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"Pastor Frank" |
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22 Jun 2003 05:23:46 AM |
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Re: Why can't we see God if he exists? |
"John Vogel" <jvogel2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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Sure John, but this post did not, and I need to see it to understand
what you mean and how this could have happened, and also how to prevent
it. Either that or explain what you want me to do exactly to prevent it.
Looking back on this message, it looks like I was in error. Perhaps I was
mistaken about the other one. Sorry bout the misunderstanding. It just
looked like someone else had written what you were replying to, and my
name
was at the top, but perhaps I had replied to someone else, and you were
replying to him and I, or something, I don't know. Don't worry bout it,
forget I said anything ;)
Of course you realize, that one of the favourite atheist methods of
flaming a Christian poster is to accuse him of lying. There is nothing
personal about this, it's just another method Satan employs to STOP
Christian witness. Don't let his minions stop you John, just laugh at
him,
singing the hymn: "We are glad when the devil's mad", and keep on
praising
your God through Jesus Christ. If you are effective in witnessing for
Christ, you have to expect some people to hate you, John. See below
Actually, most of the time I have been accused of lying by the flaming
atheists they were pretty much correct in their accusations.
If you are the Christian i think you are, you do not lie.
I've been
caught in a couple lies, to be sure, or (as I like to tell myself) a bit
of
stretching of the truth. However, I've also been accused of "lying" when I
was simply mistaken about soemthing. I noticed that Keeenan has apparantly
done this to you, in his accusations. I think the worst "evidence" he has
against you, is that you don't admit to your mistakes, and become angry
when
confronted with them. This is something I believe you might need to work
on,
but then I don't know you that well, and all I have to go on is the posts
provided by your enemy.
If you want to believe posts of enemies, that is your choice. But I can
assure you I do NOT lie, for i only write, what the Holy Spirit of Christ
tells me to write. I may interterpret differently than you, but that is not
a lie, and I do not need to appologise for it.
I was an atheist most of my life and I am well aquainted with the
methods used to SILENCE Christians. I would jump on Christians with both
feet for mispelling a word, let alone make them admit to incompetence and
lies. I silenced a lot of Christians in my atheist days, and was proud of
it. That is why so few Christians are posting their beliefs anymore in their
own Christian NGs, for our NGs are dominated by atheists. These are the
centries of Satan and their only purpose is to get you to STOP posting
Christ, and they use any and all methods to achieve that purpose. Some even
go on to post calumnies and blasphemies in your name. As you must have
noticed they are quite benign otherwise.
I am posting personal stuff to you only because I fear for a brother in
Christ, giving too much credence to Satan's minions, and allowing himself to
be distracted from his purpose of advocating Christ. Since accepting Christ
into my life, I would much rather post Christ and His glorious perfections,
than post in regards to the shorcomings of man..
God bless you too, and keep you in our Lord Jesus Christ.
--
Pastor Frank
SONS OF GOD
Jn:1:12: But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the
sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Rom:8:14: For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of
God.
Rom:8:19: For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the
manifestation of the sons of God.
Phil:2:15: That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without
rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine
as lights in the world;
1Jn:3:1: Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that
we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not,
because it knew him not.
1Jn:3:2: Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear
what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like
him; for we shall see him as he is.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Why can't we see God if he exists? |
23 Jun 2003 09:19:31 AM |
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"Jesse Nowells" <jnowells@transbay.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Pastor Frank wrote:
But I can assure you I do NOT lie, for i only write, what the Holy
Spirit of Christ tells me to write.
& why should anyone presume that this is any real assurance that you don't
lie?
It's because what Christ stands for. Deliberate deceptions are foreign
to Him, for Christ is all about truth.
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Pastor Frank
1Pt:4:14: If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the
spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken
of, but on your part he is glorified.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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25 Jun 2003 07:36:50 PM |
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"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> writes:
That's just your cynicism, if not paranoia talking, which presumes
without evidence, that truth doesn't exist and everyone is lying.
How did his statement imply that? You're just making this up, lying about
his words so that you can insult him. Heck, it wouldn't be the first time
-- I've documentation of you doing it to quite a few people.
Wasn't it you who calls all Christian scientists followers of Dame
Blavatsky? "Lying" indeed!!!!!!! LOL
Find Christ in you, and follow Him, and you will be saved.
--
Pastor Frank
THE MINIONS OF SATAN
Jesus in John 8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in
the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he
speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Mt:6:21: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Mt:12:34: O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things?
for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mt:12:35: A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth
good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil
things.
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| User: "Keenan Clay Wilkie" |
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26 Jun 2003 01:11:37 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:3ef9e3a7_1@news.iglou.com...
"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> writes:
That's just your cynicism, if not paranoia talking, which presumes
without evidence, that truth doesn't exist and everyone is lying.
How did his statement imply that? You're just making this up, lying about
his words so that you can insult him. Heck, it wouldn't be the first time
-- I've documentation of you doing it to quite a few people.
Wasn't it you who calls all Christian scientists followers of Dame
Blavatsky?
First and foremost: http://christianscientist.rolf-witzsche.com/
Once again, the "S" in "Scientists" is supposed to be captialized. It's a
proper name, "Christian Scientists". That you continue to spell it with
the lowercase "s" after having been corrected on the matter more than
once is proof that you are deliberately trying to muddy the
issue by ignoring established facts.
Second, it's not just me who uses the term "Christian Scientists". You
first wrongly accused Alan Hobson of lying when he made reference to the
sect with that term, and you refused to let up even when you were
presented with a website run by a member of the sect that uses the term
"Christian Scientists": http://christianscientist.rolf-witzsche.com/
In other words, followers of the variant of Christianity founded by Dame
Blavatsky call themselves Christian Scientists. You, however, dishonestly
ignore the facts in this matter, because you're too arrogant, too
dishonest and too much of a coward to ever admit that you made an error.
You're also incredibly stupid in believing that anyone will fall for your
inane stunts.
I await your response regarding the Christian Science website. I know
that you will NEVER concede your error, because you're far too dishonest
to ever do that, but I am curious as to whether you will outright ignore
it or claim that it was an atheist front created to make Christians look
bad. Maybe you'll dishonestly alter the context of one of my statements
and lie about the meaning of what I said, like you did here:
http://tinyurl.com/eyx5 (the original, in context statement is here:
http://tinyurl.com/eyxb -- you cannot hide from the fact that you LIED
about my statement, Frank).
John Vogel, do you now understand why I call Pastor Frank a liar? Do you
now understand why I question Pastor Frank's sincerity in anything that
he says? Even after he was shown to have been wrong regarding the term
"Christian Scientist" he continues to call people a liar over the term.
When he first made the error, he could be called "mistaken", but now that
his error has been exposed and it has been well-documented that he was in
error and that the terminology used is correct and he still claims that
I'm a liar for using the terminology, he crosses into blatant dishonesty.
When I call the man a liar and a fraud, I do so because of his extensive
history.
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See the documented lies of Pastor Frank: http://tinyurl.com/6009
Saddam's name coded in a famous and old book: http://tinyurl.com/6mr4
Back To The Future DVD Warning: http://tinyurl.com/6007
d a r k s t a r @ i g l o u . c o m | atheist #29
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| User: "Keenan Clay Wilkie" |
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27 Jun 2003 02:39:47 AM |
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"John Vogel" <jvogel2000@hotmail.com> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
John Vogel, do you now understand why I call Pastor Frank a liar? Do you
now understand why I question Pastor Frank's sincerity in anything that
he says? Even after he was shown to have been wrong regarding the term
"Christian Scientist" he continues to call people a liar over the term.
When he first made the error, he could be called "mistaken", but now that
his error has been exposed and it has been well-documented that he was in
error and that the terminology used is correct and he still claims that
I'm a liar for using the terminology, he crosses into blatant dishonesty.
When I call the man a liar and a fraud, I do so because of his extensive
history.
What gets me, though, is that whenever I see a message addressed from you, I
can almost guarentee it is posting derisive remarks to or about Frank. Do
you realize how obsessed you appear to be with Frank?
Yes, and I admit as much on the site. It's a passing thing, comes and
goes. Truthfully, it's not the focus of my everyday life, it just happens
to be the focus of my USENET postings at present.
You didn't answer my question, though.
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See the documented lies of Pastor Frank: http://tinyurl.com/6009
Saddam's name coded in a famous and old book: http://tinyurl.com/6mr4
Back To The Future DVD Warning: http://tinyurl.com/6007
d a r k s t a r @ i g l o u . c o m | atheist #29
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| User: "John Vogel" |
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28 Jun 2003 12:38:53 AM |
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"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
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"John Vogel" <jvogel2000@hotmail.com> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
John Vogel, do you now understand why I call Pastor Frank a liar? Do
you
now understand why I question Pastor Frank's sincerity in anything that
he says? Even after he was shown to have been wrong regarding the term
"Christian Scientist" he continues to call people a liar over the term.
When he first made the error, he could be called "mistaken", but now
that
his error has been exposed and it has been well-documented that he was
in
error and that the terminology used is correct and he still claims that
I'm a liar for using the terminology, he crosses into blatant
dishonesty.
When I call the man a liar and a fraud, I do so because of his
extensive
history.
What gets me, though, is that whenever I see a message addressed from
you, I
can almost guarentee it is posting derisive remarks to or about Frank. Do
you realize how obsessed you appear to be with Frank?
Yes, and I admit as much on the site. It's a passing thing, comes and
goes. Truthfully, it's not the focus of my everyday life, it just happens
to be the focus of my USENET postings at present.
You didn't answer my question, though.
Sorry, yes I understand.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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27 Jun 2003 02:08:26 PM |
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"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:3efbf4c3_1@news.iglou.com...
"John Vogel" <jvogel2000@hotmail.com> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
John Vogel, do you now understand why I call Pastor Frank a liar? Do
you
now understand why I question Pastor Frank's sincerity in anything that
he says? Even after he was shown to have been wrong regarding the term
"Christian Scientist" he continues to call people a liar over the term.
When he first made the error, he could be called "mistaken", but now
that
his error has been exposed and it has been well-documented that he was
in
error and that the terminology used is correct and he still claims that
I'm a liar for using the terminology, he crosses into blatant
dishonesty.
When I call the man a liar and a fraud, I do so because of his
extensive
history.
What gets me, though, is that whenever I see a message addressed from
you, I
can almost guarentee it is posting derisive remarks to or about Frank. Do
you realize how obsessed you appear to be with Frank?
Yes, and I admit as much on the site. It's a passing thing, comes and
goes. Truthfully, it's not the focus of my everyday life, it just happens
to be the focus of my USENET postings at present.
You didn't answer my question, though.
Tell him about Christ and the freedom from addictions and compulsion
Christ offers those born again in Him. See below
--
Pastor Frank
Jn:8:36: If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
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| User: "Jesse Nowells" |
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23 Jun 2003 08:48:48 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Pastor Frank wrote:
But I can assure you I do NOT lie, for i only write, what the Holy
Spirit of Christ tells me to write.
& why should anyone presume that this is any real assurance that you don't
lie?
It's because what Christ stands for ...
& what does a double-talking megalomaniacal street preacher really stand
for besides a few platitudes & ambiguous aphorisms?
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24 Jun 2003 04:03:03 PM |
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In talk.atheism Pastor Frank <pf@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Jesse Nowells" <jnowells@transbay.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Pastor Frank wrote:
But I can assure you I do NOT lie, for i only write, what the Holy
Spirit of Christ tells me to write.
& why should anyone presume that this is any real assurance that you
don't
lie?
It's because what Christ stands for ...
& what does a double-talking megalomaniacal street preacher really stand
for besides a few platitudes & ambiguous aphorisms?
That's just your cynicism, if not paranoia talking, which presumes
without evidence, that truth doesn't exist and everyone is lying. Christ
stands for truth, regardless of whether there is still truth to be found on
this earth.
Oh, there's PLENTY of evidence that you're a bald-faced liar, Pester Flake.
--
Mike atheism: a non-prophet organization...
Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you
do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.
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"If money is the root of all evil, then why does the church always want it??"
WWJD=What Would Jesus Drive? ("He drove them out in his Fury")
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| User: "Jesse Nowells" |
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25 Jun 2003 08:16:30 AM |
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Pastor Frank wrote:
& what does a double-talking megalomaniacal street preacher really stand
for besides a few platitudes & ambiguous aphorisms?
That's just your cynicism, if not paranoia talking, which presumes
without evidence, that truth doesn't exist and everyone is lying. Christ
stands for truth, regardless of whether there is still truth to be found on
this earth.
Your own meglomania has you to believe in your own stupid ***** non
sequiturs. If I don't believe that Jesus stands for "truth", it doesn't
follow that I presume that "truth" doesn't exist.
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| User: "John Vogel" |
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22 Jun 2003 06:03:04 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:1056288083.906919@arakis...
"John Vogel" <jvogel2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3ef358c5_1@corp.newsgroups.com...
"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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Sure John, but this post did not, and I need to see it to
understand
what you mean and how this could have happened, and also how to
prevent
it. Either that or explain what you want me to do exactly to prevent
it.
Looking back on this message, it looks like I was in error. Perhaps I
was
mistaken about the other one. Sorry bout the misunderstanding. It just
looked like someone else had written what you were replying to, and my
name
was at the top, but perhaps I had replied to someone else, and you were
replying to him and I, or something, I don't know. Don't worry bout it,
forget I said anything ;)
Of course you realize, that one of the favourite atheist methods of
flaming a Christian poster is to accuse him of lying. There is nothing
personal about this, it's just another method Satan employs to STOP
Christian witness. Don't let his minions stop you John, just laugh at
him,
singing the hymn: "We are glad when the devil's mad", and keep on
praising
your God through Jesus Christ. If you are effective in witnessing for
Christ, you have to expect some people to hate you, John. See below
Actually, most of the time I have been accused of lying by the flaming
atheists they were pretty much correct in their accusations.
If you are the Christian i think you are, you do not lie.
Well, then I must not be the Christian you think I am. I do lie, though I
try very hard not to lie, and when I do I am chastised for it, and repent of
my wrongdoing. I don't lie often, and I believe that honesty IS the best
policy, but (to be totally honest) I do transgress the law within me, and I
do lie occasionally. I am not proud of it, I am ashamed of it, but I am not
perfect, and I sometimes submit to that temptation. Do you think this makes
me less of a Christian, now?
I've been
caught in a couple lies, to be sure, or (as I like to tell myself) a bit
of
stretching of the truth. However, I've also been accused of "lying" when
I
was simply mistaken about soemthing. I noticed that Keeenan has
apparantly
done this to you, in his accusations. I think the worst "evidence" he
has
against you, is that you don't admit to your mistakes, and become angry
when
confronted with them. This is something I believe you might need to work
on,
but then I don't know you that well, and all I have to go on is the
posts
provided by your enemy.
If you want to believe posts of enemies, that is your choice. But I
can
assure you I do NOT lie, for i only write, what the Holy Spirit of Christ
tells me to write. I may interterpret differently than you, but that is
not
a lie, and I do not need to appologise for it.
I don't have to believe any posts of your enemies, Frank. I have your own
posts to go by. Should I not believe your own words? Did your enemies
concoct these posts under your name to discredit you? If that's the case,
then I apologize for believing you have shortcomings. Perhaps you consider
yourself perfect, and beyond any carnal wrongdoing? I don't consider you in
this light, but there is always that chance that I might be wrong, that your
posts which show you to be arrogant and presumptious are not really from
you, but were planted by your enemies.
I was an atheist most of my life and I am well aquainted with the
methods used to SILENCE Christians. I would jump on Christians with both
feet for mispelling a word, let alone make them admit to incompetence and
lies. I silenced a lot of Christians in my atheist days, and was proud of
it. That is why so few Christians are posting their beliefs anymore in
their
own Christian NGs, for our NGs are dominated by atheists. These are the
centries of Satan and their only purpose is to get you to STOP posting
Christ, and they use any and all methods to achieve that purpose. Some
even
go on to post calumnies and blasphemies in your name. As you must have
noticed they are quite benign otherwise.
Yes, I also know the tools of the anti-christ, or "satans minions", as you
call them. I don't mean to speak against you, but to show that while I see
(and I could be wrong) pride, and some arrogance (in your past posts), I
don't really see you lying or purposely deceiving (which is of satan and not
of Christ). I believe (as I have said before) that you are a Christian, and
that you love Jesus Christ, but that you are not perfect (even as I am not
perfect) and that it is good to correct those things in our brothers and
sisters which prevent them from being an effective witness to the Word of
God.
I am posting personal stuff to you only because I fear for a brother
in
Christ, giving too much credence to Satan's minions, and allowing himself
to
be distracted from his purpose of advocating Christ. Since accepting
Christ
into my life, I would much rather post Christ and His glorious
perfections,
than post in regards to the shorcomings of man..
God bless you too, and keep you in our Lord Jesus Christ.
We all have shortcomings, Frank. Admitting to those shortcomings does not
weaken ones testimony, IMHO, but can be useful for showing others that we
need not be perfect to accept Jesus Christ, or to be a Christian, but we
should always strive for that perfection. I love Jesus Christ and will
continue to teach His Word as it has been given to me, and part of this is
by helping others (my brothers as well as those that oppose me) to
understand where they are weak, allowing them to overcome their weaknesses,
for the glory of God and the gospel of His Salvation. It's not enough to
tell others what the scriptures say, but our words are our witnesses, and if
we are puffed up (eq. prideful), using rough and unkind, impatient and
unwilling to teach in love, then we are not doing as we should, we are not
being good servants of the Lord. I just pray that you don't consider ME an
enemy, if I have said anything you believe unwarranted. I can be mistaken,
and I do consider you a brother in Christ, as I hope you consider me as
well. I appreciate your instruction and correction, and I don't just
discount anything you say to me OR anything THEY say to me, I examine it for
truth, and I take the truth and use it to build myself, to undertand my own
shortcomings, and by the power of Jesus Christ, to overcome those
shortcomings, in order to be a good servant.
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt
to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if
God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the
truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil,
who are taken captive by him at his will. (2Ti 2:24-26)
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23 Jun 2003 01:18:47 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> writes:
Lying is telling deliberately, knowingly and maliciously an untruth, and
I don't believe either you nor I do that.
So what is this, Frank?
"I've already proven you wrong, Frank. You claimed that the term
"Christian Scientist" is used to describe members of the Church of Christ
Scientist only by atheists in an attempt to disparage non-sect members who
happen to be both scientists and Christians." (http://tinyurl.com/eyxb)
Those were my words. That was a complete statement. You, however,
dishonestly cut it short and totally changed the meaning of the statement
-- effectively LYING about what I had said:
" I've already proven you wrong, Frank. You claimed that the term
"Christian Scientist" is used to describe members of the Church of
Christ". (http://tinyurl.com/eyx5)
That's called LYING, Frank. You deliberately, knowingly and maliciously
told an untruth in changing the wording of my statement.
Though admittedly we may be in error sometimes inadvertently, but never
purposely.
And yet when you are exposed as being in error, you refuse to admit it.
Instead, you weave a web of lies to cover it up. You claimed that the
Kansas state Board of Education had made a decision regarding creationism
in the classroom. When proven wrong, you claimed that there was no Kansas
state Board of Education (which means that you were either lying about
them deciding to put creationism in the classroom or you were lying about
their nonexistence, because both cannot be true). When that was
disproven, you went on a temper tantrum. Later you finally claimed that
the 'sources' (ie, five different news articles referencing the incident)
showed signs of 'atheist sympathies' and that you had seen other
'references' that countered my own. You never posted these so-called
'references', and your claim that my sources were 'atheist lies' was a
transparent cop-out -- you didn't want to admit your mistake, so you lied
about the evidence that proved you wrong.
I see as little value to defend myself against Satan's sentries in these
our pristine Christian NGs, as Christ did against accusations from
Satan's minions out to kill Him.
In other words, it's perfectly acceptable to refuse to admit your mistakes
and to lie when dealing with "Satan's sentries". Sure, it totally kills
any credibility that you might have had, but they're not Christians, so
it's okay to lie to them and to lob demonstratably false accusations at
them and to throw a massive temper tantrum when they finally prove you
wrong.
There is a limit to that. Jesus was not particularly kind to Satan's
minions, the scribes and Pharisees nor evil spirits etc.
I guess that this is an easy cop-out for you. Liken those who have
exposed your mistakes and your dishonesty to "Satan's minions" (even
though you've given a completely different definition for "Satan's
minions" in the past...but, hey, that's just more dishonesty on your
part), scribes, Pharisees and "evil spirits".
I will correspond with people about Christ, but not about them personally
nor me
But you're free to lob false accusations against me, such as the one where
you accused me of "hating democracy" and your recent howler where you
speculated that I'd set some USENET cancelbot against you.
Remember I used to be an atheist and well able to whip up true believers
into a white hot frenzy.
You're such a liar, Frank, so why should I believe that you were ever an
atheist? Even if you were, it sounds like you're projecting your own
personal shortcomings onto everyone else, thinking yourself perfect now
that you've become a Christian. Unfortunately, the only thing that your
'conversion' has given you is delusions of perfection. Maybe you were an
arrogant, self-righteous and dishonest atheist. The only thing that is
different now is that you are a Christian.
I only found out after my conversion, that atheists
themselves are true-believers also,
Typical old lie. True-believers in what, Frank? Provide evidence for
your...oh, wait, that's right. You are supposed to be considered perfect
and infallable.
and it is not difficult to get them to
screech abuse and curses, if one dares topple their non-existent god.
Or if you lie and lob false accusations against them and never answer your
dishonesty and proven mistakes.
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23 Jun 2003 01:42:56 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"John Vogel" <jvogel2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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If you are the Christian i think you are, you do not lie.
Well, then I must not be the Christian you think I am. I do lie, though
I
try very hard not to lie, and when I do I am chastised for it, and
repent
of
my wrongdoing. I don't lie often, and I believe that honesty IS the best
policy, but (to be totally honest) I do transgress the law within me,
and
I
do lie occasionally. I am not proud of it, I am ashamed of it, but I am
not
perfect, and I sometimes submit to that temptation. Do you think this
makes
me less of a Christian, now?
Lying is telling deliberately, knowingly and maliciously an untruth,
and
I don't believe either you nor I do that. Though admittedly we may be in
error sometimes inadvertently, but never purposely. I see as little value
to
defend myself against Satan's sentries in these our pristine Christian
NGs,
as Christ did against accusations from Satan's minions out to kill Him.
Yes, brother, I know what lying is. I realize that both you and I have been
accused of lying when we were inadvertantly in error, but speaking for
myself, I have (in the past) deliberately and knowingly lied, as I said
above. The whole point is that we (as Christians) are not perfect, but when
we do something we know is wrong or when we do "transgress the law", we
repent, we stop doing that, and we grow in truth. Perhaps you are being
honest when you say "I do not lie" and I would say that is pretty true for
myself, except that I have lied in the past, and to say "I do not lie" would
not be completely true, as I *have* lied, and the ability (or propensity)
for lying is still in me, and Jesus Christ most definitly did defend himself
against his accusers during his ministry, time and time again. The only
time, I know of, where Jesus did not offer up a defense against accusations
was during his "trial", though he did say (in his defense) to Pilate:
Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have
delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done? Jesus answered, My kingdom is
not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants
fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not
from hence. Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus
answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this
cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth.
Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. Pilate saith unto him, What
is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and
saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all. (Joh 18:35-38 KJV)
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men,
apt
to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;
if
God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the
truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the
devil,
who are taken captive by him at his will. (2Ti 2:24-26)
There is a limit to that. Jesus was not particularly kind to Satan's
minions, the scribes and Pharisees nor evil spirits etc. I will correspond
with people about Christ, but not about them personally nor me, unless as
a
joke, and some of these atheist refuters are indeed funny and good for
comic
relief.
I'm sorry, Frank, and I don't mean to argue with you, but the above verse
doesn't say "there is a limit to this" it says "all men" and it doesn't
qualify this with any "unless they are".
Remember I used to be an atheist and well able to whip up true
believers
into a white hot frenzy. I only found out after my conversion, that
atheists
themselves are true-believers also, and it is not difficult to get them to
screech abuse and curses, if one dares topple their non-existent god.
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23 Jun 2003 01:48:12 PM |
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"John Vogel" <jvogel2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"John Vogel" <jvogel2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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If you are the Christian i think you are, you do not lie.
Well, then I must not be the Christian you think I am. I do lie,
though
I
try very hard not to lie, and when I do I am chastised for it, and
repent
of
my wrongdoing. I don't lie often, and I believe that honesty IS the
best
policy, but (to be totally honest) I do transgress the law within me,
and
I
do lie occasionally. I am not proud of it, I am ashamed of it, but I
am
not
perfect, and I sometimes submit to that temptation. Do you think this
makes
me less of a Christian, now?
Lying is telling deliberately, knowingly and maliciously an untruth,
and
I don't believe either you nor I do that. Though admittedly we may be in
error sometimes inadvertently, but never purposely. I see as little
value
to
defend myself against Satan's sentries in these our pristine Christian
NGs,
as Christ did against accusations from Satan's minions out to kill Him.
Yes, brother, I know what lying is. I realize that both you and I have
been
accused of lying when we were inadvertantly in error, but speaking for
myself, I have (in the past) deliberately and knowingly lied, as I said
above. The whole point is that we (as Christians) are not perfect, but
when
we do something we know is wrong or when we do "transgress the law", we
repent, we stop doing that, and we grow in truth. Perhaps you are being
honest when you say "I do not lie" and I would say that is pretty true for
myself, except that I have lied in the past, and to say "I do not lie"
would
not be completely true, as I *have* lied, and the ability (or propensity)
for lying is still in me, and Jesus Christ most definitly did defend
himself
against his accusers during his ministry, time and time again. The only
time, I know of, where Jesus did not offer up a defense against
accusations
was during his "trial", though he did say (in his defense) to Pilate:
Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have
delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done? Jesus answered, My kingdom is
not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my
servants
fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom
not
from hence. Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus
answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for
this
cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth.
Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. Pilate saith unto him,
What
is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and
saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all. (Joh 18:35-38 KJV)
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all
men,
apt
to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose
themselves;
if
God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the
truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the
devil,
who are taken captive by him at his will. (2Ti 2:24-26)
There is a limit to that. Jesus was not particularly kind to Satan's
minions, the scribes and Pharisees nor evil spirits etc. I will
correspond
with people about Christ, but not about them personally nor me, unless
as
a
joke, and some of these atheist refuters are indeed funny and good for
comic
relief.
I'm sorry, Frank, and I don't mean to argue with you, but the above verse
doesn't say "there is a limit to this" it says "all men" and it doesn't
qualify this with any "unless they are"
I'm sorry, actually there is something right before this verse that speaks
of what you are saying:
2Ti 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do
engender strifes.
So, I may (yet again) be in error when I say "it doesn't qualify this"...
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22 Jun 2003 10:00:59 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"John Vogel" <jvogel2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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Sure John, but this post did not, and I need to see it to
understand
what you mean and how this could have happened, and also how to
prevent
it. Either that or explain what you want me to do exactly to prevent
it.
Looking back on this message, it looks like I was in error. Perhaps I
was
mistaken about the other one. Sorry bout the misunderstanding. It just
looked like someone else had written what you were replying to, and my
name
was at the top, but perhaps I had replied to someone else, and you were
replying to him and I, or something, I don't know. Don't worry bout it,
forget I said anything ;)
Of course you realize, that one of the favourite atheist methods of
flaming a Christian poster is to accuse him of lying. There is nothing
personal about this, it's just another method Satan employs to STOP
Christian witness. Don't let his minions stop you John, just laugh at
him,
singing the hymn: "We are glad when the devil's mad", and keep on
praising
your God through Jesus Christ. If you are effective in witnessing for
Christ, you have to expect some people to hate you, John. See below
Actually, most of the time I have been accused of lying by the flaming
atheists they were pretty much correct in their accusations.
If you are the Christian i think you are, you do not lie.
Well, then I must not be the Christian you think I am. I do lie, though I
try very hard not to lie, and when I do I am chastised for it, and repent of
my wrongdoing. I don't lie often, and I believe that honesty IS the best
policy, but (to be totally honest) I do transgress the law within me, and I
do lie occasionally. I am not proud of it, I am ashamed of it, but I am not
perfect, and I sometimes submit to that temptation. Do you think this makes
me less of a Christian, now?
I've been
caught in a couple lies, to be sure, or (as I like to tell myself) a bit
of
stretching of the truth. However, I've also been accused of "lying" when
I
was simply mistaken about soemthing. I noticed that Keeenan has
apparantly
done this to you, in his accusations. I think the worst "evidence" he
has
against you, is that you don't admit to your mistakes, and become angry
when
confronted with them. This is something I believe you might need to work
on,
but then I don't know you that well, and all I have to go on is the
posts
provided by your enemy.
If you want to believe posts of enemies, that is your choice. But I
can
assure you I do NOT lie, for i only write, what the Holy Spirit of Christ
tells me to write. I may interterpret differently than you, but that is
not
a lie, and I do not need to appologise for it.
I don't have to believe any posts of your enemies, Frank. I have your own
posts to go by. Should I not believe your own words? Did your enemies
concoct these posts under your name to discredit you? If that's the case,
then I apologize for believing you have shortcomings. There is always that
chance that I might be wrong, that your
posts which show you to be arrogant and presumptious are not really from
you, but were planted by your enemies.
I was an atheist most of my life and I am well aquainted with the
methods used to SILENCE Christians. I would jump on Christians with both
feet for mispelling a word, let alone make them admit to incompetence and
lies. I silenced a lot of Christians in my atheist days, and was proud of
it. That is why so few Christians are posting their beliefs anymore in
their
own Christian NGs, for our NGs are dominated by atheists. These are the
centries of Satan and their only purpose is to get you to STOP posting
Christ, and they use any and all methods to achieve that purpose. Some
even
go on to post calumnies and blasphemies in your name. As you must have
noticed they are quite benign otherwise.
Yes, I also know the tools of the anti-christ, or "satans minions", as you
call them. I don't mean to speak against you, but to show that while I see
(and I could be wrong) pride, and some arrogance (in your past posts), I
don't really see you lying or purposely deceiving (which is of satan and not
of Christ). I believe (as I have said before) that you are a Christian, and
that you love Jesus Christ, but that you are not perfect (even as I am not
perfect) and that it is good to correct those things in our brothers and
sisters which prevent them from being an effective witness to the Word of
God.
I am posting personal stuff to you only because I fear for a brother
in
Christ, giving too much credence to Satan's minions, and allowing himself
to
be distracted from his purpose of advocating Christ. Since accepting
Christ
into my life, I would much rather post Christ and His glorious
perfections,
than post in regards to the shorcomings of man..
God bless you too, and keep you in our Lord Jesus Christ.
We all have shortcomings, Frank. Admitting to those shortcomings does not
weaken ones testimony, IMHO, but can be useful for showing others that we
need not be perfect to accept Jesus Christ, or to be a Christian, but we
should always strive for that perfection. I love Jesus Christ and will
continue to teach His Word as it has been given to me, and part of this is
by helping others (my brothers as well as those that oppose me) to
understand where they are weak, allowing them to overcome their weaknesses
(by faith in Christ Jesus), for the glory of God and the gospel of His
Salvation. It's not enough to tell others what the scriptures say, but our
words are our witnesses, and if we are puffed up (eq. prideful), using rough
and unkind, impatient and unwilling to teach in love, then we are not doing
as we should, we are not being good servants of the Lord. I just pray that
you don't consider ME an enemy, if I have said anything you believe
unwarranted. I can be mistaken, and I do consider you a brother in Christ,
as I hope you consider me as well. I appreciate your instruction and
correction, and I don't just discount anything you say to me OR anything
THEY say to me, I examine it for truth, and I take the truth and use it to
build myself, to undertand my own shortcomings, and by the power of Jesus
Christ, to overcome those shortcomings, in order to be a good servant.
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt
to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if
God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the
truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil,
who are taken captive by him at his will. (2Ti 2:24-26)
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In talk.atheism Pastor Frank <pf@christfirst.com> wrote:
If you want to believe posts of enemies, that is your choice. But I can
assure you I do NOT lie, for i only write, what the Holy Spirit of Christ
tells me to write. I may interterpret differently than you, but that is not
a lie, and I do not need to appologise for it.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! "I do not lie." Damned, that was
funny, Pester *****. You SHOULD quit your day job and become a comedian.
--
Mike atheism: a non-prophet organization...
Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you
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23 Jun 2003 01:20:56 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:3ef602cb_3@news.iglou.com...
prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com writes:
In talk.atheism Pastor Frank <pf@christfirst.com> wrote:
If you want to believe posts of enemies, that is your choice. But I
can
assure you I do NOT lie, for i only write, what the Holy Spirit of
Christ
tells me to write. I may interterpret differently than you, but that is
not
a lie, and I do not need to appologise for it.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! "I do not lie." Damned, that was
funny, Pester *****. You SHOULD quit your day job and become a comedian.
Given that I've documented him lying about my words in the past, his claim
that he "does not lie" is itself a demonstratable lie.
Lying again for atheism prabbit and Keenan?
I'm not lying. As I said before:
I once wrote
"I've already proven you wrong, Frank. You claimed that the term
"Christian Scientist" is used to describe members of the Church of Christ
Scientist only by atheists in an attempt to disparage non-sect members who
happen to be both scientists and Christians." (http://tinyurl.com/eyxb)
He turned it into
" I've already proven you wrong, Frank. You claimed that the term
"Christian Scientist" is used to describe members of the Church of
Christ". (http://tinyurl.com/eyx5)
(I note that you snipped that out, apparently because it was very damaging
to your credibility. I've thoughtfully put it back in, so that people can
once again sample your overt dishonesty).
C'mon, Frank. If what I say is a lie, then surely you can point out the
error in my documentation above. You won't, however. You'll just
dishonestly snip it again or you'll ignore the issue entirely, as usual.
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See the documented lies of Pastor Frank: http://tinyurl.com/6009
Saddam's name coded in a famous and old book: http://tinyurl.com/6mr4
Back To The Future DVD Warning: http://tinyurl.com/6007
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23 Jun 2003 10:14:15 PM |
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<piggybacking>
In talk.atheism Keenan Clay Wilkie <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:3ef602cb_3@news.iglou.com...
prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com writes:
In talk.atheism Pastor Frank <pf@christfirst.com> wrote:
If you want to believe posts of enemies, that is your choice. But I
can
assure you I do NOT lie, for i only write, what the Holy Spirit of
Christ
tells me to write. I may interterpret differently than you, but that is
not
a lie, and I do not need to appologise for it.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! "I do not lie." Damned, that was
funny, Pester *****. You SHOULD quit your day job and become a comedian.
Given that I've documented him lying about my words in the past, his claim
that he "does not lie" is itself a demonstratable lie.
Lying again for atheism prabbit and Keenan?
Not at all, Pester *****. Find any statement I made above and try to show how
it's a lie. It WAS funny and thus you SHOULD become a comedian. And the fact
that you said "again" when you have yet to show me in ANY lie shows how much
you do lie.
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Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.
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22 Jun 2003 02:26:03 PM |
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writes:
In talk.atheism Pastor Frank <pf@christfirst.com> wrote:
If you want to believe posts of enemies, that is your choice. But I can
assure you I do NOT lie, for i only write, what the Holy Spirit of Christ
tells me to write. I may interterpret differently than you, but that is not
a lie, and I do not need to appologise for it.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! "I do not lie." Damned, that was
funny, Pester *****. You SHOULD quit your day job and become a comedian.
Given that I've documented him lying about my words in the past, his claim
that he "does not lie" is itself a demonstratable lie.
I once wrote
"I've already proven you wrong, Frank. You claimed that the term
"Christian Scientist" is used to describe members of the Church of Christ
Scientist only by atheists in an attempt to disparage non-sect members who
happen to be both scientists and Christians." (http://tinyurl.com/eyxb)
He turned it into
" I've already proven you wrong, Frank. You claimed that the term
"Christian Scientist" is used to describe members of the Church of
Christ". (http://tinyurl.com/eyx5)
And then pretended that it was all that I wrote, deliberately lying about
the meaning of my statement because he knew that my real words proved that
he'd made a fool of himself earlier.
Frank is, therefore, a documented liar.
--
See the documented lies of Pastor Frank: http://tinyurl.com/6009
Saddam's name coded in a famous and old book: http://tinyurl.com/6mr4
Back To The Future DVD Warning: http://tinyurl.com/6007
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23 Jun 2003 08:27:41 AM |
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"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:3ef602cb_3@news.iglou.com...
prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com writes:
In talk.atheism Pastor Frank <pf@christfirst.com> wrote:
If you want to believe posts of enemies, that is your choice. But I
can
assure you I do NOT lie, for i only write, what the Holy Spirit of
Christ
tells me to write. I may interterpret differently than you, but that is
not
a lie, and I do not need to appologise for it.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! "I do not lie." Damned, that was
funny, Pester *****. You SHOULD quit your day job and become a comedian.
Given that I've documented him lying about my words in the past, his claim
that he "does not lie" is itself a demonstratable lie.
Lying again for atheism prabbit and Keenan? You sure make a pair. LOL
Glad to have you around for comic relief.
--
Pastor Frank
THE MINIONS OF SATAN
Jesus in John 8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in
the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he
speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Mt:6:21: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Mt:12:34: O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things?
for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mt:12:35: A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth
good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil
things.
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23 Jun 2003 10:33:02 PM |
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In talk.atheism Pastor Frank <pf@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:3ef602cb_3@news.iglou.com...
prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com writes:
In talk.atheism Pastor Frank <pf@christfirst.com> wrote:
If you want to believe posts of enemies, that is your choice. But I
can
assure you I do NOT lie, for i only write, what the Holy Spirit of
Christ
tells me to write. I may interterpret differently than you, but that is
not
a lie, and I do not need to appologise for it.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! "I do not lie." Damned, that was
funny, Pester *****. You SHOULD quit your day job and become a comedian.
Given that I've documented him lying about my words in the past, his claim
that he "does not lie" is itself a demonstratable lie.
Lying again for atheism prabbit and Keenan? You sure make a pair. LOL
Glad to have you around for comic relief.
I made the following statements above:
1: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Just an expression of laughter. Can hardly be a lie since it didn't say
anything.
2: "I do not lie."
Quote of yours. So if that's a lie, it's your lie.
3: Damned, that was funny, Pester *****.
A statement that something was funny. Since "funny" is a subjective term,
you can't say it was not funny for me.
4: You SHOULD quit your day job and become a comedian.
An statement of opinion. Opinions can never be lies (unless I stated that my
opinion was something other than what it really is. But there's no evidence
of that here.)
Ok, so out of 4 statements, none that were original to me are lies. But yet
Pester ***** said (or insinuated) that I was lying (and had done so in the
past, even though he's never documented any such thing.) So it looks like
the lier here is none other than your's truely: Pester *****.
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Mike atheism: a non-prophet organization...
Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you
do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.
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"If money is the root of all evil, then why does the church always want it??"
WWJD=What Would Jesus Drive? ("He drove them out in his Fury")
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23 Jun 2003 10:33:56 PM |
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In talk.atheism Pastor Frank <pf@christfirst.com> wrote:
<prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote in message
news:IUjJa.13930$bH3.2018@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com...
In talk.atheism Pastor Frank <pf@christfirst.com> wrote:
If you want to believe posts of enemies, that is your choice. But I
can
assure you I do NOT lie, for i only write, what the Holy Spirit of
Christ
tells me to write. I may interterpret differently than you, but that is
not
a lie, and I do not need to appologise for it.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! "I do not lie." Damned, that was
funny, Pester *****. You SHOULD quit your day job and become a comedian.
Thanks for proving my point. LOL
The only point of yours that's ever been proven is the one on your head.
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Pastor Frank
THE MINIONS OF SATAN
Jesus in John 8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in
the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he
speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Mt:6:21: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Mt:12:34: O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things?
for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mt:12:35: A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth
good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil
things.
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Mike atheism: a non-prophet organization...
Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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http://truthordare.dyndns.org/t-or-d
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Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you
do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.
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"If money is the root of all evil, then why does the church always want it??"
WWJD=What Would Jesus Drive? ("He drove them out in his Fury")
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