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Topic: Religions > Bible
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Date: 22 Jun 2003 10:22:22 AM
Object: Re: Why can't we see God if he exists?
In talk.atheism John Vogel <jvogel2000@hotmail.com> wrote:

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In talk.atheism MikeH <nospam@here.com> wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:27:29 GMT,

wrote:

In talk.atheism MikeH <nospam@here.com> wrote:

Moses saw God's glory, not the person of God. No man can see God &
live, (Ex.33:20) So, if Moses had seen God he would have died.


I'm sorry, but I don't see "glory" anywhere in "thou shalt see my back
parts." Also god said "Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no

man

see me, and live" and nowhere does that mention "see my glory." Try

again.


Sorry, what version of the Bible are you using?


Take your pick, none say "see my glory" in Ex 33:23. Maybe god's backside
isn't as glorious as his front side. Maybe he's hung like a mule but has a
huge pimple on his *****?

Exodus 33:23 :: New International Version (NIV)

<snip>
Did you happen to notice verse 22? It says "while my glory passeth by", if
you are seeing "the back parts" of God, and he says what is passing by is
"my glory" then what do you think it is referring to in verse 23 when it
says "thou shalt see my back parts"? Is it talking about a physical beings
back parts (or face) or is it talking about the fullness of the glory of god
compared to only a part of His glory? If you read it in context you will see
the glory...

Ok, let's break things down some here:
Exodus 33
18 Then Moses said, "Now show me your glory."
19 And the LORD said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you,
and I will proclaim my name, the LORD , in your presence. I will have mercy
on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have
compassion. 20 But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me
and live."
It says "no-one may see me and live" Says nothing about his glory or
anything else, it just says "see me"
21 Then the LORD said, "There is a place near me where you may stand on a
rock. 22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and
cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will remove my hand
and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen."
And here it says that Moses DID see him in some way ("you will see my
back.") If you're referring to some etherial thing like "glory" there is no
'front' or 'back'. Also how can something like 'glory' have hands? God
supposedly covered Moses with his hand, thus showing that he had a physical
body. The ONLY way around this is either that it's all made up or try the
"it's not literal" approach. But there's nothing that indicates it to be
figurative. It uses words like "face", "hand" and "back" in very literal
ways.
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User: "Pastor Frank"

Title: Re: Why can't we see God if he exists? -- NON-ANSWERS GALORE! 29 Jun 2003 05:55:28 PM
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message
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John Vogel wrote:

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In talk.atheism Pastor Frank <pf@christfirst.com> wrote:

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In talk.atheism John Vogel <jvogel2000@hotmail.com> wrote:


It IS figurative, not literal. God is Spirit and those who

worship

Him

must

worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. God is not a man, and he does

NOT

exist

in the physical form (though, to be sure, he could manifest

Himself

in

any

form he wished).


If it's so figurative and god has no form, then how could Moses see
ANYTHING? But if god DID manifest himself in human form, then Moses

DID

see

him and that contradicted the "none shall see me and live" part. Do

you

really

think these things through?

It is true, we cannot see God. That is why God came in the

flesh.

Though

we cannot see God, we CAN see God incarnate, i.e. our Lord Jesus

Christ.

Simple isn't it? Case solved!!!!!!


Maybe it's simple when you have a simple mind. Now how about trying to
answer the question that was actually asked.


The question was directed toward me and already answered. Frank is just
putting the period on it, so to speak, by showing how this relates to

Our

Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.


===>What a NON-ANSWER!
And it took TWO obfuscators to come up with it!
If you wish to redeem yourself for NOT answering the question, just
please tell us WHERE one can see that "God incarnate" you're referring

to????


Our Lord Jesus Christ resurrected in all our hearts and minds. We see
Him in anyone who acts in the manner of Christ.
In your case, you probably decided to ignore Him, and that's why you
can't see Him.
--
Pastor Frank
THE GOLDEN RULE
Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength:
this is the first commandment.
31: And the second is alike, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as
thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
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