"Steve Zodiac" <Steve@zodiac.com> wrote in message
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Since when can god be trusted? And since when did god exist? Can we

a

loving god to protect children from starvation? No. Can a loving god

ignore

his loved ones and still fulfil the definition of love? NO. Would it be
reasonable to assume there is no god? YES

God deals with the quality of attitudes and seeks to make us actively
"good" persons, who care about others.

Therefore God is indeed responsible
to motivate us to "protect children from starvation".

If God were to do that
without our participation, we would have no purpose in life, would not

to think or care, and would sink to the mental level of a maggot in no

at all.

Neither btw woiuld our attitude improve by God "forcing" us to look
after "starving chilren".

Should the born again christian Bush, love his terrorist enemies and

the other cheek?

Had Bush taken a balanced approach, by redressing Arab grievances,

pursuing those responsible for atrocities of all kinds, including Israeli
war-criminals, he would have removed all reason for hating the USA and
forged peace instead of war. But the Lord says He will put hooks into the
noses of His adversaries and lead them to destruction. So, as the conflict
in the Middle East escalates and spins out of control, Bush, if not all of
us will be the casualties.

--
Pastor Frank

THE MANDATE OF JESUS
Jesus in Lk:4:18: The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath
anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the
broken-hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of
sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised



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"Steve Zodiac" <Steve@zodiac.com> wrote in message
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So what? First of all, what should you care what "People" say,
when

you

have the Bible, being God's inerrant and holy Word to consult.

Regardless

what "people say", your listed options above are still "good

Philosophy".

The bible is BAD philosophy. Unless of course you an ancient
superstitious nomad that has no knowledge of how nature works and
interprets the world based on the nightmares he experiences from eating
too much moldy bread washed down with really bad wine.

Religion deals with ideals of behaviour, and without religion people
have little choice but to follow the dictates of their leaders

"Steve Zodiac" <Steve@zodiac.com> wrote in message
news:vobnhd1b3hf3e5@corp.supernews.com...

So what? First of all, what should you care what "People" say, when

you

have the Bible, being God's inerrant and holy Word to consult.

Regardless

what "people say", your listed options above are still "good

Philosophy".

The bible is BAD philosophy. Unless of course you an ancient superstitious
nomad that has no knowledge of how nature works and interprets the world
based on the nightmares he experiences from eating too much moldy bread
washed down with really bad wine.

Religion deals with ideals of behaviour, and without religion people
have little choice but to follow the dictates of their leaders, be they
devils or saints. Eichmann is not exhonorated for following Government
orders in rounding up Jews, commusnists, Gypsies, homosexuals and JWs etc.
etc. because "i was ordered to do so". A Christian will follow his ideals
rooted in Christ Jesus and refuse such orders, even if it cost him his or
her life or liberty. Governments and its courts very much dislike people
with divided loyalties and seek to eliminate them. That is why governments
and their courts support atheism.
--
Pastor Frank

"Steve Zodiac" <Steve@zodiac.com> wrote in message

The bible is BAD philosophy. Unless of course you
an ancient superstitious nomad that has no
knowledge of how nature works and interprets the
world based on the nightmares he experiences from
eating too much moldy bread washed down with
really bad wine.

Should the born again christian Bush, love his
terrorist enemies and turn the other cheek?

GEORGE W. BUSH: [You] no-good fucking sonovabitch. (1)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: We're gonna take this thing [the evangelicals] over...
(2)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: ***** [is what my father and I talk about]. (3)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: Go to hell... (4)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: There's Adam Clymer -- major league ***** -- from
the New York Times... (5)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: People communicate with God and reach God in different
ways. ...And I am mindful of what Billy Graham one time told me, for
me not to try to figure out...who gets to go to heaven. ...And when I
told you I'm a sinner -- you need to take that in the figurative
sense. (6)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: I joined Skull and Bones, a secret society, so secret
I can't say anything more. (7)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: ...four Gentile governors - one Methodist, two
Catholics, and a Mormon, and several Jewish-American friends...prayed
together, on bended knee...around an altar kneeling, one common Lord.
Faith changes lives. I know, because faith has changed mine. (8)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: ["Did I have any qualms, say, about joining an elite
secret club like Skull and Bones at Yale University?"] No qualms at
all. I was honored. ...["How do I demystify it a bit for those who
might think it's a cross between a Masonic Lodge and the Trilateral
Commission?"] Without revealing all the great secrets? ...Someone a
year ahead of me tapped me. There was an entry celebration. I can't
remember whether my dad showed up or not. (9)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: Throughout the world, people of all religions
recognize Jesus Christ as an example of love, compassion, sacrifice
and service. Reaching out to the poor, the suffering and the
marginalized, he provided moral leadership that continues to inspire
countless men, women and children today. (10)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: All Presidents of the United States have come to the
National Prayer Breakfast, regardless of their religious views. No
matter what our background, in prayer we share something universal --
a desire to speak and listen to our Maker, and to know His plan for
our lives. ...Men and women can be good without faith, but faith is a
force of goodness. Men and women can be compassionate without faith,
but faith often inspires compassion. Human beings can love without
faith, but faith is a great teacher of love. ...Faith is also
important to the civility of our country. It teaches us not merely to
tolerate one another, but to respect one another -- to show a regard
for different views and the courtesy to listen. This is essential to
democracy. It is also the proper way to treat human beings created
in the divine image. We'll have our disagreements. Civility does not
require us to abandon deeply-held beliefs. Civility does not demand
casual creeds and colorless convictions. Americans have always
believed that civility and firm resolve could live easily with one
another. But civility does mean that our public debate ought to be
free from bitterness and anger, rancor and ill-will. We have an
obligation to make our case, not to demonize our opponents. As the
Book of James reminds us, fresh water and salt water cannot flow from
the same spring. (11)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take
a while... [But] we will rid the world of the evil-doers. (12)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: I have told the nation more than once that...the
teachings of Islam are the teachings of peace and good. ...And I also
appreciate the prayers to the universal God. (13)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: I appreciate your [the Russians'] understanding there
is a universal and gracious God. (14)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: ...universal God...is important -- obviously,
important part of my life, but very important part of the life of our
country. (15)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: As more and more people go to their churches and
synagogues and mosques and hear that universal call to love a
neighbor, America's culture is changing. ...Out of the evil done to
this great land is going to come incredible good... (16)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: Islam is...a faith based upon love, not hate.
...Americans of all faiths will come together in a spirit of unity...
Everybody ought to worship the Almighty, however they choose. (17)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: I am pleased to join you today in the celebration of
Eid, the culmination of the Holy Month of Ramadan. ...Islam traces
its origins back to God's call on Abraham. And Ramadan commemorates
the revelation of God's word in the Holy Koran to the prophet
Mohammad... The spirit behind this holiday is a reminder that...Islam
affirms God's justice... Eid Mubarak. God bless. (18)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: The crew of the shuttle Columbia did not return safely
to Earth; yet we can pray that all are safely home. (19)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: F___ Saddam. We're taking him out. (20)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: America welcomes individuals of all backgrounds and
religions, and our citizens hold diverse beliefs. In prayer, we share
the universal desire to speak and listen to our Maker and to seek the
plans He has for our lives. ...In this hour of history's calling,
Americans are bowing humbly in churches, synagogues, temples, mosques,
and in their own homes, in the presence of the Almighty. ...Now,
therefore, I, George W. Bush, President of the United States of
America, do hereby proclaim May 1, 2003, as a National Day of Prayer.
I ask the citizens of our Nation to pray, each after his or her own
faith, in thanksgiving for the freedoms and blessings we have received
and for God's continued guidance and protection. (21)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: We are mindful as well that some good men and women
are not making the journey home. ...Every name, every life is a loss
to our military, to our nation and to the loved ones who grieve.
There is no homecoming for these families. Yet we pray in God's time
their reunion will come. (22)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush

GEORGE W. BUSH: God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them,
and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did,
and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If
you [Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas] help me I will act, and
if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them. (23)

STEVE ZODIAC: born again christian [is] Bush



S O U R C E S

(1) George W. Bush in April 1986, addressing Al Hunt of the Wall
Street Journal, quoted in Jake Tapper, "God Is Their CoPilot: Both
Born-Again, Bush and Gore Have Made This the Most God-Fearing
Presidential Race in 100 Years. But Their Faiths Have Led these Men in
Two Completely Different Directions," SALON, 07 July 2000,
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/07/07/born_again/.

(2) George W. Bush in March 1987 quoted by Doug Wead, cited in Hanna
Rosin, "Applying Personal Faith to Public Policy: 'Changed Man'
Advocates Church-Based Programs," WASHINGTON POST, 24 July 2000,

"[George W. Bush's] father, then running for president, was under
attack by what inside the campaign they called 'the aliens' --
evangelical Republicans flocking to the candidacy of Pat Robertson.
Bush arrived in Washington in March 1987 and was put in charge of
'coalitions,' the campaign code word for evangelicals. 'He came in
and said, "We're gonna take this thing over,"' recalls Doug Wead, a
campaign aide with ties to the evangelicals and Bush's partner in the
venture."

(3) George W. Bush in response to a Hartford [Connecticut] Courant
reporter who asked what Bush and his father talked about when they
weren't discussing politics at the 1988 Republican convention, quoted
in Jake Tapper, op. cit.

(4) Texas Governor George W. Bush in 1998, right before leaving for a
trip to Israel, in response to an Austin American-Statesman reporter
who asked Bush what he would say to the Israelis upon arrival, quoted
in Jake Tapper, op. cit.

(5) Texas Governor George W. Bush, quoted in Jake Tapper, "A 'Major
League *****': In an Embarrassing Gaffe, George W. Bush Insults a
New York Times Reporter," SALON, 04 September 2000,
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/09/04/cuss_word/.

(6) Texas Governor George W. Bush, "George W. Bush: Running on His
Faith," US NEWS ONLINE, 1999,
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/33/story_3345_1.html.

(7) Texas Governor George W. Bush, A CHARGE TO KEEP, ed. Mickey
Herskowitz, Morrow,William & Co., November 1999.

(8) Ibid.

(9) Texas Governor George W. Bush interviewed in Walter Isaacson, "My
Heritage Is Part of Who I Am," TIME, 30 July 2000,
http://www.time.com/time/campaign2000/story/textframe_bushinterview1.html
and

(10) Texas Governor George W. Bush, quoted in Laurie Goodstein,
"Bush's 'Jesus Day' Is Called a First Amendment Violation," NEW YORK
TIMES, 06 August 2000, http://www.beth-am.org/index2.cfm?page=362.

(11) US President George W. Bush, "Remarks by the President at
National Prayer Breakfast, Washington Hilton Hotel, Washington. D.C.,"
Office of the Press Secretary, 01 February 2001,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/02/20010201.html.

(12) US President George W. Bush quoted in John F. Harris, "Bush Gets
More International Support For U.S. Campaign Against Terrorism:
Officials Warn New Attacks Are Possible," WASHINGTON POST, 17
September 2001, page A01,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41157/2001Sep16.html.

(13) US President George W. Bush, "Text: Bush Welcomes Muslim
Americans to White House," 26 September 2001,

(14) US President George W. Bush, "Remarks by the President to
Community and Religious Leaders, Spaso House, Moscow, Russia," Office
of the Press Secretary, 24 May 2002,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/05/20020524-12.html.

(15) US President George W. Bush, "President Bush, President Putin
Discuss Joint Efforts against Terrorism: Remarks by President Bush and
Russian President Putin in Photo Opportunity - Calgary, Kananaskis,
Canada," Office of the Press Secretary, 27 June 2002,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020627-3.html.

(16) US President George W. Bush, "President Talks Homeland/Economic
Security at Mt. Rushmore: Remarks by the President on Homeland
Security and the Budget," Mount Rushmore, South Dakota, Office of the
Press Secretary, 15 August 2002,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/08/20020815.html.

(17) US President George W. Bush, "President Bush Holds Roundtable
with Arab- and Muslim-American Leaders, Embassy at Afghanistan,
Washington, D.C.," Office of the Press Secretary, 10 September 2002,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020910-7.html.

(18) US President George W. Bush, "President Commemorates Eid al-Fitr:
Remarks by the President on Eid Al-Fitr, The Islamic Center of
Washington, D.C., Washington, D.C.," Office of the Press Secretary, 05
December 2002,

(19) US President George W. Bush, "President Addresses Nation on Space
Shuttle Columbia Tragedy: Remarks by the President on the Loss of
Space Shuttle Columbia, The Cabinet Room, 01 February 2003,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/02/20030201-2.html.

(20) US President George W. Bush at the White House in March 2002,
quoted in Michael Elliott and James Carney, "First Stop, Iraq: How Did
the U.S. End up Taking on Saddam? The Inside Story of How Iraq Jumped
to the Top of Bush's Agenda -- and Why the Outcome There May
Foreshadow a Different World Order," TIME, 23 March 2003,
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101030331/wroad.html.

(21) US President George W. Bush, "National Day of Prayer, 2003, by
the President of the United States of America: A Proclamation," Office
of the Press Secretary, 30 April 2003,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/04/20030430-22.html.

(22) US President George W. Bush, "Full Text: Bush Speech Aboard the
USS Abraham Lincoln," 01 May 2003,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2627-2003May1.html.

(23) US President George W. Bush, quoted by Palestinian Prime Minister
Mahmoud Abbas, in Arnon Regular, "'Road Map Is a Life Saver for Us,'
PM Abbas Tells Hamas," HAARETZ, 25 June 2003,

Also cf. Chris Floyd, "Errand Boy," MOSCOW TIMES, 27 June 2003,
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2003/06/27/120.html.


One with you (if) in Christ,

HP Opus
http://fellow-servants-of-christ.0catch.com

LOL The whole atheist argument is based upon the fact, that most

of the world follow the principle Christ extolls: I.e. the Golden Rule,
without knowing Him OR the Bible.

The only difference is, that Christ
DEMONSTRATES that principle to us, whereas others need to interpret that
principle likely according to popular opinion, AKA fashion.

The Bible was written by men in the inspiration of God. God did not
actually write the Bible, He inspired it. See below.