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User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"
Date: 27 Feb 2005 01:46:49 PM
Object: Re: Works and Judgement
Yeah, he glued himself to my threads too, I believe he is accusing you, as
he did me, of being possessed.
"K.C." <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1108495493.511439.316030@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
What does any of your posts have to do with my thread?
Visscher wrote:

POSSESSION:

The following are symptoms of possession as represented in the Roman

Ritual

of Exorcism. In most cases, a victim will have one or more of the

traits

listed. Not all of these symptoms must be present to indicate

possession and

it is quite possible that none of these symptoms will be present.

Victim speaks or understands unknown languages without ever

studying the

language being spoken or heard

Victim clearly knows things that are distant or hidden

Victim can predict future events (sometimes through dreams)

Victim has an intense hatred for holy things

Victim shows a physical strength far above his age or normal

condition


Most victims are under medical care for mental illness before it is

even

discovered that they are possessed. The doctor prescribes a variety

of

medicines and would be cures only to find that the victim does not

respond

to any of them. Victims are not limited to a definite age group.

Victims can

be days old and be possessed (see Cursed from the womb). Once such

case

involved a 13 month old infant. When the exorcist placed a medal of

St.

Benedict on the infant, the baby responded with much agitation. The

baby,

who was laying on his stomach, turned his head and said annoyed,

"Andate,

marchate!" ("Leave me, get out of here!") The exorcist, as well as

the

parents of the child were amazed, for the infant had not yet learned

to

speak!



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THE EXTRAORDINARY ACTIVITIES OF SATAN DEFINED

The following is taken from Fr. Gabriele Amorth's second book "An

Exorcist

More Stories." Fr. Amorth's book is published by IGNATIUS released in

2002.



EXTERNAL PAIN - deals strictly with physical suffering. This includes

the

beatings, scourging, and injuries caused by inexplicable pushing,

falling

objects, and so on, that we read about in the lives of many saints,

such as

the Curé of Ars. Saint Paul of the Cross, and Padre Pio. These

occurrences

are not as rare as we may think, and the demon's activity is usually
confined to external activity; internal activity, if any, is only

temporary

and limited to the duration of a particular disturbance.

DIABOLIC POSSESSION - is the gravest form of demonic activity, which

allows

a continuing presence of a demon in a human body. The evil symptoms

do not

have to be continuous but can alternate between periods of crisis and
periods of rest. Possession implies intervals of temporary suspension

of

mental, intellectual, affective, and volitive faculties. Symptoms can
include the knowledge of languages unknown to the victim, superhuman
strength, and the ability to know the occult or someone else's

thoughts.

Typically, there is an aversion to anything sacred, often in

conjunction

with blasphemy. There are also frauds who pose as demoniacs;

therefore, we

need to be extremely wary.

DIABOLIC OPPRESSION - is a ransom discomfort. We must remember that

symptoms

and gravity differ greatly case by case. This oppression can strike

health,

job, affections, relationship with others, and so on. Its symptoms

include

unexplainable rages and a tendency to complete isolation. Oppression

can

affect both individual and groups (even very large groups).

DIABOLIC OBSESSION - causes an almost split personality. Our will

remains

free, but it is oppressed by obsessive thoughts. The victim

experiences

thoughts that may be rationally absurd but of such a nature that he

is

unable to free himself. The obsessed person lives in a perpetual

state of

prostration, with persistent temptations to suicide. We must be aware

that

the temptation to commit suicide is also present in diabolic

possession and

diabolic oppression.

DIABOLIC INFESTATION - In this case, the malefic activity is directed

toward

places (houses, offices, stores, fields), objects (cars, pillows,
mattresses, dolls) and animals, therefore it only indirectly affects

man.

Origen tells us that the early Christians resorted to exorcisms in

these

situations.

DIABOLIC SUBJUGATION - The term indicates a voluntary pact--implicit

or

explicit---with Satan, by which we submit to the lordship of the

demon.

There are also involuntary times with the evil one; these cases fall

into

the preceding categories, especially the most severe: possession.

Fr. Amorth explains in the signs above that the boundaries between

one

category and another are not clear-cut, because there is a lot of

mingling

and compounding of symptoms.

Below, Fr. Amorth explains that there are four principal causes that

may

cause one to fall victim to these evils.

(1) PURE DIVINE PERMISSION

Clearly, nothing happens without divine permission, but God never

wills

evil, suffering, or temptation. He gave us freedom and allows the

existence

of evil, but knows how to turn it into good. When he gives the demon

his

permission to torment us, he does so to strengthen us in virtue, as

in the

biblical example of Job, as well as of many blesseds and saints. We

must

keep in mind that diabolical harassment in itself has nothing to do

with the

state of grace of its victims.

(2) SUBJECTION TO A CURSE

Here, too, the victim is innocent, but there is culpability on the

part of

whoever casts and/or commissions the curse. By the word curse, I mean

the

intention of harming others through demonic intervention. This can be
achieved in many ways: malefice (or spell), binding, evil eye,

malediction,

and so on. The matter is serious, but we need to be on guard against
misconceptions. By their nature, curses lend themselves to all sorts

of

abuses, especially when we consider the current escalation in the

number of

frauds, suggestions, manias, and more.

(3) GRAVE HARDENING IN SIN

Judas Iscariot is the classical Gospel example. The many

individuals who

abandon themselves to sexual perversions, violence, and drugs fall

into this

group. The heinous crime of abortion aggravates this situation; its

terrible

repercussions are clearly seen during exorcisms, because to liberate

a

victim who is guilty of abortion usually requires a very long period

of

time. Due to the current devastation of the family and the laxity of

morals,

the repercussions that stem from the scourge of abortion are much

more

common than in the past. When we take all these factors into account,

we can

understand why the number of individuals stricken by evil ailments

has

multiplied.

(4) PROXIMITY TO EVIL PLACES OR PERSONS.

This includes attending spiritualistic session, dabbling in magic,

or

consulting magicians, witch doctors, and some card readers; also,

practicing

the occult, belonging to satanic sects, or practicing in rites that

climax

with black masses, and so on, put us at great risk.

To this category we can add the influence of mass media, such as
pornographic shows and violent horror movies broadcast by many TV

stations.

We witness the effects of the widespread presence of rock music,

culminating

in satanic rock performed in what we could easily refer to as

"churches or

rock", such as stadiums, parks, and discothèques. We should not be

surprised

that, today, there is an explosion of these activities: a decline in

faith

life is directly connected to an increase in superstitions. I will

not tire

or repeating that members of the clergy have done nothing to oppose,

or at

least warn against, all these evils, because they are completely

ignorant

even of what the Bible explicitly says on the subject. This forth

category

has greatly contributed to the increase in evil ailments in the last
decades, especially among the young. Taken from (An Exorcist More

Stories by

Fr. Gabriele Amorth, published by IGNATIUS PRESS).

SATANIC CULTS AND WITCHCRAFT

The occult is any practice that involves ceremonies, rituals, chants,

magic,

or activities that are obviously not God centered. These activities

or

rituals can change the course of nature, the the lives of those who

are

involved in such practices, and of course, the innocent victims.

It used to be that the Ouija board was the most popular occult board

game,

now we have a recruiting tool for Satan--Dungeons and Dragons.

Satan's main

target in this game is our youth. The most powerful and successful

players

are those who use magic. If you do not know how to use magic, the

Dungeons

Master Guide gives you everything you need to know to be successful

at the

game. The Master guide teaches new beginners, how to communicate with

the

dead, cast spells, and learning to chant. Sex, crime and violence are

also

prominent tools of the game. It is very difficult for an individual

to quit

once they are hooked. Those who have managed to break away from its
seductive powers admit that it ruled their life.

The use of magic revolves around evil spirits, psychic abilities and
contacting spirits. What is magic? As we know, magic is a power that

does

not involve God. It is a power that is derived from such things as

voodoo,

sorcery, primitive religions and Satanism. Most witches who use magic

swear

that they do not worship Satan but worship the gods and goddesses of

nature

(The gods and goddesses of nature are hardly Jesus Christ! Of course

they

worship Satan! Do not let someone who practices this occult tell you
otherwise!). Many of these individuals are unknown because they blend

in

quite well. They can be found attending church services in every
denomination and they practice their magic on the side.

Witches coexist in what is called a Coven. A Coven consists of 13

members,

all who must live in harmony with each other. The more harmonious

they live

together the greater their power and the power that flows through

them.

Their tools include crystals, divination, astrology, tarot cards,

crystal

balls, reincarnation, pendulums and séances. Most witches practice

white

magic because they want to use what they call the "good supernatural
powers." They practice white magic to benefit themselves and do not

really

intend to hurt anyone. Again, anything that uses "powers," "spells,"

ect, is

not God oriented but self-oriented and is condemned by God--including

white

magic!

An example of such powers, involved the exorcism of an 18 year old

teenager

who was taken to the exorcist by her mother. The teenager's problems

began

at age 12. She had dreams that accurately foretold the future. Her

dreams

would come true down to the last detail. She also began to have

horrible

nightmares. After much questioning by the exorcist, it was fond that

the

teenager was involved in Santeria and she frequently consulted a

medium. She

frequented bookstores that specialized in the occult sciences and

read many

books on Tarot cards and oracles from Egypt. During one of her

exorcisms,

the Exorcist questioned the demon's asking which of them were

present.

Amidst much screaming and weeping, the demon's stated "pain-sorrow,
witchcraft, white magic and spiritism." The name "Vincent" also was
mentioned. When her mother was questioned, it was found that

"Vincent" was

an occultist whom they consulted. Apparently, Vincent was trying very

hard

to bring this young woman under his power.

Moving on to black magic and Satanic Cults. Black magic is used to

harm

others. It involves the casting of spells and praying to Satan for

evil to

befall targeted individuals. Those members of Satanic Cults are very
familiar with black magic; it is part of their daily lives. There are

two

types of Satan worshipers, those who are born into the cult and those

who

are recruited. Most recruited members are young adults, who through

drugs

and alcohol are introduced into this practice. The black mass is for

those

who are serious members of this occult. The Satanists use the black

mass as

a mockery of the Catholic Mass. The high priest wears the same

garments as a

Bishop with an inverted cross. Sometimes they are able to steal a

sacred

host in order that it can be desecrated. The Lord's Prayer is said

backwards

and when the high priest begins to say, "this is my body," the

congregation

pairs off and they begin to perform sexual acts. At the height of the

mass,

the consecration, a sexual act is performed on the main altar by the

high

priest. The black mass is one big orgy. Satanist also mock the

liturgical

feast days of the Catholic Church with a black mass. The eve of All

Saints

Day (Halloween) is a good example.

DAILY LIFE OF THE POSSESSED

In the majority of cases, the possessed individual appears to be

"normal."

The possessed can attend church services, work, raise a family and
participate in other activities as well. The possessed victim goes

through

cycles more or less. The possessed may be fine and function normally

for

months on end until something triggers an attack. Many times this

attack is

attributed to a religious holiday or event.

Personality changes are one of the most significant outward signs.

This

happens when the spirits inside of the victim take control. The

victim

becomes "on edge" filled with anxiety, anger, and hatred of all

things. The

hatred extends to friends and loved ones. The victims' behavior is
irrational or strange. The victim feels a loss of identity and cannot
distinguish who they are or what they have become. No longer can the

victim

communicate with others as previously. It is much better in the

victim's

mind, to hide away from everyone. The victim feels that no one

understands

them. They feel all alone, almost as if in a different plane of

awareness

that no one else has access. Sometimes internal voices urge the

victim to do

things that is against their nature. It comes to the point where it

is

impossible for the victim to discern if the action or thought is

originating

from their own being or from the demons inside. A feeling of insanity
tortures the victim and hopelessness is the only life they know. They

become

puppets of the evil one.

Personal appearance, dress, house chores, bills that need paid, and

life in

general are of no concern to the victim. The victim views their own

life as

an unproductive waste and death is welcomed. The victim can find no

reason

for existing. No longer is the victim able to see good in themselves;

even

though they want to be good, they feel damned. Every moment of

torment, of

being damned, is like an eternity for the victim. Will it ever end?

No one

can comfort this poor soul, and heaven forgive those who add

unnecessary

torment to this soul when in such a state. There is no way to

describe this

torment unless it is experienced.

Sometimes the victim will be totally taken over and will not remember

what

happened during the day. In church, the victim intends to pray, and

without

knowing, begins to scream obscenities or make strange inhuman cries,

growls

or moans. When told of such behavior, the victim cannot believe such

a thing

could have taken place, for they do not remember.

Not all possessed individuals will react in this manner. Some may

find that

every time they go to church they are nauseated, filled with fear,

anxiety,

even suffocation, they find it hard to breathe, and their mind

wanders. When

they take communion, their mouth and throat burn as the sacred host

is

consumed. Sometimes they do not even remember being in church, and

cannot

account for this time.

Symptoms of possession vary, but again, having these symptoms does

not

indicate possession, these symptoms were simply relayed from one who

is

possessed. Not all cases are the same.

CURSED FROM THE MOTHERS WOMB

Babies who are unwanted by their parents (for whatever reason) are in
actuality, cursed by their parents while in the womb. It has been

noted in

many exorcism cases, that demons freely state they entered the child

during

gestation due to a curse placed on the child by a parent or relative.

When

prompted by the exorcist, the demon even goes as far as to give the

exact

month of gestation, time and reason for possessing this innocent

victim (see

Parents do not necessarily have to be the only culprit for cursing

the

unborn, anyone can curse a child in the womb and achieve the same

results.

One might ask, "How could God allow this? How could this be fair to

the

innocent child?" Some of these innocent victims become an instrument

of God

as a victim soul. God makes good out of evil. But why can't God stop

this

evil from happening? Because God has given all of us free will. We

are free

to kill, to love, to hate, to do whatever we please, but we will one

day pay

the consequences for such actions. In the mean time, God does not

abandon

the creature that was cursed. If anything, God's love and grace are
overabundant in this poor soul. The curse placed upon the innocent at

birth,

can in some instances be their ticket to sanctity. How can a curse be

a

ticket to sanctity? Suffering. The suffering of the possessed is as

if one

is experiencing the actual depths of Hell. The possessed, actually
experience what the demon experiences. Comfort cannot be found

anywhere for

the possessed. They search and search but nothing whatsoever will

sooth the

agony of their soul; desperation, hopelessness, sorrow, depression,

etc. The

only escape for most is suicide. However, if such a person takes this
suffering and offers it up in atonement for the sins of others, in

imitation

of Our Lord, Satan is defeated and souls are saved.

PURIFICATION BY GOD

There are many cases of saints that God permitted to become possessed

by

evil spirits for their own purification. As stated in the book AN

EXORCIST

TELLS HIS STORY, some of the modern saints beatified by Pope John

Paul II

include: Father Giovanni Calabria and Sister Mary of Jesus Crucified.
Without fault of their own, both saints were subjected to authentic

satanic

possession. The devil acted through their bodies, and they did and

said

things totally opposite of the holiness representing their normal

character.


There are many innocent souls who suffer the humiliation of

possession as

victim souls for others. In some instances they can no longer attend

mass,

and are unable to pray. They experience much suffering in spirit.

They are

filled with hopelessness, despair, anxiety, and suicide, etc. But

worst of

all, is the feeling of abandonment by God--the dark night of the

soul. The

God who once filled their very being with an abundance of love and
understanding, has shut the door and become ignorant to their pleas.

The

soul of the possessed yearns and craves for this love that has

vanished and

becomes heartbroken beyond words. The power in this type of

suffering, when

offered up to the Lord, is unlike any other.

OUIJA BOARD AND FORTUNE TELLING

Do you want to become possessed fast? Use the Ouija board! The Ouija

board

is one of the easiest and quickest ways to become possessed. (NOTE:

When the

prayers of exorcism are said over the Ouija board it will not work

again.).

When the Ouija board is used, a supernatural question is expected--a
question obviously not from God. Involvement in such practices

indicates

that an individual does not trust God for answers and thus is sinning
against God. God gives us answers in many ways, through the Bible,

signs,

wonders, and by people we know and people we don't know. The most
significant way to find answers is in God's gift of the Holy

Spirit--our

guide. We must trust in what God has planned for us. He knows what is

best

for our souls. Fortune telling is on the same lines as the Ouija

board in

that we are not trusting in God and what he has planned for our soul.

There

are many people who claim to have the psychic gift of knowing the

future.

Some even claim to be devout Catholics. The question is, if psychic
abilities do come from God, as most psychic's claim, why does God

forbid

their use? Let us look at Lev. 19:31 "Do not go to mediums or consult
fortunetellers, for you will be defiled by them. I the Lord am your

God."


Fortune telling is a form of divination and God forbids it! The

following

are practices that are not God centered and must be avoided at all

costs:

Ouija boards, reading palms, card reading, crystal ball gazing, tea

leaf

readings, numerology, horoscopes, astrology, séances and haunted

houses,

white magic and black magic. Curiosity in any of these areas

mentioned is

none other than a temptation from Satan. Too many people dabble in

such

practices for kicks and the result in most cases lead directly to

possession


DANGER SIGNS OF INVOLVEMENT IN THE OCCULT

The signs indicated below do not necessarily imply that an individual

is

involved in the occult. A combination of these signs along with a

dramatic

change in appearance (not typical the normal behavior or appearance

of the

individual) can be an indication that occult activity is present.

Danger signs of individuals involved in the occult:

Changes in personality--violence, yelling, rage; depression;

moodiness, low

self-esteem; secretive about new friends; self-mutilation; cruelty to
members of family, friends and animals; hostility to the Christian

faith;

involvement in rituals using dead animals



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Individuals who: use the following: occult board games (Dungeons and
Dragons, The Gathering, Ouija Boards.)


"K.C." <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1108477587.373377.324600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

I would love to tell you that God doesn't notice works. I used to
believe this. Then, I read this passage...

"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the

books

were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of

life:

and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in

the

books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which
were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in
them: and they were judged every man according to their works." -
Revelation 20:12-13

There is no wiggle room. "they were judged every man according to
their works." It said nothing about hearts. Thank God we have

Jesus

to cover our sins. We need it. Being a "good" person or having a
"good heart" doesn't change a single thing in that book, only the

blood

of Christ.

K.C.
http://www.providential-plan.com

K.C.
http://www.providential-plan.com
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