, his leadership style can be evaluated in part from his website,
his sermons, and his Usenet behaviour. He can run his church in nearly any
manner he deems fitting. While a number of people have poked fun at, I
believe he would be challenged in his efforts to find the regulars guilty of
wanting to destroy either his church or his ministry. From what I can tell,
nobody wants anything to do with him and generally avoid him until Mr.
Winter calls them on his pet peeves.
Cheers,
John
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| User: "Pastor Winter JNAHC" |
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| Title: Re: why be like the fools? |
21 Jan 2005 11:47:27 AM |
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So far the false-christian dirt Merle Elaine Matthews always
changes the subject when she is asked what the difference is
between the trinity that she worships and the trinity that the
pope worships.
In what way is Merle's three headed Roman idol god squad
different from the popes three headed Roman idol god squad?
In what way is Merle's trinity cult baptism different
than the pope's trinity cult baptism?
Merle Elaine Matthews is merely "Catholic lite"<tm> railing
at her spiritual mama.
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "The official Usenet GHOST! BOOOOOOOOOO!" |
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21 Jan 2005 10:10:21 PM |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:47:27 -0500, Pastor Winter JNAHC
<steveNONO-SPAM@prime.org> sez the following funny stuff:
repetitious garbage bagged, tagged and tossed to the curb in GLAD bags
!!
And BTW, old boy:
alt.religion.christian.calvary-chapel,
alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,
alt.bible,alt.bible.prophecy,
alt.religion.christian.baptist
corrected.
And havr you apologized to your son yet?
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| User: "Pastor Winter JNAHC" |
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21 Jan 2005 11:36:23 PM |
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The official Usenet GHOST! BOOOOOOOOOO! <user@someplace.net>
spake thusly and wrote:
repetitious garbage bagged, tagged and tossed to the curb in GLAD bags
Like I was saying....
So far the false-christian dirt Merle Elaine Matthews always
changes the subject when she is asked what the difference is
between the trinity that she worships and the trinity that the
pope worships.
In what way is Merle's three headed Roman idol god squad
different from the popes three headed Roman idol god squad?
In what way is Merle's trinity cult baptism different
than the pope's trinity cult baptism?
Merle Elaine Matthews is merely "Catholic lite"<tm> railing
at her spiritual mama.
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "Jim" |
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24 Jan 2005 08:57:39 AM |
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Home-grown churches -- an interesting phenomenon in today's church.
Why some Christians never leave home to go to church
By Craig Bird
(for www.faithworks.com)
"Let's get together at My house this Sunday before the game." - God
Remember that billboard? Good advice. Bad directions. After all, who knows
where God's house is?
But for most people, there was no need for directions. "God's house" equates
to a church, which usually means a building with a steeple, parking lot,
denominational identity, preacher and order of service.
Not for a growing segment of believers who "go" to church by staying home.
They shove the couch back, bring the kitchen chairs into the den, and answer
the doorbell. Or perhaps they travel to a friend's house where the furniture
has been similarly rearranged so a small group of people can gather to
worship.
Generally known as house churches, they intentionally change the emphasis --
and the grammar -- of church. These Christians don't go to church, they do
church as they go.
"Members of the body of Christ do not go to a place to be the church, but
rather they are the church wherever they go,"explains Bruce Wofford of
Ontario, a former missionary who now is part of the House Church Network.
House churches go by other names as well -- simple church, discovery group,
believer's church, body life, open church, New Testament church, home
fellowships, organic Christianity, small groups. But don't call them cell
groups! That's a vestige of the much-despised megachurch.
Slippery subject
The house-church movement is nothing new -- in fact the practice is
ancient -- but it has produced a flurry of activity in recent years.
How many people are involved in house churches? The answer is literally,
"God only knows." They prefer fellowship to filling out forms. Inherently
resistant to outside authority, house churchers limit their size to maintain
intimacy. They look upon the traditional church with at least skepticism and
often disgust. But they hold a special disdain for the marketing strategies
of the church-growth movement.
"It is impossible to (thoroughly) research house churches, not 'real' ones
anyway," advises Herb Drake of House Church Central. "They tend to be, at
least partially, underground. They don't apply to the IRS for tax-exempt
status. They don't advertise in newspapers or send out mass mailings. They
simply build relationships with people and attract them to Christ."
Though largely low-tech, house churches have discovered the Internet. A
Google search for "house church" returns more than 3 million hits. Those
websites that include directories yield addresses for approximately 2,000
house churches in the United States. Overseas numbers are even more
slippery -- but even more impressive. An estimated 80 million Chinese
Christians are involved in house churches.
The popularity of house churches, at least in the United States, stems from
their decentralized structure, the emphasis on in-depth relationships, the
priority of spiritual experience over rational argument, and an appeal to
"authentic first-century Christian worship."
For "post-congregationals," who for various reasons shun traditional
churches (FaithWorks, Sept.-Oct. 2002), house churches are often a
refreshing alternative.
"These are, for the most part, people who want to strip faith down to its
bare minimum," Nancy Ammerman of Hartford Seminary, one of America's leading
sociologists of religion, told The New York Times. "They don't want to have
to support a big building and staff and insurance policies and advertising
campaigns and fixing the roof, because all of that seems to them to be
extraneous to what they understand a life of faith to be."
'Pure chaos'
That appeal certainly hooked college student Ruthy Lipka, but only after
first repelling her. "As a teenager I rebelled against my
Pentecostal-preacher's-daughter upbringing and became obsessed with studying
different doctrines and denominations," she told FaithWorks. "I eventually
decided the Presbyterians had just the right doctrine so I had to go there.
I loved sitting in a pew. I loved singing hymns so that I could sound good.
I loved that big old organ up there. Life was pretty perfect as far as
churches were concerned."
Then a college friend invited her to a Brandon, Fla., home fellowship. "I
wore a dress but everyone else was in everyday clothes," she recalled. "Some
people actually wore -- dare I say it? -- shorts! I didn't quite like that.
.... People didn't ring the doorbell. They just barged in. And they weren't
quiet and proper when they did. They didn't ask 'How do you do?' but called
out 'Praise the Lord!' .
"I sat in a kitchen! Some people actually sat on the floor. ... There was no
preacher. That shocked me. One guy stood up after some songs and I thought
he was the preacher. Then someone else stood up. Then someone else. Then a
girl sang a song. Then some older man read a [Scripture] passage that had
ministered to him that week. Then a little 9-year-old girl shared what she
had seen in devotions with her mom that week. It was pure chaos! ...
"Not only was there no organ, but the one guy who had a guitar didn't even
play for most of the songs. And they didn't have it planned either. They'd
just finish a song and someone would shout out, 'Let's sing 'As the Deer.'
And they'd all bust out singing as if they'd practiced all morning."
That initial encounter unsettled her. "This isn't church," she told friends
later. "It was just a bunch of people coming together and sharing the Lord."
Almost four years later, she concedes, "Little did I know then that this is
exactly what the church is. The church is not an organization. It is an
organism. It is a living, breathing woman, the Bride of Christ. Christ is
the absolute dead center of our meetings -- not organ playing, not the
preacher, not a sermon, not Sunday school and not even any doctrine. We
share how we saw Christ during the week, each and every one of us."
House-church DNA
Lipka's description touches on the three primary threads of house-church
DNA -- limited size (typically no more than 20 people), non-professional
leadership, and no buildings.
House churchers also proclaim a common commitment, at least among the
evangelicals who make up the overwhelming number of such groups, to
replicate the first-century model of "meeting house to house."
Otherwise, variety is the order of the day.
"We are from almost every Christian background -- Catholic, Methodist,
Baptist, Pentecostal, Church of Christ -- [and] many others have never been
associated with any sect," writes Dan Beaty in "The Church: Triumphant in
Christ! "We agree on very little doctrine. Some believe baptism is necessary
for salvation, some don't. Some believe smoking is okay, some don't. Some
believe that drinking alcohol is okay, some don't. None believes that doing
something that harms his neighbor is okay."
"For many Christians, the house church is simply an extension of the
home-schooling principle," writes Mark Mattison of Open House Church. "Their
driving motivation is withdrawal from the world. For others, the house
church is a key to renewal and mission in the existing church. For yet
others, the house church is part of apostolic tradition and should be
considered normative on that basis. And for yet others, it is merely a rap
session, an outlet to express frustration over the institutional church. .
That's part of the diverse house-church dynamic!"
Other similarities and differences include:
-- The overwhelming majority of house-church members define themselves as
evangelical Christians. But a handful are accused of espousing a New Age
theology. Many more consider even Southern Baptists to be rank liberals.
Others teeter on the brink of cultism.
-- Most house churches declare unswerving commitment to a biblically based
theology. But interpretation can vary widely. For example, some house
churches require female members to remain silent, while others argue that
women are equal ministers. A few house churches are steadfastly "King James
only." One website (www.balaams-*****.com) offers extensive materials for
those who wish to start house churches, but only those committed to the KJV.
"Our creed is the King James Bible with no outside presuppositions
tolerated. If you live in a non-English speaking nation, and if you can
prove your Bible is based 100 percent on the Textus Receptus, we will work
with that. Better yet, learn English so you can study the KJV. :)"
-- Most house churches carefully distance themselves from traditional
congregations. But the degree of separation runs from those who condemn
traditional churches as pawns of Satan to those who send their children on
mission trips with church youth groups. Some even remain involved in
traditional churches while embracing the house-church fellowship.
Angry diatribes, personal attacks and even threats of lawsuits are far too
common in the house-church movement, where conviction runs deep and pain
from past church battles is chronic. Most of the conflict centers on what
critics say is the central failing of house churches: Who gives leadership
and enforces doctrinal discipline? After fleeing the traditional church,
with its propensity toward spirit-killing authoritarianism, how do you avoid
corrupting freedom with heresy?
Means or end?
Is the house church an effective way to spread the gospel? Or is the
movement best seen as an end in itself?
Without the need to train and pay professional clergy or build and maintain
buildings, house churches can free incredible financial resources to do
missions and take care of the needy, proponents say.
Seminary professor Alan Karr is a convert to the house-church-as-outreach
viewpoint. While teaching a class on church planting, he discovered among
his students an overwhelming interest in house churches. He took the hint.
"I've been a pastor of traditional churches for more than 20 years, but now
I'm a pastor in my own home on Saturday nights," said Karr, who teaches at
Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary.
Typically 30-to-35 people meet in Karr's living room. One member gives free
guitar lessons prior to the meeting. Baptisms may take place in a backyard
hot tub or a church borrowed for that purpose.
Already the group has spawned one new house church and three others will
spin out soon. That pattern of growth could continue indefinitely, says
Karr, who also participates in more traditional church plants.
"To keep things simple we are going to organize and register as a single
church -- the Ethene Church Network -- but each house group will function as
totally independent. All cooperation will be voluntary."
House-church networks are particularly popular as a church-planting strategy
among Gen-X Christians. The groups in the network usually come together to
celebrate worship and fellowship once a week or once a month.
Rick Bennett, a Baptist church planter among 20-somethings in Boston, uses a
house-church strategy out of necessity. The cost of meeting space in Boston
is prohibitive, he says.
In Austin, Texas, house churches have a British accent. Brits Tony and
Felicity Dale, both medical professionals, became involved in house churches
in a poor section of London three decades ago. Now in Central Texas, they
helped organize the Austin Fellowship of Home Churches, which has 15 member
groups after five years. In 2001 they launched House2House magazine, which
has a circulation of 30,000.
A rabbit plague
House-church purists, however, despise the church-planting movement -- along
with all other strategies that look like marketing of the church. The house
church is the end in itself, they say, not a means to an end or a "starter
church."
Still there is an emerging trend that bases evangelism squarely on the
house-church concept.
The Dawn International Network insists house churches are not only the best
way to spread Christianity but, practically speaking, the only way. The
umbrella organization's immodest goal is "to have at lease one Christian
congregation within walking distance of every human on earth." Sniffs one
house churcher, "They are to church planting what the Willow Creek
Association is to seeker services."
Wolfgang Simson, a German evangelical who is part of Dawn-Europe, makes the
case: "If you put two elephants in a room and two rabbits in [another] room,
in three years you will have three elephants and 476 million rabbits.
Wonderful things happen in elephant-type churches. But with all of these
elephant churches around, it's time for a rabbit plague."
In his popular book, Houses That Change the World, Simson argues: "It is
time to change the system. Luther did reform the content of the gospel, but
left the outer forms of church remarkably untouched. The Free-Church freed
the system from the state, the Baptists then baptized it, the Quakers
dry-cleaned it, the Salvation Army put it into a uniform, the Pentecostals
anointed it and the Charismatics renewed it. But until today nobody has
really changed the superstructure. It is about time to do just that. .
"The church has to become small in order to grow big. The traditional
congregational church as we know it is, statistically speaking, neither big
nor beautiful, but rather a sad compromise -- an overgrown house-church and
an undergrown [worship] celebration, often missing the dynamics of both."
Beyond fault-finding
Dan Beaty of www.livingtruth.com is a little more charitable in his
assessment.
"Having church in the home, of course, does not automatically fix everything
[that is wrong with the traditional church]. We [house churchers] must
maintain a healthy, affirming spirit towards all of God's people and his
work in other environments. .
"God is at work in the institutional church. He is saving people, teaching
them, building up his body . all [in a] place we deem to be a less than an
ideal setting. Satan would love to keep us home-church folk busy with fault
finding. We will never run out of problems to expose in the institutional
church -- and even in those who home church but not like us.
"Let us be about our Father's business and leave his purpose for others in
the various churches and denominations up to him."
- Craig Bird is a free-lance writer in San Antonio, Texas.
(ccraigabird-AT-cs.com)
FYI:
To see the list of resources Craig used in his article about house churches,
visit the following webpage and scroll down to the bottom.
http://www.faithworks.com/archives/homegrown_churches.htm
read more articles like this at:
http://www.faithworks.com/index.htm
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| User: "Chris Ajua" |
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20 Feb 2005 07:44:51 PM |
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Question 1: Regarding the birth date of Jesus according to this
research: How long did it take from the time the Magi first saw the Star
od David until they arrived in Bethlehem?
Question 2: How long does this conjunction of the Star of David last?
That is, at what point during the "duration" of the conjunction does the
birth of Jesus take place?
How old was Jesus when the Magi arrived in Bethlehem? Can you link this
to the massacre of male children by King Herod?
From the accounts in the Gospels regarding the shepherd who were
outside tending their flock, it would appear that Jesus must have been
born in a season different from Holy Land winter. Shepherd would not be
out in the cold during Holy Land winter, would they?
Chris
Pastor Winter JNAHC wrote:
I am really surprised that the devilish Jim Sutton would choose a
title like that. What does the Bible call all like Jim Sutton
who trust in the feelings of their heart above the clear
teachings and commandments of the Bible?
Let's look and see for ourselves:
Proverbs 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool:
but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
What does God call Jim Sutton and anyone else he can convince to
put their feelings and comfort in their false churches above the
Word of God?
Please remember that every post from Jim Sutton is for the
ultimate purpose of deceiving you into a comfortable disobedience
of the Bible and the doctrines of devils his false-christian cult
teaches.
Folks, these devilish false-preachers are NOT your friend!
Interesting the false-christian fables that the false preachers
like Jim Sutton will use to deceive souls into hell. Satan
doesn't care how many good deeds you do or visions you have just
as long as you don't obey the Gospel by repenting, getting
baptised in Jesus Name and receiving the Holy Ghost with the
evidence of speaking in other tongues.
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure
sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to
themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall
be turned unto fables.
Satan has a lot of false preachers like Jim Sutton working for
him and teaching sugar coated fables.
If you want to read about true salvation, you won't get that from
Satan's filth like Jim Sutton. Read for yourself at
http://www.onenesschristian.org and see if your religion really
matches up with the Christianity of the Bible.
Let any true, faithful, holy, Oneness Christians reading here
join with me in obedience to Gal 1:8 regarding the lying deceiver
Jim Sutton AND his filthy preachers. Why would you think Gal 1:8
was somehow a commandment that you can simply ignore?
Pastor Winter
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| User: "Jim" |
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17 Jan 2005 08:49:16 AM |
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We must learn how to be honest with our own selves.
Until we learn to be honest with ourselves, and with God, we cannot be
honest with other people. To embrace and love a lie (to prefer a lie to the
truth) is dangerous on many levels. Delusions stem from a willful rejection
of truth and reality.
Think about it: If you reject the truth, what else is there to believe in?
Everything else is a lie, a delusion.
And there are spiritual consequences to dishonesty, as well.
For example, the Bible says: "...the working of Satan, with all power,
signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who
perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might
be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they
should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe
the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)
And again, it says: "Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they
may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into
the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and
murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie."
(Revelation 22:14,15)
Just how honest are you?
Honesty is something we must learn in life. Children often start out by
avoiding the truth when they think they may have done something wrong. And
our whole society, from salesmen to politicians, tends to avoid the truth
whenever it seems that the truth might hurt.
So how honest are you?
Are you honest with yourself? Are you honest with God?
In learning how to be honest with other people, we must first learn to be
honest with ourselves, and with God. It does no good to say that we are
honest people, if we are lying to our own selves about our sin, or if we try
to lie to God about what kind of people we are.
God knows exactly who we are. He knows about our stumblings and our failure
to be perfectly righteous. Yet He's willing to forgive us (any of us), if
we're willing to admit to Him our true condition and situation.
Everyone is a sinner because a sinner is anyone who sins. The Bible says
that all of us have sinned. We have all failed to measure up to the perfect
standards of God's own righteousness, and we have therefore failed to bring
glory to God in all things.
Ignoring or denying a problem does not make it go away.
All the religious rites in the world will not change who and what we are
inside. Jesus said that sin and spiritual uncleanness comes from the human
heart. He said:
"What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. For from within, out of the
heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy,
pride, and thoughtlessness. All these evil things come from within and
defile a man." (Mark 7:20-23)
That's exactly why Jesus had to die on the cross for our sin. All of us
have sinned and we cannot rid ourselves of the sin. And no sin shall be
able to exist in the Presence of God (such as in heaven).
In fact, the Bible says: "For the wages of sin is death..." (Rom 6:23a)
So Jesus Christ came to the earth and lived among us, being the perfect
image and voice of God. He never sinned. He never did the evil things that
people do. He was tempted in every way, just as we are, but without sin
(Hebrews 4:15).
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Scripture says about Jesus:
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever
believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did
not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world
through Him might be saved." (John 3:16,17)
"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in
Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23)
"...if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart
that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the
heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made
unto salvation." (Romans 10:9, 10)
"For He made Him [Jesus Christ] who knew no sin to become sin for us, that
we might become the righteousness of God in Him." (2 Corinthians 5:21)
"If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this
is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son. He who believes in
the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has
made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has
given of His Son. And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal
life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does
not have the Son of God does not have life. These things I have written to
you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you
have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the
Son of God. (1 John 5:9-13)
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So it all boils down to honesty. Anyone who is honest with themselves, and
with God will admit their sin, and their need of Jesus Christ. And those
who are not honest will deny their sin and their need of a Savior --
choosing to remain in the darkness that fills so much of this world.
The Bible says: "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the
world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in
Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already,
because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and
men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For
everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light,
lest his deeds should be exposed. (John 3:17-20)
Religion does not take the place of simple honesty with ourselves, and with
God. To everyone who professes Christian faith, the apostle John wrote:
"This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that
God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have
fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the
truth.
"But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with
one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not
in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not
sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
"My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin.
And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the
righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for
ours only but also for the whole world." (1 John 5:5-2:2)
If you will be honest with yourself and with God, then you will receive the
forgiveness of God for all sin. But if you remain in the shadows, hiding
from the truth, you cannot prosper in your spiritual walk. And you will not
receive eternal life. Only Jesus can save your soul.
Jesus Himself said: "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall
not walk in darkness, but have the light of life." (John 8:12)
And again, He said, "I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
believes in Me should not abide in darkness." (John 12:46)
And again Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes
to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)
All truth is from the same source. All truth leads us back to the same God
and the same salvation from God in Jesus Christ. In fact, Jesus Himself is
the ultimate truth of God for all humanity.
Be honest. Admit to yourself the flaws you have, the sins in your life.
And admit to God your need of Jesus for salvation.
God will forgive everyone who comes to Him by faith in Jesus Christ. May
God give you the courage to face the truth about your own life.
Jim
Need more help? Free help is available at:
http://www.goodwordusa.org/power/change1.htm
and at:
http://www.goodwordusa.org/word/peace4.htm
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18 Jan 2005 12:21:27 AM |
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"Jim" <jim@goodwordusa.org> spake thusly and wrote:
We must learn how to be honest with our own selves.
Devilish deceivers like Jim Sutton deceive and are deceived.
2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and
worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
Remember that every spam post from Jim Sutton is for the ultimate
purpose of deceiving you into a comfortable disobedience of the
Bible and the doctrines of devils his false-christian cult
teaches.
Don't be side tracked by the false-christian fables that the
false preachers like Jim Sutton will use to deceive souls into
hell. Satan doesn't care how many good deeds you do or visions
you have just as long as you don't obey the Gospel by repenting,
getting baptised in Jesus Name and receiving the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in other tongues.
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure
sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to
themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall
be turned unto fables.
Satan has a lot of false preachers like Jim Sutton working for
him and teaching sugar coated fables and false doctrines.
If you want to read about true salvation, you won't get that from
Satan's filth like Jim Sutton. Read for yourself at
http://www.onenesschristian.org and see if your religion really
matches up with the Christianity of the Bible.
Let any true faithful Oneness Christians reading here join with
me in obedience to Gal 1:8 regarding the lying deceiver Jim
Sutton AND his filthy preachers. Why would you think Gal 1:8 was
somehow a commandment that you can simply ignore?
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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18 Jan 2005 05:27:10 AM |
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Good morning Steve;
"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steveNONO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
news:1106029060.9d8691ae01af3891261f82fa0cd0c067@teranews...
"Jim" <jim@goodwordusa.org> spake thusly and wrote:
We must learn how to be honest with our own selves.
Devilish deceivers like Jim Sutton deceive and are deceived.
2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and
worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
Remember that every spam post from Jim Sutton is for the ultimate
purpose of deceiving you into a comfortable disobedience of the
Bible and the doctrines of devils his false-christian cult
teaches.
Mr. Sutton has posted good advice on many occasions. It's one thing to
supplement, quite another to ridicule and condemn. Any time you think you
can equal him, feel free to be a good role model. Can you?
Cheers,
John
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18 Jan 2005 11:43:47 AM |
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"John Fraser" <jfraser@ns.sympatico.ca> spake thusly and wrote:
Mr. Sutton has posted good advice on many occasions.
The Russians provided good healthy grain and food to countries
they were trying to enslave.
Rat poison is 99% healthy grain.
Many false religions provide disciplines that make people live
moral lives before they die and go to hell.
Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Devilish, Satanic deceiving false-christian scum like Jim Sutton
mix truth with their lies to deceive souls into hell.
But what is that to a deceiving scum like John Fraser who is just
trying to assert himself at someone else's expense?
In case you are inclined to consider Mr. Fraser in any way
honest or sincere, see http://www.impsmail.org/fraser.html
He is a malicious little troll grasping at straws in a
desperate attempt to try to appear to "be somebody" at
someone else's expense.
Pastor sTeve Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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19 Jan 2005 04:35:20 AM |
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Good morning Steve;
"Pastor Steve Winter" <steve.NO--SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
news:1106070002.fde4cb9ba53c9ecac13b3ff288156029@teranews...
"John Fraser" <jfraser@ns.sympatico.ca> spake thusly and wrote:
Mr. Sutton has posted good advice on many occasions.
The Russians provided good healthy grain and food to countries
they were trying to enslave.
Rat poison is 99% healthy grain.
So what? Your public animosity is self-acclaimed 99% Scripture. But,
you're the only one who justifies it with Scripture while others concentrate
on the more peaceful aspects of Scripture.
Many false religions provide disciplines that make people live
moral lives before they die and go to hell.
Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Devilish, Satanic deceiving false-christian scum like Jim Sutton
mix truth with their lies to deceive souls into hell.
But what is that to a deceiving scum like John Fraser who is just
trying to assert himself at someone else's expense?
Let's see. I haven't launched a class action lawsuit because people
disagreed with me. I haven't tried to get people fired because they
disagreed with me. I haven't personally collected child pornography to
spite someone. Shall I go on?
Cheers,
John
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19 Jan 2005 02:53:37 PM |
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"John Fraser" <jfraser@ns.sympatico.ca> spake thusly and wrote:
I haven't personally collected
You are a filthy piece of scum, Mr Fraser, and I believe that
anyone worth convincing can see you for the slime that you are.
You repeat the lies of other scum as if the scum of the Earth
were somehow and authority.
In case you are inclined to consider Mr. Fraser in any way
honest or sincere, see http://www.impsmail.org/fraser.html
He is a malicious little troll grasping at straws in a
desperate attempt to try to appear to "be somebody" at
someone else's expense.
Pastor sTeve Winter
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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19 Jan 2005 05:15:48 PM |
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Good evening Steve;
"Pastor Steve Winter" <steve.NO--SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
news:1106167790.6635f7c0d01566e7eea31015dceae681@teranews...
"John Fraser" <jfraser@ns.sympatico.ca> spake thusly and wrote:
I haven't personally collected
You are a filthy piece of scum, Mr Fraser, and I believe that
anyone worth convincing can see you for the slime that you are.
You repeat the lies of other scum as if the scum of the Earth
were somehow and authority.
In your own words, you collected and stored child pornography. No
righteous man would ever tarnish his image in such a manner. If they
encountered it, they would report it and request the authorities deal with
it. Besides, your involvement was a civil lawsuit initiated by you, not a
criminal trial initiated by legal authorities. They would not jeopardize
your reputation when they have their own resources. You obviously failed to
arrive at that same conclusion. Furthermore, in your thirst for vengeance,
you obviously missed that stopping the promulgation of child pornography
would be done in the same manner you were stopped: complaining to your ISP
about naughty users. You failed to notice that as well.
The basis of your lawsuit was that if you had to behave, so did others.
Newsflash, Steve: why couldn't you behave in the dignified manner of a good
role model? Are you going to complain to God that if He doesn't make
everyone behave, then why should you? Is that what you're telling us?
Another newsflash, Steve: Christians are the salt of the Earth. If the salt
loses its ability to make food more appealing, what good is it? You are no
longer appealing to this newsgroup. Problem is, you have nowhere else to
play. You have a real dilemna.
In case you are inclined to consider Mr. Fraser in any way
honest or sincere, see http://www.impsmail.org/fraser.html
He is a malicious little troll grasping at straws in a
desperate attempt to try to appear to "be somebody" at
someone else's expense.
Uh, I'm not the one pastoring an exclusive club trying to force an
unrelated public newsgroup to bend to my personal rules while shattering the
rules I'm supposed to obey.
Pastor sTeve Winter
The way I see it, you're caught in the same trap you set for Mr. Taylor.
How come you're not so happy when you're in its grip?
Cheers,
John
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20 Jan 2005 12:39:35 AM |
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"John Fraser" <jfraser@ns.sympatico.ca> spake thusly and wrote:
You repeat the lies of other scum as if the scum of the Earth
were somehow and authority.
In your own words, you collected
You are a lying piece of scum, Mr. Fraser.
Is there a lower piece of trash walking the earth than John
Fraser?
John Fraser has no problem at all with Stephen Adams actually
assisting child porn publishers, but accuses me of collecting the
garbage just because I found it being published by a defendant in
a lawsuit and reported it to the Federal Court and various law
enforcement.
It is good when low life slime like John Fraser show everyone out
here what despicable low life trash they really are.
Do they come any lower or more hypocritical than John Fraser?
Pastor Winter
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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20 Jan 2005 05:21:19 AM |
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Good morning Steve;
"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steveNONO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
news:1106202946.8c8fd914ca0393159d2692b8fb3aa25a@teranews...
"John Fraser" <jfraser@ns.sympatico.ca> spake thusly and wrote:
You repeat the lies of other scum as if the scum of the Earth
were somehow and authority.
In your own words, you collected
You are a lying piece of scum, Mr. Fraser.
There are many examples of your words. You stress that your lawsuit was
criminal in nature, yet it was only a civil lawsuit to get your ISP account
returned. The pornography you collected was for purposes of blackmail, not
moral virtue. Like I said, the policing authorities have resources to
monitor such violations. Evidently you felt that wasn't good enough or your
lawsuit would have run its course before much was done about it.
Is there a lower piece of trash walking the earth than John
Fraser?
John Fraser has no problem at all with Stephen Adams actually
assisting child porn publishers, but accuses me of collecting the
garbage just because I found it being published by a defendant in
a lawsuit and reported it to the Federal Court and various law
enforcement.
Well, you were given advice on what should have been done. Your ISP
wasn't the author of your words, yet you were held accountable by them
because of complaints. Your ISP wasn't the author of the pornography, yet
you tried to hold them accountable as if they were. The difference is, you
didn't complain to your ISP about the violators. You're the type of person
who would hold the Superintendent of Motor Vehicles responsible for the way
other people drive because your license was suspended due to your own
foolishness. Are you really that stupid?
It is good when low life slime like John Fraser show everyone out
here what despicable low life trash they really are.
The point you're arguing here is that you have the moral right to be
disobedient if others are not made to obey. That was the essence of your
lawsuit. It is an observation of your participation on Usenet.
Do they come any lower or more hypocritical than John Fraser?
Pastor Winter
I don't claim to be the most righteous or morally responsible person
here. You do. Yet, very little evidence of it exists when compared to
Scripture. Oh, I know you have your pet examples. But, they're situations
of controversy. It seems that is what you relate to best and there is no
shortage of it. On the other hand, there is a distinct lack of moral
discipline such as your response. I didn't call you names, yet you do
because Jesus made you do it. Nice try, but your efforts aren't the least
bit mature.
Cheers,
John
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20 Jan 2005 02:47:28 PM |
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"John Fraser" <jfraser@ns.sympatico.ca> spake thusly and wrote:
There are many examples of your words. You stress that your lawsuit was
criminal in nature, yet it was only a civil lawsuit to get your ISP account
returned.
You are an ignorant lying scum, Fraser. You have no idea of the
facts but you repeat malicious lies.
I believe that John Fraser is really just showing everyone out
here the level of lying scum that he really is.
I uncovered criminal activity in the course of a proper
investigation directly related to a civil suit in which I was a
pro se plaintiff and I immediately reported what I found to the
court and various law enforcement including a US Senator who got
the DOJ involved.
Anyone else see the hypocrisy of these lying scum like John
Fraser and the other trash out here? These scum attack me for
reporting child porn publishers to law enforcement as if I were
some kind of criminal, BUT these slime say not a word against the
filthy scum Stephen Adams who BOASTS of his efforts to aid and
abet the actual scum who were publishing child porn from their
servers.
There is not much lower filth than this scum John Fraser and the
other slime supporting Stephen Adams in the indefensible.
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "The official Usenet GHOST! BOOOOOOOOOO!" |
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20 Jan 2005 11:10:37 AM |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:39:35 -0500, Pastor Winter JNAHC
<steveNONO-SPAM@prime.org> sez the following funny stuff:
"John Fraser" <jfraser@ns.sympatico.ca> spake thusly and wrote:
You repeat the lies of other scum as if the scum of the Earth
were somehow and authority.
In your own words, you collected
You are a lying piece of scum, Mr. Fraser.
Is there a lower piece of trash walking the earth than John
Fraser?
MUCH lower. John Fraser, so unlike you, is a decent, God-fearing and
intelligent man.
Do they come any lower or more hypocritical than John Fraser?
Much- they havbe the likes of YOU, whiner.. You're lower than
pond-scum.
alt.religion.christian.calvary-chapel,
alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,
alt.bible,alt.bible.prophecy,
alt.religion.christian.baptist
corrected
WARNING:
La religione Cattolica maledica la vostra anima
da falso insegnamento. Fuga mentre dio ancora vi
dà il tempo.
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20 Jan 2005 02:48:50 PM |
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The official Usenet GHOST! BOOOOOOOOOO! <user@someplace.net>
spake thusly and wrote:
Is there a lower piece of trash walking the earth than John
Fraser?
MUCH lower. John Fraser, so unlike you, is a decent, God-fearing and
intelligent man.
Of course some foul false-christian dirt like Merle Elaine
Matthews would defend a devil like John Fraser.
Want to see why the devil woman is so obsessed, look here:
So far the false-christian dirt Merle Elaine Matthews always
changes the subject when she is asked what the difference is
between the trinity that she worships and the trinity that the
pope worships.
In what way is Merle's three headed Roman idol god squad
different from the popes three headed Roman idol god squad?
In what way is Merle's trinity cult baptism different
than the pope's trinity cult baptism?
Merle Elaine Matthews is merely "Catholic lite"<tm> railing
at her spiritual mama.
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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20 Jan 2005 09:23:09 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:48:50 -0500, Pastor Steve Winter
<steve.NO--SPAM@prime.org> sez the following funny stuff:
Of course some foul false-christian dirt like Merle Elaine
Matthews would defend a devil like John Fraser.
Want to see why the devil woman is so obsessed, look here:
HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
poor old man WHINER!!!!!!!!!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! :O)
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| User: "The official Usenet GHOST! BOOOOOOOOOO!" |
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20 Jan 2005 09:23:56 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:48:50 -0500, Pastor Steve Winter
<steve.NO--SPAM@prime.org> sez the following funny stuff:
Want to see why the devil woman is so obsessed, look here:
look WHERE, old boy?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! :O)
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19 Jan 2005 04:36:59 PM |
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Pastor Steve Winter <steve.NO--SPAM@prime.org> writes:
He is a malicious little troll grasping at straws in a
desperate attempt to try to appear to "be somebody" at
someone else's expense.
This would be you - self-proclaimed "pastor" of a basement church with
no members besides your wife and perhaps one of your children.
You had your ordination revoked. You admitted in public that you
fathered a child out of wedlock. In addition, you admitted that
your son abused an underage girl and then you disowwned him so that
you could keep your self-given title.
You rant, rave and scream when people don't agree with you. You lie,
threaten, sue, and otherwise harass anyone who disagrees with you,
their network providers and their employers.
It is YOU who are desperate to "be somebody" - that's why you stalk
people on the net, why you insert yourself into discussions between
reel Christians, why you sue, why you keep your hate site.
It is YOU, Mr. Winter, who is making a "despearate attempt to be
somebody" at the expense of *everyone* else.
The fact that nobody listens to you and that you cannot keep fellowship
with anyone demonstrates that it is YOU who is the problem.
-Stephen
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Space Age Cybernomad Stephen Adams
(remove SPAM to reply)
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20 Jan 2005 12:35:57 AM |
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Stephen M. Adams <adamst@no.spam> spake thusly and wrote:
The fact that nobody listens to you and that you cannot keep fellowship
with anyone demonstrates that it is YOU who is the problem.
If no one was listening to me I hardly think that filth like
Stephen Adams and the other scum aligned with him would be so
obsessed with me to engage in the campaign of malicious actions
against me to try to stop me from publishing.
See what Stephen Adams and the other Satanic filth are really
upset about, obsessed about, and jealous of at
http://www.onenesschristian.org
Stephen Adams is a malicious false-christian scum.
Pastor Winter
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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20 Jan 2005 09:32:07 AM |
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Pastor Winter JNAHC <steveNONO-SPAM@prime.org> writes:
Stephen M. Adams <adamst@no.spam> spake thusly and wrote:
The fact that nobody listens to you and that you cannot keep fellowship
with anyone demonstrates that it is YOU who is the problem.
If no one was listening to me I hardly think that filth like
Stephen Adams and the other scum aligned with him would be so
obsessed with me to engage in the campaign of malicious actions
against me to try to stop me from publishing.
One more time - my ONLY reason for EVER being involved with you is
your harassement of people who don't agree with you. The FAQ was
created because of your harassment. If you quit harassing people,
I would have no need to warn them about you.
Pretty simple, really - you stop harassing people and there won't be
any need for the FAQ or for me to respond to you.
Before you sued me, I hadn't responded to anything you did on the net
for a couple of years. You sued, and in order to ensure that you did
not prevail on any level with your false claims, I began refuting your
lies on the net. You only prolonged my involvement by appealing the
decision you lost.
Your call. You can make this whole thing go away anytime you want.
-Stephen
--
Space Age Cybernomad Stephen Adams
(remove SPAM to reply)
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| Title: Re: why be like the fools? |
20 Jan 2005 02:41:07 PM |
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Stephen M. Adams <adamst@no.spam> spake thusly and wrote:
One more time - my ONLY reason for EVER being involved with you is
your harassement of people who don't agree with you.
You are one brazen, lying, piece of scum, Mr. Adams. It was my
efforts to defend myself and my family from various forms of
electronic harassment and even cyber terrorism that you scum
interfered with to try to prevent me from defending myself.
The fact that various trash (including Adams) were using their
work email accounts and other company clout to commit harassment
by wire does not make me the "harasser" for simply complaining
about it.
The filthy low life dirt Stephen Adams has boasted of sending his
libelous FAQ to various law enforcement agencies to try to
prevent me from getting protection from crime. He may well have
found some corrupt officers who also were false-christians to
cooperate with his little conspiracy as well.
The filthy scum Stephen Adams was even willing to try to help
child porn publishers so they would not be prosecuted for what
they were doing since they had cooperated with him against me.
Stephen Adams is a brazen liar and one of the more malicious of
the false-christian scum out here.
See what the filthy devil Stephen Adams is really the most upset
about at http://www.prime.org since there are so many Bible
studies and tracts there that show him for the filthy
false-christian cultist he really is.
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "Stephen M. Adams" |
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| Title: Re: why be like the fools? |
18 Jan 2005 12:50:07 PM |
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Pastor Steve Winter <steve.NO--SPAM@prime.org> writes:
He is a malicious little troll grasping at straws in a
desperate attempt to try to appear to "be somebody" at
someone else's expense.
This is a perfect description of Steve Winter - he has ZERO
credibility with anyone, and as such, can only try to "be
somebody" by tearing down real Christians.
Mr. Winter is selling Satan's program - fortunatley there are no
buyers.
-Stephen
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Space Age Cybernomad Stephen Adams
(remove SPAM to reply)
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| User: "Jim" |
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| Title: Re: why be like the fools? |
18 Jan 2005 06:53:47 AM |
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Steve wrote:
Devilish deceivers like Jim Sutton deceive and are deceived.
and so on...as always...
I am reminded, however, of something that Paul wrote in Philippians
1:14-18
"...and most of the brethren in the Lord, having become confident by my
chains, are much more bold to speak the Word without fear. Some indeed
preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from good will.
The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely,
supposing to add affliction to my chains; but the latter out of love,
knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel.
"What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth,
Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice."
So also, today we have many kinds of people who speak of Jesus Christ
for many different kinds of reasons.
I pray that the gospel of Jesus Christ will go to the whole world
--into every town, every small village, every inner city, and every
rural area. I pray that the truth of the gospel will enter every home,
every church building, every temple, every bar, every alley way, every
crowded marketplace -- and into every human heart.
May all who share the message of Jesus Christ be pure in motive and
fully empowered by the Spirit of God. May no one speak of the Lord
merely from ego and selfish ambitions.
Even so, by every means and in every place let the salvation of Jesus
Christ be preached, proclaimed, shouted, and celebrated. Amen and
amen.
Jim
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| User: "Pastor Winter JNAHC" |
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| Title: Re: why be like the fools? |
19 Jan 2005 01:08:12 AM |
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"Jim" <jim@goodwordusa.org> spake thusly and wrote:
I am reminded, however, of something that Paul wrote in Philippians
1:14-18
Funny that a devil like Jim Sutton would want to quote Paul when
it was Paul who taught that filth like Jim Sutton were to be
accursed.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any
other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you,
let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man
preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let
him be accursed.
I hope that no one will take offence at my intolerance of false
preachers like Jim Sutton and such like that infest the world
with the purpose of deceiving souls into a comfortable
disobedience of the Bible.
I pray that no one here is going to be so naive as to believe
that a false preacher like Jim Sutton is going to admit that
he/she/it is a false preacher. They are, of course, going to say
"Oh yes our church obeys the Bible".
One of my goals is to study what the Bible really teaches and
thereby expose the religious filth like the "Jim & Tammys" and
the "Jimmy Swaggarts". Now, I am not so naive to think that
Satan is going to allow the truth to be studied without sending
some of his ministers and deceivers and even reprobates
pretending to be "Oneness" while promoting rebellion,
heresy and error.
The Bible does NOT teach that we should be tolerant of false
christian deceivers that are the vilest of parasites, filth that
actually snare souls that are trying to find God, and deceive
them with lies.
Folks, please understand, this is not a game. Nice sweet people
are being deceived into a very very real hell by religious filth
and deceivers like Jim Sutton. What viler thing could there be
upon the earth than a sweet talking false preacher? Here we have
ALL these people that *think* that they have obeyed the Bible and
are headed for heaven, YET, the basic Acts 2:38 message sounds
strange and foreign to them because some deceiving filth has
preached them full of sugar coated lies, AND has probably already
preached some of their older relatives into hell.
Of COURSE these men oppose the truth! If their congregations
find out what true Christianity is, then they will realize that
their preacher has already deceived some of their relatives into
hell. THINK ABOUT IT! They can't admit even what they know
because then they would have to admit that everyone who had died
in their church was in hell. THEY HAVE TO FIGHT THIS TRUTH!
It is the job of a TRUE preacher to convince you TO OBEY the Word
of God, it is the job of Satan and his servants to explain to
you why you really don't need to obey the Word of God and it is
the job of the reprobates like Fullerton, Price, Taylor etc.. to
muddy the waters between the two.
Look what Paul says about false christian filth like Jim Sutton :
II Corinthians 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may
cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein
they glory, they may be found even as we.
II Corinthians 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful
workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
II Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is
transformed into an angel of light.
II Corinthians 11:15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his
ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;
whose end shall be according to their works.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any
other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you,
let him be accursed.
II Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty
angels,
II Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them
that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus
Christ:
II Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting
destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of
his power;
It is such a simple matter. Some here are trying to convince you
to obey the Bible and other filth like Jim Sutton here are trying
to convince you why you don't need to obey the Bible. And, of
course the reprobate filth like Fullerton, Price and Taylor and
such like to water down the truth and muddy the waters.
Pastor Winter
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "John Fraser" |
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| Title: Re: why be like the fools? |
19 Jan 2005 04:26:23 AM |
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Good morning Steve;
"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steveNONO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
news:1106118264.0888e97446d4d842c1fa1d9a29216b10@teranews...
"Jim" <jim@goodwordusa.org> spake thusly and wrote:
I am reminded, however, of something that Paul wrote in Philippians
1:14-18
Funny that a devil like Jim Sutton would want to quote Paul when
it was Paul who taught that filth like Jim Sutton were to be
accursed.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any
other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you,
let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man
preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let
him be accursed.
I hope that no one will take offence at my intolerance of false
preachers like Jim Sutton and such like that infest the world
with the purpose of deceiving souls into a comfortable
disobedience of the Bible.
I pray that no one here is going to be so naive as to believe
that a false preacher like Jim Sutton is going to admit that
he/she/it is a false preacher. They are, of course, going to say
"Oh yes our church obeys the Bible".
One of my goals is to study what the Bible really teaches and
thereby expose the religious filth like the "Jim & Tammys" and
the "Jimmy Swaggarts". Now, I am not so naive to think that
Satan is going to allow the truth to be studied without sending
some of his ministers and deceivers and even reprobates
pretending to be "Oneness" while promoting rebellion,
heresy and error.
You, who pastors a church which isn't listed anywhere, is going to
lecture us about people who lost ministries which were broadcasted
internationally? You, who preaches only about those who disagree with you,
is criticizing others while offering nothing else? You're funny.
Cheers,
John
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